You upload your throwback and you still caption it "young fine boy"?

We sha don dey sabi all of una wey dey like una own pics on Facebook.

thesicilian:

The issue has never been that I don't get your drift, its just that I do not agree with it. Yes, Jesus' standards may seem high with stricter rules, but that is because only a church without blemish is the deal now.
Again you mentioned artificial intelligence, which is man's own way of 'playing God'. Yet this same man who complains about freewill, will never truly give his own A.I creation unlimited ability to make its own decisions. You saw what happened in I, Robot and Ex Machina where the A.I ended up destroying their own makers. Thus every A.I is guided by laws, now matter how free you make it. Otherwise you create a chaotic system. It is only an unwise creator that falls prey to his own creation. Read about the Tower of Babel again. What do you think would have happened if those men had been able to building their tower to heaven? You think their plan was to go there and worship Him?
Man was made in the image of God. When God creates, He sets guiding laws in place. When man creates he deles the same too.
On a last note, I do not think it is true for you to say freewill entails no curtailment of liberties before and after the exercise of choice. This is simply because the one who is giving you the choice may not be in control, for one reason or the other, of the outcome (the after) of that choice.

Lmao! I wasn't even going to really expose the legions of instances of manifest absurdity in your holy book but since you're mentioning them yourself, let's analyse the ones you've mentioned. You mentioned the possibility that perhaps those laws are there and that strict in order to forestall a 'coup' orchestrated by man. So, you're admitting that your omni-powerful, omni-scient God is afraid of the power of our collective will? Besides, how do barbaric rules (like commanding someone to kill idolaters, homosexuals, rebellious kids etc) prevent us from going against him? Humanity is currently trying her hardest to create ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence) who can have the kind of intelligence we'd normally only ascribe to God. There's no one curtailing the limits of their intelligence. However, for obvious safety reasons of having a self-conscious, super sentient entity on earth with us, humans have to put all safety measures in place so that we wouldn't end up masterminding the creation of something which poses an existential threat to us. Eternity in hell doesn't serve this purpose. It's just an inconceivably malevolent and sadistic form of punishment only a psychopathic psychotic can think of and actually execute.

The tower of Babel signified the height of scientific and practical ignorance that all religions, particularly christianity, are enmeshed in. As at the time the Bible was compiled, the humans who didn't know any better thought the earth was flat so they reasoned one could go on building a tower that could reach up to the heavens. Your all-knowing god who should have laughed off their cute ignorance off became threatened of people that thought they could build tower to heaven! Nawa o! Where is heaven? Is it in the stratosphere? Can any building break out of our orbit? What would they breathe? If God, who created everything, didn't know any better and had to make them start speaking different languages in order to make them desist from a quest that was void ab initio anyway, what does that say about your religion and god? Doesn't that bear a suspicious resemblance to human error?

Brother, please think logically and objectively about these. Abeg. You're too intelligent to be ruled by fear of eternal damnation in a mythical fire or the promise of some imaginary heaven. Do good because it is the right thing to do. Do good because you're a humanist. Do good because you want to, not because you want to make heaven or to escape hell.

And most importantly, reject toxic ignorance and intellectual regression.
Cheers, bro.

thesicilian:

I knew you were going to finally land into the murky waters of freewill. While your argument is logically valid, it still shows certain deficiencies in terms of your grasp with the nature of freewill itself. Like the Idi Amin example you gave, no one can actually guarantee you freedom after speech, except you are a supreme ruler (even at that, stories abound in history of rulers who have been overthrown or rebelled against after certain utterances.
Freewill implies the capacity and right to choose, make decisions for your self. This ability to exercise your freewill is not to be confused with the outcome / consequences which are mainly dependent on the environment and circumstances in which it is expressed. Take for example, an ordered universe, with laws built-in to hold the entire system in place in perfect synchrony. If you as a man, who has been given carte blanche by the Creator to run the earth, decides to jump unaided from a mountain top, you may end up getting injured as you find yourself at the mercy of gravity.
Will you blame the Person who has given you the freewill, for not guiding your landing? Maybe a little.
Now along comes this same Creator and says, though I have made these laws, that the soul that sinneth shall die, that whoever breaks the hedge the serpenthurricl bite, and so on, there are now higher laws, higher dimensions, higher standards you can live by, if you are willing (again, giving you the opportunity to decide for yourself) to subscribe to this higher level. All you have to do is sign these new terms and conditions. If you sign here, you'll be protected from falling victim to the laws of the universe but if you don't, I cannot protect you from them. Is that unfair?
Is a citizen who has been displaced by a hurricane justified in suing a government that had done everything within its power to protect that same citizen from the flood?

Yes, if the hurricane was caused by the government in the first place. You have sallied your points quite lucidly and reasonably (quite surprising for a theist) however, you have failed so far to justify the orders of your God. I'm not even debating the moral rectitude of so many of his orders yet, I'm denying his right to make any laws for us at all. If I create androids which run on AI software, and I encode some rules which they may not break but they are fully capable of breaking, I can't say I have given them free-will when I intend to subject them to eternally subject them to infinite pain. That's like an adult saying to a kid, "If them born you well, go play ball". He won't actually tie the child down but if the child does play ball, he'd get a beating that would stay with him for days. That's not what free-will is. Free-will entails no curtailment of liberties before and after the exercise of choice.

He created humans (which he didn't have to), they stole the power of choice from him (It was stolen because, ironically, the free-will so touted by Christians now only arose because Adam and Eve disobeyed and ate from the tree of knowledge) and them subsequently gave them laws which they must obey on the pain of eternal torment.

You can't say the emergence and death of Yeshua was supposed to redeem people from the shackles of adhering to rigorous and unreasonable laws because Jesus himself he hadn't come to obviate the mosaic laws but to re-enforce them. Where fornication was only committed by having pre-marital sex according to the Mosaic law, with his arrival, fornication could be committed by lustfully staring at the opposite sex.

You get my drift now, don't you?

thesicilian:

It doesn't. How can a manufacturer seek the consent of his product before production?! Of course that cannot make sense. The only way that can be possible is for him to travel into the future, seek permission, then return to the present to begin production. Laughable.

In law of contract, there's what's called "past consideration". To put it simply, "past consideration" is an invalid payment for goods/services. Its validity is repudiated by the fact that as at the time the payment (in cash or kind) was made, the person to whom it was made had no reason to believe it was in furtherance of a contractual agreement. A perfect example is where I "dash" you a nice shirt and then, 2 weeks later, take your shoes saying I already paid for the worth of the shoe by giving you the shirt. Its invalid because you didn't expect to be charged for it.

Can you relate it to your faith now? If God says because he created us and gave us a consciousness (and that this is a favour is a good thing is debatable) we have to do whatever he says however uncomfortable or morally repugnant we find it, doesn't that suggest holding us liable for a gratuitous "favour" he did for us at a time we neither knew or agreed to his terms?

If your argument is the supreme being needs not argue with his own creations before he commands them, then why so much noise about free-will? If we have free-will then we shouldn't be punished for whichever choice we make and if we don't, they should stop all these confusing talk about a loving god who gives us free-will but will roast us forever if our exercise thereof doesn't sit well with him. That's like idi-amin who guaranteed freedom before speech but not after.

Wake up and start asking yourself the tough questions, bross.

am4truth:


Did you say unreasonable laws? Can you pls mention some? Does a manufacturer seek the permission of a product before making such? God should seek your permission.

This, right here, is one of the biggest issues I have with religions: confusion. Do we have freewill or not? If we do, then don't punish us for our choice; if not, don't make us engage in this charade then.

Please friend, have a change of mind. Is loving your brothers and sisters as yourself an unreasonable law? Everything about the bible is about love for God and your fellow human being.

I wish loving others were the only rules. Your religion depicts a genocidal, partial, petty god and tells me to worship it? Why is he so thirst for our worship? Is he suffering from low self esteem? Check your bible, on countless occasions did he order genocide by asking the Israelites to completely annihilate other nations because they serve other gods (remember the moabites, jebusites, amorites, amalekites etc?) and allowed the needless torment of a good man as well as the murder of his children in order to prove his loyalty to his arch-enemy (remember Job?).

thesicilian:
If you are already aware of the punishment for a crime before you still go ahead to commit it, on what basis then would you argue that the punishment is unfair?

The basis that I don't agree should suffice. If I was actually created by yahweh, then he didn't seek my permission to be created but he went ahead anyway only to subject me to unreasonable laws. Does that make sense to you?

vizkiz:
Happy birthday to your handsome kid. Obviously got the looks from you.

About the dual religion in your marriage, I'll have to give it to your straight up. Your marriage is heading for the rock.

It is better either of you switch to whichever religion preferable but a marriage with different "motivation" is heading for the Rock.

Don't be stupìd, we don't serve the same God. I have been to mosques and I have seen Muslims says shìt about Christians and our belief.

We don't preach war and we are not barbaric.

We don't practice polygamy and we have nothing like 7 virgins when we die.

Most of all, we don't need to swear an Oat before commenting on Christian topics

Call me all you want but I ain't myopic. Check my signature for your replies.

See the kind mumu wey for win Mr Nairaland

Thank God your uncouth and verminous disposition already effectively ruled you out before the actual contest began.

Mumu fowl

folakemigeh:

So i want to ask the guys now
. Will u still date me if you found out that i am a witch?

NB; i need mature responses

I don't even believe in witches. If a girl tells me she's a witch, I'd laugh it off cause I know its false.

Drama queen (No pun intended).

she can't deny knowledge of the intrusion of privacy that comes with being a celebrity na. Your celebrity status means you'll be the object of fake news and rumours all the time.

Ignore the hungry tabloids and if it's too damaging, sue for libel.

You'd be better served looking for justice at the courts instead of on Facebook.

Do the right thing.

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Nigerians are so disgustingly hypocritical and sanctimonious!! So many of them justifying the police brutality accusing the girl of immorality (how stupid is that?)

And these same sanctimonious retards have side-chicks and concubines scattered around o. Mtcheew!

okerekeikpo:
This ur house dirty o my guy,advice no be curse o

He's selling his dogs, not his house.

Mind your business.

Einl:
That's why Nigeria remains poor and backwards.

We are wicked to ourselves and each other.

The woman had a baby on her back. There was onlookers and none of them could help or say anything. Instead they were laughing.

Some people will say she must have done something bad, but don't people have mercy.
Showing mercy is not weakness.

Then on Friday and Sunday we will pray to God for mercy and blessings.

Idiots. Na devil de hear your prayers.

Certainly, you speak my mind.

AdaNri1:
it didn't stop her going after him like that did it.

How did you know she went after him?
So much chocolates and candies yet you're still so bitter.
Biko, goan find your husband, don't be a monitoring spirit.

Egalitarian1:
I sense break up very soon because the lady sounds somewhat a racist in her words if she was actually quoted verbatim

Guy, you get issues o. She's been with him for years now; she's had children for him and she's still racist?
Mo foh o.

AdaNri1:
Manipulator Don't ask me how I know, I invented the game

Aunty, her dad is richer than Mikel. By far.

tamethem:
A man that they will disobey and yet still love and worship them in their stubonness

The one that will listen to all their advice and a single advice from him they wont take.

A man when they were still dating they visited and never helped to cook or wash plate for but when he marries them they would call " dear please can you join me in the kitchen. Thanks. Please can you wash those plate for me while I make this Eba"

A man that none of his family members must visit their house but her own mother sister and brother would make their house their second home.

A man that keeps a devilish joint account with them that would alwsys need to seek her opinion just to buy himself a boxer's.

A man that she would rain insults upon that will quietly take his shirt and go out and come back home when her madness has subsided.

A man that she would deny sex for months all in the name of shes a career woman and shes tired after work and would still be faithful to her. Satisfying himself with masturbation because truely he loves her and dont wanna sin.


That is a Woman's God fearing man.

Lmao! That's a very detailed and venomous post.

ibkayee:

She has your entire generation's net worth and more on her retired olosho finger, she will be alright

She may not. I know your lack of money makes it seem like it's the only thing that matters in the world now but that's not how shiit works in real life. Money isn't the last bus-stop, my dear sister.

2 years, just now. The distance is somewhat challenging sha.

TinaAnita:
Wawu


This is what happens when a man marries a troublemaker. Which responsible woman would call her husband to come meddle in a fight she created? Now he is at risk of losing his job and landing in jail. Too bad.

Wrong! If he's convicted of culpable of culpable homicide, he's at risk of losing his life.

Okay, bro

You've been warned if you been born or if you conform;

slap up a cop and then snatch him out his uniform

Leave him with his socks, hard bottoms and bloomers on

And hanging by the balls from the horn of a unicorn

blessedweapon:
Hang them by the balls from the horn of a unicorn

bbbabes:
the juju man was fake

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Come and I will give you something... Everyone that sees you and you ask for money, they can never say No, except if they have a stronger jazz

Biko, coman use that juju on me na.

Sha don't run us into debt because of your foolishly extractive policy. I dunno who told these morons that the way to true economic prosperity is to sell all their mineral deposits because they're too lazy and corrupt to industrialize.

Tuition fees can't be free if you already affix 'fees' to it. Say Unilag's tuition is free of charge or "without charge".

Good news. Foreign investment remains the best way out of these austere times.

Rick9:
Wow At last am First To Comment, I dedicate this FTC to all Nairalanders , Friends & enemies,
You guys are too much. I too like Nairaland - Natural LandE too sweet oh. .

toffy333:
Wew! See better house!

Oh God let money fall on me. Biko arihini ayi begi!

Lool. Anebira

Someone was saying people should dress well. Stop justifying these animals, bruh. This is sheer madness. We can't continue this way at all. Dressing nor follow at all. What is wrong is wrong; make we all condemn am.

lalasticlala;
mynd44. make una do something o. this is front-page worthy.