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Politics / Re: Fg Places Seven Countries On Terrorism Watch List by okunboy: 11:40am On Sep 26, 2011
There's a border town in maiduguri where we normally take a walk into chad. Less than a kilometer walk. No custon, no immigration, no police or any form of security agent. Jst choose where u wan take enter and bam!! U ar in chad. We av the most porous border in the world.
Politics / Re: Boko Haram: Governor Muazu Called Nothern Leaders Hypocrites by okunboy: 3:23pm On Sep 25, 2011
joe4christ:
Most of you guys commend this guy cos u dont have a clue of what he's made up of, he's an orator indeed, but he sincerely does'nt give a shi't about you all he's conscern about is publicity.
I speak cos i currently reside in minna, come down here and behold his incompetence & corruption displayed all over the city of minna, 

When some of u make a blanket statemnt accusing sombdy of corruption wtout substantiating it, one wonders if u are jst trying to b mischievious or jst talking 4 d sake of it.
Gov'nor Aliyu is the only northern Gov'nor thta has declared free education all in the secondary skool in the state for indigenes n non-indigenes alike. Paid 4 for all neco and waec candidates irrespective of whether u are indegenes or not. Go n check ur facts n stop making a blanket statmnt of corruption wtout facts.
Politics / Re: Boko Haram: Governor Muazu Called Nothern Leaders Hypocrites by okunboy: 10:46am On Sep 25, 2011
@ikeyman00
Have u made any point really? Calm ur nerves and be reasonable!
Politics / Re: Terrorist Training Camp Discovered By Police In Bauchi by okunboy: 9:28am On Sep 25, 2011

:Andrew:::
@abujabir

do u people always have knife?

@Andrew in the north they sale knives (I mean dagger knives)openly in garrage, in the market like u selling poff-poff in d south. So dat Abujabir is not joking with dat statement! They pray for 4giveness wen they slaughter animal, but it is a blessing when they slaughter "infidels".
Politics / Re: Boko Haram: Governor Muazu Called Nothern Leaders Hypocrites by okunboy: 8:42am On Sep 25, 2011
Gov'nor Aliyu had always been my favourite Northern Gov'nor.
But only 4 Gov'nors attended the meeting? Whay happend to the rest?
Politics / Re: Beef $ Alj_harem by okunboy: 7:35pm On Sep 22, 2011
This is what make NL what it is today. A forum of 'ninjas', where u can say anything anyhow at anytime. Nobody knws u, so a free to yab presido, insult the hell out of d 1st lady and nobody will hunt you. I wonder what it wld av been like on NL if our indentities are known. May be the like of 'beaf' and 'alj-harem' wld av been a different personalities.
Nairaland / General / Re: Pastor Sleeps With Mother & Daughter, Defiles 15 Yrs Old Fellow Pastors Daughter by okunboy: 7:26am On Sep 22, 2011
@OP Becareful, do not rejoice or take bounty at another man's fall. Leave him with his
God to judge.
Politics / Re: Unlicensed Preaching Law: Boko Haram threatens To Attack Katsina by okunboy: 9:25am On Sep 21, 2011
@kuyorodele though am not a muslim but this what quran say about jihad:
"Jihad is holy fighting in Allah's Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.
Business / Re: Electricity Generation Now At 4,242mw – Nnaji by okunboy: 5:17pm On Sep 20, 2011
[Quotes]Now, the 7,000 mega watts target was not met but was all the N525billion spent? What happened? Why was the target not met? [/quotes]
N525 billion was APPROVED not DISBURSED. Do you need somebody to tell u d difference?
Politics / Re: Shehu Sani Goes Into Hiding After Babakura Fugu's Death by okunboy: 10:28am On Sep 19, 2011
The killer of fugu will not be far from d fugu's neighbourhood. With d heavy security presence dat dotted almost every corner of the city, am suprised how someone cld get away with such crime.As sani shehu has said, the boko haram issue is more complex dan we all know. The killing of this fellow has open a window into t
he activities of this group.Now some of us talking abt th

e some northern leaders not coming out to mediate in this problem can now see the reason. Shehu sani is hiding, the fugu's contact is killed, who will come out again now?
Politics / Re: Boko Haram: Babakura, Spokesman During Obasanjo’s Visit Shot Dead by okunboy: 11:22pm On Sep 17, 2011
Obj visited wrong person. The man he should visit is in the desert. Yusuff former deputy.
Politics / Re: Obasanjo Begs Boko Haram Leader's Family For Forgiveness by okunboy: 8:03pm On Sep 16, 2011
Some pple can jst seat behind d net and type rubish. They critisize d move n yet cld not suggest anyone better. This move is surely a good one.
Politics / Re: Boko Haram: Court Summons Prison Controller Over Missing Suspects by okunboy: 3:27pm On Sep 16, 2011
When is d judiciary ever going to try and prosecute even one of this sect memnber?
Politics / Re: How I Helped In Boko Haram Bombings, Ezimako, Mastermind, Tells Court by okunboy: 5:02pm On Sep 14, 2011
ASANIGBO20:

One of the alleged masterminds and prime suspects of the bombing in Suleja, Niger State, Ahmed Hassan Ezimako, yesterday told the court how Boko Haram attacked the All Christian Fellowship Mission and Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) office and other areas between April and May 2011.

Ezimako, who is a Boko Haram convert from Imo State, was among eight suspects arraigned in an Abuja Chief Magistrates Court yesterday by the State Security Service (SSS) on a two-count charge of criminal conspiracy to commit felony.
Others arraigned with him were Shuaibu Abubakar, Umar BabaGana Umar, Mohammed Ali, Musa Adam, Mohammed, Umar Ibrahim and Salisu Ahmed.

They were said to have criminally conspired to commit “a felony to wit: criminal intimidation and threat to life and, voluntarily causing grievous hurt by dangerous means contrary to Section 97, 248, Sub Section 1 and 397 of the Penal Code punishable under the same section.”

However, prosecuting counsel, Mr. Cliff Osagie, told the court that one Basha, who is the architect of the crime, along with others was still at large.

Although Ezimako did not enter his plea to the charges against him, he confessed participating in the Boko Haram bombings, revealing that he connected the members to where they bought the cortex wires that were used in detonating their bombs.
Ezimako, who said point blank that he knew something about the transactions on the explosives, said: “I was working in a mining site at Awe Local Government Area in Nasarawa State.” He said at the close of work on a certain day, he met Ahmed, who he had known for a long time since they started the Boko Haram.

“He collected my phone number on a condition that he would not give it to anybody,” disclosing that he had to run away and change his former phone numbers after Ahmed gave it to Basha, who invited him to Suleja, preached to, and converted him to Boko Haram. He said Basha told him that they were on a revenge mission for their slain leader, Mohammed Yusuf.

“We have been together since 2008 and 2009 in the preaching of Boko Haram. After the crisis of 2009 in Maiduguri, Basha called me with Salisu, to meet him in Madala for a meeting. As I went there, Basha collected my number and preached to me that he was training people for a revenge for the death of Mohammed Yusuf. He taught us how to handle AK 47.”
Revealing that he, Basha and Ahmed went into oath taking after the meeting, Ezimako said he became discontent with the practices of the dreaded sect and told Basha that he was no longer interested in the sect. Hence, he destroyed his initial phone number to prevent Basha from reaching him.

However, he said Basha was able to again reach him on his new phone numbers, which he allegedly got forcefully from Ahmed, after he (Ezimako) gave it out to Ahmed conditionally.
He told the court that this was how Basha was able to contact him to help the sect get two rolls of cortex wire that would enable them explode their bombs.

He said he was able to connect Ahmed with one of the accused persons that helped them to get it and got his money from Basha through the same Ahmed.
Having listened to him, the prosecution told the court that investigation on the matter had been concluded and the service was ready for the trial of the accused.

Accordingly, he prayed that the accused persons be remanded in the SSS’ custody, while applying an adjournment to enable the service produce other suspects for trial.
Chief Magistrate Oyebola Oyewunmi ordered that the accused persons be remanded in SSS’ custody, even as she urged them to hire a lawyer of their choice.
Further hearing was fixed for October 4.


http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/sept/14/national-14-09-2011-001.html

Igbo-Man boko-haram? The only 'reasonable' motive the boy join boko-haram may just be the bolded above.
Politics / Re: How I Helped In Boko Haram Bombings, Ezimako, Mastermind, Tells Court by okunboy: 4:58pm On Sep 14, 2011
ASANIGBO20:

One of the alleged masterminds and prime suspects of the bombing in Suleja, Niger State, Ahmed Hassan Ezimako, yesterday told the court how Boko Haram attacked the All Christian Fellowship Mission and Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) office and other areas between April and May 2011.

Ezimako, who is a Boko Haram convert from Imo State, was among eight suspects arraigned in an Abuja Chief Magistrates Court yesterday by the State Security Service (SSS) on a two-count charge of criminal conspiracy to commit felony.
Others arraigned with him were Shuaibu Abubakar, Umar BabaGana Umar, Mohammed Ali, Musa Adam, Mohammed, Umar Ibrahim and Salisu Ahmed.

They were said to have criminally conspired to commit “a felony to wit: criminal intimidation and threat to life and, voluntarily causing grievous hurt by dangerous means contrary to Section 97, 248, Sub Section 1 and 397 of the Penal Code punishable under the same section.”

However, prosecuting counsel, Mr. Cliff Osagie, told the court that one Basha, who is the architect of the crime, along with others was still at large.

Although Ezimako did not enter his plea to the charges against him, he confessed participating in the Boko Haram bombings, revealing that he connected the members to where they bought the cortex wires that were used in detonating their bombs.
Ezimako, who said point blank that he knew something about the transactions on the explosives, said: “I was working in a mining site at Awe Local Government Area in Nasarawa State.” He said at the close of work on a certain day, he met Ahmed, who he had known for a long time since they started the Boko Haram.

“He collected my phone number on a condition that he would not give it to anybody,” disclosing that he had to run away and change his former phone numbers after Ahmed gave it to Basha, who invited him to Suleja, preached to, and converted him to Boko Haram. He said Basha told him that they were on a revenge mission for their slain leader, Mohammed Yusuf.

“We have been together since 2008 and 2009 in the preaching of Boko Haram. After the crisis of 2009 in Maiduguri, Basha called me with Salisu, to meet him in Madala for a meeting. As I went there, Basha collected my number and preached to me that he was training people for a revenge for the death of Mohammed Yusuf. He taught us how to handle AK 47.”
Revealing that he, Basha and Ahmed went into oath taking after the meeting, Ezimako said he became discontent with the practices of the dreaded sect and told Basha that he was no longer interested in the sect. Hence, he destroyed his initial phone number to prevent Basha from reaching him.

However, he said Basha was able to again reach him on his new phone numbers, which he allegedly got forcefully from Ahmed, after he (Ezimako) gave it out to Ahmed conditionally.
He told the court that this was how Basha was able to contact him to help the sect get two rolls of cortex wire that would enable them explode their bombs.

He said he was able to connect Ahmed with one of the accused persons that helped them to get it and got his money from Basha through the same Ahmed.
Having listened to him, the prosecution told the court that investigation on the matter had been concluded and the service was ready for the trial of the accused.


Igbo-Man boko-haram? The only 'reasonable' motive the boy join boko-haram may just be the bolded above.

Accordingly, he prayed that the accused persons be remanded in the SSS’ custody, while applying an adjournment to enable the service produce other suspects for trial.
Chief Magistrate Oyebola Oyewunmi ordered that the accused persons be remanded in SSS’ custody, even as she urged them to hire a lawyer of their choice.
Further hearing was fixed for October 4.


http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/sept/14/national-14-09-2011-001.html
Politics / Re: Police Parade Goat As Robbery Suspect by okunboy: 3:19pm On Sep 13, 2011
knotty:

@Poster, why the mischief? This is an old buried thread; why exhume it and give it a new life?
Do you find pleasure in maligning the Nigerian Police?

Don't mind him jare, old story wey don die!
Politics / Re: Bomblast In Jos! by okunboy: 3:33pm On Sep 12, 2011
LagosShia:

[size=14pt]Aren't there some verses of the Qur'an that condone "killing the infidel"?[/size]
By Huda, About.com Guide

Question: Aren't there some verses of the Qur'an that condone "killing the infidel"?
Answer: The Qur'an commands Muslims to stick up for themselves in a defensive battle -- i.e. if an enemy army attacks, then Muslims are to fight against that army until they stop their aggression. All of the verses that speak about fighting/war in the Qur'an are in this context.
There are some specific verses that are very often "snipped" out of context, either by critics of Islam discussing "jihadism," or by misguided Muslims themselves who wish to justify their aggressive tactics.


"Slay Them" - If They Attack You First
For example, one verse (in its snipped version) reads: "slay them wherever you catch them" (Qur'an 2:191). But who is this referring to? Who are "they" that this verse discusses? The preceding and following verses give the correct context:
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter, But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful, If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193).
It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants.


"Fight the Pagans" - If They Break Treaties
A similar verse can be found in chapter 9, verse 5 -- which in its snipped, out of context version could read: "fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)." Again, the preceding and following verses give the context.
This verse was revealed during a historical period when the small Muslim community had entered into treaties with neighboring tribes (Jewish, Christian, and pagan). Several of the pagan tribes had violated the terms of their treaty, secretly aiding an enemy attack against the Muslim community. The verse directly before this one instructs the Muslims to continue to honor treaties with anyone who has not since betrayed them, because fulfilling agreements is considered a righteous action. Then the verse continues, that those who have violated the terms of the treaty have declared war, so fight them, (as quoted above).

Directly after this permission to fight, the same verse continues, "but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them, for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." The subsequent verses instruct the Muslims to grant asylum to any member of the pagan tribe/army who asks for it, and again reminds that "as long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God loves the righteous."


Conclusion
Any verse that is quoted out of context misses the whole point of the message of the Qur'an. Nowhere in the Qur'an can be found support for indiscriminate slaughter, the killing of non-combatants, or murder of innocent persons in 'payback' for another people's alleged crimes.
The Islamic teachings on this subject can be summed up in the following verses (Qur'an 60:7-cool:
"It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just."

http://islam.about.com/od/terrorism/f/terrorism_verse.htm



I read your defence of those evil verses in your books and I will give u reply in a short while.
Politics / Re: Bomblast In Jos! by okunboy: 2:27am On Sep 12, 2011
[b]
Tabari IX:69

"Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us."

Tabari VI:138

"Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting."

Qur'an:9:19

"Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah."
[/b]

want more?
Politics / Re: Bomblast In Jos! by okunboy: 2:12am On Sep 12, 2011
one of the Sunnan of Islamic sunnan say:



Ishaq:587

"Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."


If u need more pls let me know. I can give u more than a thousands of similar qoutes in their books.
Politics / Re: Why I Refuse To Curse Boko Haram by okunboy: 8:08pm On Sep 07, 2011
, The Boko Haram sect is an accursed group already, but could it be that they are part of God’s cleansing mechanism in Nigeria?

Brother, God will never use the instrument of evil to cleanse a nation.

Though terrorism and corruption may be of the same parent, terrorism may never be a solution to corruption.
Politics / Re: In Your Own Opinion, What Is The Solution To The Boko-haram Crises? by okunboy: 12:21am On Sep 07, 2011
ljila:

@Topic: i think Pointb has stated great points (kudos grin) and sort of agree with gists that they seem short term. However, I believe if peace loving Muslims would take it personally upon themselves to educate the almajiris and vulnerable Muslims in the society against extremism, then the problem can be solved in the long term. Also, providing avenues for jobs and the likes (because they say an idle mind is the devil's workshop), may hopefully go a long way in helping.

Hey gists and dvee2, hear me out pls smiley
If people are willing to look beyond religious sentiments and this attitude of  "i'll get back at whoever attacks my religion", you will understand that Okunboy  and skydeeris have a point, and yes, it is fair for you to say they misquoted.
I speak as a northerner and someone who has muslim relatives so hear me out before playing the judgemental card, ok? smiley
I have heard first hand from a boy less than 10 years about how they were told in Islamiya (after-school quranic classes),they would get lada (blessings) if they burn the bible. Imagine that kid growing up and being told someone insulted Allah, do you think he will take it lightly?
Granted they can misquote the quran and did not see the context of the verses, this can apply to the bible as people misquote it as well which i am not denying.
Don't you think its high time the majority of the "peace loving muslims" openly condemn these attacks that are done in the name of Allah? Why is it that any major condemnation of the acts of these terrorists of muslim origins, if by non-muslims is taken as an act of war? Or if by Muslims, as betrayal of one of the pillars of Islam (Jihad)?
For example, when the American Pastor threatened to burn qurans, didn't alot of Christians all over + influential non-muslims esp in America condemn the act? Didn't muslims all over condemn the act, threatening all sort of atrocities if it happened, saying that it was unlike Jesus bla bla bla? Can you blame the BH peeps when they think they are following the steps of your great prophet by carrying out these killings because they were made to believe so?
I say all these knowing fully well that traditional rulers and Muslim clerics that condemned BH atrocities in Maiduguri were murdered.

P.S - I don't know the criterion for being a Muslim, so i don't know if the Boko haramites are true Muslims; but a Christian is someone whose done what this verse says:
Romans 10:9  So you will be saved, if you honestly say, "Jesus is Lord," and if you believe with all your heart that God raised him from death.
Romans 10:10  God will accept you and save you, if you truly believe this and tell it to others.
And the bible says by their fruit, ye shall know them. So i don't believe for one second that the Norwegian killer was a Christian, because many Nigerians especially think that if people are they are not Muslims, practice African traditional religions, atheists, etc, that makes them Christians, it doesn't!
What do you have to say about this link on Wikileaks: http://wikileaks.org/cable/2008/03/08ABUJA538.html

Dvee2: Which Danish terrorist killed over 100 in the name of Christianity? Do you mean the Norwegian guy? If so, he did not kill in the name of Christianity and the death toll was 98 according to Reuters (that's the highest reported so far), check your facts. Last time i checked, his motives were unclear but there are theories he wanted a check on immigration and didn't really like the policies of the party in govt; hence killings in a political camp which the Prime minister was scheduled to visit.
Osama Bin Laden's feelings towards the West are widely known and Boko Haram have made it clear they want Sharia implemented in Nigeria; they bombed the UN due to 2Islamic oppression by the the UN" bla bla bla

Xfactoria: Deposing all Emirs would be seen as an act of war because their loyals and extremists wouldn't take it lightly. How many innocent lives would be lost as a result? Not all Emirs are in support of the terror acts. Some of them may have been silent because BH have a policy of killing whoever rebukes them - Christian or Muslim.
The BH situation is not very straight forward and has alot of twists to it.


Insightful posting Ijila. An american journalist carried out a research in the middle-east about terrorism. He wanted to know why the hamas, alqaeeda suicide bombers etc are ready to kill and be killed. He met different groups of this extremists, granted interview with them. He asked them 'why are you killing us?' Surprisingly the answer they all gave was simply; Islam. While we may say "hey no, no religion preach terrorism, these people are using Islam to carry out their evil intents bla bla bla" A cursory study of most of islamic books gave me a different thought. When I also cchecked that some of the best scolars of Islam themselve are noo different from these terrorist it gets one worried. For Instance,the world's foremost authority on the Qur'an is sheik Abdel Rahman. He was the senior professor of Qur'anic studies at Islam’s most prestigious university, Al-Azhar, in Cairo. Today, the sheik is a convicted terrorist, serving time in an American prison for the '93 bombing of the World Trade Center.

For gist and dvee2, consider this quote from the Saudi ruling family's favorite imam, al Buraik. He's not only licensed, he's atop the pecking order. Prior to a telethon hosted to enrich the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, this esteemed cleric said, "I am against America. She is the root of all evils and wickedness on earth. Muslims, don't take Jews and Christians as allies. Muslim brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy or compassion on them, their blood, their money, or their flesh. Their women are yours to take, legitimately. Allah made them yours. Why don't you enslave their women? Why don't you wage jihad? Why don't you pillage them?"

I am yet to see anybody on these forum who can sincerely tell me they are more Muslim than these two renowned Muslim cleric I mentioned above.
Politics / Re: The Face Of The Man Who Bombed The Un Building by okunboy: 9:25am On Sep 06, 2011
Don't blame this guy too much, He may have read or been taught one of these:

[b]
Muslim:C31B20N4645------"The Prophet said: 'Whoever cheerfully accepts Allah as his Lord, Islam as his Religion and Muhammad as his Apostle is necessarily entitled to enter Paradise.' Abu wondered at it and said: 'Messenger of Allah, repeat that for me.' He did that and said: 'There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth.' Abu said: 'What is that act?' He replied: 'Jihad in the Way of Allah! Jihad in Allah's Cause!'"

Bukhari:V4B52N53 "The Prophet said, 'Nobody who dies and finds Paradise would wish to come back to this life even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to get killed again in Allah's Cause.'"

Bukhari:V4B52N54 "The Prophet said, 'Were it not for the believers who do not want me to leave them, I would certainly and always go forth in army units setting out in Allah's Cause. I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.'"
[/b]

Wether he misinterpreted (as some would want us to believe), or not this kind of madness is repulsive!
Politics / Re: In Your Own Opinion, What Is The Solution To The Boko-haram Crises? by okunboy: 8:59pm On Sep 05, 2011
Thanks @ skydeexie. Anybody that needs a genuine solution to boko haram extremism will ask the sincere questions. What's their motivation? What's the source?They want sharia implemented in all the states of the federation (including east, south and west). The official name of boko haram is Jama'atu Ahlis Sunnah Liddaawati Wai Jihad which in Arabic means "People Committed to the Propagation of the[b] Prophet's Teachings and Jihad[/b]". So the burden to discover the true meaning of these teachings and jihad is place on us all, if we must know how to tackle it. We can't shy away from it. Some of you reeling out steps of what govt should do to stop them are less informed. I will advise you to take a tour to study their source, the 'holy books', read from the Sunnah as recorded by Bukhari, Muslim, Ishaq, and Tabari - Islam’s earliest and more trusted sources. I was indeed trouble to know how somebody will be willing to kill himself and others to justify a cause. So I took a time to study those works and it was revealing. In my search, I wanted to know if its the people that has made a terror of their religion or the other way. I discovered tonnes of facts. I will not want to stir any controversy on this thread, I will not want to offend some people so I keep them to myself. I will advise any  muslim who hold an opposing view to that of boko haram, hamas, alqaeda etc to also take time to study all these books. There is a big gap between perception and truth! God bless you.
Politics / Re: In Your Own Opinion, What Is The Solution To The Boko-haram Crises? by okunboy: 10:53am On Sep 05, 2011
kwelluu:

Assalamu alaikum,My name is Umar,to star with,m not a member of BH,lol,but I need to clarify one basic thng(NIJA doesn't belong to any1)nd for the other dude that was qouting hadith nd a verse frm d Holy qur'an,I must say m really impressed that u tuk your tym to read ,I studied islamic theology,the ayyah(verse)u quoted nd hadith r very correct!!! your mistake here is wat jihad actulaly means in arabic:[b]The jihad for our generation now isn't about taking up AK 47 nd bombing ourselves,it is bout fighting the temptation that is within us nd fighting in d course of Allah with our wealth(building orphanges free skuls nd other charity orgs) nd intellectually defending nd propagating our religion.[/b]We muslims r over 1.5 billion,just because a few have read d quran nd misinterpreted it doent mean we will take the insults nd blame.Allah s.w.a has said in d quran:there is no compulsion in religion: nd for that please stop painting islam(peace) as a violent religion,thank you

I beg to disagree in view of the following verses:

Qur'an:4:95 -----"Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward."

Qur'an:9:111 -------"Allah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise). They fight in Allah's Cause, and they slay and are slain; they kill and are killed."

@kwellu, the colored phrases, words in the surahs above were to me referring to a physical engagements rather than intellectual one as you have said in your analysis above. Amazing, there are so many hadiths and surahs all pointing to this fact.
The mistakes you pointed out about the jihad that I made was apparently not my words, it is a quote from Noble Qur'an:2:190 Footnote.



nagoma:

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Quote from: auwal87 on Yesterday at 10:33:11 PM
You fail to complete with the next verse;

I believe that people like software are genuine in looking for ideaas to help the government find a solution to security situation in Nigeria. But people like okunboy will always frustrate the discussion by qouting text revealed to urge muslims in Medina in their fight against the disbelivers  of Mecca in the 7th century. They will dismantle whatever peace you suggest while all of us Muslims and non muslims continue to suffer.


@nagoma, if that above is correct, then can we say then that all other surahs are refering to muslims in medina against the disbelievers of mecca in the 7th century? like these ones below:


Qur'an 9:29, "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low." [Another translation says:] "pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection."

Qur'an 5:51, "Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other."


Pls I don't mean to offend anyone here. None of those quotes were any of my word. I will not demean your religion, but when I find something like this qoutes in a holy book,  I need clarification.
Politics / Re: In Your Own Opinion, What Is The Solution To The Boko-haram Crises? by okunboy: 10:53pm On Sep 04, 2011
auwal87:

You fail to complete with the next verse;

And if anyone of the disbelievers seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Quran), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not. (Qur'an 9:6)

That colored quotes means the 'disbelievers' had surrendered so why kill him?, that's magnanimous.


Qur'an:8:39
"So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."



Qur'an:9:29
"Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."


[b
Noble Qur'an:2:190 Footnote:
]"Jihad is holy fighting in Allah's Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite."[/b]

The humble truth my friend @auwal87, if I were a muslim, and I read these kinds of verses in my 'holy book', and I want to be 'good' muslim, I will join boko- haram. But thank God,
Politics / Re: In Your Own Opinion, What Is The Solution To The Boko-haram Crises? by okunboy: 10:08pm On Sep 04, 2011
@OP U may only proffer a solution to a problem you know the root cause. Like all other brutal Islamic sects, they hold the believe found in that 'holy book'. One of such is:

Qur'an:9:5

"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."



So how do you solve this generational problem?
Family / Re: Best City To Raise A Family In Nigeria by okunboy: 9:29am On Sep 04, 2011
This is a very good topic. I am currently faced with this decision. I relocated my family from Maiduguri and they are presently staying with my mother In-law in Ogun-lagos Boundary. I am also planning to move with them as soon as I conclude my leaving my work in maiduguri. So Where will I settle them? I had chosen Ilorin initially. Why? I was born in Ilorin, did my childhood, so I know the terrain very well. The cost of living in that city is also very reasonable. However, I am faced with two factors; one, Ilorin may not have the kind of exposure I intend for my family, level of business is not ok for me,  two, I am doing a business which requires my physical presence in either, maiduguri, Ibadan, or Lagos. I ruled out Ibadan cos of incessant armed robbery cases (I wont run for boko haram gun in maiduguri only to be confronted with robbers guns in another city). Finally, I am sticking my tent in Lagos, not my will though, but my current situation.
Politics / Re: Sss Unveils Suspects Behind Un Building Blast by okunboy: 9:10am On Sep 01, 2011
A first Glance at these pictures should give anybody with eyes in his/her skull that the guys hands were cuffed behind. Even after several posts in this thread tried to explain to those 'blinds' that these guys were cuffed behind, some people are still bent on talking trash about SSS arresting limbless guys. Cant u guys see?
GOSH!!
Romance / Re: How Many Times Have You Cheated by okunboy: 7:09am On Aug 30, 2011
Almost all the ladies posting here said they've never cheated b4. And,
Almost all men posting said they have. So,

Hmmm, ! I guess, it is a men's thing right?
Politics / Re: Okun-yoruba, Ebira Coalition Back Power-shift In Kogi by okunboy: 11:40am On Aug 27, 2011
ekt_bear:

Indeed. Why isn't Okunland still part of Kwara State?

Did you guys kick against it? If not, what were the reasons for the military moving ya'll?

Kogi state as it is today is a composition of people carved out of old kwara, niger, and I think benue state. These people unfortunately have a completely different cultural and historical background. Their political antecedents, biases and affiliations do not cross either. Whatever then the military regime of babangida thought wise to fuse these peoples together can only be explained by himself.
Politics / Re: Okun-yoruba, Ebira Coalition Back Power-shift In Kogi by okunboy: 9:57pm On Aug 26, 2011
This is wat u get unfortunately in most states created by the military. I have always said okun people should not have been fused together with these 'igalas'. Okun should av just been left in kwara, where I believe we are comfortable. Even if there was any kind of alliance between ebiras and okuns, the ígalas' will still be in the majority. Sad truth!

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