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chukwudi44: Bros abeg stop disgracing urself here and ask google.The bokks that make up today's bible was selected by the catholic chhurch at the synod of hippo in 393CE.This was ratified by the councils of carthage in 397 and 419 CE

I have asked you, was Roman Catholic in existence when Claudia held her fellowship meetings in the days of the early church? Was Mary using the catholic bible after Jesus ascended? The bible tells us that after Jesus left, Mary His mother joined other 'believers' in devoting themselves to the reading of the scriptures.

dejilg: Ofcos its a "SIN" and if a man eats a stolen bread while knowing its stolen even if he isn't the one who stole it, its also a SIN.

So I challenge you also, show me the scriptures that says it is a sin. I mean scriptural references from the bible. I am keen to learn you know. Also, I want you to tell me what the bible defined to be sin in the New Testament.

chukwudi44: No wonder your spiritual knowlege is this impaired as displayed on this thread.masturbation is an act. Indeed.lol

Ah, any surprise you could not take those words even from your catholic bible? Okay, you claim masturbation is a sin, now I ask, show me a verse in the bible that says it is a sin.

chukwudi44: The same bible that was compiled by te catholic church in the fourth century smh.

Ah, perhaps you need to study your bible. The scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit. So save your breathe. Was Catholic Church in existence after the ascension of our lord Jesus? Or did it not occur to you that Claudia in Her home group fellowship read the scriptures at the time?

chukwudi44: Is that not a teaching from your jerry curl masturbation teaching pastor? Is masturbation not allowed in your church? I have attended few prayer meetings of the Christ embassy church and I bet you that is the most carnal church in Nigeria.Their ladies are too worldly and wear the skimpiest of attires to church.You would not even though whether you are in a church or a night club

The same church I go to get blessed and my life remains on an upward and forward only path. The truth is, even if some of you are taking to heaven, you would claim you saw devil there!

Go back and listen to Pastor Chris video on masturbation, and I am sure your understanding will be fruitful. All he explained was that masturbation as an act is not a sin. A man doe not sin because He masturbates, rather, a man sin because He goes against the Gods word.

That a man EATS a stolen bread does not make him a thief, rather that he STOLE the bread is what makes Him thief. Hopefully your understanding is simple,

Remember sin as defined in the bible is thus: whatsoever is not of faith, which workers by love is SIN.

Mrs Awesome: you don't get it. The same Idolatory and hell fire threat....I like Muhammad, mahatma gandh, Jesus..etc..studying them makes my life meaningful...so stop wasting your prayers.. people have a structured way of life ...accept them the way they are for peaceful coexistence.

It does not have to be fire fire, it was only a suggestion. If you care, give it a try and I guarantee you, your morning will be like the dew of dawn and the reminder of your days like the bliss of the skies.

I never said you should not like, neither am I asking you to alter your structured way of life. It was only a suggestion, and perhaps a self reflection.

Any man who thinks there will be peace is at war!

[quote author=oche_ejemb]At the end of the day, its not any of us mortals that decides, whether or not one goes to Heaven.

But I find it ridiculous that some of you wake up and declare that the oldest form of Christianity, which traces its roots to the Bible itself, the ancient Church Jesus HIMSELF founded on the cross when he handed over to Peter, is bound to eternenity in Hell. How can you, a mere mortal, wake up and condemn over 1.3 billion Christians because they don't go to your jerry-curl church?

As Catholic Christians, we know we serve the Lord, we know who we pray to HIM and turn to in times of need. The same tripartite God as all other Christians, and thats why we are all Christians. If we our doctrine chooses to revere Mary as well, then I'd rather rever the mother of God, against some of you other doctrines who place even greater reverence to your Pastors and so called Men of God.

I wonder what a non-Christian will make off all this. Why should he become one, when the Christians themselves don't believe all of them will make it to Heaven, solely because of the church they decide to go to on Sunday. Shame on you all.[/quote]It is so easy to write length letters, simply prove to us from the bible that your are doing is scriptural and of sound doctrine! The devil is as old as the earth, yet no truth remains In Him!

Also, you need to understand that there is the difference between Catholic and Roman Catholic. catholic means Universal, hence when you say Catholic Christian, you are implying Universal Christian which really does not make sense. It is either you are a Christian or not. As far as I know, your doctrine will find you out when the time is ripe.

Why is it hard for you to search the bible for yourself and find out what is in it, examine what your church is teaching you and see if it agrees with what you are learning from your personal study of the bible. If not, maybe you need to evaluate your ways again.

chukwudi44: But you have been taught to masturbate to the glory of the lawd.smh

I know you from the Politics section of NL, so like the bible says, by their fruits we shall know them. Beware.

Mrs Awesome: I don't study what I don't believe in...I like Jesus..Mary...the after death prayers of the Catholics..at least somebody got your back when you're gone...cos I've never been on the other side and neither you too ...so instead of believing completely on a 2000 year old book..I'd rather face the reality of what is to come and my envisioned picture of Christ that I like. Nobody knows whether praying for the dead works or not unless you've been dead before but I like the notion...it's a personal choice....

Oh dear, you cannot claim to like Jesus and write these things you just said! No wonder the bible said this.... Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have BOLDNESS on the day of judgment! If your envisioned picture of Christ is not gotten from the bible, then perhaps, idolatry has set in.

What business do you or I have praying for the dead expect that we want to raise them to life again? If I speak words of prayers to the dead, of what purpose is it be it they are DEAD and gone? This shows you how warped what you have been believing really is! But to Christ Jesus we pray in His name because He Himself said we should and that is how the father will hear us when we speak to the Father. This is why when we set to pray, we go thus : Father in the name of Jesus. When we do so, it is as though Jesus himself was speaking to the father in our place.

Like I said, get you self a study bible. Take a day off work, set the bible at your dinning table, knee down and just say this prayer:
Father in the name of Jesus, I thank you for the wisdom that comes by your word and the understanding thereof through your Holy Spirit. As I read and study your word, I thank you, because my understanding is fruitful and I gain insight into your truth. Your word, abba father, says, through knowledge shall the just be delivered into their inheritance, I am grateful because Christ is my wisdom and knowledge even as I pray that you teach me your truth by your holy spirt as I study this morning like never before I ask in the name of Jesus.

Then meticulously begin to study John chapter 1 and walk your way through the reminder of the bible. I am sure your understanding will be fruitful and you will know truly the joy of the fellowship of the father by the Holy Ghost.

clans: ahan na fight? y u go come say im lying anyway. I know most catholic church go by saints name, im just hearing the name you said for the first time try to find out why its called so, Mary's name is holy I agree. Mary's assumption is not same with the ascension of Jesus the word say it and besides Mary died but her body was assumed into heaven cos it wasn't found again, you don't expect the mother of our lord Jesus to corrupt in the soil like you and I. yes Mary is the queen of heaven and most of these teachings are from the dogma of the catholic church

Where in the bible were you told there were queens in heaven? Heaven reigns with KINGS, because that is where the KING of all kings dwells.

It is obvious from much of what has been discussed tonight on here that lots of the teachings in catholic doctrines are not scriptural!

Emyben: And why are the pictures/images of your
general Overseer AKA Daddy pasted unto your
cars,homes etc? You are worshiping
them,right?

I suppose you think every Christian is into that. I am a member of Believer's LoveWorld aka Christ Embassy and I have not been taught neither have I learnt from the bible that I should stick stickers of my pastors in my car or house.

We are taught the word of God and we learn how to fellowship with the father through His word by His Holy Spirit.

Hence, I am questioning your stance on what you do in Catholic Church by asking you to give me scriptural proofs, not some washy washy Priest article.

If a man calls me a sinner, do I care? Yes, because I need to examine my ways by the light of Gods word. If the word of God then says yes I am a sinner by my actions, surely, I that she finality. Same I am asking of you concerning what Okotie said about the Catholic Church.

dejilg: Catholic Translation used.
True translation never said Mary was full of Grace

Good you caught her! I just didn't want to get into the so called catholic bible... Just like Jehovah witness bible, but that is for another day.

oluxy: He himself, is he sure of getting to heaven b4 he start judging who go to heaven or not. He has forgotten his past?
I don't know wht is wrong with this so called pastor that often bring theirselves out like 8days babies. Must he mention church; can't he just past the msg without mentioning names. How long would Okotie keep fighting churches, not long he fought with Redeem baba, and also other churches..
I guess too forwardism has entangled with that man that he forgot thing can be done without stirring up fight.

And for those who are in support of him criticizing catholic that they are all going to hell, are u guess God or the one that sat upon the throne? Are u guys even sure of where u in particular would be on that day wheather hell or heaven, are u sure of where u will fall that u re judging.

May God forgives u and Okotie.

You are looking at the messenger rather than the message. My question to you is. Do you fall into the category of those who will go to hell as put by the bible? If yes, then in plead with you to repent of your ways and accept Jesus according to Romans10:8-11.

Also, why do you need an image of Mary to 'Honour' her? Why can't you honour her without an image?

Mrs Awesome: Poster..I was asking a question..probably you think am part of your fold ......at least I wasn't threatened with hell fire.
He taught a prayer excluding his name and somewhere some other writer gave an account of how he told his followers to pray in his name....right . These writers lived in different times and their compilations sort of discrediting each other. " He lives in me and I in him ".......bitheism or polytheism......two Gods + the spirit....

What are you saying? It is obvious you do not study your bible! What was the reason apostle Paul, Peter and James were persecuted? What is it not because they taught others to pray and teach in the name of Jesus? When Peter met the man at the gate of beautiful, what was the content of Peter's prayers? Did He pray in the name of Mary or to Mary? Was it not in the name of Jesus He prayed?

Many of you do not under yet, God has vested all of the powers in this age and in the age to come in the name of Jesus. That is why the devils flee when we pray in the name of Jesus and not by or through the name of Jesus.

You really need to study your bible and seek wisdom and understanding from the Holy Spirit

735 i: Well...that's my fvcking problem.
And i do have a choice...God gave me the freedom to choose between good and evil....
Not everything is written in the bible; the little you have in the bible is written; that you may believe...
So Peter didn't bow to Mary? Who said he did?
Did Peter marry and divorce more than 1 wife?
Did Peter make his hair like your "pastors" ?

If i choose to honour Mary ;It's my problem! not yours
I'm sure you have yours; go fix 'em!!!

By your logic, why are you at arms when Okotie choose to say all Catholics would go to hell? Ah... I know...

enigmang: If we put all our money into airports you will be among the first set of people to say "how many poor people use this airports" FG is abandoning the roads and fixing only airports..

Nigeria has gone to the dogs for a long while.. There are so many things that need to be done simultaneously from roads to agriculture to basic infrastructure ... We really can't afford to build this "underwater airport cities " we dream of.
So relax a journey of a thousand miles...

What is this one saying? To build an airport is not rocket science! If have ever been to Orly Airport in France or even Luton Airport or london City airport, then you would realize that it takes less to have an effective airport!

Nigeria have the money and the financial might to build an airport better than Pearson airport in Toronto. When you have mediocre leadership, you get what you see in the name of renovation in port harcourt international airport.

If you sell 8 of Jonathan's jet, you would a befitting Terminal for Portharcourt and Enugu Airports?

khattab02: Got your quotation Omo Tier1, but these are not the words of Jesus (As) himself. Read my question again, I said where did he said HIMSELF '' he is coming to save whole world or to wash away sins ''?? Thanks! anyway.

Really? So the words of the Holy Spirit are not the words of Jesus? Wow!

[quote author=simply_me]Yea Yea Yea, Mr. Sahara Reporter wanna be.[/quote]Yu better go tell Okupe to school you properly before you start quoting me,,,,

Mrs Awesome: this is a very big problem. Who actually told us to pray in Jesus name... Cos according to Jesus and his our lords prayer..his model of how prayer should be like ......no Jesus was mentioned at the tail end. CONFUSION..Now each person is interpreting the bible to suit them...
Telling Catholics that they worship devil...are you kidding ...with some pages of write up..written 2000 years ago to some medieval Jews ...applying it to daily life of modern people and if a section deviate a little from your belief..he or she is labeled an idol worshipper or worst still sentenced to hell.........
Indeed, it is becoming a joke.....smh.

This is how you know those who do not study their bible and do not live by what is written therein!

Now do yourself a favour and study these verse especially the ones in bold.
John 16: 17 -33
17 Some of his disciples said to one another, "What does he mean by saying, 'In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me,' and 'Because I am going to the Father'?"

18 They kept asking, "What does he mean by 'a little while'? We don't understand what he is saying."

19 Jesus saw that they wanted to ask him about this, so he said to them, "Are you asking one another what I meant when I said, 'In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me'?

20 I tell you the truth, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices. You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy.

21 A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world.

22 So with you: Now is your time of grief, but I will see you again and you will rejoice, and no one will take away your joy.

23 In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

24 Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.

25 "Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

26 In that day you will ask in my name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf.

27 No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.

28 I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father."

29 Then Jesus' disciples said, "Now you are speaking clearly and without figures of speech.

30 Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God."

31 "You believe at last!" Jesus answered.

32 "But a time is coming, and has come, when you will be scattered, each to his own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me.

33 "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."

CFCfan: Qatar Airways being a major partner in the Nigerian Eagle airline project, will be a major boost to its image. Obviously, if this proposition materializes, Nigerian Eagle may be barred from flying to Doha. Qatar airways flights from Nigeria to Doha would likely have some seats reserved for Nigerian Eagle passengers.

Why do some of you comment out of ignorance? If QATAR AIR is to partner Nigeria to set up a career, why would you think it would be QATAR AIR airplane that would lift passengers from Nigeria? Why would you think Nigerian Eagle would be barred from Doha?

If at all the story is to believed, QATAR AIR would follow the same foot steps like when she took over Serbia air recently.

ijeoma dennis: I don't know y we christian like criticizing our selves , u can neva c muslims doing dis rubish yes I call it rubish, am not a catholic but we dat attend church dat we make heaven, are we sure of heaven? pls is tym to come togeda as 1 (we christians) muslims can go to any mosque and worship but we christians can neva do dat. christians let's stop dis and pray for us to make Heaven ooooooo

It is called BEAMING THE LIGHT OF GOD WORD AND REVEALING THE TRUTH! Bible said search the scriptures, for in it you will find the truth. If the word of God condemn you not, then you are at peace with God and have fellow with Him, else it is idolatry.

Baby mama: So what is the difference between that priest and Okotie?
Who is claiming holier than thou here Okotie,myself or the catholic priest?
Let him remove the timber in his eyes before he can see the speck in father Hyginus Ukachikwu nwachukwu's eye

All I am simply pointing to you is, do not defend what you know little about. Many gave their lives so you and I can have a Bible to study. Go and study your bible and stop casting aspersions.

If Okotie said all catholics would go to hell. I expect you to go to your bible, search for those who the bible says will go to hell or are in hell already, then see what your catholic priest is teaching you and what you are practicing. If it falls into the categories the bible mention would go to hell, then you have your answer. If not, why bother?

phatasschick: b4 u all start ranting and saying wat u dnt knw, y dnt u open ur bible and go to d book of revelation chapter 12 read frm verse 1 to d last verse bfore u mk a comment. der you will read abt how important mary is to God and to humans.

FYI, the woman in the book of Revelation 12 has nothing to do with Mary, John was writing in prophetic language, and the woman in the was an allegory for which we know it JERUSALEM, which is Isreal symbolically.

Rexyl: Christ‘s disciples are collectively his Church. He chose the first disciples and started church thru them. How could you say he did not build Church? So your knowledge about the founder of Church is wrong.

Pay attention to these verses, especially the ones in bold.

Ephasians 1: 10-23

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

735 i: This silly debate is up again? If someone chooses to bow to an image or to worship something else...how is it someone else's business? I see people opening their sewers to spew shit about something they obviously know nothing about.
Catholics will go to hell?
Like seriously? phew
Leave that to God who created them to worry about. It's not for you (a "sinner" who is not yet sure of making heaven) to worry about. Save yourself first!

In this matter, you do not HAVE a choice! God has vowed, those who would call Him their FATHER shall bow to him ONLY in worship! If Apostle Peter in all of His prayers did not bow nor pray to Mary, then you must be practicing idolatry.

Baby mama: You have answered well
The bible says he that thinks he stands should take heed
Imagine a pastor that is using women to play ludo telling Catholics they are hell bound
Lord have mercy
He would go and read up on the qualities of a Bishop from the Bible
Husband of one wife,a man who can a manage his household
He doesn't qualify to be one
And has no moral standing to advice anyone on any topic

In your attempt to stand righteous, you are found falling like the dust of the field. If I told you about the Catholic Priests who married more than one wife in scotland, hope you would still hold on to your point of Okotie?

dakey: Firstly I warn all of u to becareful of what you criticize, it is a pity that somebody on earth will criticise catholic church... Take a look @ okotie's life, "maried twice , divorced twice" is this a life of a christian..NO. I also read that he said God appointed him to be president ....I dnt knw
But my main concern is to defend my church(faith)
Look @ d origin Of catholic.... I would proudly say that CATHOLIC is the only true church founded by Jesus christ himself.... "No offence pls" other churches mayb serving God too with there whole heart but that's not where am coming from. Pope benedict is a succesor of St peter to whom Jesus handed his sheep here on earth rooting to catholic church(ref;math:16:18-19 )
Knowing fully well that we are sinners and ar not wothy to stand christ, we ask VIRGIN MARY his mother to help interceed for us.....pls WE ARE NOT WORSHIPING VIRGIN MARY rather we honour her.
The rosary ..... The first part (hail mary) is the combination of what angel gabriel and Elizabeth said (ref:luk 1:28, 1:42) .. The second part (holy mary) we now ask her to pray for us sinners here on earth....
Pls everybody should be carefull, guard against fake pastors(am not calling anyone "fake" those that it concerns knws themselves..........be warned
I am a christian , a stonge catholic, I konw what I believe in , and I can defend it, most of them dnt knw and can't say the origin of their church......awesome[color=#990000][/color]

Like Jesus said to the scribes, YOU WORSHIP WHAT YOU KNOW NOTHING OFF!

I was in Rome earlier this year and I took time to go see the Vatican, visited the main hall, the silent tomb where they claimed Peter was buried, and also visited all the tomb of the dead Pope buried under neath the Vatican.

One thing struck me so hard, which was this. In side the Vatican, you find massive statue of Mary, plated in gold. I searched to see any image of Jesus, the only thing I found close to it was an infant, that 'looks' like Jesus.

I look at the section where the Pope takes communion, I could not find even a painting of Jesus. Look straight at the golden lamb hanging from the ceilings, I saw scary looking statues for which I did have words to describe them!

Then I asked my mate who is a catholic, do you still believe?

gratieao: The Catholic Church is the “church” established by Jesus. All the bishops and priests are direct successors of the original apostles.

Jesus gave the Church and his apostles the power to forgive sins. Since priests cannot read minds and hearts, people confess to them so that the priests can give proper counsel and penance along with their absolution.

Catholicism is the original and most complete form of Christianity. East and West were one for a thousand years. Protestant churches only go back four or five centuries.

Jesus did not 'establish' any church. Jesus is the church in bodily form! What a folly to think human linage suffice for God's adoption? Show us in the bible where Jesus said He has given the church power to forgive sins! Please give us the biblical reference for us all to study and learn from.


It comes across perhaps you do not even know what the word 'Christian' and 'Christianity' means! Antioch was the place where those who 'follow' Jesus ( in their manner of worship and servitude) were first called 'Christians'. So by your logic, they from Antioch hold the complete form of Christianity? How did Catholicism come to fore as the original and most complete form of Christianity?

gratieao: Of course, one can and should address Jesus directly in prayer; however, this does not negate Mary’s role. The question is a good one and possesses some complexity. All of the attributes of mercy and love attributed to Mary find their ultimate source in the Lord. The unity between the Mother and her divine Son is very intimate and unbreakable. Even when we address our prayers to Jesus or show him homage, we are also honoring his Mother and invoking her assistance. Mary rejoices when we come to her Son, no matter what the path. The Dominican priest, Fr. Jelly wrote that in this sense, even the most fundamentalist of Protestants are showing their respect to Mary in their devotion to Christ. Conversely, God is honored when we honor Mary. God loves us to honor Mary as a Father is pleased when his daughter is honored. All the honor we give to Mary is reflected back to God since we honor her for what He has done for her, with her, and through her. When we honor her, we honor Him. When Catholics address Mary, it is because there is something about her maternal qualities which soothe our souls and remind us of the great company of heaven– the home to which we hope to one day enter. Even in human families, the love and help of parents could just as well come from one parent or the other; but sometimes we want the strength of our fathers and at other times the feminine touch of our mothers. Mary is a creature, not God like her Son, and yet her abiding proximity and union to Christ makes her a fitting figure for our prayers. We reverence her, as we do all the saints, but true worship is addressed to God alone. Otherwise, we would fall into idolatry. Christ is our only mediator (1 Tim. 2:5-6) with the Father, but Mary can intercede (pray for us) with her Son Jesus. Jesus worked his first miracle at her request ( Jn. 2:1-12). Just as we can ask other members of the church on earth to pray for us (1 Tim. 2:1; 2 Tim. 1:3; Phil. 4:22), so too, can we ask members of the church in heaven to pray for us (Rv. 5:8; 6:9-11; 7:10-12; 8:2-6; Mt. 22:31, 32).

Let me attempt to puncture your blind spot with some light:

1. All of the attributes of mercy and love attributed to Mary find their ultimate source in the Lord
# Mercy and Love are God's nature not Mary, therefore, no basis exist in the scriptures for your conclusion.

2. The unity between the Mother and her divine Son is very intimate and unbreakable

#The unity between Mary and Jesus is even weaker than the Unity between Apostle Paul or John and Jesus, therefore this is no reason to 'Honour' Mary.

3. Even when we address our prayers to Jesus or show him homage, we are also honoring his Mother and invoking her assistance
# Jesus himself said, in that day, you will no longer ask me anything, for the FATHER knows what you need . For you will ask the FATHER anything in MY NAME, and He will do it for you. We pray in the name of Jesus and not to Jesus. We worship Jesus because He is the visible God, the head of the Gdhead in bodily form.

4. All the honor we give to Mary is reflected back to God since we honor her for what He has done for her, with her, and through her

# God himself said, Him alone you shall HONOUR. Did you ever read anywhere in the bible that those before the throne room of God 'honoured' Mary?

5. Just as we can ask other members of the church on earth to pray for us (1 Tim. 2:1; 2 Tim. 1:3; Phil. 4:22), so too, can we ask members of the church in heaven to pray for us (Rv. 5:8; 6:9-11; 7:10-12; 8:2-6; Mt. 22:31, 32).

# If one was to follow your line of thinking, of all in heaven, who would you suppose you have to pray to the most? Surely it must be Abraham to whom God willed the whole earth, right? Where in the bible were you told to pray for the saints in heaven to pray for you? FYI, the saints over there in waiting are in anxious glory awaiting the call of God for the end of time!

6. God loves us to honor Mary as a Father is pleased when his daughter is honored. All the honor we give to Mary is reflected back to God since we honor her for what He has done for her, with her, and through her. When we honor her, we honor Him.

# Where in the scriptures did God say: Honour Mary, for in Her my joy is full when you honour Her? You are ascribing to Mary what God in His infinite wisdom attribute to His dear son, Jesus.

From your response, it is obvious that all you have tried to do, is justify you idolatry!

Bible said in 1 Cor. 1: 9
"God is faithful, through whom ye were called into the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord." Surely, our fellow is with the Father through His Son, Jesus!

[quote author=simply_me]why cant SR disclose the name of the hospital so others can check? Is this not as simple as that?[/quote]You should have known by now that when it comes to the First family in Nigeria, SR has a mole that gives it first hand information on happenings when they want to publish anything.

Even GEJ have admitted that sometimes, He is baffled by the accuracy of SR reportage -read whatever you like into that statement.

Okay, I must admit, when I saw the news that GEJ was going to Paris, with a fly stop in Germany, then I thought: But why is He stopping in Germany? Flight from Nigeria go through Spain, then Paris. SO why is the President flying backward, only to fly forward?

Hmmm, now the dots are connecting!

kallat: I was born a CATHOLIC and will die one by God's grace.. So I beg on all CATHOLICS and christians in general to please stop arguing... We have been told the way of GOD is a mystery to man.. We shouldn't blasphame against the holy spirit for that is an unforgiveable sin..... This arguements and querells are brought by vices against christianity to cause division and from the way I see it they ar succeeding... We should stop promoting ther course... Let's all live good lives and gain the mercy and favour of GOD ALMIGHTY so that he may open the gates of heaven to us!!!! AMEN!!

Okay, I have to reply to your post because of the statement in bold. Where in the bible the God say His ways are mysterious to man? If His ways are truly mysterious, why then did Jesus come?