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he sure does have liver!, digging abit more and it seems the guy is a nutter.Who knows how long he must have been doing this?

First it was a pant bomber, now an airport based flight ticket thief! Next time 'm flying may have to wear long american pants with double zips!

oh my beloved Nigeria!

Was Ima Niboro masquarading as beaf on NL? Time to show the bare skin?

cutesy:
Hi!!!

I want to say that there is a wealth of solid information on this forum; keep up the good work, guys!!!

My question is this, if I apply for a UK Visa (first time app by the way) as a general visitor/tourist, do I have to specify a hotel where I will stay? What if I have a friend I can stay with coz i will go with kids.

we actually intend to spend at most a week in the buk and do lots of sight seeing and shopping.

Kindly advise, I don't want to be refused!!!!

(all other documents need for tourism are valid and complete by the way ie bank statement, payslip, company letter etc)

Will really appreciate this,  thanx.

Answer to the part in bold, YES you will need to show proof of payment for hotel accommodation for either the whole period of your holiday or atleast for much of it.

If you have a friend, why not request for an invitation letter and other documents as required as this will make things easier for you. Although, a burden of proof will be on you to establish the closeness or otherwise of you and your invitee. Specifying just the address of your friend as your accommodation MAY not help you much.

jt2010:
Guys,

I apply as a general visitor and my application was refused. Here is the letter of refusal. What should i do now.

Sorry for not replying in time. I have read your Notice of Refusal and I will be honest with you, on "point of law" you gave the ECO too much leg room.

I understand from your post that you included a list of places you would like to visit, however it appeared it was not sufficient to convince the ECO of the genuiness of the visit.

The refusal does say you do not have a right of appeal, however there are two options left open to you to challenge the ECO decision.-A letter of representation and/or a Judicial Review- But in my view, both options are expensive and time costly.
And given the observations of the ECO in the refusal, I think the best way is for you to repackage yourself and make another application- an option I feel is cost effective-
Reapply, but this time find someone to either invite you over or help you get a tour operator in London who would help prepare a tour package including accommodation with which you can use to reapply. When you do reapply,include a letter to the ECO, addressing the issues/concern He/She raised and how you have addressed them. I think you have a very good chance of getting the visas going by the comment of the ECO in his letter. Also, this time around if you have secured the services of the tour guide, come back here and I will gladly help out with packaging your documents.

This story is really weird, odd and funny! click to read,

http://www.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=38321&content=53300288&pageNum=-1

modath:
Omo T,
Our planned booking is lag-lon with a 2 hour stopover in dubai,but I intend to buy some H&C shirts for myself and some close family friends. Some folks have told me Dubai stuff(especially designer perfumes) are most often than not fake/or below western world standard but I don't really believe them cos they haven't been there and are only just parroting what "some people" have told them. Will I still pay 20% on the shirts?.

Shopping in Dubai is just like shopping in London. You can not expect to buy a shirt of £5 and expect it to last you 9months! UK high street is no longer what it used to be as UK has turned herself into paper based economy!

Yes, goods deemed VAT'able cost you 20% more in UK plus profit.

Yes, there are fake goods in Dubai too just like you would find in UK. It all depends where you go shopping and price too. So like every shopping one does, you have to be vigilant!

modath:
Omo T,you always come through,Someone else suggested this too, since the motion has been seconded the AYES have it but how do we go about it??.

Do the sight seeing when coming back from London and even take advantage to do some shopping as you would save yourself some pounds by avoiding buying much goods in London -do not even talk about the obnpxious 20% VAT -

Mind you Dubai and London goods when it comes to quality are almost same.
I hope your flight from LOS to LHR is a direct flight with stop over in Dubai and not a flight from LOS to DBX  and then DBX to LHR?

lingani:
yes he did the lady i was refering to is married to a british as well ,her only difference is that her personal bank statement was the one that was fake apparently her husband did not spend more than 10mins in the court, apparently as much as he condoned the fact that a false doc was used he ruled in their favour quoting 7c and article 8 ,so i pray mine goes well as well.

Great, in that sense, there is a legal precedence you lawyer can rest his appeal on.
Again, I recall you said neither you nor your husband have breached the immigration rules in the past, so obviously that will work in your favour.

While I wholeheartedly wish you success in your appeal, please let us take this unpleasant experience, use it as a guide to persuade and encourage ourselves and others on the need to thoroughly vet the information and documents we use in visas processing so as to avoid being victims of the unintended consequences of document manipulations.

@jt2010,
I have seen your post and I will respond once I read your notice of refusal on my screen.

Even Home student can't dream of paying £3000 as from next year!

In my time, student house rent and bills was about £5500! And you want to pay tuition of £3000?

Again, I think its a waste of time if your hoping on studying in a college here in the UK with £3000 as most of them are now exhaulted Academies of the Blairites clan!

modath:
I managed to speak with a guy at emirate desk after holding on for 100 years. We are intending to fly emirate because we want to experience the sight&sound of Dubai and we garnered that its only 96 hrs transit(from immigration control at the airport) that we can spend without "pre-requesting" for entry visa here in Nigeria.

I rather have you connect your flight in less than 5hrs upon arriving Dubai! You can always do your sight seeing one your way back!

modath:
Thanks Omo T,why now but thank God we are still at the shopping for the CHEAPEST flights stage as we intend to do lag-dxb-lon.
Do you know anything about stopovers/transit in dubai, saw something about the 96 hrs dubai transit visa but all the info I have gathered on the internet have not been precise.
I called Emirate(we are leaning seriously towards emirate) local office but the pre-recorded call pick up is annoying.
Any help from any quarters will be greaty appreciated.

I can confirm you do not need any transit visas to book LOS-DXB-LHR.
If your departure flight is 2pm,(Lagos, nigeria time) then chances are that you will be in Heathrow by 11am next morning.
If departurr from Lagos is 10pm outbound Dubai, then you can expect to be in Heathrow by 6pm next day.

The difference is, you will only be allowed to either remain in the aircraft for about 2hrs or less (if its same B777 heading to London)or you are allowed to go to duty free but must not cross immigration otherwise you would be arrested for illegal entry without visas.

Call Emirates office in VI at 9 am, you would get someone to speak to. Forgot the lady's number if I can get on my laptop, I may put it up here.

Why not flying Arik? Is Emirate still charging £660 or there about on LHR route? Just to add that you would end up spending upto 12hrs or more on your journey compared to 5hrs 30mins direct Arik. Sorry, I loathe BA and Virgin.

dustydee:
2025 is too far, I expect it to be earlier(2020) if our officials will reduce their corruption.

2025 is not too far, lets be real.We need at least 10years of continuous investment in power, road, railway, hospitals, schools and university, security and a corresponding decline in public and private orruption for our economy to climb out of the woods.

lingani:
thanks 4 your reply will keep u posted of the outcome, but from my little knowledge so far from what i understand for them to use 320 11 there needs to be aggravating factors and in this situation there arent any ,as i stated earlier that i have never been to the uk .my lawyer in the uk seems i will eventually be granted on appeal ,he states that on case law previous does not matter with timeframe nor category .have been refered to a lady from ghana who apparently went thru more or less the same predicament and has actually been given her visa 3months ago.
no need to apologise u have helped me. be blessed and will let u pple know the outcome.

The part in bold is what I tried to imply in my last post.
But did your Lawyer tell you of any case law as per 320(7b) and (7c) in light of couples who fell foul of that section pf the rules?

Any how, do come back and let us know how it all went. I sincerely wish you well and I pray you succeed in your appeal. AIT judges are kinda open and considerate especially when a British citizen is involved.

lingani:
it was a uk based bank statement and the refusal under 320b was on the current application based on the previous deception i e the previous application had a fault @Omo-Tier1 do u know anywere where i can find information that 7c is applied only if error occured before the marriage would like to research more thanks

If you read that link I posted, albeit its a UKBA document, or better if you read the immigration rules directly, you will notice that the 'spirit' of that section of the immigration rules is as though forgiven of past sin in the light of your new life with a partner (- I MAY BE WRONG).
On the face of the rules themselves, it would appear your appeal will succeed, but I rest may hope that the possibility of the appeal succeeding hangs on this;

whether your previous breach -by using fake documents- is seen by the AIT judge as an attempt by you, your partner and/or both "to have contrived IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY to frustrate the purpose and intention of the immigration rules itself and Section 7C in particular" SORRY I SOUND LIKE A POD! Also, the immigration status of your partner will play a big role in this.

Your situation falls into one of those silent points not covered by the immigration rules itself whether delibrately or not is a matter to be decided by the courts or the SSHD.

dove30:
@ omo tier
   to be honest i did not write anything on the additional part.i only gave them my reference number and stated i was refused last year where i was required to state this.moreover even without knowing that information my ban was to expire April 31 2011 because this was when the one year ban finished.

Okay, I think we should cross our finger and expect the ECO to read every line of the form - something (from experience) appears they barely do.

JIC, in future applications, include a letter, note, etc explaining to the ECO and make clear the position of the immigration rules as it favours you. So sad that yet again and agai , the speed at which the BHC updates thier information data base about applicant immigration history is as slow as a snail trail! Hence the need to assist them with the most recent information by adding a covering letter, note to your application.

I wish you success in your application.

lingani:
hie thanks 4 your help so far just wanted to ask have u or anyone ever been thru more or less this situation and when u say hopefully is there a possibility that the appeal may fail. thanks in advance 4 your assistance

Read this UKBA internal guide for ECO who consider applications overseas.

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/ecg/refusals/immigrationoffender#21404124

Was it a UK based/owned Bank statement that was deemed as fake or a Nigerian bank statement?

You failed to clarify if the new refusal was engaged by your previous 320(7b) or is it a new refusal? If my guess is correct that your new refusal under 320(7b) was engaged by your previous one and you have spent close to a year then chances of your appeal suceeding on 'compassionate grounds' are high - Interesting how recent UT decisions are worded these days especially on issues such as yours.

However cases like this I have come across do succeed if neither party to the application unknowingly submitted documents that the UKBA deemed as not genuine.



@ justwise, isn't 7C engaged ONLY when the ban was in force before the couple became married?

dove30:
good day house i was refused visa last year September based on the grounds that my mothers statement did not show the required maintainance balance and that i over stayed my previous time studying in the uk so was given a one year ban.i noticed they failed to check my own statement of account which was also added to my mothers and i had proofs that i did not overstay because it was a mix up by the uk embassy in the uk so i did an administrative review and this was the result i got from them below

CAS/Visa Letter points claimed Original Points awarded AR Points awarded 30 30 30
ECM Comment:
N/A
Maintenance Original Points claimed Original Points awarded AR Points awarded 10 0 0
ECM Comment:
You have stated that the ECO did not consider both the personal bank statements that you submitted in your name  and your mother’s name, also . You are correct – the ECO failed to take into consideration your personal statement. However, even if your personal statement had been taken into consideration you would still not had sufficient funds. You required £9890. The 28 day period was 19/07/10 – 16/08/10. On 20/07/10 the combined balances on the accounts (N1,650,000 on your account and N553,689.74 on your mothers) amount to N2,203,689 (£9542). However you required N2,355,936 (Oanda exchange rate on 16/08/10 was £1 = 238.214 Naira).
0 points is therefore still correct.
General Grounds for Refusal Original decision Decision following AR 320 7b 3207b N/A
ECM Comment:
I accept that your application should not have been refused under paragraph 320 (7b) of the immigration rules.

so i differed my admission until this year and this time around instead of using both my mothers statement of account and my own we used just my mothers own to avoid mix up and also we have about 7million naira  and what i need for maintenance and fees balance this time around is 2,474,130.i used same transcript.i am just going to complete y last year of hnd which i have already started in uk before.i was refused extension in 2009 and i had no grounds to appeal that was why i came back last year to reapply from naija.now have applied last week.from my administrative review  it seemed the overstaying issue has been resolved although the one year ban was until April 2011.i have been waiting for 12 working days now . any ideas from justwise or anyone in the house.
   
and before i forget the only thing thathas changed in my status i s that i am now legally married and i ticked it in my form this time around and added the marriage certificate.

I hope you stated in your form under the "Additional Information" section that you applied last year and that you were refused student visas. Hope you also alerted the ECO that you were wrongly refused visas under 320(7b) and that it was upturned in your AR request by the ECM. BHC have this administrative laziness and weakness in updating thier information records on applicants.

bardamine:
Hi everyone,

I submitted a Visa application and was refused . I said it was my first passport, well it's the first time I apply for the UK. I had previous passport with which I applied in 2006 to France, but I lost it and got a new one. Do you think UK Visa folks have access to French Visa data?

Thank you for your responses!

Answer to your question is YES they do as there is now a 'common' EU immigration information sharing frame work but this is mostly used for Asylum seekers. However, in recent times, it is also now being used for most visas processing.

Can you post word for word the 'Notice of Refusal' comments of the ECO and also make clear your own side so we could offer specific advice.

For those of you that maybe flying into the UK as from today Wednesday the 29th of June 2011, due to 'the mother of all strike' by UK unions, there are real possibilities of travel disruption.

Please make every effort to check your travel arrangement with any operator you have arranged them with.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-13953678

Joagbaje:
No , rather israel was propheticaly proclaim that it would be a nation in Genesis. but israel was officially declared a nation at mt sinai. in the wilderness

I agree, however I choose Nehemiah's reference 'cos that was were the bible recorded God's decision to receive isreal as a nation again even though God had denounced the convenant He 'cut' with them in the wilderness due to thier hardened heart!

In any case, what is your answer to questions 3 & 4 in my post above?

Shall we say the president mispoke

or is the air not stale?

Curiously, why do we have two nominees from Ogun and Benue respectively?

I see two godfawdas at work - Obj and Mark -

The list is uninspiring.

Okay, I really do not want to go further as nothing as much will be achieved.
In the near East or Far East, NATIONS and TRIBES were and are not same in biblical history. But in some translations, they are used interchangeably - leading to some misconception in translation E.g, Isreal is sometimes described as a Tribe and a Nation, However, Isreal was proclaimed prophetically as a Nation (Book of Nehemaiah) and we all know how many Tribes consist of the Isrealite Nation.

Pamperme:
Dear All,

There is something else i need your clarification on:

I spoke with a friend who has been offered admission in one UK university. He has paid all the school fees, have over 2million in account  for his maintenance/accommodation. He has also been issued a CAS number as well.  But the problem is  this issue of English Language, he told me he spoke to two admission officer today and they confirmed that his CAS was issued before April 2011 when the English language stuff started.  But he still seems rather perturbed.  The question is, should he fill the new Assessment form (April 2011) or the old one (November 2010)

Thanks.

Put it squarely, tell your friend to go and write one of the English Language test by the UKBA otherwise his chances are as good as preparing for Appeal.

The reason for my submission above is this;
Though your friend got his admission before the new rules came into force, however UK immigration rules clearly states that applications are considered based on the rules on the date the appropraite application fees was paid or the date the application itself was deemed submitted and bio-data (finger print) taken. Since your friend is about applying now - meaning his application would be assess against current immigration rules NOT the date your addmission letter was issued by the university.
Of course, current rule requires proof of English language test at grades above that specified by the UKBA be provided unless you attended a UK university continually for 2years plus.

Lots of university are confused about the obnoxious change of rules in between games and my advice to anyone caught in this situation is to sit for the exam, get the right result grade and include it. My good feeling tells me this requirement will soon be required of employers in the UK when applying for a job, despite your qualification, so yea maybe a 'good investment' for the future!

Might be worth reading the attached pdf document by UKBA.

damola1:
Thank you for the update.

Please advise the address, so that all can be clearly stated. Will this letter be attached to the documents sent?,

Yes it should be attached (if possible nicely stapled!)to the documents and application forms. When submitting,(IF ASKED ONLY) tell the person collecting the documents at the VFS center where you choose to submit your application that the letter is an index list of all the documents submitted and it is addressed to the ECO.

If your application is fresh, i.e. NOT renewal, use this address;

ATTN: ENTRY CLEARANCE OFFICER(ECO)
ENTRY CLEARANCE OFFICE
VISA SERVICES
VISA SECTION
BRITISH HIGH COMMISSION
DANGOTE HOUSE,
33,AGUIYI IRONSI STREET
MAITAMA
ABUJA
NIGERIA.

If renewal then the address is;

ENTRY CLEARANCE OFFICE
VISA SERVICES
VISA SECTION
BRITISH DEPUTY HIGH COMMISSION
11, WALTER CARRINGTON CRESCENT
VICTORIA ISLAND
LAGOS
NIGERIA.

To further butress my earlier point on submission of original documents, please read this link;
http://www.ukvac-ng.com/documents.aspx

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/howtoapply/vafs/vafsdocschecklist/

From personal experience I have come accross a case how original supporting documents was the saving grace in a flawed attempt by the ECO to discredit the application. I KNOW YOUS WILL BE DIFFERENT but please stick to thier requirements and make sure all documents are arranged sequentially with 'sticky' notes on each explaining what they are ment for. Do not forget to keep EXACT COPIES of all documents you are attaching with your application, including PHOTOCOPYING the EXACT application form you are submitting - very helpful for future applications to make sure the information you are supplying the UKBA is consistent!

Hope this helps.

damola1:
Oh, think you missed the point.

I have originals of the documents, I have never let them out of my sight, and I am just afraid of losing them to the British Embassy. Business, land documents are pretty hefty. Is it important I submit the originals I have?

Do not say you were not warned.BHC/UKBA deals with original documents and no other!
Okat to alliviate your fears. This is what you do;

You write a formal letter, addressed to the Entry Clearance Office (I will give you the address if you need it), stating in indexed form, all the ORIGINAL documents you attached with your application and what they are ment for. Personally sign off this letter by hand with date.
By so, your documents will be intact. Trust me, this is how it works from legal point of view.

debosky:
^^ Does the bible tell you about the Sumerians?

I never said nor imply that the bible contains the history of every tribes. But sure, it does tell us about the origin of the NATIONS and it must surely be from one of these NATIONS which must have began the practice of tithing.

Pastor AIO:
What does the bible tell you about the practices and norms of the Sioux native american nations? and the Inca? Not to mention the Australian aborigines.

Surely, none of these formed individual NATIONS as in origin and they are post Genesis era.

debosky:
^^ Ok.

What do you mean by 'symbolics of tithing'? If you are clearer in describing what you seek then you might get useful responses.

In the old testament,you would notice that most of the dealings God had with the Isrealites was always in the shadow of what was suppose to be or will be.

For example, the death of Jesus and His resurrection was typified by the symbolic of the brassen serpent on a tree and the isrealites had to look unto to it whenever they be biten by that venomous serpent in the wilderness.

So I ask, what does Tithe which actually men 10 symbilize, and why 10 and not 7.

Pastor AIO:
Tithing started long before the time it was first recorded in the bible so you will not find the source of the practice in the bible.

If you agree that the bible -book of Genesis- gave the historical account of how the NATIONS came to be with thier practices and norms, then the origin of Tithes shouldn't be beyond the reach of the bible!

debosky:
Google is your friend - these issues have been dealt with (in great depth) on multiple threads on nairaland.

Yea I understand so, however, no body appears to have answered the question on the symbolics of tithing!