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Culture / Re: Why Does Arewa Use The Same Solomon's Knot As Their Logo. by Olu317(m): 9:56pm On May 05
Dsimmer:


Yes. The Yoruba have their messiah, Ela who's the Word born of a virgin woman, Oyigi 😎 It's stated by Ifa who calls him the only begotten child of God. Meanwhile Jews also call God Elah.

There's also another name referred as the only begotten child by Ifa. It's Jewesun, the lamb as Ifa calls it 📌 Therefore, we can say Ela is the same as Jewesun (A=X), since Ifa says God has only ONE begotten child hence both are the same thing.
Incorrect. Ẹlà ọmọ oyigi is not a messiah. Get your information correctly.

He blundered against Orunmila and was penalised. Hence 15th may anniversary .

Jewesu is a fraud . Forget about Christians who learn ifa and want to manipulate. Such as you think is false and wrong

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Culture / Re: Benin Traditional Council Suspends Five Chiefs For Pledging Alliance To Ooni by Olu317(m): 7:41pm On May 02
Danand1:

It's not the issue of me not understanding, it just that you are saying rubbish
Are you trying to say, Obatala and Oduduwa
we're orisha before their human form became kings in ife?
Learning is infinite. Odudua or Oduduwa or Oodua and obatala as deities are always been confused with the human counterparts who bore these names.

Odudua and Obatala who were humans, died and were buried. While Oodua irunmole is also referred in Ifa corpus as Orunmila and Obatala is also known as Orisa Nla who are infinite with other irunmole

While in other instances Orunmila helped the human Odudua was helped by Orunmila to overcome Obatala in their war to lead the unified thirteen communities
Culture / Re: The Ada & The Abẹrẹn (ẹbẹn): The Linguistic & Archaeological Evidence by Olu317(m): 8:19pm On May 01
Ada : state-sword, worn by the ɔba, some big chiefs, and the priests of Osa [..] and Ɔxwahɛ [c.f, of. Yor. ada [./].
Culture / Re: Benin Traditional Council Suspends Five Chiefs For Pledging Alliance To Ooni by Olu317(m): 10:31pm On Apr 28
FxMasterz:


Alaafin is not disrespectful. The Ooni knows. Traditionally, the Alaafin does not bow to the Ooni because the ife stool was first occupied by a king who left ìfẹ for a war expedition that later led to him founding Oyo ilé.

The Ooni was a chief priest of ife who was authorized to administer the throne in the absence of the Oba. Since the Oba never returned, the chief priest eventually became the oba while the self exiled oba became Alaafin in Oyo. The Alaafin therefore can't bow to the Ooni but must respect the stool the Ooni sits on as the original seat of his forefathers.

If the Alaafin was a son of the Ooni, he would definitely bow. He can't disrespect his father.
Distortion my dear.

1.Lajamisan is a bologicals son of Oranmiyan and a maternal descendant of Obalufon

2. Alaafins of 1839 have facial marks and no facial marks can enter Oranmiyan 's shrine

3. Tell me,who was the biological father of Atiba ? Tell me
Culture / Re: Benin Traditional Council Suspends Five Chiefs For Pledging Alliance To Ooni by Olu317(m): 9:59pm On Apr 28
FxMasterz:


Arrogant ignoramus! Who says Oni is not? He sits on the highest stool in Yoruba land abjugated to him by the king as I earlier stated. Go and ask why the Alaafin does not bow to the Ooni.
Lol. Alaafin is disrespectful like oba bini in a way butn in a different way.

Alaafin is a maternal descent of Oranmiyan historically. And from 1839, that the title Alaafin was created after Oluewu/ Olukuewu was betrayed by warriors and Atiba who connived with Olu Ilorin /Emir Ilorin and killed /beheaded him at Ilorin.

Olufe Ooni Lajamisan was a direct biological son of Oranmiyan andcontinue even which Olufe Ooni Ojaja Ogunwusi is a direct male descent .
Culture / Re: Benin Traditional Council Suspends Five Chiefs For Pledging Alliance To Ooni by Olu317(m): 4:46pm On Apr 28
Danand1:


Try and visit your kings palace to get the true story of how Oduduwa came to Ife, all this that you are saying are just mere formulations
There is no Odudua originating from Bini nor Ogu but Ogiso only 😂😂😂

Even Odudua pronounced as oɣodua (oghodua)
according to Bini's account says ,origin is Yoruba 😃😃😄

Furthermore, Orunmila is also called odudua in ifaodu😊😊😊

Culture / Re: The Benin Prince Who Founded Ile-ife by Olu317(m): 4:39pm On Apr 28
AreaFada2:

So, a matrilineal guy (with a bit of money) from Ogiamien family and with the recognised Chief Ogiamien missing for years now tells a story and that is your plausible version of history? First ask them to present the young man installed as chief Ogiamien to come and tell his family history. There is a full book on Ogiamien in Benin. Go and read it in full, not this online nonsense you see.

My point is that there are too many versions of Oduduwa. The Ooni can say anything just like anybody else but we need a consistent version. I have a stake in it. I have a direct Oduduwa link through a different Yoruba dynasty.
You haven't changed a bit with your false views.

Ooni will always state the obvious fact. But oba biini with multifaceted incoherent irritant falsehood can ne'er stand the test of time.
Culture / Re: Benin Traditional Council Suspends Five Chiefs For Pledging Alliance To Ooni by Olu317(m): 4:25pm On Apr 28
Shattuck:
go and read the history of ife kings were being over thrown by people within and outside the royal family, even strangers at some point ruled ile ife, when kings were being overthrown from ile ife military style Benin already had a kingdom with a direct line of succession now how did an ife who didn't have a stable govt or line of succession now give Benin a king, who already had a stable and organized civilization and govt
Who is the stranger o ?
Culture / Re: Benin Traditional Council Suspends Five Chiefs For Pledging Alliance To Ooni by Olu317(m): 4:10pm On Apr 28
Danand1:

😀😀, now I know , you don't know Yoruba history
Yorubas of Ileife colonise Igodomigodo tradtitionally,linguistically, metallurgically etc to civilize your Idu descendants 😀😀😀

1) Traditionallly,in such a way, that orunmila , olokun,ogun, etc are venerated and learned by Igodomigodo descendants

2) Linguistically that Idu Igodomigodo language adopted Yoruba loanwords into her diction tha such connection has become known as A learner Igodomigodo people's language and Yoruba teacher's language

3) Metalurgically acceptance of the knowledge of Ogu/Ogún (god of iron,hunting etc) , whom the knowledge is enshrined in ifaodu as the source cum god of iron.

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Culture / Re: Benin Traditional Council Suspends Five Chiefs For Pledging Alliance To Ooni by Olu317(m): 2:13pm On Apr 28
Raf4:


Have you ever heard about a town called Ughoton before? Go and read about the history of Ughoyo and you will see the true picture of Ekaladerhan the missing Prince.
Gwatto was founded by Ekaleradan , the only son of Ogiso Owodo 😃😃😃 in 11th century and not odudua who had died thousands of years beforeOranmiyan's 1170s invasion of Igodomigodo

As at the time of Oranmiyan coming to Igodomigodo cum Edo, Obá Olùfọn (Ọbálùfọn) was on the throne as Olúfẹ̀😉

Some Edos are bunch of liars

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Culture / Re: Benin Traditional Council Suspends Five Chiefs For Pledging Alliance To Ooni by Olu317(m): 2:07pm On Apr 28
AutomaticMotors:


Keep drowning in your delusion! You have been at it for over 10yrs now u clearly don't exist for anything else grin .... Jobless Uhundan continue angry

Uegbeho!!
Such a false from the servants of Oba Bini😆😋

Fact is fact. Hence, I see all of you edos of Bini language speakers who deny the ancestry of Oba as comedians

Below is another evidence that Izoduwa is a fraud as well as concocted falsification of Oba Binis claiming Odudua.

Odudua is of Yoruba origin from Ileife and not bini, according to Biini Dictionary 😃😃😄

Masquerade of ɔɣɛnɛ (Ooni of ileife) Oghene

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Culture / Re: Benin Traditional Council Suspends Five Chiefs For Pledging Alliance To Ooni by Olu317(m): 1:08pm On Apr 28
AutomaticMotors:


Very well said!!

Honestly Their delusion is now bordering on full retardation grin
Liar 😂😂😂. Does Oba Bini know what he is saying ? One who does not have respect for his ancestor's household in ileife
Culture / Re: Benin Traditional Council Suspends Five Chiefs For Pledging Alliance To Ooni by Olu317(m): 1:03pm On Apr 28
Danand1:
All of you Yorubas should just stop all this nonsense, is Oduduwa even a Yoruba man, you admit a foreigner as your father and still want to cajole the people that believe he is from them to be subjected to you, 😀😀you people are clowns
igodommigodo had no crown until Oba's title arrival in 1170s

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Culture / Re: Benin Traditional Council Suspends Five Chiefs For Pledging Alliance To Ooni by Olu317(m): 1:00pm On Apr 28
Danand1:

Is Oduduwa a Yoruba man?
Probably it was in-cooperated into Yoruba language after Oduduwa came, because if Yoruba can take a foreigner as their father, I guess there is nothing impossible.
Yes Odudua is ayoruba man,even according to Bini historical dictionary

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Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage (End Of Discussion) by Olu317(m): 12:20pm On Apr 28
DOptical:
Tbh, I see why some often bring this up, considering some similar strange cultures such as, making the second twin the elder of the twins, female child inheritance etc and there are also the several Yoruba words which matches the Hebrew words with similar meanings, such as

Aye (Hayah) means to exist or life.

Aanu (Hannah) means Mercy/favour.

Orun (Arun) means height.

Lale (Laylah) means Night.

Binu (benas) means anger.

Melo (Melo) means fullness.

Iwa (Iwa) means strong character/righteousness.

Eyinju (Ayin) means Eyes.

Oluwa (Eloah/Elowah) means Lord.

Ara (Raahm) means thunder.

Ori (Rosh) means head.

Ibere (Barasheet) means beginning.

Baale (Baale of Judah).

And so-on.

Meanwhile, the Yoruba weren't even trading with the Hebrews hence the reason why these are all strange. Lol. Aside that, Ifa which is Yoruba religion (and also entails the history of the Yoruba) talks about the Messiah being the Word born of a virgin woman as the begotten child of God while also referring to the Yoruba as "Omoluabi" which means the children of God. Also, the Yoruba have also got similar names for God as the Hebrew's names for God for example, Yoruba names for God are Oluwa, Olorun, Eledumare, ìyè/Eriwoyah which are similar to the Hebrew's names for God such as Eloah/Elowah, Elohim, El 'mareh, Yahweh..

All these are mysterious tbh.

Anyways, I have come to a stage where I have decided on two theories which are, either the Yoruba were Hebrew who left Egypt at the time the Hebrew were still in Egypt (Moses also left too and would have stayed where he was if not for the fact that he was asked to go lead out the other Hebrews). As I previously stated, if the Yoruba were Hebrews, I understand why all that were happening in Judea were also happening in Yorubaland since the Hebrew were promised of the Messiah 🤔 Either that or the Yoruba are just ancient people doing their things. It's even annoying that the ancient Egyptians described as blacks by the Greeks such as Aristotle, Plato etc were destroyed by the Arabs who had almost destroyed the other Northern Africans, including the Hausa who were already having their language changed into that of Arab until Rupert East asked the Hausa to preserve what was left of their language by writing and documenting it.

Tbh, while the Europeans aren't without faults of course, however, I actually appreciate the fact that they preserved the African heritage📌 and ensured a lot were documented while they themselves also documented a lot on African back then.





Interestingly I strongly believe certain groups of Yoruba are Hebrews-Canaan in origin , Arabs,Europeans, African-Nubians in origin .
Culture / Re: Unanswered Questions On Yoruba's Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:47am On Apr 27
absoluteSuccess:


Are these your best?

Point of correction: Isese is not "very harsh", harsh people are in every human society, the purpose of Yoruba traditional practice is "kilu le tuba, kotu se", how do you do harsh to have a peaceful society (kilu tuba) that is the projection of Yoruba tradition? But wicked cultists will always promote their trade under the guise of "Isese". Yoruba religion is "esin abalaye", not "isese".

Talo te o nifa? Igba wo lo wo 'gbodu? There's no igba in ifa, its opon, ifa and apo ifa, and then akapo. Tou will find igba with Osun sengese,awede koto wemo. Ma gbo'mo Oba f'Osun pelu Yoruba egbe legbe ede Oyinbo professor.

You can't speak Yoruba and an "unknown Yoruba dialect" in the same sentence made up of simple clause: nibo lo gba ikin e. Is that a "Yoruba-broken" or something? Rather if you will close with Yoruba proper, it should be "nibo lo ti..."

Mind you, I wont respond to your bitter quote, I can't go through your "ojo n ro" kind of argument afresh. Hope to hear from your agents.
Interesting . I strongly believe, macof needs not be answered.

People tend to cover up their ignorance with deceit. You can imagine, "one who does not know ,does not want to learn to know, but thinks he knows , will be a perpetual fool."

Asking silly question as he did,only showcase how untrained he is, actually! May be he is a yahoo yahoo guy, who thinks, one needs to "tẹ̀" to live a fake life in abundance or penury .

Ẹni tí ẹyin ojú rẹ tí fọ ti o ni oùn ríran lọ́ọrọ̀ ọjọgbọn macof ti o pè ara rẹ ni atọ́nísọ́ná làì mọ̀ ráaráa pe oùn gangan ni aṣínílọ́ná.

macof kò mọ̀ iyatọ láarin ẹsin iṣẹṣe áti ẹsin kiristẹni pẹ̀lú musulumi. Nìtòri pe ti o ba mọ̀ kò ṣóro fún làti mọ̀ pe Orí ẹni láwúrè ẹni tí gbé'ni de ipo ọbá bẹẹ́ni Iwà alátúnto ẹni

Ifá ni
Orí àti Iwà n tọ́run bọ̀ wá si isálúayé
Iwà níkan lo sọ̀rọ̀
bi ẹni ba ni irè gbogbo ti ò ni Iwà
irè gbogbo tío ni ti ẹni ẹlẹ́ni ni
Iwà níkan lo sọ̀rọ̀

Sincerely, I appreciate your steadfastness on the search for authentic Yoruba identities. It is my coherent believe that we shall get there.


Cheers.
Culture / Re: Why Minority Tribes Say They Come From IFE by Olu317(m): 11:44am On Apr 19
100millionGoal:


Just like they're no evidence to the trash you posted Above.

Move along man


Go-to Benin and tell them a Yoruba founded Benin city.

Lagos is called Eko for a reason 😁😁
I wonder when new generations of Bini accept Yoruba civilized your igodomigodo kingdom.

Someties I ask reason Bini use a lot of Yoruba words in their daily activities for communication in their dictions and Yoruba do not use Bini's.

Even, Ologuu/Ologun/Olu-ogun, a royal Yoruba name which stands for "lord of war" is also a praise nameof Oba Bini, which is not used for anyone in Bini land except the Oba only.

Infact,it is a funny reading your claim that you have not grip of the fact that Ogiamien families in Bini land are the original owners of Igodomigodo turned Bini.

Furthermore,Ohen Okun the head chief and chief priest of Oloku(of Yoruba in origin) state that in the account of 1486-1506, of Bini--Portuguese relationship affirm, Ekarleradan founded Gwatto in eleventh century and died in Gwatto.
Culture / Re: Why Does Arewa Use The Same Solomon's Knot As Their Logo. by Olu317(m): 8:29am On Apr 19
Dsimmer:


Well, the solomon knot is used for divine royalties (freeborn) in Yoruba. The Solomon knot should signifies the Messiah since Yoruba also believe in the Messiah (the word) born of a virgin woman.
Yoruba believed in Messiah ? This is my first time of reading or seeing.

Can you shed more light since, I am not familiar with such personality in Yoruba spirituality.

Do Yoruba spirituality of Ifaodu talks about it ?
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 12:17pm On Apr 09
Dsimmer:
grin

Lol.

On a serious note, I actually see why some see Yoruba as Hebrews. Aside the over 2000 words which are closer to the Hebrews in meanings, despite not trading with the Hebrews such as Melo (Melo), Aanu (Hannah), Aye (Haya), Orun (Arun), Iwa (Iwa), Lale (Lahyil), Ori (Rosh) etc, there's also the religion which is close to the Hebrew. For example the Hebrew call the one God almighty, El, Elowah, Elah, El'Mareh and Yhwh which means I AM. While Yoruba calls the one God almighty, Eledumare/Olodumare, Olorun, Oluwa. IFA also calls the word of Eledumare the only begotten child of Eledumare, Ela which is also known as Jewesun, the lamb. So see the similarities.

I have two theories.

1. Either the Yorubas were part of the Hebrews at the time the Hebrews were in Egypt because I doubt it would have been after the Hebrews returned to Judea because if Yoruba had followed all the way back to Judea, the Yorubas should have remembered Moses who led them out of Egypt. So I would say it's either the Yoruba were Hebrews who parted from the Hebrews while the Hebrews were still in Egypt OR

2. The Yoruba are simply ancient people!
Interesting. Do you share the postulation of ancient Yorubas being Hebrew ,considering Sultan Muhammad Bello's account ?
Culture / Re: Why Does Arewa Use The Same Solomon's Knot As Their Logo. by Olu317(m): 11:56am On Apr 09
Dsimmer:


Meanwhile, It's high time Yoruba birthed forth the insignia into technical realities the more. It need to be applied in government too.

1. For example, Cowry and Bead represent creativity, commerce and integrity. Hence, the governments need to focus on more investments in commerce and Innovative Creativity which comprises the production industries, including agro industries. This will increase more production at home and the economy the more. Focus on Integrity too.

2. Elephant (Erin) symbolizes integrity, strength, wisdom and service. Speaking of wisdom which is relative to education and enlightenment, of course It will also be good if the government can also empower the government universities to have their own production industries for example. This will also increase more production at home while churning out more talents. Also more Investment in basic civilization (basic amenities such as roads etc).

3. Solomon knot (Ìbọ̀ / Ìbọ̀ onígun mẹ́rin) which symbolizes divine royalty (free born). Thus the need for restructuring and Regionalism which accelerate the development of a country. In fact, the major highlight of the country was when the country was practicing regionalism.

4. Star of David (Orisha Eshu of cross roads which represent law and Justice/karma). It represents law, justice and the prosecution of criminals! If you do the crime, you do the time. It's simple. Of course, mercy can be applied if it warrants it, such as, non intentional acts for example however useless criminals must be dealt with and prosecuted.
What is the history of solomon knot in yoruba cosmology ?

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Culture / Re: Short History Of Ifon Osun In Osun State by Olu317(m): 8:26pm On Mar 25
Simbrixton:
are you from ife ?
A big yes
Culture / Re: Animals And Their Various Yoruba Names by Olu317(m): 11:21pm On Jan 09
@ rhektor
Not worth it
Culture / Re: Animals And Their Various Yoruba Names by Olu317(m): 11:19pm On Jan 09
@ rhektor
Not worth it
Culture / Re: Animals And Their Various Yoruba Names by Olu317(m): 11:12pm On Jan 09
@ rhektor
Culture / Re: Animals And Their Various Yoruba Names by Olu317(m): 11:06pm On Jan 09
@ rhektor
Oni-his wealth
Same as Ancient Hebrew's One: Own.

Should I help you with dictionaries you can consult ?I come in peace grin

Culture / Re: Animals And Their Various Yoruba Names by Olu317(m): 11:00pm On Jan 09
rhektor:

1. There's no such scholarly work that has proven this, it's all conjectures only confirmed in your head.
2. Mention one of those near east you're claiming Yoruba Language is found in their language.
3. Really? 😳
Like they took their animals from where they were migrating from to this present day Yorùbáland? Haba Olu317 rọra parọ́ na. How can migrants bring in animals from their lands to their new settlement? They must have told lion wòó kìnnìún o máa tẹ̀lé wa lọ sí ìrìn-àjò táa fẹ́ẹ́ lọ ní ọrún 😂
Erin ìwọ àti àwọn yòókù ẹ máa bá wa lọ sí ibẹ̀ pẹ̀lú
Ó yá sèbé 🐍 sọ fún àwọn ejò 🐍 yòókù wípé ìrìnàjò kan ń bọ̀ tí gbogbo jíjọ máa lọ
Mention one group of people who has done that in history, just one group
4. I won't stop telling that Tiger is not ẹkùn, go look at different historical pictures and description or depiction of ẹkùn all has nothing to do with Tiger. In fact all Ọba in Yorùbáland who uses awọ
Ẹkùn as footmat uses leopard I don't know where you got your Tiger story from.
5. Are you normal at all? Which historian tell you that tiger roam Africa at any time in history? Which silly historian is that? Is there any archeological evidence for such silly assumption?
6. It is irrelevant when you're being bursted online. If I accepted your lies and go on with it you wouldn't have said it is irrelevant.

Stop lying just stop.

Paeudo-intellectual of nairaland conjuring high-stories in disguise for history
Your inability to comprehend isnt my fault grin.
It is indeed funny to see such as your type paid deaf ear to pronounced fact.

1. Professor David Reich did Dna research on Yorubas and it was clearly affirmed that ancestors of Yorubas diverged from same bloodline in Northern Europe. Hence, lay your hand on such information if you need it. Kindly do the needed subscriptions for it.

2. Many attimes, I have seen your kind brandishing calamity where such arises not. Linguistically,there are words acclaimed to had been borrowed from Arabs through Islam into Yoruba lexicons. Yet you have never asked reason certain words exists in Yorubas and not in Hausa language.

Hausa language is closer to Islam faith lexicons than Yoruba's but are they linguistically closer to Near East language than Yoruba's ? Hell no!

Interestingly, nearly all loan words into Arabic's Islamic lexicons are derived from Biblical-Roman-Greek doctrine of the ancient Hebrews. cheesy. All Islamic prophets are all ancient Hebrew's prophets.

How on earth would you not see these things ? I guess , you have been brainwashed to null all Africans as Black!

You see, Blacks have degrees of colour and differ from Negroes. Learn the difference. Mulattoes of different degrees were the Negroes of ancient time of Aristotle whom he identified as fearless group of hybrids.

3. So, you do not species of animals differs ? Okay! Let me educate you more. Hausa animals are of Sahel origin and are bigger than Yoruba's. Invariably, they are Bigger breeds of animals are of Africa origin while Near East animals are small in stature as found among Yoruba's. Ask specialists in Animal rearing. grin grin to teach you difference between Africa & Near East animals .

Even before Ilorin embryo , people came from different parts of the world to merged into what is known today as Yoruba people.

If you think all Yorubas were Black Africans without admixture from thousands of years aback, then you must be joking!. Are you aware there are Yorubas who are Berbers, Fulanis,Dende, Sudanese,Ethiopians, Arabs, Semitic people ancestrally ? Ilorin is a case study..

4. Káká ki kíniu ṣe akápo "Ẹkùn"......
Rather a Lion be in servitude to " Tiger"....

Has any other Cat stand face to face to defeat Lion other than Tiger on several occasions ?

Can Leopard stand the fierce of Lion in all ramifications ? Leopard is strong but a slim chance to defeat lion as compared between Lion and Tiger.

5. When one is unenlightened as your kind,it turns to cheap insult...I will post link to Tiger roam Africa to shot your kind up.

6. Is there any word as you claimed as "bursted " undecided undecided ? Anyway, there is nothing you can burst--(ed)
Politics / Re: How The Bini Used And Sold The Igbos As Slaves For Centuries - Reno Omokri by Olu317(m): 12:54pm On Dec 04, 2023
TAO11:
Well, since you so eager to have me demonstrate that I’ve debunked your false videos long before in the past, then here you go.

(1) Regarding your bitter lies about the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the following piece-by-piece devastating refutation:

(A) Contrary to your ignorance, captives weren’t taken from “all across Africa” as you imagined.

Rather, captives were taken from Central Africa and West Africa — including people from Benin kingdom whom the Nupe, the Ibadan, Ogedengbe, etc. raided.

(B) Contrary to your ignorance, the Yoruba people have long been known by the name Yoruba (and they’ve been living in their present homeland) for centuries prior to the period when ex-captives began to be returned to Africa.

We know this because the process of returning them ex-captive back ‘home’ to West Africa didn’t begin until circa the late-1700s.

Whereas, there are manuscripts written in the early-1600s which list Yorubas (by their name Yoruba) among some of the ethnic groups of our region of West Africa.

This manuscript which was written by Ahmed Baba in 1615 is attached below.

The name Yoruba is shown in red highlight (among the other ethnic groups) as can be seen in the original manuscript as well as in the translation embedded below respectively:

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This translation was prepared by John Hunwick and Fatima Harrak for The Institute of African Studies Rabat, Morocco

Oh, I should add that we know that this manuscript was written by Ahmad Baba in the year 1615 because he himself penned his date as highlighted (in the attached verso) below:

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The highlight here literally shows the wording “(the year) one thousand and twenty four (of the Hijrah)”.

When converted from this Hijri “AH” calendar into our Gregorian “AD” calendar; the year 1024 AH falls into the year 1615 AD

The formula “D = 0.9692*H + 622” proves practically useful for this conversion.

In sum, your falsehood that returned-slaves (from all across Africa) are what became known as Yorubas is nothing but a but-hurt lie from a depressed bald-head.


(C) These ex-captives who were of West-African origin and Central African origin were repatriated directly to Sierra-Leone and Liberia.

Some began a new life there, while some decided to go back to their homeland from which they were taken ab-initio.

Nobody was repatriated to south-West Nigeria, bald-head.

A number of Yorubas among the returnees chose to return back to Yorubaland — just as many others who returned to their respective original homeland.


(2) The only ethnic-group whom I know of who couldn’t fight their way to freedom and be returned back to Africa are ……. [take a guess].


They couldn’t think of returning until about 400 years later when some of their descendants decided to tap into the science of Genetics as a guide to finding their way back home. ~ See video. below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDve0rwQbM

The two attachments below also shows some earlier corroborative confessions made available to Dr. R. E. Bradbury by these people themselves.

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Peace cheesy
Always electrifying.
Culture / Re: The Oduduwa Controversy by Olu317(m): 11:24pm On Dec 02, 2023
RedboneSmith:


Ok. Here goes.

First of all, I will have to point out that Naiwu Osahon is not a historian - the man has no advanced degree of any sort in any field of history. His LinkedIn page lists all sorts of esoteric titles: Hon. Khu Mkuu (whatever that means), Ameer Spiritual, etc. There's nothing anywhere to suggest that he is a professional historian or has ever published anything on history in a peer-reviewed academic journal. So I'm not going to be referring to him as a historian; I will be referring to him as the author.

1.The author claims the name 'Ife' comes from the Edo word 'Uhe' and means 'va.gina'. Okay, cool story. Considering the fact that Ife or Ufe is a common place-name across the Yoruboid world - from Igala (which speaks a Yoruboid language), to Okun area, to central Yoruba area and even all the way in Benin Republic - but does not occur even once in the Edo area as a place name, it is very easy to identify the Edocentricism in the author's claim. Also the Yoruba do have a Yoruba etymology for the name 'Ife', and I can think of at least one more etymology which matches the topography of the place-name. So your author was definitely incorrect when he claimed Ife to be a non-Yoruba word.

2. Then he went further to make the claim that Ifa rituals and ceremonies must involve Bini traditional faith custodians to be considered authentic. A historian would attach at least one good reference to this claim. There is a vast literature on Ifa. I mean, literally hundreds of books and academic papers have been written on Ifa. He could not bring one of this sources to support this claim? Now, even assuming that no scholar has explored that particular aspect of Ifa rituals, did he witness it himself? Or did he hear about it from a reliable person? A historian who understands the historical method would include that source and relevant details about them in a footnote. There's no such thing here. The author just throws in an unreferenced claim and quickly moved on. That's not scholarly. Again, the authors Edocentric bias is clear to see.

Anyway, on this Oduduwa-Ekaladerhan issue, if Edo historians (trained historians, not accidental ones, like Osahon) are objective and honest with themselves and are willing to apply strict historical methods to the story of Ekaladerhan, they will easily see how the original traditions about Ekaladerhan was deliberately distorted especially since 1970 and they will understand why it has happened.

1. I challenge you or anybody else to find a single account that predates the 1960s and 1970s where it was said that Ekaladerhan went to Ile-Ife or even had anything to do with Ile-Ife. The original story of Ekaladerhan was that he was the son of the last Ogiso Owodo; due to some unfortunate events, he had to flee from Benin; he went south and established himself at Ughoton. Years later, back home in Benin, it was found that Ekaladerhan's exile had been an unfortunate mistake or a malicious plot and an embassy was sent to bring him back. Ekaladerhan refused to return and even fought an army that was sent from Benin to forcibly bring him back. Ekaladerhan lived the rest of his life in Ughoton and died there.

This is the account you will find in all pre-1970 records of Benin history. From Ling Roth in 1903 to Egharevba in 1934 and all the subsequent editions of his work down to 1965. They all agree that Ekaladerhan went to Ughoton, lived the rest of his days there, never returned to Benin and certainly never went to Ife. Again, if you can find a single account from before 1965 that says Ekaladerhan went to Ife, I will immediately apologise for typing rubbish.

2. It was not until around 1970 that the claim of Ekaladerhan going to Ile-Ife surfaced for the first time in the writing of Osaren S. B. Omoregie. Omoregie's story is even different from the one told in Benin today, but it was the first recorded step in that direction. According to Omoregie, Ekaladerhan fled from Benin to Ughoton, then he fled again from Ughoton and wandered around until he came to Ile-Ife. In Ile-Ife, he was adopted into the royal family and adopted the name Omonoyan, which was corrupted to Oranmiyan. Ekaladerhan-now-Omonoyan returned from Ile-Ife to Benin to found the Oba dynasty. Cool story. But apparently, some people in Benin didn't think it was cool enough. Why make Ekaladerhan an adopted prince and a protege of a Yoruba kingdom when he could be a bonafide founding king of a Yoruba state and a pivotal figure not only in Edo history but in the history of all Yoruba as well? Greater Benin and all. So they decided to again change it a little bit.

3. Between 1971 and 1973, three Benin writers (Prince Edun Akenzua, D.U. Edebiri and Air Iyare) re-recrafted the story of Ekaladerhan. In the new account that emerged from their workshop, Ekaladerhan was not adopted into the Ife royal family. There was no royal family in Ife to adopt him. Ife had no king, so the natives accepted to make this prince their king. According to Iyare in 1973, on the day he was installed as the first Oba of Ife, he proclaimed in Edo language, "Ikpomwosa! Idoduwa!" which means "I thank God! I have chosen the path to greatness!" Idoduwa was then corrupted by the Yoruba to Oduduwa.

One can trace the pattern of changing of the Ekaladerhan story thus:-

Up to 1965: Ekaladerhan was a Benin prince who was exiled to Ughoton and died there.
In 1970: Ekaladerhan did not die in Ughoton. He went to Ile-Ife and became Oranmyian
Between 1971 and 1973: He went to Ile-Ife, but instead of becoming Oranmiyan, he became Oranmiyan's father Oduduwa.

Who knows what he will become 75 years from today.

I will like to add here that students of African history will do well to study a phenomenon known as the lost-heir theme or the exiled-heir theme. This phenomenon was discussed albeit not exhaustively by David Henige in his paper "Oral Tradition and Chronology".

In brief, the legend of the lost or exiled heir is used especially by pre-literate cultures to hide the fact that they have experienced a change in dynasty or that they have accepted a new line of foreign rulers. So instead of admitting that one dynasty has ended and a new foreign dynasty has come to power, many pre-literate societies will come up with the claim that the founder of the new dynasty is actually a prince from the old dynasty who got lost or was exiled, but has now returned to re-establish the rule of his fathers and thus ensure dynastic continuity. This phenomenon accounts for why preliterate African kingdoms appear to have far fewer successive dynasties than their counterparts in Europe and Asia. Historians have identified instances where this exiled-heir device was used in other African kingdoms like Buganda and Rwanda. Robin Law also suspects that the Bariba exile of the Alaafin of Oyo in the 16th century has been used to cleverly mask the fact that Oyo may have experienced a dynastic change at this period which probably brought in a line of Bariba Alaafin. This is exactly what Omoregie, Edebiri and Iyare did with the Eweka dynasty between 1970 and 1973. (By the way, I don't think this is the only time this device has been used in Benin tradition. It may have been used at least two other times - but let me not get into that.)

It is more than likely that the line of rulers that replaced the Ogiso in Benin was of Yoruba origin.
Interesting points
Culture / Re: Àwọn Ẹranko Li Èdè Yorùbá Pẹ̀lú Àwòrán by Olu317(m): 9:07am On Dec 01, 2023
Raydos:


I always wonder about the same thing but anyway sha!

And thank for the compliment, I really appreciate it!


My dear brother, Yoruba is a complex but orderly Race. So, I do not doubt Yoruba ancestry which established the fact that their ancestors have dna in Northern Europe before the divergent back to Africa over 20,000 years ago. Interestingly,the oldest fossil in Yoruba land is ±13000 years ago at iho eleru at Akure axis which the Northern Europe account null.


This is one out of many information that posit that Yoruba ancestors were hunter gatherers and migrants of some sort from far land.

Like I said, I appreciate your effort once more. Kudos

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Culture / Re: Àwọn Ẹranko Li Èdè Yorùbá Pẹ̀lú Àwòrán by Olu317(m): 10:35pm On Nov 30, 2023
Raydos:
Ẹkùn — Leopard
Ẹkùn with its English translation is controversial among some scholars but Yorùba ancestors specifies a relationship which is basically contention between two rivalry cats family that point to Lion as rival to Tger.

No other cat family can withstand Lion's strenght apart from Tiger. And I wonder if Yoruba ancestors will adopt a low rank cat as Leopard to place such as part royalty emblem to equate or compare the two.

The proverb is self explanatory:
Kákà ki kiniu ṣé akàpo ẹkùn ni
oníkálùku a dẹ ọdẹ lọ́ọ̀tọ̀tọ

Rather a Lion represents Tiger ,
each hunts differently

Irè o


Addendum
I doff my heart over these challenging work you have done so far by placing each animal besides its pictures even with little discrepancies.
Culture / Re: Oranmiiyan Was The Son Of A Benin Prince Who Was Exiled by Olu317(m): 2:26pm On Nov 25, 2023
creativehubb:

According to your obas yorubas are the first man on earth, igbos are yorubas grin

You people are known liars, even your obas...Ile'Ife is a weak town created by a Benin Prince, Aworis are ancestrally Benin...the delusions of grandeur of your tribe is just fables. Oba of Benin stated categorically, Benin empire, kingship have nothing to do with Yoruba, rather our prince created Ile'Ife.

Erelu Dosunmu will tell you she is ancestrally Benin, Oba of Lagos will tell you same, because they know the truth, we took obaship into southwest...Oba'to kpe'e. I'se has been the praise slogan of our kings since time immemorial, is that a Yoruba word?

If you are not great don't try to share in our glory, you people always like attachment.

Even today the greatness of the Benin empire exists, you can see it...compare your Ooni to our Oba, it will tell you a lot, your obas that lie anyhow, only you yorubas listen to them...show me any sign of Yoruba greatness in history, I mean real greatness...you people were singing praises to Oba of Benin, worshipping him, as your creator.

your oduduwa is our Benin Prince. Humans don't fall from the sky.

Educated slowpoke.
Ignorance is a big disease. Had you known that even there are fulani Yorubas, Hausa Yorubas, Arab Yorubas, Tuareg Yorubas , Tapa Yorubas, Borgu Yorubas, Akan Yorubas, Egun Yorubas, Suriname Yorubas, European Yorubas, Americas Yorubas etc, you wouldn't cry over a spill milk.

Let me look at your pathetic bias mind and walk on because you are not real to yourself for not even seeing beyond the reality at hand.
Culture / Re: Owonrin: The Scientific Nature Of Yoruba Language by Olu317(m): 7:56pm On Nov 22, 2023
absoluteSuccess:
The reward

There are 16 ancient chapters of Ifa, each is coined from words derived from recess of classic events in ancient Yoruba history. For instance, the sixth chapter of Ifa is named "owonrin meji". The question is, what is owonrin?

Well it's a good piece of clause. However, owonrin has fascinated our fathers of old and priests of ancient Yoruba who have tried to interpret the clause with anecdotes to be found in Ifa.

One of such systematically interpret owonrin in half as "scarcity". But going by the sense of the phrase, owonrin doesn't have anything to do with scarcity.

Rather, owonrin simply implies "iron breaker". That's a phrase that has been formed from the ancient Yoruba idea of divine justice, a strong hero that cannot be shackled in iron or imprisonment.

Now, going by this discovery, the thought that a shackle breaker tradition exist in Yoruba of old validate my claim on ateworo.



The bolded is the context from where the phrase owonrin was coined. The verb is almost obsolete.

Won as "break" is the source code for Owonrin, combined with irin, Yoruba for iron. The phrase became an entry in Ifa as of old.

The priests of old could not break the phrase because the source of the phrase has to be known before it can be decrypted.
Great effort though seeing your zeal to always inform. But, Owonrin, is more of letting the past be for a solidifying the present and things to come.

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