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Seun:
Project management is taught part of Engineering. Senior Engineers are good project managers.

Policy formulation, implementation and management if not lean or six sigma!

As someone who did Advanced Engineering Project management and Technology in my Masters course so years back, I am of the opinion that Engineers are Engineers and they should be allowed to be just that. Engineering project management in my opinion should be left to those whose career training is management.





[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=704825.msg8642360#msg8642360 date=1309721405]Robotics is interdisciplinary, and from my understanding you can approach it from a background in mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, or computer science (or a combination of these areas.)[/quote]Completely spot on!

SEFAGO:
Nothing beats hydroponics engineering sha. That one na original engineering degree

Have you ventured into Advanced AIE?

homerac7:
@ Omo tier,

U r d one confusing things. While mechatronics is d interface of mechanical and electrical/electronics, it also serves as basis of further digression called system automation (or simply automation). This aspect is meeting point for basic mechanical and electrical engineers where u can competently further your career wtout any need for tinkering.

Robotics is advanced mechanical control system, where u design between your real and imaginary s plane and revert back to real plane using Laplacian tools. U r talking abt complex system dynamics and balance solutions using advanced matrices. It's pure mechanical engineering and even when u study it under physics, It comes under mechanics. Currently, its d precursor of Nano-engineering.

My dear, hope I made dt clear enough.

The part in bold makes no sense. I know where your misunderstanding is coming from.
Mechanical Engineering is simply these;
1. Structures (Statics and Dynamics)
2. Dynamics
3. Heat transfer and Power Conversion
All others are derivatives which came about in a bid to bridge the gap between  applied mathematics and Engineering.

Robotics Engineering encompasses all of Mechanical and Electrical Engineering with bias that is why a Mechanical Engineer with good background in Structures or Dynamics can work in a Robotics Lab or project but a Robotics Engineer CAN NOT work in Aerospace, Bio-mechanical or Core Automotives.

I also think your definition of Mechatronics is very limited! Can I also remind you that Automation involves programming, meaning computer science is very much part of Mechatronics? Yes?

Evil Brain:
Typical senseless Nigerian behavior. I'm sick and tired of seeing stu.pid people abusing prescription drugs the way people do here. From using powerful antibiotics to treat catarrh to the nonsense this woman did.

How could she be so irresponsible taking such a powerful drug without a doctor's supervision and at such high doses. She could very easily have killed herself and and all her babies. She was just lucky she managed to get herself to a place where the oyibo magas were willing to treat her for free. And the newspaper is also at fault for mentioning the name of the drug she used. Now god knows how many reta.rded nigerian women will want to try the same nonsense. For every woman who does this and gets away with it, maybe a hundred will end up with a bunch of dead babies or worse.

She should not be allowed to get away scot-free. They should lock her up and make her wash plates until she pays her hospital bills.

Rubbish!

a good judge waits to hear both sides of an event, take stocks of the fact of the matter, thereafter concludes.

You have not had the oppourtunity of hearing from both sides and you'r passing judgement already.Moreso that the article is coming from a tabloid who once claimed Lagos is the capital of Nigeria and that Nigeria is an islamic country.

I take articles from the sun less serious because they are a bunch of misfits

This is why I keep saying that our position on international matters should be positive neutral like Brazil so we can tell the UK off any time we deem fit to.

GEJ better wake up and start running serious government that will stand upto to the greed of the UK and US otherwise I smell military coup from top brass from some region of the country.

I have a very serious concern abour this article.In as much as I do not approve of what the lady did, however this is my take on this article.

1.I see it as part of the continued attack on the image of Nigeria by British tabloid all in the name of immigration. This woman deserve a right to a private life and I am appalled that the Home Office who have always claimed they do not comment on individual cases in press decided otherwise in this instance.

2. The article claimed she bought fertility prescription tablets over the counter in Lagos without stating where and/or which clinic it was bought from.

3. The article claimed the husband came visiting and fled to Nigeria after seeing that the number of babies were 5. Again, sounds like an invention of truth. From whom did they get thier own version of informatiom from? The wife, friends, or close relatives in London or UK?

As for the medical bills, I think the UK should bear the full cost. They claim NHS in National and not international, but why then do they collect National Insurance from foriegn born working in the UK who never use any of the NHS facilities because they have either a work or private health insurance.

Finally, it looks like Nigeria is now the new Zimbabwe for UK sensationlist tabloids. Are they tired of whinging about Mugabe?

But looking at NSE statement, I think they got it wrong!

I am not a fan of GEJ -at all not in one bit,though I pray He performs-, in my own humble submission, you really do not need Engineers as Ministers. What you need is good policy makers and project managers something I know too well we engineers lack in.

NSE should rather fight to make sure those who do the actual work in those ministries so affected are competent engineers.
You do not have to be an engineer to know that a road needs an expansion or that a bridge needs levelling ora second tier!

The president can appoint engineers in his core team of professionals who will guide him to take firm decisions. In most of the developed countries, the skilled professionals work in cabinate office and they serve as "brain box" of government.They really never bother themselves with political appointments as that are left to those who know how to formulate policies.

homerac7:
@ gregg2,

u simply dont know what u r talking abt. sometimes its wiser to keep quiet, it makes u appear wiser. please take to dt

@ alj 'boko" harem

i hav always known u to b a jester, so no oofeeinse (permission from your twin brother, mr cork). Beaf once advised dt u get goat brain transplant for N200 in place of your current limited capacity brain (still joking wt u my brother). Robotics is an arm of mecganical engineering if u must know. its just like u sayind a highway or hydro engineer is not a civil engineer.

@ all, i think a lot of nairalanders talk rubbish

Part in bold is misleading to say the least. Robotic Engineering -Robotics- is not Mechanical Engineering -Mechanics-

People often confuse MECHATRONICS with ROBOTICS engineering. While the former is a branch of mechanical engineering, the later is not.

Have they cleaned up leeds, birmingham, where islam radicalism and extremism is the order of the day?

Or have they successfully removed UK as the number terrorist heaven in europe?

From the article itself, it is so obvious that this is nothing abou terror plots but rather there is something being cooked up by the government against innocent Nigerians. Fact is, there are more radical moslems in England alone than the entire Northern Nigeria.
Even in thier university campuses, radicalization is taking place right under the nostrils of these so called spy chiefs, yet little has been done about it and they are busy about others business. Same way they went about calling others illitrates and today, 1 in 10 Brits are stack illitrates who can neither spell thier names nor write thier house address.

Nigeria has issues and we will deal squarely with them without obnoxious comments from UK spy chiefs!

well fellas like me will stick to what we know.

my yahoo e-mail is over 11years old, my hotmail is over 10years old, didn't bother with gmail 'cos it didn't offer me anything new per say.

G+ maybe a game changer or a boredom!Again, it really has no effect on those of us who never bother with facebook on our d2d living.

disgusting.

dejumotalks:
I actually intend to visit for like 3weeks den later go back to stay with her by End of the year.

What do you advise?

If I may ask, is your wife on a Masters degree programme and how many months visas was she given and how many months is left?
As for your last post, I have my reservations but I will let you know what I think once I get your answer to my questions above.

Regards.

dejumotalks:
, @Omo-tier1, great job u ar doing I must confess and d numerous good peeps in d house.

Here goes my question, I need to know what documents are required for a PBS T-4 dependant visa as I wanna apply as a dependant on my wife.

I was actually finkin of doing a family visitor initially but was advised I go for a dependant visa instead. Documents I ave presently are; Marriage cert.,CAS letter from wife, Her Psprt data page (which has her maiden name), Newspaper change of name, 1.5m bank statmt(£6000), an income of >150k/month etc

What other supporting docs does she need to send t and what other docs do I need to attach.

Advise from other veterans wld be well appreciated as I intend to apply for the Dependant visa in less than 2weeks.

Before I reply you on the documents required, could you clarify if you actually plan to remain with your wife in the UK or you just want to pay her a visit? The part in bold in your post got me thinking.

justwise:
@Omo_Tier1


I don't think the poster will be denied a visa if he applies with that bank statement, he took the money out and returned it the SAME day, all he needs to do is to write a letter  attached to his visa application calling the ECO's attention to the mistake or even use the blank space provided in that form to explain what really happened.

I really do not see him been denied a visa in this situation. If they denied him a visa then he will definitely win the appeal.

I agree with you completely that is I asked for the poster to check her online statement to see if both the withdrawal and payment reflected same day on the statement.
My concern is that the ECO may just gloss over the statement and pick out the line of printout where the balance was below the minimum requirement without actually realizing that it was a temproary withdrawal which was credited back within hours. - I know a case very similar to this where the ECO refused the Tier 1 application and it was the AIT judge who took his time to spot the ECO's errorneous mistake that save the day for that applicant and his appeal was allowed-
Another concern is the way the immigration rules are worded and how ECOs follow them up like black letter law - hence the reason I made the suggestion to the poster to use a joint account statement in addition to her own statement and the let the ECO know of the shortfall in a letter like you rightly suggested.

claremont:
Who deserves a ban?! Is it me who advised he should get his sponsors bank account, or you who advised that he should formulate an illegal and dodgy joint account with his friend to deceive the ECO?! So this is the kind of "immigration advice" you have been peddling around this forum, good luck to the persons who use your "advice".

I told you your unreasonableness will not allow you to see beyond your nostrils -holier than thou peddler-

If you read my post at the beginning, you would see where I made it clear than I wouldn't normally give such advice but however, as this case is unique and puts the poster in an unfortunate position,I made the suggestion to use a joint account, to cover the date where the misunderstanding might arise.

If you weren't a devil's advocate, you would have observed in my post where I asked the poster to check her online bank statement to peruse the balance. From the poster reply -if you weren't dig a do- you would have realized that the poster meets the requirement even on the day money was withdrawn, however 'cos of the way ECOs read the immigration rules in black letter, to avoid delay, I advice she sort a joint account. This is in no way deceiving the ECO. Wherr ECOs that reasonable and fair in judgement, all this poster would have done is just write a letter and attach same to her application form!

I fail to understand your reasoning in its entirety!

Check my post, when I advice, I do so strictly based on immigration rules and I often make attempt to post links.I know what it means to have the right intentions only to mis the mark due to lack of information. Not every body enjoy or are old white ladies peddlers.

I asked you to go read Sedley's LJs take on this matter of maintainance in the case of Pankina and I bet you never did. If you did, I am sure you would have had a second thought!

May I also say that this is the last I would reply you, as you come across as an unreasonable individual and I would do well to skip your post wherever I find one - not that those I have read in the past are worth reading either!-

speechless!

claremont:
Well, like I said to the Poster, good luck to him after he has followed your "advice" and formulated a joint account with his friend. "real practical UK immigration experience" my black a*se

if only this forum had an iggy feature, I long would have placed you on ban for real since you fail to see beyond your nostrils.

Why don't you give a helpful advice instead acting like a devil's advocate?

cutesy:
Any response to this, please:

nce again, thanks a lot for the patience and time dedicated to all these million million questions.

Ok, my final question before I submit,

The section that states "have you ever been refused a visa".

I have, only once in 2008 and that was a schengen visa to Greece. It was supposed to be for a 5 day training organized by my office then, but they still turned it down, The reason being insufficient funds. Till today, I still wonder what the hell that meant coz my account was booming!!!.

Anyways, for this purpose, pls advise me. Do I tell the truth about this (as I intend to anyway) and when I do, will this affect my current application to the UK?

Do you think its advisable I let sleeping dogs lie? for the record, there is no sign at all of this on my passport, they were kind enuff not to mark it in any way. This passport is also old as I now have a new on

Yes, please include that info in your application form.Really, it will have no impact on your application per say BUT disclosing it now will save you from any issue that has to do with disclosing material facts.

cutesy:


I do appreciate, but having gone thru the posts, I'm even more confused than before!!!!!

Can you please pretty please just post a checklist for stuff my invitee needs to include along with the Invitation letter? And will he need to courier it to me or will scanning suffice?A lot of mixed opinions on the scanning thing above ooo 

Thanks for helping poor helpless me out, 

DOCUMENTS THE INVITEE NEEDS TO FORWARD TO YOU:
1.Original copy of the letter of invitation preferably handwritten or typed but let it be informal like a normal correspondence
2.Six months utilities bills like UK gas and electricity bill -This is mainly to establish his place of residency and for basic checks if required.This bill MUST be in the name of your invitee with same address as that He wants you to use as his address otherwise in cases where the invitee has not spent a long period in that address, the bills for previous address should be included with a letter of explanation. This isnt compulsory but it helps clear things up.
3.Six months bank statements if the person is sponsoring your trip. Even if that is not the case, a financial statement backed with bank statement from your invitee to the ECO, stating to that effect that He/She has the financial means to take care of you while you are there will surely help!

As for the documents you need to submit, need me not repeat postings, read this thread;
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-127964.3808.html
^^ here you would find list of documents itemized by the poster by name jt2010. Those are more than sufficient in your case to establish your ties here i.e, to convinced the ECO that you intend to return to Nigeria after your visit.

Please as much as possible, ALL documents should be original, and where not possible to include originals but photocopies, a written explanation in form of a letter to ECO must be included with your application. As for your invitee documents, get him/her to send them by post NOT e-mail or scan copies.

And can I also add that this list is not exhaustive and please make sure you do your own vetting that ALL DOCUMENTS ARE GENUINE NOT FAKE!

Hope this help.

is he the boko haram they ought to be tackling? a misfit of a secret service!

who are they trying to make a fool of?
Ima Niboro's job is on the line, if not any new serious government will almost certainly appoint a spokeman to give the government a face. But in the case of Ima Niboro aka beaf, GEJ did not see it as a priority. Which means, He views Ima Niboro's retention of that post as something he needs to have a look at critically.

By the way what is the need of this Ima Niboro of a blunder when the talkative former Minister of information -now cleared again by the senate- seems to know his onions?

Can someone tell beaf that the dollars He collceted during campaign, that now is the time to spend it! Men must wack,  either settle the boys or you roast beaf! Better still go sell one of those galaxy tabs you got from GEJ to pay the job ransom!

claremont:
You mean he should lie to the ECO that he and his friend operate a joint account?! And I advised him to get his sponsors bank statement to support his, yet you say I have credibility issue So which advice sounds more credible, getting sponsor's bank statement or telling lies to a ECO that you operate a joint account with a friend What a load of s?h/i?t/e advice from a supposedly "learned" person!

As someone who has paid attention to some of your post in this and other threads, I refused to be persuaded by apt comments from you.

Let me say clearly; you fail to consider the fact of this case in the light of fairness, natural justice and legitimate expectation.
Naturally looking at this poster case, in the spirit of the immigration rules as per maintainance fund, she meets the maintainance criteria as her account was only momentarily short by a few pounds only for couple of hours for which the balance was madr up on same day.

However, knowing what the ECOs are good at, i.e. in the letters of the immigration rules, I am concerned they may take advantage of the wording of the immigration rules which specify that the funds must be there "at all times", ignoring the spirit behind the reason why maintainance funds requirement was put in place at all.

I would suggest you go read the judgement of Sedley LJs in Pankina vs SSHD [2010]EWCA 719.From this 'beautiful' judgement handed down by his Lordship,you will observe how he express serious misgivings by the way and manner in which UKBA/HO assess applicants while neglecting the real essence on why certain provisions were made in the immigration rules.

In nutshell, this would be applicant as stated in the post 'mistakenly' withdrew from the balance account even though money was suppose to be paid in.- This can happen to just about any body- and the difference of sums we are talking about here is minute compared to the chunk left in the account. Obviously this influenced my suggesting the joint account statement 'cos it will be foolhardy for someone to have worked so hard only to be refused with the very possibility that on appeal, the judge will on 'discretion' allow such appeal. Also, she is not in any way lying to the ECO as long as her friend consent to the joint bank account state - I know your unreasonableness will not allow fairness to prevail- ,

I think I will stop for now and please also know that it is not enough to know the 'letters' of the immigration rules - like I have said in this forum, experience counts and let those (like justwise)with real practical UK immigration experience continue to assist genuine applicants; needless say not all are prepared to 'run a field' with 'whites' in the name of securing British documents. - let the sleeping dog lay -.

megeness:
@omo tier 1, thanks I will do wat you said, i will be goin to my friend's bank 2morrow with him 2 sort dis out, in btw i have paid all my school fees and my school owes me 300 pounds, I was advised that i should tell my uni to indicate that one my CAS, that they owe me 300 pounds for my maintenance, so with the joint account and extra 300 pounds, i think i should be fine, I will get a letter from my uni on 300 pounds matter, thanks man, u have been very helpful

Good, having that on your CAS will also help. You may also want to include that in your letter to the ECO.

Do let me know how your meeting with your friend went and hopefully, you will get the joint statement sorted and start paying attention to packaging of the application.

megeness:
One more thing, does the money in my account still count even if i get d joint account, cos my friend has agreed to make me a joint account holder, by my understanding, d joint account should only show dat I had the 100 pounds removed on dat day, so i suppose I cud print both statement. the joint account doesnt necessarily need to show 1200 pounds, pls advice

Please ignore that nonsense posted by that poster!I will be very careful taking advice from someone that has credibility issue.

Basically, all I am advising you to do is this. Get your bank statement and that of your friend who have agreed for you to be a joint account holder, and combine both statements as your evidence of maintainance funds. This is very legal and there is nothing untold about it. I advice such because it has been successfully used to apply for fresh visas and extensions visas.

I also advice you include a letter with your application to the ECO, stating that you are attaching two different sets of bank statements as evidence of maintainance. I went on to state further the details you should include in the letter.

In nut shell, when you add your statement and the joint, the total will be above £1200 - meaning you meet the requirement in excess!-

claremont:
Guy, you don't need an immigration law expert to work this out for you; it's simple common sense!!! The UKBA guidance says that a specific sum must remain in your account for 28 days, and it must not fall below that sum. The bank statement you have provided clearly shows that at a certain point the balance in your account fell below the stated requirements, which means that you are not eligible for the 10 points ascribed to maintenance fees. Therefore you do not meet the requirement and hence you are ineligible for a student visa renewal, simples!!! It's not rocket science really.
A way out might be to get a bank statement from your sponsor, with documents to show your relationship with him/her.

Utter rubbish!

cutesy:
Thanks a million. I still need a bit more clarification:

1. My friend is my brother-in-law. What does he need to send to me apart from an invitation letter

Please go through this thread as very  recently people have been asking similar question and detailed answers have been provided as per documents your invitee needs to supply with your invitation letter.

2. Does it matter that I'm applying as a visitor, even though my brother-in-law is inviting me?

No, being your brother in law improves your chances of getting it -i.e. if you can strongly prove your relationship with him. Usually, a statement in the letter of invitation attesting to the relationship is sufficient as the would call your in law to confirm if they are in doubt


3. Do I still need to pay for a hotel in advance even though I don't yet have the Visa  NO,as your in law will include his accommodation details as where you will be staying.You can always change your mind to stay in hotel once you arrive.

4. Do I also need an itinerary as a matter of compulsion?

NOPE

5. Will my chances of securing a visa be any better if I apply for a family VISA instead, remember, I am the one sponsoring my trip.

Your bank account will influence the ECO decision in that regard.If sponsoring a family, then sure you have to be certain that you have the money to cover flight cost plus expenses in your account. Also make sure your salary and/or source of income is traceable to your account

6. How long does the entire process take, anyways?

from 2days to two weeks and it all depends how straight forward your application is,

if you still need further information, plesse feel free to say so.

Sorry, but I really need to know,

see my answers within you post in black!

who is this dude trying to make a fool off? Sincerely, some Nigerians have issues

jt2010:
Omo Tier,

Many thanks, I have contact some UK tour operator like:

asatours.co.uk'
coxandkings.co.uk

I will revert with detail of correspondenses with them.

Great, do supply details and please be sincere while in discussion with them! Once your discussion has reached an advanced stage, tell them about your recent visas refusals and see what thier response will be.

Please do not pay any money until you have validated to make sure the tour operators are on the UK tour operators register.

megeness:
hey man thanks alot, see lemme explain in more detail, I had abt 1360 in my account and i was expecting 100 pounds 2 hit my account from a friend, so i mistakenly withdrew 250 pounds from d 1360 just before the 100pounds reflected in my account, so when i checked my balance i had abt 1110 pounds. I rushed back to d bank to deposit 100 pounds immediately, this was around 1pm ish,

I had the bank print a ministatement dis is how it is:

30-06-2011 - 01-07-2011 100 1218
30-06-2011 250 1118
30-06-2011 1218

I think you are in a dicey situation.Because of the way Immigration rules is being interpreted by ECO these days i.e, by the letter and not by the spirit of the law, chances are the ECO will pick on the shortfall even though it was momentarily for few hours.

I think to avoid controversies, just do like I suggested in my previous post; that way you will be covered regardless of how the ECO interpretes the immigration rules.
I will try and enquire of any immigration case law that addresses your concerns and post here if it will help.

megeness:
HEY GUYS,  I mistakenly removed 100 pounds from my account 2day from d 1200pounds that is required for my visa extension but i put it back immediately, its already 20 days and i have an appointment wit UKBA on d 11th, I need 2 knw if it will be any problem when I apply, pls advice!, cheers

If you are in the UK and you have acess to online banking, then log in to your account,and check if the balance recorded on your statement on that day is above the minimum required by the UKBA - this will be the case if you paid the money back same day before 2pm (in HSBC) or 4pm in some banks, i think NatWest and Barclays are 4pm.

I DO NOT NORMALLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS SUCH AS THIS HOWEVER IF YOU ARE SINCERE AS YOUR POST SEEMS TO SUGGEST,then go for this option.

If that is not the case,i.e the money fell below; an easyway out is get a friend who has an account with deposit covering the period of your shortfall and request if he/she can make you a joint account holder,then you can use both your statement and the joint account statement. BUT, you would have to do yourself a favour by writing a letter (to be included with your application) to the ECO, indexing the period covering the time you have held the money (i.e 1200) in your account, referencing the relevants sheets of bank statement to serve as evidence.
MAKE SURE that when you reference the sheets in the letter that you include; THE SHEET(s) NUMBER(S), THE ACCOUNT NAME(S) ON THE SHEET, THE ACCOUNT NUMBER(S) AND SORT CODE(s),THE PRINT DATES,AND THE SINGLE (if using just your account)OR COMBINED (if using you account and the joint account)TOTAL BALANCE IN THE ACCOUNT.Get the letter signed off by hand! This way, the ECO will be unable to claim that he/she didnot see the other bank statements sheets!
Hope this helps.

Was this a classical set up by the unseen powers? Have a read of this insightful revelations on ex-IMF chief alledged violation case!

http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=811209&f=110&p=1

I guess those in the known would come out for once at let NLers know the truth!