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GreatManBee:
What is Ijinle Yoruba please.?

It more of traditional Yoruba Language in which it is more archaic/ancient Yoruba and undiluted. In a layman term, old deep Yoruba word for referring to something or someone.

I strongly believe it was ‘H' letter that sound more accurate with my extra research outside Yoruba land... A form pronounced as “Hooni". Effort on Your part. Stay blessed

PlayerMeji:
OP, I will like to ask what exactly you are doing to get Nnamdi Kanu out from the detention he is because I know of prominent Yoruba persons making moves in words and action, the likes of FFK and Fayose.

Yet you come online, conspisciously hiding behind the front of a laptop to spew chiit about Yorubas as if they are the problems to your existence.

The Hausa/Fulanis who want to die in power at all cost and play divide and rule are not your problems.

Awesome answer. God bless You and entire Yoruba Race

YonkijiSappo:
How many times did you cum to that?
Ozuor. stop wasting my time jare,... I have things to do.

you better live that non realist guy with hatred alone, else, he will continue to send out trash with nothing to gain.

shinarambo1:
The ooni was imposed on ife by tinubu. He is helpless and just a figurehead. The last ooni gave tinubu a hard time, and they called him PDP oba. Now an APC oba is been imposed.

Stop this opinion out of anger and love for your ILE IFE. We all do love ILE IFE. However, Ori ni gbo gbo nkan laaye yi. Ibi ti ori yan fun Ooni Ogunwusi niyen. He is not the personality to speak openly about this issue. But Yoruba mouth piece have been doing it. It is well with Odua sons and daughters by the power of Eledumare.

Amusaopeyemi:
Yo, Are you okay? Did I quote you? Find some other Girl to pick on if you're so jobless. Bully.

If you don't want to be corrected then you need not be on this thread. Secondly, you don't need to quote me before I quote you once you relay information to thousands / million of online surfers which weren't true. Thirdly, Don't be metaphoric and mention the person directly who ridiculed that part of Samuel Johnson's wrong information as it regard the meaning of Ooni and his duty . I was the one who did. And if you don't have information, read from people who do know more than you do. Does it have to be me? Of course not. Then, I don't do romance nor have time for young ladies because I am not AVAILABLE!. Study and learn more. Lastly, I don't want to derail this thread nor do I expect you to do so.

absoluteSuccess:
Thanks pal.

We all are born in history and raised in history.

I salute you dear brother.

YonkijiSappo:
Oba - Nominal Royal Title. It is like the English word "King"
So, for example the Kings of various towns will have different royal titles which might in turn have an Oja Oba in the middle of town, beside the Palce (Aafin, or Oghofen in SE Yoruba)

Oloja or Olaja - Oja or Aja is the name for a small settlement that has not grown large enough to become a major town, usually located on intersections or crossroads (Ode), and is usually also a centre of trade and exchange of goods for all the neighboring peoples (Oja). It is most common to SE Yoruba dialects. A leader of such a community would be an Olaja or Oloja
This title similarly exist in Itsekiri as Olaja, in Olukumi as "Oloza" like you said, and in Igala as Onoja.

So it must infact be quite ancient.

Olori - This simply means "Leader" or "Headman" of sorts, not just of a town but can be any association or guild of people where someone is recognized as leader. Comes from the word "Ori" which means head, and the possessive "Olo-" prefix.

Olu - This term does not necessarily mean King, Olu actually means Lord, and not King. So, for example "Oluwa" means Our Lord, while "Olu Orun" contracted to "Olorun" simply means - Lord of the Heavens. These are both terms for God. In a societal concept, an olu would simply means a recognized lord, owner or ruler of a place, and it wouldn't be out of place to still call an Olu an Oba- as that is what he truly is.

Olofin - This is an old old old, infact, Ancient word mired in deep Yoruba chronicles. Breaking down its etymology, the "Olo-" possessive prefix can be clearly culled out and recognized in the word giving a hint to it being something similar to Olorun. Now, what does "Ofin" mean? Ofin means rules or tenets, therefore Olofin most likely means someone who owns the rules or set the tenets. Ultimately, a kind of ruler as well. Mind you it could also be a contraction of "Olu Ofin" Lord of the Rules/Order.

Owa - Owa is a word mostly used by the Ijeshas, Ekitis and some Akoko groups to refer to a ruler. I speak neither of these dialects, but it certainly has its origins as well. If I am to guess the 'O' is a pronoun of person, while the wa is probably what remains of a more elaborate term that has contracted and lost some consonants over ages, making the deciphering of its exact meaning more difficult.
Same way what Yorubas called Ooni today was in the middle ages called "Owoni" and its original form was Oghone.

So, that is that.

I do like most of your interpretation. Kudos. However, Owa begun from the time of Odua . From the account available, it was when he became partially blind and his two sons( owa Ajibogun and Aremitan) and Abajadi followed them to sort and fetch beach(Atlantic sea) water for the cure. The appellation was mentioned to acknowledge the princes who were the descendants of the personage who was referred to as called Odua. Owoni, as far as the modern revelation is concerned, Rev. Samuel Johnson blundered on Oni history and Samuel Ajayi crowther too blundered when he asserted that Odua came out from Ado odo. Ooni, appellation existed from time with Odu'a.

ayindejimmy:
The British media never said the man was Nigerian, talk more of being Yoruba.
But we bigots in Nigeria will always racial profile the person, especially if he's a criminal.
This is a man that as never been to Nigeria, wasn't educated in Nigeria and has no social or cultural connection with Nigeria other than he was adopted by a Nigerian. He's no even biologically Yoruba
Only his Yoruba name betrayed him. We have many Yorubas in Europe doing great but do not have any social connection with Nigeria but whenever they're called Yoruba bigots are quick to remind us they have no formal or informal social connection with Nigeria. That they are British-born Nigerian.
I guess this dude falls in that category too

Dont mind these bigots. Does it even mean everyone who bears Yoruba names are Yoruba? After all, many people bears Yoruba names yet not related to Yoruba lineage.

ojun50:
Yoruba? Hw sure are dey

He was born in Kent. They have nearly everyone's detail in their database.

ebby9z:
Can you leave tribalism out if this very educative thread. I'm Yoruba and I'm ashamed of you

You do have a point but know it that, Yoruba won't start provocation unless it was done by the other party. Why blame him if he (stubbornnn)refer to South East as not having something close what we have in Yoruba land ? Isn't it true, comparing the two groups? We are blessed differently and this is the fact. Some thing happened in Borno state, when I saw a thread on the Death of one Oguntoye (Lieutenant in the Nigeria military),who was killed by Boko Haram two weeks ago or so . I was very mad at the way some South Eastern people of Nigeria on that thread reacted to his death as if he wasn't a human being, a Yoruba man and presently, a Nigerian who took up the role to defend Nigeria with his blood . Take for instance ,one of these guys mentioned him as “one Afonja gone" without considering the sorrow that would have befell his family . How would you feel reading such information ? I don't personally believe in provocative term unless my right is infringed upon. Looking at the root of the matter should always be why an action is taken and not the aftermath reaction....It is well.

Amusaopeyemi:
Finally, someone that knows the truth. Thank you bro. That guy was just Lying and arguing Blindly. Saying things he doesn't know.

What truth do you know? Stop this pathetic lies.. How many fact do your have about the descendant of Odu'a. Can you crave for his personality more than his Descendants?

baby124:
I am sad that you quote this, because this is actually a racist attempt at Frobenius to discount Yoruba ability. In essence he was saying that African's were not mentally capable of such art as the Ife heads because they were so well done. He said who ever must have created those heads must have come to Ife to create it and must be from the Race of the Atlantis people. W
e now know this race of the Atlantis people likely do not exist. Yoruba's made those heads and even researchers of today condemn Frobenius's racism.

This is the problem with people when we don't study. Professor Frobenuis Leo was right to a large extent. What concerns me with nonsense African pride?. What racism? Olumide, Biobaku, Samuel Ajayi crowther, Samuel Johnson etc all made reference to Yoruba as not being of local origin. We are inferring on truth and you think Africa should be more pitied because 16th-19th century slavery of black Africans. Are you really conversant with history at all? Africa has more than 3000 languages. And you think they are the same people. We are making research on Race and you chose to be weak with your emotions attached to Africa. Did you really read what I quoted carefully? This were information of not one person but About four different writers and only one of them was a white MAN. If you refer to Frobenius as a racist, what about Olumide, umoh, Biobaku, Samuel Ajayi crowther, Samuel Johnson etc who acknowledge Yoruba as not being local? Would you call them racists? There is practically no part of Africa that had similar Bronze cast as the ancient Yoruba except Egypt and Etruscans. I repeat, none. Do you know in British Museum, there is a crude replica of the method being used in the production of the sculpture in 11-1200AD?. The man emphasise that the Hamitic group were savages and crude to large extent but he didn't refer to all part of Africa as crude and savages . If Africa, were crude, how come Egypt developed? the lower part of Egypt and the upper part of Egypt. How come Ethiopia wasn't classified as crude? What about Libya? There are more evidence that showed Yoruba as not being local in Nigeria ORALLY or, DNA traces or CULTURALLY . But more evidence which remains to be established is the attestation of this assertions in the lower part of Egypt( ELÉPHANTE/ ASWAN WHICH INCLUDE ; YEBU AND ONIAS LOCATION) . And it will be proven sooner than expected. Leave pride alone, do more research and seek the truth.

ElsonMorali:
Thanks I'll check it out.

You are welcome

ElsonMorali:
Truth is, we can all make grand claims but unless they are proven beyond reasonable doubt, they will still be guesses, Maybe educated guesses, but guesses nonetheless.

One thing that is common to the stories of all groups worldwide is water. Lots of it. Flood, If you like. And it is possible that there existed an advanced civilization that covered the earth way before this present one.

If there was a flood that covered the whole earth at one point in time (and there are physical indications to support this theory) then the possibility of bodies being washed from one continent to another is very likely.

There are whole cities buried under the sea and I read of a pyramid larger than the one at Giza in Egypt found beneath the Atlantic ocean where the Bermuda triangle is located.

So there are indeed mysteries on this earth that we know Nothing of.

Having said that, I must admit that I haven't read anything concerning Yoruba DNA that you mentioned.

It'd be great If you can post a link here so that I can follow it.

If only our rapacious politicians can be a little bit less myopic and understand the need to research, understand and preserve the Yoruba race...

According to several studies, Neanderthal DNA exists in all Europeans at a frequency of 1-3% as well as in Asians. Alongside those studies, the claim was made that Neanderthal DNA is absent in Africa.
Recent studies revealed that this is not correct



The white researchers tried to cover it after such massive discoveries. IF this wasn't true, how come Yoruba have 4% untraceable DNA?


courtesy:rhesusnegative.net


Here is one out of two I have seen...Even with the comparison along Ibo, Edo, Fulani.
tracingafricanroots. wordpress. com/ancestrydna

ajalaolanr:
Ok , I will look into those books , But if these books give credence to your argument, then they are at odds to what archaeologist have discovered in recent times.

I do hope you know that books and articles are as valuable as the on going paradigm at the time the books were written, when theres a change in paradigm so does the value or the importance of those books due to the shift at that time , Just saying

Cheers

The radiocarbon test at EREDO IS FAR DIFFERENT FROM THE ACCOUNT EXISTENCE OF QUEEN SHEEBAH OF ETHIOPIA WHOM THE ARABS CALLED BILQIS / BILIKISU . SHE EVEN HAD A SON FOR SOLOMON WHOSE LINEAGE RULED ETHIOPIA FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. HAILLE GABRIEL SALLESY CLAIMED HIS DIRECT DESCENDANT. BILIKISU OF YORUBA DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHILD ACCORDING TO ORAL ACCOUNT.

CHEERS.

ajalaolanr:
Ok , I will look into those books , But if these books give credence to your argument, then they are at odds to what archaeologist have discovered in recent times.

I do hope you know that books and articles are as valuable as the on going paradigm at the time the books were written, when theres a change in paradigm so does the value or the importance of those books due to the shift at that time , Just saying

Cheers

The radiocarbon test at EREDO IS FAR DIFFERENT FROM THE ACCOUNT EXISTENCE OF QUEEN SHEEBAH OF ETHIOPIA WHOM THE ARABS CALLED BILQIS / BILIKISU . SHE EVEN HAD A SON FOR SOLOMON WHOSE LINEAGE RULED ETHIOPIA FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. HAILLE GABRIEL SALLESY CLAIMED HIS DIRECT DESCENDANT. BILIKISU OF YORUBA DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHILD ACCORDING TO ORAL ACCOUNT.

Amusaopeyemi:
Oga go to Ife and stop calling me a Liar (My friend's dad is one of the High Priest there. My Uncle was Area Commander there for a while and I used that opportunity to meet Important people and asked questions) Oduduwa was never called Ooni when he was king of Ife abeg.
It was after his Death that they started using the title Ooniririsha for kings.
PS :- I don't even know the Book you're talking about. Don't come here saying things you don't know about.

And how many versions of the history so do they give you ? Can you count? Go and read books and not one form of revisionist account. What title was Odu'a referred? you can also Go online and read stories being told between 1910s-1960s written by white scholars who had no interest but to write the story from the priests they met. Go to South and North America about the story of Yoruba. How then do they write the order of Oonis in this manner?

All 51 Ooni’s Of Ile-Ife in history

1ST ODUDUWA
2ND OSANGANGAN OBAMAKIN
3RD OGUN
4TH OBALUFONO GBOGBODIRIN
5TH OBALUFON ALAYEMORE
6TH ORANMIYAN
7TH AYETISE
8TH LAJAMISAN
9TH LAJODOOGUN
10TH LAFOGIDO
11TH ODIDIMODE ROGBEESIN
12TH AWOROKOLOKIN
13TH EKUN
14TH AJIMUDA
15TH GBOONIJIO
16TH OKANLAJOSIN
17TH ADEGBALU
18TH OSINKOLA
19TH OGBORUU
20TH GIESI
21ST LUWOO (FEMALE)
22ND LUMOBI
23RD AGBEDEGBEDE
24TH OJELOKUNBIRIN
25TH LAGUNJA
26TH LARUNNKA
27TH ADEMILU
28TH OMOGBOGBO
29TH AJILA-OORUN
30TH ADEJINLE
31ST OLOJO
32ND OKITI
33RD LUGBADE
34TH ARIBIWOSO
35TH OSINLADE
36TH ADAGBA
37TH OJIGIDIRI
38TH AKINMOYERO 1770-1800
39TH GBANLARE 1800-1823
40TH GBEGBAAJE 1823-1835
41ST WUNMONIJE 1835-1839
42ND ADEGUNLE ADEWELA 1839-1849
43RD DEGBINSOKUN 1849-1878
44TH ORARIGBA 1878-1880
45TH DERIN OLOGBENLA- He was a powerful warrior! 1880-1894
46TH ADELEKAN (OLUBUSE I)- 1894-1910
47TH ADEKOLA 1910-1910
48TH ADEMILUYI (AJAGUN) . 1910-1930
49TH ADESOJI ADEREMI- (1930-1980)Minister without portfolio when he ruled from 1951 to 1955. He was the first indigenous governor of Western Nigeria.
50TH OKUNADE SIJUWADE- (1980-2015)
51st Enitan Adeyeye Ogunwusi, Ojaja 11 (2015-)

codemaniacs:
religious leaders were colonialists who did anything to subjugate Africa... Africans were the first writers of history, go to great pyramid or libraries in Mali and look at the drawings... that's visual history but your kind would rather go to i-srael or a-rabia to look for history...



stop seeing it as one word.. it is definitely a yo-ruba word but u don't want unlock history

How old is Mahli Empire compare to Egypt? You mentioned Egypt as it was ruled solely by black. Are You not just too funny? Show me pictures of Egypt pictorial historic documents seen in Mahli. I maintain, you are not studious enough. How many groups lived in Egypt during 18th/19th BC between the lower Egypt and upper Egypt? You referring to Mahli Kingdom that even dreaded ILE IFE. YOU don't know Jack shit.

baby124:
How does this prove Yoruba and Egypt connection?

This is evidence that proves Yoruba weren't local people. One researcher Professor Frobenius calls those Etruscan cultures which found their way into Yorubaland the ‘Atlantic culture’. He rejects Egypt as the main influencer or as the geographical origin of the Yorubas. He based his hypothesis on the fact that there are many Etruscan cultural practices amongst North Africans that are similar to those of the Yorubas and he thinks that it was easier to travel from North Africa to Yorubaland than from Egypt to Yorubaland (Frobenius 1968:186–204). Frobenius says that the Yoruba and the Atlantic culture share:

• Water storage construction systems. He emphasised that the style of houses constructed by the Yorubas was similar to those used by the Etruscans, Moroccans and Algerians whereby the
Impluvium is built in the centre of the house whilst apartments with verandas are built in a rectangular form.
• The construction of their houses. Yorubas construct houses with ridge roofs that are similar to those in North Africa.
• The colour and form of bows and arrows used by the Yorubas are similar to those in Morocco.
• The North African hand loom, unknown in the Sudan, is found amongst Yoruba woman.
• The drum shape and other articles peculiar to North Africa are not found in the Sudan, but are found in Yorubland.
• The existence of the ‘Templum ’, amongst both the Yorubas and North Africans whereby houses are built round a temple or sacred building; even in towns, houses were generally built around sacred buildings. Frobenius thinks that even the religion of Ile Ife is based on the ‘Templum ’ idea (Frobenius 1968:336).

Frobenius’s archaeological findings particularly when comparing certain articles and house-forms between North Africa and the Yorubas, are true (Lucas 1948:348), 6 but his conclusions still raise some questions. Firstly, these same Etruscan elements like the hood loom, arrow, Impluvium , Templum and others listed by Frobenius are also widely used in Egypt but Frobenius did not explain how these cultures found their way into Egypt. The presence of Etruscan elements in both Egypt and North Africa suggest that these regions (Egypt and North Africa) were earlier influenced by these elements through their contact with the Etruscans. Lucas (1948:349) says that Frobenius’s view that all monuments of the ancient Atlantic culture are placed on the coast (Frobenius 1968:336) can also be questioned because important Yoruba places like Ile Ife and Offa where these monuments (Etruscan articles) were found are about two hundred miles away from the coast (Lucas 1948:349). As a result, Lucas (1948:351) believes that the Etruscan culture did not originate in Egypt yet the culture passed through Egypt and from there to Yorubaland.

YORUBA WERE MIGRANTS TO NIGERIA..FOR YOUR PERUSAL

baby124:
Lol. Sure, that's where the dating comes from. The creation story. God created the world in 6days and rested on the 7th. If each day is 1,000 years then the Bible is essentially stating the earth is not older than 7,000 years. This bible dating of the earth is even proven by very competent researchers. I want to ask you, if the earth is truly about 7,000 years old, then who the heck built Dufuna canoe. Hahahahaha. The Bible should be seen as a moral book, not factual. Kind of like a collection of moral stories we had growing up.

YOUR MULTIPLICATION OUGHT TO BE; if 1000=1 day, then 1000× 6000=?

codemaniacs:
you are not yoruba, u are like olu317 who relies on religious books and books written by people who would do anything to hide Africa's history from Africans..

since u claim iru is not seed... then deconstruct the word yoruba or ya-ruba since 99% of yoruba words contain multiple words.

Show me who were the first writers of history if not religious leaders ? you aren't well studious. Do you even know how Yoruba used to write in ancient?

baby124:
That was an error and I corrected myself. She was most likely Jewish. Anyway we know the Bible is filled with stories of morality and not always accurate facts. Bible states the world is 6,000 years but we now know the world is way older than 6,000 years.

Are you reading the Bible like your NOVEL? The Bible referred to the acknowledgement of creation which you can't calculate at the rate of 6,000 years because, A THOUSAND YEARS IS A DAY IN THE CALCULATION OF BIBLE(1,000 year =1day) . Study the Bible before reference.

baby124:
That there was habitation of Nigeria 13,000 years ago shows there was life in Nigeria. Nigerian's have always been subsistence farmers. We never had huge cities on Egypt's scale. But we had settlements with a good amount of population. In the Iwo Eleru cave there is evidence of the use of tools. The fact that there is human habitation alone shows there would have been cultivation. Cultivation and hunting started in Africa. Long before Egypt was settled. The ancient Egyptians after all were originally Sudanese.

Stone head carving of Paramessu (Ramesses I), originally part of a statue depicting him as a scribe. On display at the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston .
Pharaoh is attached here

Reign 1292–1290 BC or 1295–1294 BC ( 19th Dynasty )
Predecessor Horemheb
Successor Seti I
Royal titulary
Consort Sitre
Children Seti I
Father Seti
Died 1290 BC
Burial KV16


He was the 19th dynasty in Egypt. Stop all these egocentric ideology of Yoruba supremacy. I am one of those that even supposed to claim it with such pride but let truth be told. This is one of the reason, many information are always been suppressed but not anymore with the advent of a lot of people having access to INTERNET. Which human habitation? You meant the fossil found in Iwo Eleru?

Amusaopeyemi:
Oduduwa was not the First Ooniririsha, it was after his death that they started using the "Ooni" title.

Lie. Odua was the first OONI. IF YOU CLAIM, ODUA WASNT, WHO WAS? HAVE YOU BEEN READING ONLY SAMUEL JOHNSON HISTORY BOOK? YOU MUST BE FUNNY IF YOU READ YORUBA HISTORY BASED ON SAMUEL JOHNSON'S BOOK. WHO DO YOU THINK WAS IN CHARGE OF KEEPING THE HERITAGE OF ODU'A? OBADIOH/ OBADIO LINEAGE AT ILE IFE WERE IN CHARGE OF KEEPING ODUA SHRINE . AND NOT ONE UNKNOWN FOREIGNER....

ajalaolanr:
Are you an Archaeologist? have you done any work on Queen sheba in terms of findings, have you visited Eredo to talk to the natives to butress your opinion so you can have a solid outpost to your knowleged of her? have you done an extensive Historical Audit on Queen sheba or Done any form of Archaeological finding about her? why then do you argue with those that have written thesis on this and used much of their life to put dots together to come to such a conclusion.

You sound like a smart dude, even the smartest of all give room for more knowledge and are not sacrosanct in their opinion, all your comments are made out of opinion and are not saddled with Facts, let those that make it a life's purpose to audit history through Archaeology educate u, read from their works, i would be glad to read from someones work , thesis or research that can back up your claim.

I am an open Book.

READ BOOKS ON QUEEN SHEEBAH OF ETHIOPIA

Clapp, Nicholas, Sheba: Through the Desert in Search of the Legendary Queen, Houghton Mifflin Company, 2001.
Hansberry, William Leo, Pillars in Ethiopian History: The William Leo Hansberry African History Notebook, ed. Joseph E. Harris, Howard University Press, 1974.
Holy Bible, American Bible Society, 1978.

Kebra Negast, trans. Miguel F. Brooks, The Red Sea Press, Inc., 1996.
Marcus, Harold G., A History of Ethiopia, University of California Press, 1994.
Munro-Hay, Stuart, Ethiopia: The Unknown Land, I.B. Tauris, 2002.

Qu'ran, trans. Muhammad Zafrulla Khan, Interlink Publishing Group-Olive Branch Press, 1997.
Shah, Tahir, In Search of King Solomon's Mines, Arcade Publishing, 2002.

baby124:
That there was habitation of Nigeria 13,000 years ago shows there was life in Nigeria. Nigerian's have always been subsistence farmers. We never had huge cities on Egypt's scale. But we had settlements with a good amount of population. In the Iwo Eleru cave there is evidence of the use of tools. The fact that there is human habitation alone shows there would have been cultivation. Cultivation and hunting started in Africa. Long before Egypt was settled. The ancient Egyptians after all were originally Sudanese.

What habitation? Habitation started proper around 1000AD With traces of animal husbandry around 350BC at ILE IFE. NOK /BANTU were the original HAMITIC settlers in ADAMAWA, THERE IS A PLACE CALLED JABBA in Adamawa, with artifacts older than ILE IFE. THE IRON AGE IN WHICH YORUBA CAME WITH ITS DEVELOPMENT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED IN WEST AFRICA..

ElsonMorali:
All living languages go through changes eventually and the Yoruba language is no exception.

But, unlike most languages, there are very many dialects of the same Yoruba language and this has helped in a way to preserve the Yoruba language from being too influenced by languages of neighboring ethnic groups.

While I submit that the Yorubas irrespective of dialect are one people, I maintain that the dialect spoken by the Ijebu, the Ondo, the Itshekiri and Ekiti are closer to the early Yoruba language generally spoken by the ancient Yorubas.

The Ibadan, Oyo, Ogbomoso, Ilorin and Ife dialect are much closer to the general Yoruba which is our native lingua franca.

I stand to be corrected though.

I agree with you on language development. If you know the history of England, you will marvel at the rate in which it developed to the current one being spoken. Despite the claim that English developed out of Germanic language. Still, they weren't Germanic stock. This show that people can come habit with other groups due to migration but doesn't make them the same stock. A clear case study is THE LATE BOB MARLEY WHOSE MOTHER WAS BLACK WOMAN BUT HIS FATHER WAS A PURE WHITE MAN. Can you now claim him to be of AFRICAN DESCENT? This is practically not true. So, be sincere with ourselves on issues as sensitive as this. I stand by my point, Yoruba are different from all other groups in West Africa and the ones who has similar religion with Yoruba is AKAN of Ghana, and even they maintain there migration out of ILE IFE. Do you know Yoruba have a DNA CONNECTION to Neanderthal which doesn't belong to Africa but EURO-ASIA? DO YOU KNOW YORUBA IS THE ONLY GROUP WITH THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF UNTRACEABLE TRAIT IN NIGERIA AND AFRICA WITH 4%? Yoruba people are funny because they are too spiritual to understand the things of the spirit itself. Take for instance, how can Yoruba claim the beginning of mankind? Yet the oldest human presence is approximately 13,000 years ago and the skull is not even a Yoruba ancestor. May be I Should emphasize that since 1965, it was discovered, there hasn't been any outright claim by the white scientists to claim the skull as a Yoruba ancestor. Abram was the one God promised to give all part of the world in which his children will dwell. How on earth then will Yoruba claim ILE IFE as the beginning of mankind?. Absolutely IMPOSSIBLE when 2.8 million years old HUMAN SKULL exist in East Africa...

ElsonMorali:
Did you read my post at all? Especially the last part?

There was a time when our progenitors weren't bearing the name "Yoruba". The term Yoruba in the history If those bearing that name is a very very recent appellation.

Besides where in my post did I mention edo?

Please read my post again.

EDO WAS A REFERENCE TO THE ADVANCED CONNECTION BETWEEN YORUBA TECHNOLOGICAL KNOWLEDGE AND OTHER PEOPLE. THEN ON THE NAME, YORUBA BORE SO MANY NAMES, SUCH AS AKU, YEBU, USERE-MAGBO, etc

codemaniacs:
spell it using Ya not Yo... Ya-ruba.



look for Ya-ruba dynasty...



it was called Ya-ruba dynasty.. which is now a small part of a "mid-eastern country"..




you're very wrong...

Yoruba means:

Yo = joy
iru = seeds
oba = gods/goddesses/kings/queens

Yoruba = joy of gods..

now replace the Yo with Ya or Iya..

jantavanta would love this thread

YARUBA DYNASTY WAS ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT FROM YORUBA/JOROBAM...I KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE YA'RU BA DYNASTY (QAHATAN) WHICH CHASED AWAY THE ISRAELITE FROM YEMEN AND KILLED THE JEWISH RULER. YORUBA OF NIGERIA WILL NEVER BEAR A NAME IF THE YORUBA WERE FOUGHT AGAINST AND THEIR LEADER WAS KILLED. CAN YOU AS A HUMAN BEINGS ACCEPT TO BE CALLED THE NAME OF YOUR OPPRESSORS? FORGET YOUR TRANSLATION. YORUBA LANGUAGE IS MODERN.

baby124:
The article is a very confused article, and it does not come to a conclusion or even prove the Egyptian influence on Yoruba culture. I can understand the need to associate any civilization in Africa to Egypt because Egypt was the super power of the world at that time. But it is not true that the Nigerians of today migrated from there. I don't care what assumptions Samuel Johnson claims. Yoruba's developed their social, cultural and economic systems themselves. You know not all Yoruba groups believe in Oduduwa right? It's really only the Ife's and Oyo's that believe that myth. The fact is the people in theNigeria area of today had their own civilization. After all the Dufuna Canoe was discovered in Nigeria and it is 8,000 years old. Older than the so called Egyptian civilization and it was quite sophisticated. If you say Nigerian's migrated to Egypt and built the Egyptian civilization, I may believe you. But not the other way around. That Dufuna canoe provided evidence that we in Nigeria were traveling to other continents 8,000 yrs ago in a very sophisticated canoe designed for long travel. Before Egyptians developed that technology.

The most likely descendants of Egypt or North Africa are the Hausa, Fulani and Kanuri. They are obviously North African stock. Their language and migration or settlement pattern proves that they came from the North and groups settled all over Africa through Sudan before finally reaching Nigeria.

There is nothing like people from Nigeria built Egypt. Cultivation found in Egypt was dated over 7,000 years ago found around the desert part of Egypt. When was a village cultivation found in Nigeria? A 35,000 old stone axe was found in Australia. In Israel,over 50,000 years the old skull was found. The oldest skull was found in East Africa which is over 2,800,000,000 years old. The oldest skull found in Nigeria was at IWO ELERU which is dated about 13,000 years old. All these facts shows people migrated to Nigeria in large numbers and met the Nok Hamitic/ Bantu groups lineage . Get your facts right.