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ChristianFreedo:
My brother, that was my last response to you on that subject. If you do not nor like it that way. That's the way it is going to be.

Keep deceiving yourself and continue to cry. Who wants to take you seriously? You can rant. But it is good for you that way because you will soon develop hypertension. Those people you are castigating are free with you, but you have a skeleton in your cupboard which will eventually do more harm to you.

I am already following you here. LIER, PRETENDER, HYPOCRITE.
People like you don't end well in life

ChristianFreedo:
Ok. Let's Just cut to the chase.

Firstly:

This is what you are trying to achieve, you have used these lines of reasoning before in my other post.

1. You want to me to go out to the public, probably the congregation, meet the elders face to face, argue with them.

2. Of course, you know too well that they will try to make me submit to watchtower reasoning, they will "try to readjust my thought" to align with the watchtower thinking

3. Of course, i will not accept it

4. Then, i will be charged with apostasy

5. Then Judicial committee (religious court) will be formed against me for not accept any of Watchtower's teaching (you know the greatest sin any JW can commit is disagree with watchtower teaching, i am assuming you are an elder, because it is the best kept secret)

6. Then I am disfellowship or disassociated

7. Then shunned

OBJECTIVE ACHIEVED:
This is the whole objective of all you argument. Because, you know too well that immediately I am disfellowship or disassociated, shunning kicks in. Then no one will hear what I have to say (whether i am right or not). No one will even say a greeting to me, they will simply pretend I am dead. This way, even if my information can prove life saving, no one pays attention.

Thanks, but no thanks. I know you thought. Your thought are like that of the devil, cunning devising schemes. I am not falling for that trap.

Secondly:
My worship is between me and my God. In the Judgment, it will be between me and Jesus. You cannot mediate, neither will the watchtower organization. So allow God to judge my worship, for it is before his judgment sit I will stand, not yours or the organization. Thanks.

Thirdly:

The bolded statement is entirely yours and yours only. I never claimed nor made the allegation that Jehovah's Witnesses are a set of wrong people. If there is anywhere I have made such a post, I challenged you to show me. My believe is that Jehovah's Witnesses, "the rank and files", are sincere people, they want to do what the bible said (as interpreted by the watchtower). The same is true of many Christians in other religious organization. They are sincere people too.

I bear them witness that Jehovah's Witnesses, like other Christians adherent, have a zeal for righteousness, but only according to what the watchtower says and teaches, not according to accurate knowledge.

There is where the danger lies. The watchtower has been proven time again to be untruthful, dishonest and maintain a double standard, especially where money is involved. As a result, the watchtower has been providing a one sided, dishonest view of matters to Jehovah's Witnesses (the rank and files), thereby leading to imprisonment, hardship and in some cases dead of sincere people that trust their leaders with their lives. Most of the time, watchtower takes advantage of the trust the rank and files have for them to present information that is at best intellectually dishonest.

Please, my problem is not with the rank and files (Jehovah's witnesses). My problem is only with the inaccurate, misleading information and sometimes, outright lies the watchtower teaches. You may what to check my profile picture.Thanks

Can you judge yourself? Just look at your argument. You don't want to be kicked out? So you prefer to play along? I am sure you always do what they prefer and always obey them. You also agree with them in all questionable matters you have raised. Now, how do you think God will feel about you. Give you a thumbs up? When you do according to Jehovah's witnesses doctrine which you see as falsehood but come at the back to discredit same doctrine?

Explain yourself to sincere people who are not Jehovah's witnesses and see how they will feel about you

ChristianFreedo:
You mean call them and get yourself kicked out and shunned for disagreeing with watchtower line of reasoning? Nice try, but I think I'll pass

What business do you have with them? Are you for real? You claim they are set of wrong people and you still belong to them. Is that how God should be served? You mean you agree with them even though you know they are wrong? worshipping God in disguise?

ChristianFreedo:
CONCLUSION

Perception: Positive or Negative perception can play a major role on how we view event around us, whether we choose to participate in an event or not. Let me give 3 real life example.

Example 1: I know of a man that has never wore a Jean. His perception has always been, Jean is mostly used by tout and criminals, in an event where policemen need to effect an arrest, they would most certainly arrest a man wearing Jean, than a person with normal corporate wears. I grew with that perception, never thought of Jean wears in good light, I can remember repeating same line of reasoning to friends.

Example 2: Secondly, I knew of a late Jehovah’s Witness sister that never eat meats. She grew up with the perception that lowly people, servant girls cannot eat meats, that meat is meant for big men and women. Why? She happened to be a servant girl for an unkind woman. She will serve the woman, prepare everything for her, fish, meats and other things for preparing a nice, delicious meal. However, when the meal is finished, the woman will then give them things to use in preparing meal for the servants and meat was never included. So, she grew with the negative impression and when she was later blessed her with a good husband, nice children, houses…she still never would eat meat, because of the negative impressions she had about meat. However, it wouldn’t stop her from preparing delicious meal for her children, visitors and others where meat was included. But she would not eat the meat.

Example 3: Or a situation where a woman has been married for several years without the fruit of the womb. Then, God bless her with a son, the birthday of her Son being the greatest and happiest her life. As written in page 277 of In Search of Christian Freedom, “One of my wife’s sisters has a son, an only child conceived fairly late in the marriage and born with a heart defect. The parents were warned that he might not live beyond the age of two, but surgery performed when he reached that age corrected the problem. As the mother said, “Some people celebrate wedding anniversaries, but to my husband and me the day that our son was born is more precious to our memory even than the day of our wedding.” On that day in each year that passes, she remembers the day as certainly worth celebrating. Can she not celebrate this day, giving glory and praises to God simply because some people thousands of years ago, she does not know and frankly does not matter to her celebrated their birthday and kill someone?

As can been observed, the Jews not celebrating birthday was simply a case of perception, not because God forbade it. The early Christian were mostly Jews, having Jewish custom and therefore would not celebrate birthday. Many today have one or two things they abstain from, simply because of perception, not because it is morally wrong.

Pagan Origin

If we are to go into origin of all that happens around us today, then we will really be out of this world in the name of practicing ‘True Christianity’. God’s law given to the Israelite never forbade birthday celebration in a time the Israelite had moral codes governing almost all aspect of their lives. Surely, Jehovah, the all wise creator could have given such if celebration of birthday was offensive to him. Or did Jehovah forget?
The watchtower places emphasis on the “pagan origin” factor on certain celebrations while glossing over this factors in other areas, such as wedding rings, anniversaries, Pinjatas and names. They also present a negative one-sided view of considerations on birthday/Christmas. This simple amount to double, hypocritical standard.

Bad Event Occurring in Birthday and Idolizing Oneself

One of watchtower’s core argument against birth celebration is based on the principle of guilty by association - that because only Pharaoh and Herod are mentioned in Scripture as celebrating birthdays, and because these were wicked men, therefore the celebration of a birthday is necessarily wicked also. This is certainly a forced conclusion. If, as an illustration, the Scriptures held no reference to marriage feasts other than marriage feasts held by two pagans or non-Christians (perhaps even with some coincidental drunkenness or immorality occurring)—would that make marriage feasts something wrong, unfit for Christians?

The Watch Tower employs quotations about the absence of birthday celebrations by Jews or by professed Christians in early centuries. Is that really a substantial reason for taking a rigid stand? Did the Jews or the professed Christians in early centuries celebrate wedding anniversaries? Would the fact that they did not rule out our doing so today? Jehovah’s Witnesses in many countries regularly do celebrate wedding anniversaries. The idea advanced that birthday celebrations are intrinsically an ‘idolizing’ of the person is an unrealistic categorization. Couples who celebrate a wedding anniversary are not idolizing themselves nor idolizing their marriage.

Like so many other things, it is the way in which things are done, the spirit shown, and this can vary widely. Nowhere in the Scriptures is there any indication of God’s disapproval of birthday celebrations per se. The watchtower is silent in that respect, neither is it mentioned when arguing for or against birthday. It is a case of men presuming to know God’s thinking and making judgments and rulings that God himself has not made.

I do not celebrate birthday, yet I recognized that an exaggerated importance has been attached to them, with celebration or non-celebration being viewed as evidence of superior righteousness, determining whether one is a practicer of pure worship or not.

In all this, I am not advocating these celebrations. I had never celebrated, neither will I start now. I had a negative perception built into me as I grew up a Jehovah's Witness. I simply believe that, viewed calmly and factually, they are matters of minor significance, matters that should be left to the consciences of fellow believers, never warranting the sense of superior righteousness produced by Jehovah's Witness abstention, and certainly never justifying the double standard it has produced in the lives of Jehovah’s witnesses.

Contributing Sources for Further Reading:

1. http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/birthdays.php

2. http://www.cogwriter.com/birthdays.htm

3. In Search of Christian Freedom, pages 274-276 {Download PDF with this link https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxysjvrrfRAhXCLMAKHZKwBWoQFggYMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fchretien.et.homo.free.fr%2Ffichiers%2Frl_rf_2002_en.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGmz_RsULtFUWOtMSMTcKfoKGe-Ng&sig2=kTL6Do0QsfXESWTwMkbmsQ&bvm=bv.143423383,d.d24}

Call the elders in your congregation and table your arguement before them. At least, let them know your view and opinion.
You cant be hiding and claim you are preaching to them.Nobody recognizes an unseen face. Are you an hypocrites?

The owner of MMM right now

When video is not available, it is propaganda + Buhari is Goro chewing burukutu drinker. Now video is available, it is[b] human right [/b].
My people from the other room side

Osezzua:
ok

You mean?

Don't try this at home

This is sad, funny , serious. Honestly, I can't stop laughing. So what was she saying after the hand pulled off?

And non of you remember to mention Danfo

musco4me:
https://www.nairaland.com/3237223/congrt-mr-obasi.from-port-harcourt

I hope ur nt the Mr Obasi

This is the Obasi here https://www.nairaland.com/3538667/cityhood-dada-motors-wont-refund

Goahead:
Are you the FG?

Are you Fayose?

importexpert:
what do you mean by submissions? their is a link in the affiliate jagaban guide to automatically change the price of the domain to 0.99usd. i wish you success.

All domains that I submitted

The guy na book. But if to say na fashion show/industry, Mtn, Fg, etc go dash am cars, houses. But now, na laptop

importexpert:
you will have to be a new customer.

I just registered today but all my submissions are always not $0.99

importexpert:
more affiliate marketing related questions are highly welcome

What is the condition to get $0.99 domain. Because I have not been able to get one on godaddy

importexpert:
ok. i wish you success.

What is the condition to get $0.99 domain. Because I have not been able to get one on godaddy

importexpert:
ok feel free to do so.

Why must I register a domain name when blogger can give me one even though it is not as standard as .com. Will they not accomplish the same result? What of if I use a url shortener to hide the name so that they will not notice if it is bloggers domain

importexpert:
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I will send you a mail

importexpert:
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OK thanks

importexpert:
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I have registered a UK clickbank.
I want to build a squeeze page. But can there be free autoresponder?

ItsQuinn:
Cultural differences that's why

But you won't bother about cultural differences if an American man comes

supereagle:
One thing you can't take away from him ,he was a good affiliate marketing mentor, I was privileged to attend his free training program.

How many years days? If it is a day program, my brother, you don't know anything. Lecky ran away with so many of our people money. He was a serial liar. In fact, Lecky was pure, raw fake.

supereagle:
The person that would have been mentoring us very well in this area is Lecky Hafis ,but he has boxed himself out of circulation. He made real money from affiliate marketing, his one on one training used to be 10k before 2013 . We don't have anyone in his mould again-a perfect trainer of affiliate marketing. I wish he is there to be mentoring people again.

Lecky the authentic scammer?

Julietm:
Please nobody should ever buy the e-book from op he opened similar thread earlier this week and I bought the crapy e-book, I can send it to you for FREE. Just messages me with the subject i need e-book to bray.elliot@yahoo.com
I allowe any nairander to waste his/her on the op crap as i do

They are all the same. I paid 15k because of this 2 weeks ago. After the payment, the same person that had been having enough time to attend to my enquiries for close to 2 months started responding cold during the training. Some times, just struggling to attend to me. She had no time for me again. The thing that pain me most is that. I transferred 10k and she wanted to start the lecture, I told her to wait until I send more money. Now many of the free trials tools I sign up for are wasted.

This is someone I have not met before but based on the activities I know her with and her presence online.

Please send the book to me and let me see.
I sent you a mail already.
Thanks

importexpert:
you are welcome..

Can I have more than one clickbank accounts?

importexpert:
kindly use a u.k clickbank account..

OK thanks

importexpert:
what country is your clickbank account?

USA

When there are 2 bad situations, one will still be better. It is better to cancel a trip than to begin to announce some funny things when you are halfway to your destination.