₦airaland Forum

hardballripplez:
This is my point . There is great confusion in the polity. And in the bible it is stated that God is not the author of confusion. If there can't be an agreement on the person of Jesus. Is he a man or a God or a prophet ? Everyv christian has his own definition of who Jesus is. And if there are great confusions in what parts of God's word to believe and what part to disbelieve in, then this shows that this religion is not from God. There's only one version of the Quran everywhere u go. It has nothing to do with democracy. If a Muslim should say he disbelieves in certain portion of the Quran then he's not a Muslim anymore. Coz you can't call God a liar and still say you believe. Why shouldn't every Christian believe in all sections of the bible ? Does that mean that there are certain portions that don't sound logical and if I may ask. Who inspired these portions. Was it God?.

Another question I have for you has to do with the tower that was being constructed to reach God. When God changed our language according to the bible . Do you believe in this story? Or do you think it was cooked up. The Quran emphatically stated 1400 years ago that people will do space travel

The same thing you were looking for was the same these people looked to see. Do you know what it was? THE SIGNS TO PROOF THAT JESUS WAS ALMIGHTY GOD. The toil night and day just for them to be told by Jesus Christ that, he was the MESSIAH but he didn't. And when he did all the things that had not been done on Earth in Israel, the almighty God who can't share his glory with nobody even his most trusted Lucifer who betrayed him and disobey him didn't get a second chance. This same Jesus Christ broke all the rules of mosaic law. He said love God first with all your life and everything in you must be dedicated to God. He said love your neighbor as yourself and no more an eye for an eye. He said, one man and one woman as husband and wife. He healed the sick on Sabbath day, he opened the eyes of blind, he woke up the dead after four days the dead body had being buried in the grave. He mentioned there no marriage in heaven but all faithfuls are sons of God. HE said ISRAELITES ARE gods (children of almighty God) He said I AM RESURRECTION AND LIFE. AND THE MOST SHOCKING REVELATION WAS WHEN HE SAID before Abraham was, “I AM". Jesus Christ self revelation was enough to make them see who he was. But they were looking for a giant as God,who sit in heaven and thundered with his voice for the whole Earth to tremble. Yet the account of Bible mentioned God visiting Adam, Moses mentioned,God showed him his hands and back in his glory. CAN YOU CALL SUCH ANGEL? CAN YOU CALL SUCH A MAN? The way of knowing Jesus Christ isn't by force but by contrite spirit, having forgiving heart , caring , humility etc before Jesus Christ dine with such person. All other account that men made were for pride. Period. Read the personal quoted account of Jesus Christ. You will be amazed

hardballripplez:
And how would you describe judas? Isn't he a savior also? If he didn't betray jesus how would Jesus have been crucified? Although Jesus was very popular then and didn't actually need anyone to turn him. They knew his facial features, yes.

Did Jesus Christ really had Facial features? I want you to describe the features on Jesus Christ's face. Have read the passage in the Bible on Jesus view before Jesus Christ was betrayed by Judas and his proclamation on such personality? Jesus Christ pointed out in the Bible that , it would had been better for such person not to be born. Judas did what he did because he became over possessed by the spirit of the devil. And it was ordained that his blood was the only redemption blood.

hardballripplez:
I am talking about the Catholic bible. Why is it different from the protestant bible . An mind you, there are more Catholics than protestants in the world.

Even the JEHOVAH WITNESS GROUP DISAGREE WITH CERTAIN PART OF THE BIBLE. DOES IT CHANGE ANYTHING? OF COURSE NOT. IF ISLAM IS ALLOWED TO BE DEMOCRATIC IN IDEOLOGY, HOW MANY VERSION DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE EXISTED? LIKE I HAD EARLIER MENTIONED, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR FLAWS AND THE ORIGINAL HEBREW VERSION STILL EXIST. WHY TROUBLE YOURSELF WITH LATIN VERSION? THE CATHOLIC MEMBERS HAVEN'T TOLD YOU THEY AREN'T FOLLOWERS OF JESUS CHRIST, HAVE THEY? PERIOD...

hardballripplez:
What you fail to realise is that we are not talking about just any book here. Ofcourse as humans we err and forget, and make mistakes when we give accounts. We are talking about the book of God. Not a book sanctioned by a mere mortal . And come to think of it, there are variations to who gave Jesus up. Some account said it was judas and other accounts say no it wasn't him. If I may ask you, will you term this mere variations?
Likewise there are different accounts as to when Jesus was actually crucified. Let's take one moment to be objective . If I asked you why the Catholic bible has extra 7 books and why the protestant bibles don't believe in those books. What answer would you give me? Would it be that the Catholics have another different God who gave them totally different books? It is very much different in Islam that we follow the same book, it doesn't have variations and likewise, there is nothing like different accounts for the same story.

The man who gave Jesus Christ up was Judas. If like the truth, believe it and if you seek something else,you will find lies behind it. Whatever people claim from any quarter, I don't see it as having effect on the relationship between Jesus and his followers at heart and not people who believe in killing the weak and the oppressed. The mention of seven book of Moses, isn't new because it involves the old way of connecting to God. With all form of sacrifices involved. Nevertheless, it still doesn't change anything. If you seek power, you can get one. But mind you, the book is dangerous because it is either the person use it to kill himself or herself or someone else while such person will be tormented spiritually. Unclean hands and heart that use that book end up being destroyed by the power in the Book. I don't like truly like people taking my advice because such won't know the value of the advice. So, if anyone truly want to get the book. Let him or her go get it. Period

Eastwalk:
OLU317 come and cc oo

Laughing seriously. Why disturb my peace Eastwalk? Bini Kingdom that British ravaged in comparison with Yoruba kingdom that British colonialist used persuasion to adopt her sovereignty. Have you forgotten that the general governor who resided in Lagos went on foot to Ibadan /ILE IFE to mediate on the warring faction of Ekitiparapo and Ibadan warriors ? What happened to the Bini kingdom after this mediation and the rest of Nigeria's acclaimed self glorified kingdoms ? The op has no true knowledge of our(Yoruba) history and Bini People. Even in the Bini palace, their aristocrats used Yoruba as their Franca lingual for hundreds (100)of years. I am not interested in all these cork and bull story

9jakool:
No need to get overworked with what I said. Maybe the word "sibling" isn't the right word. I'm just noting obvious similarities. OK?

I am not against the connection because 66% connection which shows Yoruba had link with many group of people outside of their boundaries but not as deeply as if we are the same stock apart from the first being's lineage called ADÁMỌ or whatever names he is called by other people as the first created man . Traces of hominid speaks of it all. No bad blood my dear bro, I am just trying to inform too.

hardballripplez:
Variation?
What do you call this : when he said the people with him heard the voice of Jesus and sae the light .But in another place , he said no one heard the voice except him . Is this a kind if variation ? How cone jesus never taljed about him. Ofcourse it's easy for Jesus to say. Ok Paul will come and will establish Christianity. Why not anything about him . ?

I am very sure you know that even if you narrate a story five minutes or less ago. On your second account of the same narration of the same story will never be 100% accurate. So, stop all these unnecessary stress on things even you can do.
Alfas,Imams,Sheiks,Pastors,Reverends,Priests,Prophets etc will quote the Quran or the Bible and explain it accordingly. Even after explanation non of these clergy men can repeat whatever he had said, word for word. This is the bitter truth. Lastly, Jesus Christ didn't reveal himself to the entire country when he came but to his messengers and during his teachings as well as miraculous period he engaged himself in doing. If Jesus Christ had called his disciples and told them, he was the Hidden God of Abraham, who among them would have believed? Non. If Adam that God visit in his glory didn't obey God, how will be possible for the descendants of Adam lineage believe? Jesus Christ is not magician because he knows the heart of every individual and will always gradually reveal himself so that such individual's heart will be fearless and believe in HIM. There are so many things you will not understand about the Bible and specifically Jesus Christ and the New Testament if you read it as normal book or account of the LEVANT .Lastly, Paul existed for a purpose and he fulfilled his purpose without using the SWORD but the WORD of JESUS CHRIST. Irrespective of your criticism, the Holy Bible remain as the TORMENTOR to the HATERS and UNBELIEVERS because of the question of WHO OWNS THE WHOLE PLANETS? And in the Bible you will find the ETERNAL TRUTH TO REAL SALVATION.

9jakool:
Glad to see an Igala person on the thread. I think Igala and Yoruba are just long lost siblings that diverged a long time ago and separated by the Niger river. Sometimes when I hear an Igala person speaks, I can pick up a lot of words, even a whole sentence sometimes. Even words I don't understand sound like it could be familiar. The tonality of Igala is pretty much similar to Yoruba. Here are some lit of similar words
English Yoruba Igala

Amen ase-ache

Arrow ofa ofa

Barn (store house) aka aka

Battle ogun ogwu

Beans ewa egwa

Bitterness ikoro rikoko

Black dudu edudu

Blood eje ebie

Bone egungun/egun egwugwu/achiku

Box apoti akpati

Bird eye ewe

Build ko ko

Cake akara akara

Canoe oko-ojuomi oko-eju omi

Clock ago/agogo agogo

Rooster akuko aiko

Come wa wa

Cough iko uko

Court ile-ejo unyi-ajo

Crocodile oni onye

Dance ijo ido

Days ojo ojo

Dead oku ukwu

Divide pi kpe

Dog aja abia

Drug ogun ogwu

Ear eti eti

Eye oju eju

Count ka kaluka

Feather iye iwe

Female obirin onobule

Fire ina una

Fish eja eja

Flesh eran-ara oro-ela

Flute fere ufele

Food ounje ooje

Fowl adiye ajuwe

Freedom ominira ominolami

Go lo lo

Goat ewure ewo

Gong agogo agogo

Grave iboji ofoji

Guinea fowl awo awo

Herbalist onisegun/ashogun achogwu

Hand owo owo

Head ori oji

He-goat obuko obuko

Hide farapamo folakpama/maja

Hoe oko ukoche

You iwo uwe

Hunger ebi ebi

Hunting ode ode

Husband oko oko

I want to eat mofejeun najenwu

Kill pa kpa

Knife obe obe

Lamb aguto aguto

Leg ese ere

Light ina una

Load eru adu

Masquerade eegungun/eegun egwu

Moon oshupa ochu

Mother iya iye

Mouth eenu alu

Musician akorin akeli

Name oruko odu

Next tomorrow otunla otona

Nose imu imo

Ocean okun iteku

Palm tree ope(okpe) ekpe

Palm tree branches imoope imaekpe

Pick ko ko

Pitifully lonely oshosho ochocho

Police olopa anokpa

Prayer adura aduwa

Pull fa fa

I am ok arami ya olami ya

Red pupa ekpikpa

Ridges ebe ebe

Road opopona ona-okpakpa

Rock apata apata

Rope oku ikwu

Season akoko/igba egba

Shade iboji ubojima/olubo

Shadow ojiji ojiji

Shoulder ejika ojika

Ok I didn't realize the similar cultural phenomenon like for dying children.
Yoruba Igala
abiku abikwu
I thought this concept only exist in Yoruba. Yoruba like to think that Ebira is the closest ethnic group to Yoruba, but I think that's due to the proximity with Ebira. The sooner we can widen our head from the generalized view of Northerners as Hausa or Hausa-like groups, the more we can broaden our horizon.

Yoruba are never lost siblings of EBIRA or Igala. Does Igala have knowledge of IJAMA writing ideology? Have you checked the development of Yoruba language from the inter land/rural areas? Have you checked alphabetic arrangement and letters being used in Yoruba land in Samuel Johnson book on “ Yoruba from The earliest time ". There isn't any need of this revision on Yoruba history. I don't know where you grew up and your family lineage but Yoruba noble and kingly families had thousands of people from the north who were used as SLAVES in the ancient times. Most of the mentioned here are all modern Yoruba word that existed when Oyo reigned in the 16th century upward. There isn't any iota of doubt about there was connections but not in siblings manner. Let me inform you and many who shared this untruthful idea that I still have knowledge of a families whose GENEALOGICAL SLAVES SERVANTS STILL EXISTS TILL DATE. They are even FULANI SLAVE SERVANTS. AND ALL SPEAKS YORUBA LANGUAGE. CAN YOU TELL ME THEY ARE YORUBA SIBLING ? Every group in Nigeria have their own story. In my lineage, we had Igala lineage that served my Patrilineal grands parents in the past 100s of years .Period!

ebby9z:
You're wrong. Very wrong. Your submission is premised on a very flawed principle. Doing what the others do doesn't make you different, irrespective of who started it. If someone assaults me physically and I retaliate immediately in like fashion, can I still file an assault and battery case against him in court? No. What I'm saying is you don't justify your action with a precedence from the other party. If you do something wrong, it's because you had it in you, not because someone did it first.
Moreover, this is an educative thread about Yoruba history and culture, a Yoruba is the last person I expect to introduce shameless and crass tribalism here. You know what? I'm a young person but I have this extreme disdain and rupugnance for those whose one purpose on Nairaland is is to check names and argue about tribes. I think they are senseless and totally ignorant. And it's shameful when people supposedly older engage in it

This is my last submission on this so I won't derail the purpose here. Let some one loved by your family get killed fighting for his country and one slowpoke else where from another tribe or ethnicity call him a senseless name. Then I hope to see your reaction. And I am definitely sure, you are in the like manner of Gov. Aregbosola attitude who couldn't see equal justice against the aggressor when issue happened at ILE IFE in the recent past days. After all, his lukewarm action gave the security agents the opportunity to rubbish his office as the chief security officer of his state. You just reminded of the kind of Yoruba that the Ibos tagged “COWARD" online. Have you knowledge on what is referred to as anger management? If someone vent out his or her anger online based on self experience, does it mean, he shouldn't do so? Have you seen many propaganda being spread around by some Ibos? I am tempted to infer here that you aren't Yoruba. Period.

hardballripplez:
How ? Currently i am not. You could add me on instagram

You don't need to prove anything about your location . All about whining... However, the Hutu and Tutsi war were all for POLITICAL CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT and has nothing to do with JESUS CHRIST. ANYONE CAN USE THE NAME OF GOD OR CHRIST NAME TO COMMIT CRIME,STILL DOESN'T MAKE THEM DOING THE WILL OF GOD. I hope you get the thrift.

BankeSmalls:
Just like Kaduna Chukwuma Nzeogwu, the Yorubas ignored his Delta origins and Hausa name and baptised him Igbo just because you wanted to kill igbos.

Sounds familiar?

Is chukwuma Nzeogwu not an Ibo man again? A bloody Ibo man he was. Do you even know he died fighting on the side of Biafra in an ambush? And the only one given Nigeria's Military burial recognition..... You are a joke!



Despite the fact that Nzeogwu was now technically an enemy soldier killed in combat against the Nigerian army, Gowon ordered that Nzeogwu's body should be flown to Kaduna and buried with full military honours – even as the war raged on in the Eastern Region.
Even in death, Nzeogwu was still respected by federal and northern troops. Domkat Bali referred to him as:
“a nice, charismatic and disciplined officer, highly admired and respected by his colleagues. At least he was not in the habit of being found in the company of women all the time messing about with them in the officers mess, a pastime of many young officers then….we believed that he was a genuinely patriotic officer who organised the 1966 coup with the best of intentions who was let down by his collaborators….If we had captured him alive, he would not have been killed. I believe he probably would have been tried for his role in the January 15 coup, jailed and probably freed after some time. His death was regrettable ".

hardballripplez:
It is all over the news that the US helped create Isiss. It all started in Afghanistan when the Americans fought soviet Russia by proxy. I will upload the screenshot and you'll see how many people died in that Genocide. you will be able to read where it is written, 'The army of christ"

It is obvious you live in Naija....

hardballripplez:
Who wrote Exodus? of course not Moses. why does the catholic bible have 7 extra books than what u have? Did you read about the account Paul gave when he said Jesus called him ? the accounts varied. same incident reported without any consistency. why do some bible verse have more chapters than the others? The holy ghost can't tell the Catholics to remove the 7 extra books? Our description of Allah does not go beyond what we are told. This is because no eyes have seen him. describing him in ways other than what he has described himself does not befit him, even if those attributes seem good to us. wise up. There are countless unknown writers of the bible. many bible verses without anyone knowing who the authors are. don't base your faith on a made up religion. Remember the day you will be lowered into the grave, it will be you alone, no one will follow you into the grave. yu will be questioned alone. I hope you will have a rethink. and I am open for debates at your church if you will invite me. will be with your pastor.

You seems to like history but you have little knowledge of it. Variation is certainly true when it comes to transfer of oral history. This is borne out of pride or lost in due long period of time due to unwritten record. Even you as a person, if someone narrate a story to you,the manner of your interpretation will be different from the narrator. So, live with it.... The power of resurrection of JESUS CHRIST IS WHAT MATTER AND HIS DOCTRINE OF LOVING GOD AND LOVING MANKIND AS ONESELF. IF YOU ARE NOT FROM THE NORTHERN PART OF NIGERIA, COUNT YOURSELF LUCKY BECAUSE IT IS ONLY THOSE WHO ARE RELATED TO THE ISLAMIC SCRIBES THAT HAVE BOTH WESTERN AND ARABIC/QURANIC KNOWLEDGE. THIS IS ALSO THE SAME IN THE ARAB WORLD. WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN? IT IS BECAUSE TO MAINTAIN SUPERIORITY OVER NON KINGLY OR NOBLE FAMILIES FROM GETTING CLOSE TO SEEING THE TRUTH. THE REALITY IS THAT CHOICE IS WHAT GOD WANT AND NOT ROBOTIC FOLLOWERS WHO WILL LOVE HIM WITH THEIR LIPS BUT DO OTHER THINGS IN THEIR HEARTS AGAINST OTHER HUMAN BEINGS

hardballripplez:
How many wars did Jesus fight in? The bible wasn't compiled during the time of Jesus. the bible was made up later on. so we can't be sure about the stories of Jesus as portrayed in it. from what we see from the bible, it calls to violence and immorality.
It is funny when you say you are conversant with the Rwandan genocide. You read and listen only to what reinforces your already held beliefs. There was a massacre orchestrated by the army of christ. They were fighting for christ. I am not the one twisting history here. people who survived this massacre gave accounts of what happened. go back and read more history. The comparison you made doesn't fit. You are talking about the number of jews killed, ofcourse I never said I approved of what Hitler did. My point was that the Christian army nearly wiped out the entire Hutu population. Over 70 percent. This is not made up, check wikipedia.

Army of Christ indeed! Google and show a convicted or any one who said the fight was for Jesus Christ. Despite the fact that he came in less than 2500 AD, when so many people had been practicing different religion and all manner of fake gods yet this Jesus Christ is the most read about in the history of mankind. Even in China, they persecute Christians yet many still held on to their Jesus. What about Arab countries/Mid East , where they won't allow Christianity to thrive, what happened when ISIS came? Kurdistan Christians with the help of American Christian government helped subdued ISIS this far and other organizations who sees the rest as Kafir. Embrace the truth my dear. The man God Jesus Christ is the greatest gift of all times. Jesus Christ doesn't force or compel you to love him because it is a matter of choice. The ball is place in your court, do justice to the direction you desire it.

hardballripplez:
Ofcourse God gave a clear description of Himself.
He says: Allah! There is no god but He - the Living, The Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him Nor Sleep. His are all things In the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede In His presence except As he permitteth? He knoweth What (appeareth to His creatures As) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass Aught of his knowledge Except as He willeth. His throne doth extend Over the heavens And on earth, and He feeleth No fatigue in guarding And preserving them, For He is the Most High. The Supreme (in glory)."

in another verse he says:
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.
Lol. Paul who never ever in his life met Jesus wrote all these about Jesus because he knows people like you would believe. No wonder your pastors keep deceiving you in the name of fake miracles. if you are truthful , and I am sure u have some holy ghost. why not schedule a debate with us. what is the name of the Church? I'll come with some of our brothers in sha Allah. we will expose the lies of Paul. Jesus never taught all these. Jesus never asked to be worshipped. Jesus as a messenger of God would never equate himself with God. never will he do such. He performed miracles not by his own might. Jesus does not know what is hidden. Jesus has no power. All Power and might belongs solely to God. Dude, why worship a man born of a woman like you? Does being Christian mean one shouldn't be able to use his thinking faculty again?

Allah says about Jesus: Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was

I hope you embrace the religion of truth. thousands of former pastors and powerful men in Christianity have left the religion of paul, many are still leaving right now. it's all over the news. Paul asked you to have faith without thinking or verifying info. I sincerely hope it won't be too late for you to accept the truth. But Only Allah guides to his religion.
Allah says: We have certainly sent down distinct verses. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path.

What you just referred were similar to OLD TESTAMENT. HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN THE DESCRIPTION OF ALMIGHTY GOD IN YORUBA HISTORICAL RECORD VIA ODU? YOUR KNOWLEDGE ON THINGS AND DESCRIPTION OF GOD DOESN'T GO OUTSIDE AL QUARAN YET, THE ACCOUNT OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD STATED HE MET LEADERS OF CHRISTIAN FAITH. PAUL WAS A SLAYER OF CHRIST FOLLOWERS BECAUSE THEY CALL THEM PERVERSE AND LIARS. DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW PEOPLE HAD KNOWLEDGE OF CHRIST? THE JEWS WHO PRACTICE JUDAISM WHO REFUSED TO FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST KNEW ALL THE STORY, SO PAUL'S ACCOUNT IS ONLY PART OF IT. IS PAUL THE ONE WHO WROTE MATHEW etc ? Do you even know how many chapters Paul got account and compile? The Old Testament was given to Moses, was Moses there in the beginning? Of course not, so, shake away from this glaring truth that can't be quenched. It is too real to doubted. Despite the destruction of King Solomon temple, he built for God, it still exist, doesn't it? Have you not seen it? So, true is Jesus Christ more than the earthly Temple. Jesus Christ will live in your heart if you allow and he will guide you to all things..... So, awesome to behold...

YonkijiSappo:
Binis call Ooni Oghene ke?
Isn't Oghene God in Urhobo?

BINI IN THE ANCIENT REFER TO “ONI" AS OGHENE WITH IT ANCIENT MEANING AS GOD and father...The URHOBO SUSTAIN THE WORD TILL DATE IN REFERENCE TO ALMIGHTY GOD. URHOBO MIGRATED OUT OF BINI/EDO KINGDOM

hardballripplez:
Dude I follow Jesus. As Muslims, we believe in His miraculous birth, in the miracles that God did through him. But Jesus was just an ordinary man. nothing special about him. Muslims are the real followers of JESUS,WE FOLLOW HIS TEACHINGS. Dude, May God guide you to the truth if you truly you seek it. JeSUS DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONNECTION WITH CHRISTIANITY nor the bible and I hope you know that? Christianity is the religion of Paul, and the Bible is the book invented by Paul for his religion.
I will be glad to send you a copy of the Quran if you willing to read it. and secondly if you don't mind, if I could know your church I will be glad to bring some brothers to have a discussion about Islam and CHRISTIANITY WITH SOME OF YOUR PASTORS. Kindly let me know if you will be interested. There is no need to be shy, the truth will be laid bare when we visit in sha aLLAH

Allah says in the Quran: It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).

Do you even know the meaning of Christians? If you seek the truth about Jesus Christ,then you will see the power of his resurrection. The POWER OF HIS RESURRECTION is the difference between him and Moses and all other acclaimed Prophets. Do you not know Moses was close to God?, And Still Moses parted the sea, was given the commandments, was the one who introduced God"s name as “I AM", was the one that made God to give food to the children of Israel from heaven etc. Despite all these, Moses blundered with anger and he did not enter Canaan land. Do you know Moses dead body was not buried but taken by God? . How can you now call JESUS CHRIST ordinary man? A man who called John the Baptist as Elijah who didn't die but was taken in a chariot of fire to heaven as the least in the kingdom of God, is that an ordinary man ? Who has seen how heaven looks like apart from Jesus account? A man who was tempted by the devil three times and the devil ran away, is that an ordinary man ? who has seen God before except Jesus Christ? Who was the one who gave the description of God except Jesus Christ? Even the angels don't have the description of God, Yet you call Jesus Christ ordinary. A man who say it and it came to pass, a man who woke four days straight dead man, a man who made himself equal to God, a man who opened 38 years old born blind, a man who told a centurion that his faith has healed the centurion child without seeing the child and so it was, a man who charged his disciples and his followers with a perfect commandments of loving God absolutely and the second commandment as loving your neighbor as oneself. How dare you call that ordinary? God and learn about Jesus through his personal contact. And you will marvel at the rate in which he explain to you things beyond your imagination. Get acquainted with Jesus and be free from your doubtful thoughts about MASTER JESUS....

hardballripplez:
THEY KILLED OVER 70 PERCENT OF THE ENTIRE hUTU POPULATION AND YOU CALL THIS A CHILD'S PLAY? be realistic dude. They killed for christ .

Death is inevitable. I am really perturbed at the pattern in which you read because there were comparison between I drew the child's play descriptive term. Assuming, it was 6000,000, Jews that were slaughtered and 800,000 hutus. Do the ratio. You will understand who had lost more. Having opined this, doesn't mean, killing is good at any reason. However, you seem to like propaganda because I wonder where you got your inf from. I am well conversant with Hutu and Tutsi war. I am very very conversant with it. I read the news when it was happening, the movies to the effects and the United Nations's envoy who was a military personnel who even shed tears when he told the story of the mass gruesome murder of children and women . They even went to church to bring out people to be killed. How come you want to twist the story? what killing for Christ? How many war did Jesus Christ fight? How many human beings did Jesus Christ killed with sword ? Go and learn frère

hardballripplez:
And bro, The black Americans won't want to live here. We have not done enough to encourage anyone to come back home. They read about all what we do in the newspapers. African leaders are not encouraging at all.

The truth is that black Americans who are indigenous and educated are mostly noise makers about their love for African continent. The same continent they won't come is the same continent the South Africa Boers came and settled, the same South Africa Jews settled, the same continent, South African British white citizens settled down taking into consideration the risk attached to slave trade by the Europeans masters . And the same continent, the white racists whom some non studious here on Nairaland and the likes of those who agree with Walter Rodney who knew how the same white underdeveloped Africa still won't come and do anything to help their crying Africa. The most annoying answer is that the same white guys are the one helping Africa in a little way to develop Africa through investment but the Africans whom they want to help will sit tight as Demi god in government offices in a perpetual chronological corrupt bloodline related arrangement e. g Mugabe, . Still, the same white men doggedly bring their money and take all the risk available to invest while the colour Africans will either cry of witches all over Africa or fear of being killed as if some people are immune to death . Between a conspicuous and different white skin in comparison to a colour skin that is a bit non recognisable by indigenous African descents criminals because of skin colour , who ought to fear more? The truth is that you will find a relatively self made who couldn't worth more than 2,000,000$ adorn himself or herself with all form pride as if he or she is worth 2,000,000,000$ and you will find their counterparts of white background being that are moderately doing well without being flamboyant and still investing their money. It isn't as if the white group don't have their own short coming too. Of course they do but Africans in America need to wake up and bring their earned experience back to develop Africa continent. It is that bad.

weedtheweeds:
I stand for truth. Even if you have to die for it. Saying I sinned and asking for forgiveness and understanding proves our imperfection and no Christian will hold you guilty cos we have all sinned. My case is the lopsidedness of our biased judgment. Granted, every of my acquaintances would have kill Stephanie Otobo. I had to come to her defense, though I do not in any way endorse what she did. I have spoken out for him and againt=st him when I sense lopsidedness in some comments. If you read my posts lately I have tried to expose the hypocrisy of Islam. They have been attacking me back and forth, but I'm cool with it. For those of them reading my post
Koran 2:191 "Slay the unbelievers whenever you find them."
Koran 3:28 "Muslims must not take the infidels as friends."
Koran 3:85 "Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable."
Koran 5:33 "Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam".
Koran 8:12 "Terrorize and behead those that believe in scriptures other than the Koran."
Koran 8:60 "Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels."
Koran 8:65 "The unbelievers are stupid; urge all muslims to fight them."
Koran 9:5 "When opportunity arises kill the infidels wherever you find them."
Koran 9:30 "The Jews and Christians are perverts, fight them."
Koran 9:123 "Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood."
Koran 22:19 "Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water, melt their skin and bellies".
Koran 47:4 "Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.

This is why the president doesn't care about the carnage committed by the Boko haram and the Fulani herdsmen. The Imams sponsor these terrorist groups and they get their support from the politicians.

This is indeed an eye opener. It definitely show the depths in which some people want to forcefully dominate the world.

I am not angry, and I don't even live in Nigeria neither do I get fed by the anyone in Nigeria. I only speak for the love I have for Ife, the city where I was born. I expect the Ooni to atleast say something about this loop sided arrest. The Hausa Emirs would be quick to speak out against such injustice if the tables were turned, why should our own case be different. It is an embarrassment to indigenes of ife that a royal father who is also a great grand son of a previous Ooni (Lawarikan Ademiluyi, the Ooni before Aderemi) was among those being paraded as criminals in Abuja.

Haaaa! hmm, it is indeed an insult on our heritage. It is also saddening that such prince will be paraded. However, I am 100% sure Yoruba at the Federal government security agencies won't fold their hands to this perilous challenges. By the grace of our forefathers almighty God, they shall become free very soon. The Nigeria of today isn't a country at all but aberration.

hardballripplez:
This doesnt even address the issues I rasied. Yes Islam acknowledged the coming of christ. Christ was a messenger like any other messenger. He was a worshipper of God who doesn't sing, nor dance to musical instruments as a form of worship, Instead he worshipped by putting his face on the ground.

The issue I raised was why did God in the Bible, and why did Christ himself preach and teach violence? and again, I will put forth some bible verses for you to contemplate. And yes, the Bible says kill infidels. why? beacuse they don't believe in the God that you worship.

Deuteronomy 17

If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Kill you family members:
Or Deuteronomy 13:

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

Or Numbers 31, where God commands the Israelites to attack Midian and kill all the men, all the married women and all the male children but to keep the virgin females as the spoils of war and distribute them among the soldiers. The reason offered for that barbarism? Two Midianite women had allegedly “tempted” two Israelite men to worship other gods.

jesus asking for people to be killed. innocent people at that
New International Version
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

Jesus talks about his real mission on earth.

These are just few for you to digest. I shall post more soon. In sha Allah

My friend, it is obvious you are looking for Christ to come into your life and it is a good thing to seek out his personality. However, you still need to study because you behave exactly like the Israelites too when Jesus Christ told them that he (Jesus) and God are one. They pick up stone to kill him. And they later killed Jesus through hanging on the cross but my King Jesus rose up. Then leave your fake crusaders alone because what you are trying to insinuate isn't correct. All the disciples of Jesus were killed in a gruesome way. And all the Old Testament, didn't it affect the children of Israel when he gave them the ten commandments? Didn't Israelites lived in Egypt? Whom do you think God was referring ? My friend go and find Jesus because he is near you and your heart will be at peace.

hardballripplez:
This is hypocrisy. Look it up in books of history. It was ethnic and religious . But had more to do with religion. It was a modern crusade . Army of Jesus" and they believed their mission was to destroy God's enemies.

Nazis/Adolph Hitler war killed about 6,000,000 single ethnic jews and about 18-20 million Russians which Jews were also among. What are you trying to achieve? This children of Africa who can't see the truth but wallow in hatred and keep crying for recognition because much is needed to be done. Kindly plead with your African Americans who are indigenous with over 40,000,000 to come and invest in Africa and built because they claim it as their Home. As this will reduce less killing because of their expected exposure to moderate and modern knowledge in the western world. Are they willing to come back to Africa and live permanently?.. Tutsi and Hutsi was a child's play. Go and study to get more facts.

hardballripplez:
This is hypocrisy. I quoted bible verses where God instructed his messengers to kill women and infants. The example of the amalikites. God asked that a whole generation should be wiped out by his choosen people as you people claimed . It is also recorded in mathew that Jesus asked his disciples to bring his enemies who do not want him to reign over them and shed their blood while he looks. Jesus was also quoted in the bible to have said that he has not come to bring peace into the world . But he was sent to create enmity, chaos and war by making a father and his son enemies. Take a moment to read the bible verses that I have listed and I hope you start by killing those closest to you first.

Don't misinform. The Quran had similarity with the Old Testament to the extent that it even acknowledge the coming of Jesus Christ. But Crusaders were not Israelites but Infidels like Roman,Greeks, Babylonians converts etc when they formed ancient Greece and other regions and this happened when they saw the knowledge in the Bible and understood it literarily before God opened their eyes and confused their language unity. Apart the torment from Moses to the Egyptians in which the Egyptians acknowledge the God of Israel, do you not know how Persians , Assyrians,Babylonians destroyed Israel and carried the princes, prophets , lettered,noble and scribes into captivity ? It's obvious you don't know the Bible because there are even places where the Israelites killed themselves. So, stop this your non studious attitude of Bible. You came online and type what you have no deep knowledge on. Where in the Old Testament is it written that the children of Israel want other nations to convert to their religion? Have you not seen the place in the same Old Testament where oath was taken between Children of Israel and the Woman who allowed Joshua and Caleb to rest in her house and spy the city of Jericho? Have you not read when God rejected Saul when he took all the spoil in the land God told him not take anything but to destroy all? Have you not read what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah? Apart from the land of Canaan God had promised and given to Abram which his children later inherited after destruction of the inhabitants whom were seen by God and using too much of human sacrifices. How many wars did Israelites launched with their own beliefs of overpowering their enemies? Do you know the Israelites are the most battered Race in the ancient times before Christ was born ?, Jesus didn't refer to physical sword but exactly the thing you and I are doing. Precisely, to acknowledge him as almighty God as some of us know him to be while others don't agree with such belief. Have you forgotten that Peter cut off the ear of someone when Jesus was about to be arrested? Didn't Jesus Christ restore the ear back? Do you know that the Israelites were the most killed single Race after the ascension of Jesus Christ to heaven? There are available books you do research on to understand these things.....

BankeSmalls:
Yoruba terrorists again?

They are everywhere. From Ile ife to Ogbomosho to amerika.

Madam, Yoruba aren't terrorists. The said terrorist wasn't a Yoruba man but took up his step father's name as his name.

ItsQuinn:
Yes i'm sure! fake ass couple. They think they're doing us but they are doing themselves.

As far as the case is concerned nobody really know the EXACT TRUTH . EVERYTHING PEOPLE HAVE been SAYING OR SENDING VIA SOCIAL MEDIA ARE ALL SPECULATION. LET'S NOT BE CARRIED AWAY UNTIL TRUTH EMERGE. HAVE YOU KNOWLEDGE OF A MAN CALLED O. J SIMPSON?, No matter,how long lie stay atop ,truth always catch up with it even if it doesn't lead to the exact prosecution. Take it easy lady.

hardballripplez:
.crusades was sanctioned by the bible . A single crusades kills more people than all jihads combined.

Crusade were sanctioned by men who killed the messengers of JESUS CHRIST. And on the long run , the almighty God scattered their tongues and they fought against one another until peace reign in Christianity. Despite Israelites being chosen God's Heritage from Biblical perspective , the wars the Israelites fought against some other nations were never fought for God . But when a prophet, leader or king of Israel give order based on instruction from the revered prophet of God. In some instances when the children of Israel faulted by taking the belonging of these subdued kingdoms if God had instructed them not to do so, they got punished for it. Bible didn't sanctioned it in that manner as you feel.

ItsQuinn:
Rubbish! Let them be deceiving themselves

Are you sure?

slurryeye:
You keep jumping from one point to another like a chicken that has its neck cut off

You challenged Yorubas to provide evidence of where we were living before white people came. I provided you with an evidence that even states that Yorubas are the most talented and intelligent of all tribes in Nigeria but just like I expected, you started rambling about something else. Before I slap you with evidences to disprove what you are using your second mouth to say, I like like to point out that I didn't know you have a 2nd moniker. You must be spending a lot of man hours masturbating and fantasizing to Yoruba rich heritage, history, culture and achievements. In honesty, tell me how many monikers you have on Nairaland.

Now to disprove your wrong assertions



No Yoruba ever told you Ibadan is very old. It is all what is playing in you head. Every Yoruba historian knows Ibadan was founded by Lagelu in early 1800s. It was used as a war camp by warriors from Old Oyo, Ife and Ijebu. Ibadan name was derived from Eba odan which means it was surrounded by hills just like Rome. By the time the white explored the Yoruba hinterland in the mid 1800s, Ibadan has transformed into a metropolis so much so that it was the most populous city in Nigeria at that time.



I can't help but laugh at this your ignorant comment. To answer this your lie, I will quote a statement from Leo Frobenius about Ile Ife. I'm 100% sure you don't know who Leo was. Just fyi, Leo Frobenius was an ethnologist and archaeologist and a major figure in German ethnography. After he discovered the level of civilization and development in Ile ife he couldn't believe there could be a region in sub saharan Africa with such heritage, artistry and organization that he called Ile Ife the lost Atlantis. Below is an excerpt from Leo findings

A hundred years ago when German explorer Leo Frobenius visited West Africa and came across some sculpted bronze heads and terracotta figures, he was sure he had discovered remains of the mythical lost city of Atlantis.
He refused to believe that the sophisticated and ornately carved bronze sculptures were made in Africa.
In his book, Voice of Africa, Frobenius wrote: "Before us stood a head of marvellous beauty, wonderfully cast in antique bronze, true to the life, incrusted with a patina of glorious dark green. This was, in very deed, the Olokun, Atlantic Africa's Poseidon."
"I was moved to silent melancholy at the thought that this assembly of degenerate and feeble-minded posterity should be the legitimate guardians of so much loveliness," he added.
Frobenius was referring to the people who lived in the Kingdom of Ife and whose artists, in fact, created the sculptures over the course of some four centuries. Leading art experts believe they are among the most aesthetically striking and technically sophisticated in the world.
The Ife kingdom was believed to have flourished from the 12th to the 15th centuries in the lush forests of the lower Niger in West Africa in what is today the south western region of Nigeria.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/06/21/kingdom.ife.sculptures/



This is just another expression of bile and hatred from you. You said Yorubas never set the pace of development in Nigeria but you couldn't provide an evidence to show the other tribe that did. Just to let you know, when it comes to setting pace for almost all fields and facet of life, Yoruba set the pace, still setting the pace and continue setting the pace. Is it in Medical field, Literature, Music, Architecture, Engineering, Education, philosophy, Religion etc. Just name the field and see a Yoruba man or woman being the first person or one of the first set of people to have achieved the milestone



Just another bile filled comment from an hater. At this point, I'm not even surprised at all. You say Yoruba has been overtaken in terms of development, education and civilization. Please show everyone with evidence that there is a tribe that is doing better than Yoruba to back up your wrong assertion. See the mistake most of you Yoruba haters do is that you see Agberos and Omo onile and assume that Yoruba youth are not different from others, but the fact remains that for every Agbero you see, there are more than 5 Yoruba young men or women living in developed countries like US, Canada, UK, Australia etc. As a matter of fact, and this is not exaggeration, If you go to these developed countries, out of 10 Nigerians you see, 6 are Yorubas, the remaining 4 are other tribes. Guess what they are doing? Working professionally, studying for post graduate, owning a business etc. So I'm wondering where you got your myopic assertion that Yoruba has been overtaken in those areas. When it comes Industrialization, apart from Lagos which is a Yoruba state, the 2nd most industrialized state in Nigeria by a wide margin to the 3rd is Ogun state. If you wanna know I will provide you with evidences to back it up.

Like I said earlier, stop wasting your time in giving yourself headache about Yoruba heritage, history, achievements and success. There is absolute nothing you can do about it.

Excellent assertion. Stay blessed. God bless Yoruba Race.

GreatManBee:
Thanks. I once met a elderly man in home town, Ondo state precisely. He spoke some deep Yoruba language. My friend and I thought it was an incantation but he told us it's the Ijinle Yoruba language that he was speaking. I was amazed. This Ijinle Yoruba is much deeper and may not be understood by some new age Yoruba people.

You are quite correct about it. This is the reason many of know Yoruba Language developed differently from other languages independently and became more modernised through Western Yoruba axis due to their tonal pronunciation. This isn't a new development though because all languages of the world developed in likewise manner. The Yoruba languages that developed in western Yoruba axis were as a result of the settlements of all groups into one fold which automatically make it more advanced than township or communal set up. Take for instance the archaic Yoruba word for RAIN was Èjì which later turned Ojo. And the two are used interchangeably. Yoruba ethnicity is quite interesting to study with a whole lot unknown things even to the locals. My prayer is that, God will open our eyes to make us see who we truly are .

ElsonMorali:
thank you so much.

UWC

Yoruba tradition has a lot to offer humanity.