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Religion / Re: Exigesis Of Genesis Chapter 1 by okeyxyz(m): 3:17am On Aug 14, 2013
Uyi Iredia: Choi ! I'm gobsmacked ! Oh boy which gbana you dey smoke b'cos I must to see it ! What an insight ! This makes short work of frosbel. Umm. Obadiah which church you go ?

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Bros, make una no play with obadiah oo, him own madness no dey textbook. If frosbel try dis gbana, him no go recover, at all... grin grin
Religion / Re: Are Born-again Christians Generally Slothful In Business? by okeyxyz(m): 3:54pm On Aug 13, 2013
^^^ Your story is either a badly made-up one, or true and silly of you(the OP).

Why is it silly?? Well, you seem to be surrounded by inept and untrustworthy people people, yet you keep taking your business to them. You simply demonstrate your foolishness rather than their wickedness.

Then you ask another silly question: "Are all born-again's like this?? ", and this is after you have demonstrated to us all that you too are a born again, being part of the same fellowship and subject to the same church elders as these frauds. Shouldn't you be able to answer these questions yourself? being a member of the inner circle of fraudulent "born-again's"?? Or is this thread just your attempt at getting attention?
Religion / Re: The Mystery: Understanding Trinity! by okeyxyz(m): 3:25pm On Aug 11, 2013
mcfynest:


just a question. the early christians(paul in particular) didnt even say they are one. this theory started after the constantine meeting. Jesus christ is a god buh YHWH is the almighty. simple.
even john clarified his statement John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Again, you guys interpret scriptures improperly. "They are one" does not mean they are one entity; Rather, it means they agree on one principle, they operate on one principle, one mindset, one system, etc.
Religion / Re: The Mystery: Understanding Trinity! by okeyxyz(m): 10:00pm On Aug 10, 2013
Emusan:
But you said God is a mindset up.hhhmmm

Confusion!

God is a person and God is a spirit\mindset(this is the koko!!). This is not a contradiction, unless your mind is not matured enough to grasp this principle. It takes God the person to manifest god the Spirit. To briefly illustrate: A man who is gay, though he is biologically a male, but is s.exually oriented towards males, then he has the spirit/mindset of a woman. So to be a complete person, it's not enough to just exist; you have to also act your role. This acting your role is the spiritual aspect of existence. So God is a person and He is a spirit. No contradiction!!

You are now behaving(ie: you have the spirit of..) like @mcfynest by trying to place the person and the spirit in opposition to each other just because the words don't literally match. And like I said to @myfynest: "Don't live by the letter...."
Religion / Re: The Mystery: Understanding Trinity! by okeyxyz(m): 3:31pm On Aug 10, 2013
demola21: @okeyxyz if God is a mindset, thought nd words who then appeared to Abraham,Moses and the Children of Isreal on Mount Sinia. If God is an idea what about angels and demonic spirits are they ideas too?

God is a person but the only way to identify this God is to identify his spirit(his laws, mindset, value system). Take for example in the physical, biological world; the surest way to determine a man is the father of a child is through a genetic test, so both the son and father will have the same genetic characteristics. So spiritually speaking, the spirit of god is his own genetic characteristics and the only way to identify god. This is what jesus meant by: God is a spirit and they that worship him must do so in spirit and truth; ie: they must know his mindset\value-system, else they'd be following other gods and not the true one.
Religion / Re: The Mystery: Understanding Trinity! by okeyxyz(m): 12:51pm On Aug 10, 2013
Emusan:
You mean Jesus also didn't know who God really is too?

Jesus was a man of the law(he came to fulfill the law), So He couldn't speak the truths plainly but hid them in parables. We got the revelations after his resurrection. So you cannot follow his literal words.


God is what?

Before I say anything tell me, what God is?

Shoo?? With all my explanations(rants??) you still didn't catch my drift? God is a spirit. Spirit does not mean literal air or ghost. Spirit means: mindset, which is demonstrated through words and actions.

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Religion / Re: The Mystery: Understanding Trinity! by okeyxyz(m): 8:27am On Aug 10, 2013
@Emusan,

Bros, your teachings are full of errors, and popular errors for that matter. Simply put: mainstream christianity has little or no understanding of the God they purport to worship. This interpretation of "God is a spirit" as being that he is the air or Ghost is based on how the people of the Law(old testament) perceived god, as the invisible and unsee-able being, without body and does not care for physical things. This is how god has been defined all through the ages and till now, but this interpretation of god is wrong. The people of the old testament interpreted god in this manner because god was never revealed to anybody before christianity, so everybody who ever thought they knew god were simply ignorant of his true nature and this ignorance carries on till now.

So to enlighten you; Spirit means: A mindset, or behaviour or attitude. So God is not a ghost, and when God appears again, the people who will recognize him will do so by identifying what he thinks, speaks and acts. Thus spirit. This is what christ meant when he said "I and the father are one", meaning: they think the same thing, they speak the same thing and they act alike. So being spirit does not mean being bodiless. The Holy spirit is simply The thoughts, words and actions of God.

And the Father?? The father is the first person to operate by the holy spirit. He is the creator/originator of it.

Then the son is the one whom the father revealed(begat) this spirit(mindset) to.

So that is the trinity for you. It is only a mystery to people of the law. They cannot understand god because their minds are still set on shadows, trying to conform to letters and literalness of scripture instead of conforming to it's principles(spirit). This is why they did not recognize John the Baptist as Elijah who was promised to come before christ, because they were still looking for the literal, physical signs of Elijah, but John came with the thoughts, words and behaviours of Elijah. In other words: He had the spirit of Elijah.
Religion / Re: The Mystery: Understanding Trinity! by okeyxyz(m): 7:45am On Aug 10, 2013
mcfynest: yeah, right on spot. but you can stop using the word TRINITY that is nt found anywhere in the bible. and pls note - JESUS IS NOT EQUAL TO GOD.

So, the only reason you are against the Trinity is because the word does not exist in the bible? SMH, this is poor use logic. So we cannot relate with god in terms of our contemporary language?? Must we remain in the language and culture of more than two thousand years ago in order to be in conformity with the message and truth of christianity. You my friend, are a follower of the letter instead of the spirit(truth), and remember: The letter killeth...

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Religion / Re: Matthew Chapter 24. What Exegesis Can You Contribute To This Chapter by okeyxyz(m): 7:51pm On Aug 08, 2013
Hmm!! @obadiah, I can see that you have upgraded your holy bottled spirit from shekpe/paraga to Jack Daniels VSOP premium blend grin grin, Well done.

Though you are mad, but wallahi, I enjoy you raves and rants more that the rest of the lost/blind religionists on this forum. Better to be lost and entertaining, than lost and boring.

But sometimes you seem to make sense sha.., but that's madness nah, it comes with sparks of wisdom/inspiration grin grin. Bro, you sure are a special breed. Keep it up, I'm your man. wink

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Religion / Re: Let's Save The World 101 by okeyxyz(m): 12:53am On Aug 08, 2013
CAMEROONPRIDE: no bashing.
share your thoughts. without fear .
May God help us all

You start your OP by bashing islam, then turn around to say write this ^^^ ?? Do you even understand your own thinking process??
Are you schizophrenic?? Because you are arguing from opposing sides of the fence.
Religion / Re: I Have Qestions For The Christians by okeyxyz(m): 10:16am On Aug 07, 2013
Ayomivic: I
1. What is the purpose of Old Testament law ?

Simple. The Law was meant to put man under bondage and harsh treatments. The Law is the legal manifestation of the choice made by Man(Adam) in the garden of Eden. The law is actually the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, of which God commanded:

but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."(Genesis 2:17)

It is the same principles contained in the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, just as the Law. Ie: The tree defines good and evil,just like the Law itself defines good and evil. But this principle is contrary to God's because He has declared all creation to be good and fit for use by man.

God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good...(Genesis 1:31)

To the pure, all things are pure;...(Titus 1:15)

Nothing is forbidden in the eyes of God. It is not God who says "Thou shalt not..., thou shalt not..." but the Law(tree of knowledge of good and evil)



2. Which flaw did God sees in Old Testament law that made God sent Jesus to save us ?

Everything is flawed in the law(tree of knowledge of good and evil) from the beginning. There was no sin in Nature(creation) until the law started to label some creations good and others evil and forbidding the use of them. The Law is not of God but of the devil, and it's purpose was to manifest Man's choice in following the ways of sin(to perceive good things as evil and thus forbid them). Where the bible says:

Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;...(Genesis 3:22),

The one of us was actually referring to the devil. It did not mean that man has become like the godly beings(as christians interpret this passage), but that man has become like the evil being(the one who rebelled) and has brought about sin and death.



3. What is the law of of Jesus Christ ?

The law of Jesus Christ(the risen christ) is: absolute Liberty from the Law of Moses. The law of Moses is totally abolished, thus setting beleivers free from it.


4 In what ways do the law of Jesus different to the mosaic law or Old Testament law ?

In every way. The law of Moses classifies god's gifts/creation as sinful and forbids us from using them. The law of christ declares all creation to be good and we are free to use them. This is the true liberty from the law. Remember repentance means: to revert back to the original ways. To go back to the original mindset of God, when he declared all things to be good and fit for use. Therefore we can do all things without feeling guilt of committing sin.


5. What love and grace did God show to us in New Testament in different to Old Testament law ?

The love of Christ is that he became the law(manifestation/fulfillment of the law). Thus, the death of christ became the death of the law, therefore legally setting us free from it. It it has been defeated, put to death, and has no longer legal authority.
Webmasters / Re: Things Web Developers Must Achieve by okeyxyz(m): 8:05pm On Aug 04, 2013
GraphicsPlus:


Thank you for at least reading through my silly list.

You may notice that all over the world, any known web developer has done one or more things in the list. The list is not made up of set of skills as you said, neither is the list made up of interests. There is only one skill here: Web Application Development. If you have this SKILL, you will in one way or another in the course of your career achieve one or more of these achievements in the list. The list is made up of achievements which every web developer MUST achieve at least one. It's not a choice. As long as you are a web developer and you are in this for life, then you must one day find yourself achieving one of these. I actually thought about them carefully before posting.

Check history. Any web programmer that you know today has achieved one or more things in the list.

Many things wrong with this argument. It is inconsistent and does not stand up to critical logic.

First you base your whole argument on well known developers/programmers, that is just a drop in in ocean of programmers that you are using to evaluate a whole industry. It's like saying: "If you don't own a multi-national company, then you are not a business man". Do you even know how many websites there are in the internet today? As at december 2011, there were over 450 million websites on the internet. Are you telling us that it is these few thousand(maybe 5000 max??) well known individuals who have personally implemented these websites? This logic is totally flawed.

And I say it again; that list is a set of interests. People who venture on such projects do so out of personal interests, just like seun had a vision of owning nairaland forum. Not every web deveoper is gonna have such interest or ambition. Most people in any industry are quite content in being the employee and be receiving monthly salaries, but they are very good at what they do and enjoy the position on no risk taking that comes with such positions. Yet you come here telling me they are not web deveopers just because 7 billion people have not heard of them?? Do you have an idea how many smart people work in facebook, google, yahoo and other tech companies worldwide who have not attempted anything on your list? These people are smart, they just don't have vision. simples.

Also, web application development is not a skill as you stated above. It is a work-title. You can have skills(and levels of proficiencies) in programming languages(c++, python, php, etc), server administration, version controls and documentation, testing, database design and administration, etc.

You started off by saying every web developer must achieve at least three from the list. Now you have back tracked by saying they must achieve at least one. This still boils down to your inconsistency, showing that you did not carefully think about the list before posting them here.

Lastly, you round-up by saying: as long as one is a web developer and he is in it for life. Really, So if I'm not in this for life and thus not achieving anything on the list, then I cannot be called a web developer? Why must anybody do the same thing for the rest of his life? So if I'd spent the last 10 years doing web development and decide to move on to other things, say management for example, then I was never a web developer?? I bow for this your logic oo.

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Webmasters / Re: Things Web Developers Must Achieve by okeyxyz(m): 6:42pm On Aug 04, 2013
teemy:
Try to know a little bit about someone before you judge and in this case you really made a mistake of picking on the wrong guy. Check out Graphicsplus' posts and started threads and I am sure you will end up saying 'Sorry Sir'.

I don't need to know anything more about the poster besides the opinions he had categorically expressed in OP, which is silly to say the least. What he is saying is that any developer who does not have the same interests as himself(as listed in the OP), then such a person cannot be regarded as a genuine(if at all) web-deveoper. Like I said before: That list is a set of interests, not a set of skills. Nobody gives you a degree, a qualification or employment based on your interests, rather it is based on your skills. Your interests might make people like you but it is not the core abilities by which you are rated in any industry. This is why the list is silly.
Religion / Re: How To Overcome Groaneth Of The Creations. by okeyxyz(m): 4:49pm On Aug 02, 2013
^^^ @Pastor_Olu_T, you are the first respondent, thus there's no doubt you are responding to the OP. So you don't need to quote the OP at all, unless there's some part of it you want to highlight in your response, which clearly is not the case.
Webmasters / Re: Things Web Developers Must Achieve by okeyxyz(m): 4:32pm On Jul 30, 2013
@OP obviously knows nothing about the industry or art of web-developing. He simply makes a list of his fantasies, and then declares them to be achievements/standards by which web developers are measured. Also all the people who have praised this list so far have no idea what web developing is about. There are thousands of accomplished and prospering web-developers who have no interest(yes, they are interests, not skills) in any of the items mentioned in this funny list.

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Religion / Re: Righteousness Of The Laws Of Moses Vs Righteousness Of Grace Of Christ By Faith by okeyxyz(m): 3:40pm On Jul 28, 2013
shdemidemi: For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.

I will help our brother out with Romans 7:2

The question from Chapter 6:1 was shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?

The analogy of marriage was used by the apostle to further buttress his point-

The woman in the analogy represents a believer

Her first husband is the sin nature

The law of her first husband represents the law of Moses

The woman must obey the law of her husband as a principle of marriage

She is bound to the laws of this first husband as long as the husband is alive.

Christ became sin, he died as the first husband

The woman is now free to marry another husband

The new husband is the risen Christ

The woman cannot live with the new husband as if she were living with the old husband because the new husband has his own laws

The new law is the law of God different from the law of condemnation , sin and death.

WOW!!!! WONDERFULL!!! SHOCKING!!!! MY MOUTH HAS TORN(IYANNU grin grin)

Bros, So you know all this spiritual principles?? You know that christ became the Law of Moses(sin & death) and died, and by dying has put this Law to Death so that we shall no longer define our moralities based on it?

So why do you still continue to define sin according to how this same law(of Moses) defined sin?? Why not follow liberty(in the Risen Christ) like I've always argued?? Why do you still follow/worship that model of christ who walked with his twelve disciples? This is why you guys still think that celibacy is holy because that christ was celibate(as recommended by the Law of Moses). Whereas, Paul expressly stated: We don't recognize that christ anymore, we don't follow him. He was the Law(of sin) and anybody who follows him is still a sinner.
Religion / Re: Should Churches Be Paying Tax. by okeyxyz(m): 3:33pm On Jul 27, 2013
FrostyZonn: Of course, they should! Every institution whether big or small, under one supreme government is expected to pay tax. That's how an effective government works.

A bit more explanation and citation could demonstrate that you actually know what you are talking about. And No!!, not every institution/transaction is mandated to pay tax. Many are tax exempt.
Religion / Re: Should Churches Be Paying Tax. by okeyxyz(m): 3:22pm On Jul 27, 2013
Alfa Seltzer: okeyxyz, you are full of shit. Government can tax whoever whatever it wants. Infact government can even tax illegal activities. That's what put Al Capone in prison. Not paying tax on his illegal income.

grin grin grin Bros, I am not the typical nairaland member who bows to half-baked knowledge. FYI, Al capone was tried for illegal activities and they couldn't convict him, therefore making his activities legal. So they tried him for not paying taxes on these activities and found him guilty. So your talk of taxing illegal activity is just plain silliness. If you tax, then you make the subject of your taxation legal. Taxation is a seal of approval.



Under good governance, everybody is required to declare all income to tax authorities. Whether taxable or not.


Not everybody, but Everybody who is involved in a business transaction, either as a producer, seller, buyer, employer, employee, etc


Where a government provided amenities that benefit organisations, such organisations are expected to pay a certain contribution towards the funding. Churches benefit from government roads, electricity facilities, etc. That's reason enough to tax them.


Bros, are you so consumed by your hatred of religious organizations that you do no realize that they pay taxes for all the above? on roads, on property, on their employees, local govt taxes, etc. Is this your argument based on ignorance or you are just deliberately suppressing the truth??


But they could also be taxed under other rules. When you give money to a church, a financial transaction has taken place. Any governemnt can impose a financial transaction tax if it wants
.

A financial transaction does not mean a taxable transaction. What of when you give money to your elderly parents for food? or for their medical treatment? or your son's pocket money?

Note: I have not argued that govt cannot impose tax on any transaction, but i'm asking what are the justifications and implications for these taxes? You are taxing people for their belief systems, it's implication is that you are legally defending and enforcing their belief systems. In other words: you declare that their god exist and all the claims this God makes is true, so if it's true, then it's legally enforceable. Of course you can impose tax on anything, just like you have the right to be stupid.


Gifts over a certain amount, real estates and even bank deposits can even be taxed without the government needing to validate the activity of the proprietors. There are many more but just note that the government can tax if it wants.

So who gets or owns the gifts, the real estate and bank deposits and why are they taxable? It is because every individual is regarded as an economically/business viable legal entity with rights to engage in business, and can use these amounts/values for business transactions. Now do you wanna tax churches(and other non-profits org's, eg: charity orgs) that have expressly declared themselves as non profit organizations? Like I said before, govt can tax anything but it dosen't make it smart or morally or legally sound taxation.
Religion / Re: Should Churches Be Paying Tax. by okeyxyz(m): 2:21pm On Jul 27, 2013
DrummaBoy: I find it difficult to comprehend why Churches will tax their members through tithes, a kind of tax in the OT, but frown @ giving tax to the government.

To start with, church doctrines are voluntary and are not legally binding on anybody what doctrines they choose to believe or not. If you don't agree with doctrines of your church, you have infinite right not to attend that church or not attend any church for that matter. You are only supporting taxation of churches just because your own particular christian doctrines don't preach tithes, rather than because taxation of churches making any logical, moral or legal sense. You are towing the line of the typical, vindictive atheist; who supports any mandate, no matter how evil it is, as long as it disenfranchises religious organizations.



Okeyz, sir, the church benefits from the state as much as the individual on the street. So if citizens are taxed on their business why not churches?

In other words you consider spiritual doctrine and gifts a business?? Are you sure you are a christian?? Because I'd assumed you were one. And if you consider spiritual doctrine a business, where is the documentation that establishes such a product/service an object to be traded? just like every good/service that is traded has documentation that establishes and enforces the validatity of it's claims and features, it's copyrights and ownership rights and license to be traded in a community. These are the rights and protections governments grants to organizations and upon which taxes are collected for this joint venture(between organization and government) through which money is made off it's citizens. These are some of the frameworks for taxation.

And as regards "The church benefits from the govt", every entity benefits from govt, But only profit-making entities have a tax mandate.
Religion / Re: I Will Not Worship A Homophobic God-archbishop Tutu by okeyxyz(m): 1:44pm On Jul 27, 2013
striktlymi:

That would be you reading meaning to what he said...

Bishop Tutu has his views and I have mine. I reflected mine in my post and can only defend what I say and not what the 'good' Bishop has in mind.

While you have your own views and tutu his, I was reacting to your "kudos"ing him, hence wondering what exactly your praise of him is for.

It is one thing to fight for civil liberties(including the liberty to be gay) which I whole-heartedly support, it's another thing to want to turn civil liberties into christian doctrine. The arch-bishop it seems is (deliberately) being vague or merging the two. So anyone who stands in support of his campaign must determine what exactly he is supporting. Is he supporting homse.xuality as a civil liberty or supporting homose.xuality as a christian doctrine??
Religion / Re: I Will Not Worship A Homophobic God-archbishop Tutu by okeyxyz(m): 12:49pm On Jul 27, 2013
striktlymi: Homophobia needs to be kicked out of existence.

The command is to love God and neighbour...a prejudice against anyone irrespective of their sexual orientation is an offence against God. We should learn to love the sinner but hate the sin.

Kudos to him for trying to safeguard the rights of Homosexuals.

You do realize that the arch-Bishop is probably saying that he'd rather go to hell than a heaven where there's no homos.exuality??

“I would refuse to go to a homophobic heaven. No, I would say sorry, I mean I would much rather go to the other place,” Archbishop Tutu said at the launch of the Free and Equal campaign in Cape Town.

“I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this.”
Religion / Re: Should Churches Be Paying Tax. by okeyxyz(m): 12:10pm On Jul 27, 2013
segyemaro: You are sounding like a pastor that the Tax introduction will affect

Do you realize that you have not even attempted to address any of the issues that I'd raised concerning the legal requirements and responsibilities of taxation? Are you so incapable of critically addressing my questions that you are rather trying to derail from them by labeling me a "pastor affected by taxation"? This is a typical case of intellectual impotence. You cannot handle an argument, so you attack the person instead of the arguments.
Religion / Re: Should Churches Be Paying Tax. by okeyxyz(m): 11:44am On Jul 27, 2013
segyemaro: I believe if churches are made to pay Tax, it will reduce the idea of where a man takes up a pastoral job to quickly open a church just to be called General Overseer instead of looking for job. So pls let's share ideas. E

Afam4eva: Yes, they should.

SMH at nigerians who just make demands\propositions without critical thinking about it. @OP & @Afam, Do you guys really know what the frameworks/basis for taxation are? Do you know what the contractual implications and responsibilities(to the society) of collecting taxes for a peoduct/service rendered to society? It is really silly to declare tax on any organization just for the reason that such organization has money or spends money. When a government collects tax, it is assumed that it is in a joint venture with the organization from whom it collects tax and of which the government's interest is the percentage collected as tax. Also, By collecting tax the government declares the validity/authenticity of whatever products or services(spiritual goods/services in this case) such an organization is selling to the public. So tell me, how does the government validate legally that one is truly born again? that one speaks in authentic tongues? that one has been correctly ministered to by the holy spirit? the gifts of the holy spirit? and other church doctrines? Because whatever the government validates, then the same must be legally enforced by the government and each citizen has a right to go to court to ask for such doctrines to be enforced. I guess you guys have no idea of what goes on legally in some islamic countries then? where convversion from islam to any other religion carries the death penalty, etc.

So next time you come on here to demand tax on religions doctrines, at least consider, research and establish the contractual framework, industrial-quality requirements and criminal implications of making any product/service taxable, because taxation makes such a spiritual product/service legally enforceable. Taxation is not child's play(as you guys clearly think it is).

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Religion / Re: Shall We Continue In Sin? by okeyxyz(m): 9:43pm On Jul 26, 2013
shdemidemi:

You hit the nail on the head there, if you can't control your passion, get married. Where on earth did you get your se.x without marriage idea?

You and I don't have the same definition for "passion". While you see it as se.xual-urge, I interpret it as negative emotions like jealousy.

But you are dodging the question; Was Paul expressly stating that it is better if all christians abstained from sex??
Religion / Re: Shall We Continue In Sin? by okeyxyz(m): 9:32pm On Jul 26, 2013
^^^ I'm not talking about se.xual idolatories and fornications going on in Corinth. Paul expressly recommended that: It is better not to marry, even as I(Paul) am. He makes it a recommendation for christians to follow his lifestyle exactly, but if they cannot control their passions, then they should marry. Seriously, was Paul stating categorically that it is better if all Christians abstained from sex??

Please read 1 Corinthians 7 with a truly honest mind. "Christians" tend to avoid this particular issue of "no marriage", but they are the first to jump and state that every christian man must be a husband of one wife, a doctrine that Paul imposed on bishops only, not for every christian.
Religion / Re: Shall We Continue In Sin? by okeyxyz(m): 9:21pm On Jul 26, 2013
@shdem: Are you seriously telling me that Paul is advising that it is better this woman should stop having s.ex?? That it is better if all christians abstain from sex..(okay, let's say after children grin grin)??

39A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord. 40 But in my opinion she is happier if she remains as she is; and I think that I also have the Spirit of God(1 Corinthians 7: 38-39).
Religion / Re: Shall We Continue In Sin? by okeyxyz(m): 11:11pm On Jul 25, 2013
shdemidemi:
Being Unmarried does not bar a Christian from se.xual activities! Please back the statement with scripture

I recommend you to read all of 1 corinthians 7 carefully. If the spirit opens your eyes, then you'd see the message, else no amount of my explanation will convince you. The corinthians were practicing se.xual freedom, but because of their passion & lust, causing fornication, Paul had to place a ban on that practice because their minds were not ready to exercise that freedom. But it was clear that se.xual liberty was a doctrine of the christian church.
Religion / Re: Shall We Continue In Sin? by okeyxyz(m): 10:53pm On Jul 25, 2013
Tgirl4real: God help us!

Bro OkXYZ,

Pls what congregation do you belong to? I would like to know the movement that share this belief with you.

There is no Organized organization that i belong to. There are a few people who practice this doctrine that I preach.


And how do you mean Paul was in the spirit - mind set?

To be spiritual means: To have the mindset of God. God cannot sin, therefore if I abide in this mindset, I also cannot sin. God is supreme over all of creation, all knowledge, proceses and resources in creation are for god's use, likewise they are for my use too. Nothing in creation that I do or use can corrupt me. I have become equal to God, in quality and quantity. This is what it means to have the mindset(spirit) of God or to be the son of god, and Paul being in the spirit had all these attributes. He was sinless and all powerful.
Religion / Re: Shall We Continue In Sin? by okeyxyz(m): 10:37pm On Jul 25, 2013
shdemidemi:

Was he talking spiritually here as well?

Forget about the spiritual aspects of that doctrine for now, You and I can never agree on that since we don't yet agree on the fundamentals.

So Paul does not say marriage is a sin, neither do I. He simple emphasizes that he'd prefer that his followers were not married because they'd be more spiritually minded if they were unmarried. The same I am saying here. Being unmarried does not bar a christian from se.xual activities. Now because He has followers whose minds are very much set on marriage and societal traditions, he had to recommend a doctrine that accomodates their marriages and traditions, hence "A bishop should be a husband of one wife etc..."
Religion / Re: Shall We Continue In Sin? by okeyxyz(m): 10:35am On Jul 25, 2013
shdemidemi:

You need to separate this gospel of yours from the gospel of God. What has sex got to do with what you have been sent to do on earth, the scripture says those that have the Spirit of God mind the the things of the Spirit.

The "spirit" is not a Ghost like we've been taught to think. The spirit is an understanding/mindset, whereas a man of the law sees sin in a matter, a man of the spirit sees righteousness in the same matter.


Are you created to satisfy the flesh? Our call is to be a sojourner walking through the world with an ambassadorial assignment of propagating the gospel of God. Please read your bible properly bro.

Again, the "flesh" does not refer the physical biological body. It refers to human traditions, which is based on the Law of Moses.


Same Pauline letter you are misconstruing encourage wives to submit and husbands to love in matrimony.

Paul was speaking spiritually here, which I don't want to go into now.
Religion / Re: Shall We Continue In Sin? by okeyxyz(m): 10:24am On Jul 25, 2013
Tgirl4real: My question is, why is it still necessary since I canhave my best life now?

Why can't I just continue to live in d liberty I have in Christ Jesus. All I have to do is believe, no?

If there's no struggle of right n wrong in my members, if I can't sin and I can act like I no longer have the knowledge of good and evil and everything I do in Christ is good, why then do I need to renew my mind?

The struggle in your members is the fight between pleasing God(liberty) and pleasing society(Man, the law, the flesh). How does society treat people who do not choose or advocate marriage?? The desire to conform to man's traditions is the true temptation.

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.(1 John 2:16)
Religion / Re: Shall We Continue In Sin? by okeyxyz(m): 10:18am On Jul 25, 2013
Tgirl4real:
Ok. So, I can decide to be a lesbian, it's my sexuality right?

You CANNOT be a lesbian. It is unnatural and therefore fornication. The sexuality of God has to be natural and consensual.

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