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1Sharon:
This makes sense.

Because why would someone bear names like 'kumuyi', 'ikuseka', 'ikujenyo', if they hadn't been plaged by many people they cared about dying around them?

I feel for our ancestors sha. They just didn't understand why those people were dying and they just expressed their emotions and beliefs in the naming of their kids

The examples you mentioned are not necessarily what the names means from its original conceptualization.

Ikúmúyi (lkú mú iyi-death caught this particular one up) or ikú mu iyi(death consume /drank this particular one up) are not the meaning. Rather, ikú mọ́ uyi(death knows this particular one; hence he/she is untouchable) .

Ikúṣeka is same with the purposeful positive translation and not negative of it. Hence death has been curtailed and not death did evil.

Yoruba ancestors are well knowledgeable about their environment and cosmology. So, no name came to be in existence without proper ifa divination,which leads to names that are given in accordance to cirmumstances of any child birth.

The new Mid 1800s when colonialists came led to this distortion by new converts for both Muslims and christians converts which makes people bear names as they like.

Are you aware Elúwa(Olúwa) or Elú(Olú) is a name of Orúnmílà who also bear Ẹlà as a name ? Yoruba ancestors were more cordinated and thorough than the modern day ones.

1Sharon:
How can school uniform be made out of Ankara? Ankara is not sustainable for regular wash and wear.

Lol! Say who ? I guess, you are looking at kind of khaki clothing for pupils or students ? Innovation. Adire or Ankara have patterns that can be used for uniform. It simply means, celebration of Yoruba fabric identity.

Although, you're entitled to your personal view. So, you can disagree. This said clothing material is Yoruba's and making uniform out of it is to carve identity for Yoruba pupils or students

duro4chang:
That is going to be a long issue. let us leave that till other time

Okay.Plainly, any name with ikú is abikú's identity. Itis a fact that Yoruba tradition profess positivism in all challenges, inclusive ikú which is negatism.

Herein, every name given that either is having ikú (prefix or suffix) is absolutely rejection of death in such family.

Kindly know also, there is no shrine for ikú to be worshipped or venerated in ifá. Infact immortality was for humanity in totality but when the laws were broken, then death begun to kill humanity.

This is why, death is seen as a mean of ascending to the abode of the ancestors for reincanation to be once there is a reason for such person or individual who died without fulfilment of his purose on earth, must return back to do such. Hence, Bátundé/Bábátundé came to existence.

Napata77:
Historians and anthropologists have long known that Igbo and Yoruba are just linguistic derivatives of an original shared super language. Other language groups in Nigeria and the West African sub-region may also be speaking derivatives of this ancient super language we once shared.

Nothing proves these connections more than the multiplicity of words and meanings shared by the two ethnic groups, Yoruba and Igbo.

It also proves that there was a time when these two groups were ONE, and that Igbos and Yorubas are brothers and sisters from deepest antiquity.


By Kelechi Wachuku

Linguist & Anthropologist


This isn’t a fully comprehensive list, but these include a fair number of words and other similarities. [1] The Igbo word comes first with the corresponding Yoruba word right after.

Here’s a list of many cognates and similar words:

Animals:

ikwiikwii (Igbo) = owl
owiwi (Yoruba) = owl
agu (Igbo) = leopard
ẹkun (Yoruba) = leopard
adịdị (Igbo) =young female fowl, hen
adie (Yoruba) =fowl, hen
ehi/efi (Igbo) = cow
efon (Yoruba) = buffalo
ewu = goat
ewúrẹ= goat
azụ = fish
eja = fish
enyi = elephant
erin = elephant

Other similar words that may be the result of borrowing (Animals):

toro toro = turkey
tolotolo = turkey

Body Parts/Words Relating to the Body:

ọnụ = mouth
ẹnu = mouth
ire = tongue
ede = tongue, especially in the sense of "language."
ntị = ear
eti = ear
agba=chin
agbọn=chin
ụbụrụ = brain
ọpọlọ = brain
aka = hand
ika = finger
ikiaka = elbow
ejika = elbow
imi = nose
imu = nose
isi = head
ori = head
ụkwụ = foot, leg
-kun in “orokun” = knee
ezé = tooth
eyin/ehin = tooth
afọ = stomach
ifun = intestines
ike = buttocks, anus
ikun = stomach
ọkpụkpụ = bone/skeleton
egungun = bone/skeleton
olu = neck
ọrun = neck
ọdụ = tail
iru = tail

Miscellaneous:

ri = eat
jẹ = eat
bịa = come
wa = come
ogo = height
iga = height
obi = heart, king
ọba = king
ume = breath, energy
imi = breath
also umi in central yoruba (same meaning)
okwu = speech, word, utterance
ohun = voice, utterance
uche= mind
ọkan = mind
úgwù = circumcision
egun = circumcision (seldom used)
ọría = disease
arun/aarun = disease
also related to yoruba aarẹ and arirẹ
ụra = sleep
orun = sleep
nso nso = menstruate
osuosu = menstruate
gba= shoot in igbo
gba = kick in yoruba (used in certain expressions)
ogwu = thorn
ẹgun = thorn
re = sell
ra = buy

Similar Words (likely due to borrowing):

iba=fever
iba=fever

Possible cognates:

ikiri ụkwụ = heel
igigirisẹ = heel
akụ́ = arrow (1 of 2 possible words for “arrow”).
ọkọ = spear

Numbers:

atọ = three
ẹta/(m)ẹta = three
anọ = four
ẹrin/(m)ẹrin = four
Many Igbo words, especially numbers, are prefixed by a “ke-” or sometimes “nke” when they become adjectives. A similar process is seen in Yoruba numbers.
nke atọ, keanọ, keise, nke isii, keọkara = 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, half in Igbo
kẹta/ikẹta, kẹrin/ikẹrin, karun/ikarun, kẹfa/ikẹfa = 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th in Yoruba

Possible Cognates:

abụọ = two
(m)eji = two
Words with “-j-“ in Yoruba (IPA: -dʒ-) frequently evolved from -b-“ in Yoruba as a result of palatalization. So, words like “eje (blood)” were once “ebye.” Thus, “-ji” in “eji” may have at one point been something like “ebye” or “ebyi,” which would be more similar to “abụọ.”

Pronouns:

ọ or o= he/she/it (3rd person subject pronoun)
o or ó = he/she/it (3rd person subject pronoun)
oun/ọ or also un = he/she/it
m/mụ = I/me (1st person singular subject and object)
also mean "my" if put after, say, a noun.
aka m(ụ) = my hand
mo = I (1st person singular subject)
mi = me (1st person singular object)
also mean "my" if put after, say, a noun.
ika mi = my finger
emi = 1st person singular emphatic.
ha = they
(a)wọn = they
ụnụ = you (plural)
ẹyin = you (plural)
gini = what
ki(ni) = what
Land Features/Environment:

ala = land
ile = land in yoruba
okute/okwute = stone/rock
okuta = stone/rock
afufe = wind
ifufe = wind
oyi = cold
oyii = wind in Central Yoruba
osisi = tree/plant
ose = fruit

Similar Words (likely due to borrowing):

ọka = corn
ọkà = grain/wheat yoruba

Possible Cognates:

ji = yam
iṣu = yam
ụwa = earth in igbo
yoruba cognates (iwa, wiwa, hardly used except for in names, like Oluwa); (oni/olu = owner, “oluwa=owner of the earth”), oduduwa (great one who created the earth) (odu=great or mighty one→ god sent down from heaven in ile ife) (pg 148)[2]

Above: Oduduwa

ebe = place
ibi = place
ugwu = moutain/hill
oke = mountain
(m)miri = water
omi = water in Yoruba

Religious/Community Terms:

ute = mat
itẹ=throne in yoruba
ife = to worship, to wave, to adore
ife = love, desire, affection in yoruba
afa = divination, sorcery
ọfọ = mourning, sorcery
ifá = divination
ụlọ=house in igbo
ile/ule=house in yoruba
ilu = city in yoruba
ụlọ mmụọ/ụlọ nsọ = shrine
ileumole/ileorisha = shrine
mmụọ = spirit
ụmọle = another word for any generic god in Central Yoruba
ẹmi also means spirit, life, soul in yoruba
ọlịsa = God in some Igbo dialects
also alụshị/alụsị = minor god in standard Igbo
orisha = god in yoruba
uru = gain, profit
ere = gain, profit
efu = free (adverb)
ofo = free, as in “ṣ’ofo” (yoruba)
osi/isi/esi = cook in igbo
ase = cook in yoruba
apo=bag in yoruba
akpa=bag in igbo

Possible Cognates:

ígwè = iron
ogun = Yoruba god of iron
(eke)le = greeting
(iki)ni = greeting

Family/Interpersonal Words:

ụmụ = children
ọmọ = child
nwa=child
ewe=child, youth in certain dialects
oyi = companion, friend, lover
aayo = favorite, preferable, beloved person, favorite person, favorite wife
ọká=expert or distinguished indivual (oka mgba=wrestler)
ọgá = boss
ọgbọ = age-mate
ẹgbẹ = age-mate
“emeka bu ogbo m(ụ)” (Igbo) = Emeka’s my agemate
“egbe mi ni emeka” or “emeka jẹ egbe mi” (Yoruba)= Emeka’s my age-mate

Note: egbe is now commonly used for group, association, or guild, and in igbo, ọgbọ can mean generation.

oru/ohu = job, labor, duty, employment, slave
ẹru = slave
oke = man, male, masculine
akọ= man, male, masculine
onye = one who, who, person
eniyan = person, human
also ẹni/ọni/ ọniyan in Central Yoruba
ọni can mean “one who” in yoruba, as in “oniwaasu” (preacher/one who preaches)
nwuye = wife
-aya/iyawo = wife
nwanyị = woman, female person, wife
-aya/iyawo = wife
iko = adultery
ọkọ=husband
nta = marksmanship/hunting
ụta = bow in igbo
ọta = marksman, shooter
ịyaa = mother, aunt, term of deference for an elder cousin who was one’s nanny
iya = mother, term of deference for an elderly woman
agha = war
ogun = war
ebo = clan, kindred, lineage, tribe
ẹbi = family

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-similar-words-in-the-Igbo-and-Yoruba-Languages

Kudos. But you need to do further research.For instance, eru is actually ẹnu in Yoruba language across board.

Bọ̀/bọ̀a/bọ̀wá is contracted to wá .

oni/oli (the person) is Yorùba while wasú/wasi is loaned from arabic word.

Yorùba language transcend ibo or igbo eastern group relationship alone because evenCoptic language is closer than with Ibos. There are words found among semitic.

Bọ̀ is Yorùba
Bo is the accurate word for come in ancient Hebrew . While bia is ibo or igbo of eastern Nigeria. All these words are cognate but two are more closer than the three.

duro4chang:
It's not. What it means is that by the time the baby was born an important person died in the family.

My curiousity! How do you see "Ikú", in Yorùba tradition cum religious doctrine ? For educative purpose and knowledge exposure.

cayorday89:
Hmmm, nice one, now I can tell what 'Ikukoyi' means.

Yes.

Babinski:
While I agree with your point on the need for reorientation for people to have a grip of their history, I beg to differ on some of your other points.

1. The mistranslation of names is understandable because a person cannot translate beyond his vocabulary and such translations are not necessarily derogatory. The names of most of the dieties are missing in modern Yoruba vocabulary of most people and so it is only natural they seek meaning through other similar words. For example when the only "Igbe" in your vocab is associated with excreta and doesn't include bush, then how do you translate "Adekogbe" correctly?

2. Your statement on Christian misinformation on naming is wrong and misleading. If there is any misinformation on naming, it is from the people who do not have a thorough grasp of their historical heritage and not any particular religion.

3. Religion is a way of life for some people beyond mere observances and it encompasses what they eat, wear and even how they name themselves and that is seen in the Yoruba people and even Arabians. When religion changes for some people, lifestyles and naming may also need to change. Abdulah and its various forms mean slave or servant of Allah and essentially all Muslims whether bearing that name or not are sales of Allah. So a Yoruba Muslim understably should have no qualms bearing Abdul even when he knows the full meaning.

Of course yes, you may differ on some of these point based on your knowledge but I know better.

Hence, one cannot translate what he thinks it is right but absolutely wrong. So, it is absolutely wrong to infer in that regard that deities names aren't in existence or non captured in vocabularies.

How do you even mean that deities names are not captured in vocabularies ? Is there anywhere Yoruba names are documented manually? Yoruba names are dieties names from time immemorial but christians and other non believers do pay deaf ears to the truth by assumptive derogatory meaning. So blame them all for their individual or collective ignorance.

Therefore the people who should be blamed are not the traditionalists because the Yoruba christians are the ones who want to be smarter than ifaodu preachers or the elders in Yoruba worldview by condemning them.

Igbẹ is not just excrete but also means deep part of forest. So, some Yoruba word can be homonymous nature and not what you confine it to. Adékọ̀gbẹ has nothing to do with excretion . Funny lad.

Your Nos 3 only show your level of Yoruba language. And I wonder if I decided to correct you,I bet you will keep dragging it. No wonder you are linking excrete with Igbẹ Adékọ̀gbẹ

Lastlty, whatever seem right to you, then attend to it from your religion your school of thought. But certainly Yoruba ifaodu is beyond religion. Aptly it is the foundation of Yoruba language and Yoruba's existence with better information on world bothering subjects than other so called Christian and Islamic religion.

CaptainFM1:
When all of us start sending our kids to obodo oyinbo to start learning western culture, we gradually wash away our own roots and tradition. Even our school system and everything we do in Nigeria isn't indigenous anymore. Our preference tilts towards western life, western religion, foreign gods, foreign governance style etc. All these contribute massively to culture eradication.

What is wrong if for example school uniform is made of Ankara or Adire

The very first form of civilization is cultural identity. And I'm sorry to say, we've lost it. All we are doing now is patching up.

Ingenuous obversation. I agree 100% to Ankara or Adire.
I think one day, I may write about this topic on a tabloid or aptly to the authority on it.

Peradventure, you are in a position to do same,then do the write up because this idea of yours in outstanding and needed to be considered.

Judolisco:
someone can be a philanthropist or a good person loved by all and can be named Ikumapayi.... I get your point though

Well , people can bear such name as nickname but originally, the name is an Abíkú name.

Softmirror:
WHAT IS IT THAT MAKES A PERSON A YORUBA? OR SHOULD I SAY WHAT IS IT THAT QUALIFIES A PERSON TO BE A BELIEVER IN THE YORUBA RELIGIOUS SYSTEM?

All the creteria associated with citizenship is same with Yoruba people from time immemorial. There is no room for general descrimination in Yoruba structure.

Yoruba Religion is all about self belief and fellowship in it. Although, in ifa, it is clearly stated that all mankind should follow Yoruba traditional system and must be initiated.

But as it is, not all mankind follow Yoruba tradition or are initiated though, ifaodu says, there is nowhere Orúnmìlà , who is also called Ẹlà at times because the former is a nickname of his. Orúnmìlà overshadowed his real name which is Ẹlà.

Meanwhile, there is another Ẹlà who is known as Ọmọ oyigi oyigi ọtá omi.

1Sharon:
Is okun not the sea? As in tokunbo, Adedokun

Wealth or abundance associated with royalty.

Okùn is sea though Okùn also means wealth, abundance. The sea which ancient Yorubas referred is more than what is literary since it is seen as means of livelihood.

Ajé is also wealth in Yoruba tradition. And Ajé is the daughter of Olókùn who is among Yoruba's pantheon same as ajé.

Judolisco:
what about Ikumapayi?

Kumuyi(ikú mọ́ iyì-death knows this very one),màlọ́mọ́,ikúdẹ̀hindé etc

Judolisco:
what about Ikumapayi?

self explanatory. Same as abiku's. Even Bamidele, Durotimi etc are names associated with stillborn or premature death children.

BanyXchi:
Pls can you tell us more

Ekerlederan died in Ugotton or ughotto or gwatto. His descendants are in succession chief (leader) of Ughotton.

Ekarledaran descendant met the Portuguese who came to Ughotto and to meet Oba Bini in 1485/86. This is well documented in European account in West Africa.So, it's no ludicrous but candid fact.

So, Ekarledaran founded and died in Ughotto. His descendants are still there till tomorrow. Infact, a son of Edo land did research on the port history in Bini kingdom.

pinkysegun:
camel is a desert animal the people you mentioned live in desert the north of Nigeria is connected to desert.
The level of ignorance in this thread is frightening i bet you lot still belive nigeria won india by losing 1-99.
Tigers dont exist in africa at all bit leopard looks like tiger amd tiger is commonly spoken about so its easy to see why people ise ekun for tiger, even as a child back in naija my dad and uncle always told me ekun is leopard but people mistake it for tiger. Even some of you don't know the difference.
Ps english has name for all 5his animals cos they conquered the world and borrowed words expecially from latin. French etc. Just as the yoruba word for french is the yorubanisation of the english word French why the yoruba use a yorubised word of french.
Anyways phrase like tiger of africa are always wrong.
You can chose to open your mind and learn or still drown in your ignorance .

Whatever the reason for your attack on me , simply posits you as non Yoruba. Anyway,what yo read in school is not superior to fact that is not well compiled.

So, enjoy yourself because you think you know and I am not against it. Ride on in your pseudo intellect.

Names with oku/okun as prefix does not mean 'death' but wealth in classic Yoruba language even till in existence.

duro4chang:
I am hearing this name for the first time

No worries. It does happen. I am familiar with Yoruba language, history, cosmology and more.

EmekaA125:
Olakpaade.

An awó ọpa cult's name. The bearer of Ọlápàdé as a surname, had an ancestor/s who were once members of ọpa cult.

Meanwhile, anyone of Christian or Muslim background who gives such name as first name to his son is simply associating self to Ọpa cult. And whoever bears the name need known Ọpa cult's name is what he or she bears as surname or first name.

isan:
Pls what is the meaning of kushimo?

Ẹlẹ́gbẹ Abíkú's name. Known mistakenly by death.

duro4chang:
Are you sure that is a Yoruba name?

Yes it is a Yoruba name

BanyXchi:
Can you see the reply now? Why don't you have some self-esteem? Yorubas like you are the reason why we are insulted. We have nothing in common with them and we are not interested in any trade with them. Abeg leave them alone.

If your father was a prince in Ancient Yoruba settement, then you will not stand to post this nonsense to me.

Obviously, you do not know the value of royalty because, if you did , you will not exclude Oba Bini from Iliefe as a son to Oranyan. Having clarified such , only a bastard will see lies peddled on Yorubas royal father and keep mute.

Do not ever quote me again.

AreaFada2:

Well, Benin already led Midwest out of Western Region concocted by the British and we have stood on our own, thank you very much. You can keep your teleporting Dr Who Oduduwa. Or is it Arabian flying carpet?

The fact is that on 07/01/1952, Alake's statement infuriated non-Yoruba members of Western House of Assembly. On the opening day of parliament no less. Oba Akenzua II led all non-Yoruba members to walk out of the chamber that day. Alake's statement was reckless and an affront. Midwest movement took on more momentum from that moment. Shebi una dey claim over-education? Go and learn your history first.

Or you want to tell those offended how to interpret Alake's statement?

Even Alake ranting in 2016 to rank Obas in Yorubaland didn't even dare to rank himself above Oba of Benin. So what are you saying?

Because Egbaland has produced many heads of state doesn't make Alake rank higher than Owa Obokun, Soun or Timi.

I know you guys do political obaship, even the selection sef na wa.

Of course he probably had too much time to spare and he went about the fruitless journey of mentioning Benin inside Yoruba supremacy battle. I know your hubris and ignorance won't allow you to know the woto woto Alake received in 2016.

Why do Alakes take it upon themselves to infuriate other people minding their own business? In 1952 and again in 2016.

Let Alake openly rank himself above the Olugbo of Ugbo, Oba Frederick Akinruntan and see the woto woto he will get.

Cc Automechanic

Ọ̀gbẹni, you do not know much on the ranking of kings in Yorùba land so, I wont blame you for your error.

Let me inform you that even Oba Bini was not even the first born of Orànmíyàn. Infact e far gan historically.So,dabbling into area you are not even certain, neednt be stated by you in the first place.

Oba Bini is part and parcel of Yoruba king lists and nothing you people can do about.Honestly , I do not like discussion of politics on culture thread if not your disrespect for Obas.

And to correct you permanently, Olúgbó is not even superior to Aláke in anyway even Olúgbó ancestor who was Obamakin was affiliated to Ora ifẹ . But you people love moonlight story

Infact a direct male descendant of Orànmíyàn is also one of the kings in Abẹokuta whose patrilineal ancestor was a direct son to Orànmíyàn and older than Obá Bini.

Make you go learn authentic history.

UGBE634:
Gambia is just about ten thousand kilometre2, about the same size as Edo south with even a lesser population to Edo south. We will stand ALONE and will not be under any group. Benin is over ten times Bigger than Singapore! haba Olu! don't be a fool, from one end of the kingdom to another like URHONIGBE to EHOR to EKIADOLOR to OKADA To ABUDU to IGUOBAZUWA TO UGHOTON, UDO, USEN, haba we are big enough and we will stand ALONE. Benin population cannot be less than 4 million today, more numerous than Gambia and many other smaller African and world countries, If that time comes, we would choose to collaborate with our Urhobo brothers than the threacherous yoruba nation in terms of access to the sea, we don't need you guys for anything, leave our history alone young man. We've made that clear in 1963 by pulling out from your unfruitful union, we will continue to say it, walahi we don't need you guys

Cape verde-4,033 km square
Comoros- 2,235km square
Mauritius-2,040 km square
Seychelles-455 km square
The combined landmass of these four countries= 8763kmsquare
Benin's landmass in Edo state should be about 8,500 km square to 9,000 km square

Benin land in Edo state is bigger than these four countries combined in terms of landmass.

Mauritius-1,265,475
Comoros- 850,000
Cape verde- 561,901
Seychelles-100,000
The combined population of these four countries=2,777,376
Benin population today is about 4 million so what are you on about Olu

https://books.google.com/books?id=GN5yv3-U6goC&q=Edo+3.8+million&pg=PA130

Lol. Enjoy your dream land. Get back on track and tell us the Pa Idu factoring in Edo history

samuk:
The bolded is an insult to Edo people, let me quickly take you down historical lane.

1. In pre colonial Nigeria, Edo as a stand alone kingdom/empire was the dominant force for centuries in what later become Nigeria.

2. Edo kingdom/empire stood for over 900 years until the British destroyed and forced her into the a creation of theirs....the Western Region of Nigeria.

3. Before this force marriage between the people of old Benin kingdom and yoruba nations, the Oba of Benin had no equal let alone a senior. Who was the Alake historically? The closest yoruba oba that was mentioned in the same book as the oba of Benin was the Alaafin, who the British met on ground as the king of the yoruba people in 1824. In that mention, the Alaafin informed the British that he has requested help from the Oba of Benin to send his military to come and help him the Alaafin to put down his rebellious neighbours.

4. When it became apparent in 1959 that the British was about to exit Nigeria, Oba of Benin and his people began to negotiate with the British to separate from the western region which they were forced into.

5. Awolowo who initially agreed to the separation pre independence, reneged after independence. The Oba of Benin had to pull all strings from both Eastern and northern regions and eventually got his people out of the western region in 1963.

6. The mid West remains the only region/state in Nigeria till date that was democratically created, others Before and after were created by fiat.

7. The Edo people are the ones that have consistently shown that their history have nothing to do with Yoruba history.

8. Finding ourselves in this contraption called Nigeria with so called majority tribes who know very little about good governance and organisational skills have dragged us backward. The old Benin kingdom was known worldwide for her organisational and artistic skills. Today what is Nigeria known for?

9. In the little time we were allowed to govern ourselves, Bendel became number one, many of us old enough still remember the days of up Bendel and Bendel number one with nostalgia.


Yes Edo can do without yoruba, it's yoruba that cannot do without Benin history.

Lol . I am not interested in Politics on a Culture Thread because it will dent the purpose of Pa Idu's thread. So stay focus.

While the real Historical Perspective and not the falsified concocted storylines, does not support your Bini Dominance as Empire in Precolonial era, the same way Oyo had claimed earlier in some area.

Even if you post till eternity, Bini land mass is small and sparingly linked to the Atlantic Sea which even with her small population will need a bilateral trade partners which makes Yoruba land ,her first choice because of close proximity and relationship.

AreaFada2:
See this statement below:

"On my right sits the Oni of Ife;
On my left, the Leader of our Government,
Obafemi Awolowo.
The Voice of the West is complete".

This statement was made by Alake on January 7th 1952 at the Western House of Assembly. Alake, a very junior king behind Alafin, Ooni, Awujale, Olowo, even Timi of Ede, Soun of Oshogbo and Ewi of Ado-Ekiti if you look into history properly, dared to stand up to make such a reckless declaration. In Ibadan for that matter.

He totally ignored other monarchs present including Oba Akenzua and others from Delta Province who were also members of the House back then.

Oba Akenzua led non-Yoruba people to walk out of the Assembly. Momentum to split from Western Region gathered from that event. It was achieved in 1963 referendum.

Oba Erediauwa's father was key to creating Midwest and fought for it. Later Bendel to Edo and Delta.

You can understand Oba Erediauwa's passion to maintain unity among Edo. He witnessed that part of our history. We need to educate people about where we are coming. We shouldn't take what we have for granted.

Now times have changed. 9ja is far more disunited now than in 1996. FG might not even have granted a 7th SS state in 1996.
It's probably just about the right time now.

Just imaging your interpretation of what Alake said ? Hatred will not kill you Edo lying e warriors.

How is Alake Junior to Oloyo or Oba Bini ? In your falsehood, thought, military might is what makes a bonafide king greater than the other ?

Rather than posting gibberrish in this thread, it is advisable you post information on Pa Idu history,and not bring in views you do not have knowledge on because a king made statement on politics. Go learn and educate yourself .

Can Edo stand without Yoruba Race ? Can Oba Bini openly support disconnect between Yoruba ileife and his Kingdom ?

Seriously,your purpose on Culture Thread is quite questionable because you should this view of your on Politics thread.

I just wonder, reason you have not shed more light on Pa Idu as the pioneer man in your history . Hopefully, let us learn Edo historical information without controversy.

kumulus:
Excellent!!

..... although we can't be too sure, a good number of generations who bear these names themselves have held on to improper meanings and translations for many decades.

I think we are better off investing our resources into researching our rich language, history and culture(s) as a people than pursuing what I consider a needless secession as some are canvassing for. Life through history has taught us there's a time for everything.

I'm often left bemused when protagonist of these cause(s) speak and they don't even have a firm hold of the language and I ask, what are we really fighting for??

Ofcourse yes, you are right. The problem being encountered is the derogatory interpretation of Yoruba names and lack of us not knowing our names are associated with Orisa.

The Christians misinformation on naming is a major setback and from Islamic angle even to an extent Yoruba Muslims bear Islamic name which ends up as prefix slavish name which is a taboo fromYoruba traditional doctrine but are often accepted by muslims. You hear people attached Abdul as a prefix before other names with joy but the meaning is Slave or servitude or one who is owned and in total submission to his owner.

In Yoruba religious perspective or system, Yorubas are all sons and daughters to Orúnmìílà/Ẹlà,,who is also known as Olúwa etc (ibikéjì Elédùmárè-the other face of Elédùmárè).

On the angle of not having firm grip on Yoruba names and its meaning, then it will always be orientation and reorientation for people to have grip on their history and original meaning of their names without watery translation.

kumulus:
What about the possibility of this one not also referring to the crown as opined in the original post?

Adekusibe - A dé kù sí bè (He who's present here and still there), just as our forebearers hailed the Great One; "O jade n'ile ma tan n'ile"

Your thoughts?

Excellent topic, I was just having thoughts on the same earlier this morning. It's interesting to note the extent of the great Yoruba civilization by looking through the names. Our ancestors were so devoted to their skills and craft at those times that they raised for themselves pillars in honour of their ways and means.....hence, you have different religions as offshoots.

Indeed the thief has come only to steal and destroy.....

Verily, lands in the regions of the Congo shall rise again, and every tongue about the Nile and her surroundings once again will flourish.

Àse!!!

Adé ku sí bẹ́ means, the crown still has portion within same location or the crown remains in its stead

RedboneSmith:
Yes, I know. I will not be surprised if Yorùba also has a similar 'du' word for Lion as well. Because all these are sister-languages.

If you look at linguistics, you would know about something called YEAI languages. These are Yoruboid (of which Igala is a branch), Edoid, Akokoid and Igboid. Linguists tell us that these languages all descend from a common language in the distant past called Proto-YEAI. Thus, there are cognates found throughout the languages.

Now having cognates doesn't mean that there are no words that were still borrowed across these sister languages in later times.

For example, Igbo borrowed the word ugegbe for mirror from Edo. The etymologically Igbo word for mirror is enyo. Ugegbe was borrowed. Igbo also borrowed several titles from the Edo.

There were also linguistic items that were borrowed from Igbo to Edo, even though people never seem to want to talk about that, and get agitated when it is brought up, and think you're attempting to attack or belittle their culture/civilization.

Etymological analysis of the Edo word for skirt, (ubuluku) for instance, suggests the word has Igbo roots. If you ask an Edo person to break the word ubuluku apart and explain it, he wouldn't be able to. But an Igbo person can. To a linguist this would suggest the direction of diffusion of the word

Which brings us to Idu. I am still to meet an Edo person who can etymologically explain it, the way it is explainable in Igbo. All I have been told by you all is that it has a very long antiquity among the Edo. A lexical item might exist in a language community for 20,000 years and still have its roots outside that language community. Antiquity is not really a counter-argument against foreign provenance.

One question to keep in mind is: Why your other neighbours don't use that word for you. Why is it only recollected by your Igbo-speaking neighbours.

No, kiniun is lion in Yoruba. And lone word for it.

Du as suffix or prefix has some of various or even as stand alone even with meaning with different tonal sound. Examples are
Du : dark
Du: speed off etc

Odu : pot,earthenware ,container
Odudu:,container, big vessel
Odu: verses (in ifa)
Odu: feminine part of ifa(sometimes called as one who birthed other 16 odu in ifa)
Odu :dark
Odu :void
Odu : kin of vegetable
Odu : fabricated falsehood etc
Odu : as a name asssociated with ifa
Odu : one who flees etc

Idu- ganran exist in Yoruba lexicon which means pepper farm.

AutomaticMotors:
Guy shotup na only una dey believe this tales by the moonlight and not all of una sef

Tell your biological father to shutup. ọmọ irán kírán.

AutomaticMotors:
Story Story........
Everything come from Ife ......this people are crazy walahi

When The Greek talk about the World of Creation Myth, does it make them crazy or weird ?

When the Egyptians talk about their Creation Myth of Ora, does it make them mad people ?

When Roman Latin rumble in pride about their Myth of creation, does it make them superior to Yoruba creation Myth ?

These whole people I had mentioned bow in awesomeness to Yoruba Religion and Art Might. Yet Yoruba believed none on earth is superior to their own ancestral history.

The United Nation on world Heritage acknowledged and accepted IFA with its doctrine in its domain as part of world Heritage. But here you are making damning statement about My Race ? Obviously you are a young person with little knowledge on this things.

The Bible talks about Flooding
The Yoruba talked about Flooding
Science talked about Law of Gravity
Yoruba talked about Law of Gravity
Science talked about Numbering
Yoruba talked about Numbering etc

Addendum, Yoruba is the only Race on earth that associate Solomon's Knot with Royalty. The mystical Hebrew are also the only group on earth that associate Solomon's Knot with Royalty.

My question is

What is your ancestors legacy in the world to lay claim to ?

AutomaticMotors:
Everything come from Ife this people are funny walahi

Ileife is the conceptualise birth place of Yorubas. And it is from this place, had Ooni (Supreme king owner) , other Kings, Elders, Chiefs, other Nobles, slaves, Citizens , strangers quarters embedded society evolved

ajl:
You are the one with poor knowledge of history. You must refer to Odu Ifa as source of information on aspects of Yoruba history. Please don't mix things. There were two Oduduwas. The first, named Oduduwa Olofin-Otete (Ateworo, one that descend from a chain) was non-human initially and was responsible for creating the earth. This information is provided in Odu "Osa Ogunda". The second Oduduwa was human and was the first Ooni. he is referred to Oduduwa Olofin-Akoko. He adopted the name of the divine Oduduwa. This was common back then. There were several human Obatalas who adopted the name of the divine Obatala. Same thing Orunmila Agboniregun adopted the name of the divine Orunmila. All the divine beings numbering 400 arrived at the same period and were sent to create the earth and make it habitable. It was Oduduwa Olofin-Otete that specifically created the earth, and was given a woman, Eni-bi-eni, that created directly by Olodumare. Many of the human Orisas adopted the names of the Irunmoles. Search online for "Ifa Creation Story by Oluwo Solagbade Popoola". You will find information on divine Oduduwa Olofin-Otete. See this link: https://www.obafemio.com/uploads/5/1/4/2/5142021/the_creation_story.pdf

Quite true. You must probably be an ifa adherent or admirer of Yoruba ifaodu.