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Christianity is just a religious affiliation. It's the responsibility of everyone to research every of their ideas. This isn't about Christians alone. It's also for you and I. I'm a Christian myself but I also understand my responsibility.

SpencerForbes:
That’s what I’m trying to make Christians get. Bible must be thoroughly researched before we come up with conspiracies and we must enable not to swallow any story hook, line and sinker. This will help new converts and make us more knowledgeable.

But it is very sad to see Christians wait for their religious leaders and hearsay than study the word properly.
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In the bible, what we see in Genesis is only Adam. Lucifer is in the imagination of people like you. It was Adam who became enemy of God and who instituted a different way contrary to God (Genesis 3:22). It was Adam for whom death as reserved as God had told him before hand (Genesis 2:16-17). So you can't be mentioning Adam and Satan in the same statement as that is just going in cycles and making things up. You can either say Adam or Lucifer.

Gabrielshow24:
Are you insinuating Lucifer is Adam? Or have you made Lucifer someone he is not? 👀

Pls, tell us why we can't be calling Lucifer and Adam in the same sentence? 👀

Which particular one? I already told you to read the bible but if you want me to point you to verse you have to be particular so i can show you the particular verse that talks about it.

Gabrielshow24:
Give evidence for your ideas🤷.

Even the most stupid scientists even know that life started through stone dust. Some call it star dust and others call it ground or sand. It's true for any way you want to think about it. Whether you believe it or not is not the bone of contention because we don't actually need your opinion on this matter. We've already concluded, my friend, and we know it's realistic. We're just divided on whether it was God that initiated the process or whether it happened by chance.

Gabrielshow24:
I forgot to add, as regards your realism 👀. Do you expect us to believe that Adam was made before the clay he was made from🤨? Cuz going by your logic you want us to believe that after God made Adam, he started to form others in Gen1👀 including Adam himself 👀.

Now that's your realistic idea🤕🤦🏾‍♂️.

Which of my idea are you talking about? Can you kindly tell me the idea you want me to provide evidence for?

Gabrielshow24:
I asked for evidence you said I should read the bible, did I tell you that I don't read my Bible? 🤨

Bring your facts, preferably bible verses that support this idea of yours👀. I don't want your serenading, I don't need it.

This is animism - the believe that everything has a spiritual existence or that everything has a soul.

This idea is not realistic because if it was so, then life will be pointless and we'll all be guilty. Like your phone has a soul, your car has a soul and your house has a soul and every cloth you wear has a soul. This is more like cartoon brother. It's not realistic.

Gabrielshow24:
You have a fascinating idea but have you thought about the first being spiritual and the second being physical👀.

Spiritually, it's seven days God made all things, physically it's not so🤧. All that you see from the beginning even till now both of man and ’others’ have been made spiritually. Some will have physical existence while others will not 👀.

It is there to show you how God made all things then started the process to bring about all things👀. Two different ideas. Don't get it wrong, Satan's case is another matter.

Read your Bible brother. Take it up. Do your research to know which part of the Bible existed first, then read that part of the Bible.

When you read the Bible, follow the progression and you'll see life as it was formed. Don't add anything from your religion, just accept what you see in the text.

Gabrielshow24:
Where's your Evidence to suggest this? 👀

It's common knowledge for any one with a spiritual eye not to make this blunder of a speech🤨.

I like your idea. People assume that what God created reached maturity instantly instead of seeing creation as a starting process that needs refining as time passes. God created the seed but maturity takes a process of germination.

Even so, there's nothing like Satan in the book of Genesis. Satan was added when we didn't understand what the book were saying. So, instead of assuming Satan existed and affected the world, let's spend time to understand the text.

SpencerForbes:
Now the point is you have a point but as an art student that create we can’t just base our narrative on the fact that it was the fall of satan that made the world shapeless🤔

Now creation is a work in progress. Even the earth till tomorrow is a work in progress. So there might be a chance that the “first earth” was just waiting for continuation rather than being destroyed or made so by satan.

Once you get your clay from the site, it doesn’t become perfect at the first instances but by following the procedures, after the first rough work which isn’t perfect, you’ll still have to work on it till you attain perfection. Which might take days or week depending on how good you are.

So my point is instead of trying to blame satan for everything which the Bible clearly stated in Job that satan can’t touch the handwork of God without permission, let’s come to think of it as a continuation of God’s Creative ability.
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This is untrue. There was nothing like this in the book of Genesis.

ichuka:
Before, after he lost his position in heaven

Lucifer (the first one to bear the commandment) changed to Satan (an enemy of the commandment) after he disobeyed the commandment.

You can't be calling lucifer and Adam in the same sentence. You can either say one or the other.

SpencerForbes:
When did lucifer change to satan . Was it before adam’s fall or after🤔
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That's inquisitive. I like that. However, we must always research and don't just let our minds assume. When we have a particular question, we need to research and ask, then we'll get answers.

Firstly, the idea of Satan and angels falling is a Babylonian myth. There's nothing of such in Genesis, whether Genesis 1 or 2.

Genesis 2 was the first book written and there's nothing of such in it. It was the book written to tell us that Adam predated even angels. The angels you talk about came into being after God had created Adam's.

The first thing God created after he created heaven and earth was Adam. After Adam, he created plant then spiritual companions (angels), then animals and lastly another man (eve)Eve.

This idea of angels and devil was a later Christo centric infusion into the gospel by Europeans who had a funny idea of life.

ichuka:
In genesis1:1 God created the heavens and earth. When you gets to genesis1:2 ..the earth created by God in genesis1 has become formless) shapeless filled with darkness.
Something happened to the earth created in verse1 to become shapeless, formless and filled with darkness in verse2 .
I believe that'll was when Satan and his angels was cast down to the earth.
Geologically you can link both incidence.

it can be debated here but i've expressed my views in the video

SpencerForbes:
Explain here let’s debate it out
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There has been a debate about the books of Genesis, and especially chapter one and two. There seems to be a difference in their separate account of creation making some think they're showing two different creations while others say they're the same creation.

In this video, our brothers take a deep discussion around this topic. Kindly watch and share
https://youtube.com/shorts/5WYYev0kN7w?si=nIJXO2WI6dQ1pJc8

Yes Adam was the first human being but they didn't come together. The man lived for thousands or millions of years before the woman came into being.

Shidda:
Adam and His Wife were the first human on earth, as they came together.

There is no doubt

Do you want to remain in your own cubicle? What are you scared of? Watch the video and you'll learn from another.

MaxInDHouse:
Learn from who?
Ọmọ if not for the Muslim who called my attention:


I have no business with your YouTube business.

Still go and watch the video and learn from others.

MaxInDHouse:
Something that has led you into asking questions about what the Bible has given Bible students the simple answer?

My guy do enjoy your day just know that when talking about real Bible scholars there are many who use the gift to make active disciples for Jesus not going about making money through YouTube.

These are people who have testified to my comments even though i always tell them i'm just a humble student under the Watchtower Organization!

Still watch the video. It'll help you see things differently.

MaxInDHouse:
There is no need because it's obvious that your conclusions are based on what you watched in the video which is clearly not biblical!

These are your take home points!

1. All humans have sinned and fallen short of God's glory {Romans 3:23} so none of Adam's descendants is worthy of being in Paradise until the ultimate price is paid!
2. Heaven wasn't designed for humans {Psalms 115:16} so those who will go to heaven must first become born again sons of God through Christ Jesus.
3. Jesus himself declared that no human has been to heaven before except himself who came from heaven {John 3:13} so there is no possibility of anyone being in heaven before Christ Jesus.
4. Only after the resurrection that those who were declared righteous by God will regain life {John 5:28-29} because it's the ultimate sacrifice Jesus paid that opened the way for the dead to live again.
5. Jesus said no one born of women is greater than John the baptist before God {Matthew 11:11} so if John the baptist is lesser than born again Christians who were bought by Christ's sacrificial blood Enoch who lived and died thousands of years before John can't have something that John couldn't have.

It's not compulsory you welcome this if not for the Muslim man who called my attention i wouldn't even bother to engage you but you yourself made me feel like commenting when you said i can't have the answer when the Bible has given us the key to unlock the sacred secret!

The video will explain more to you

MaxInDHouse:
So the video is valid more than God's own word inspired through holy spirit?🙂

Go and watch the video and stop disparaging what you don't know.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote the highlighted in the Bible?

Remember all descendants of Adam are SINNERS {Romans 5:12} and Eden is where God's glory shines of which no descendant of Adam qualifies to be! Romans 3:23

So if God drove away Adam from Eden how do you think any of Adam's children could be there before Christ came to offer the ultimate sacrifice?

You ignored God's word only to believe what another man told you over God's inspired word!🙂

STOP jumping into conclusions, my friend

God took him as a person and not his life. Enoch was still on earth but not among humans because he was taken back to Eden.

You can watch this episode of shifting Perspective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxAU5MW5KZw

MaxInDHouse:
That's the point!
God took his life before his time.
God removed him from the generation of hurtful people where he was preaching what wasn't appealing to any of them not that he was taken to heaven that idea was nullified by Jesus when he said no man has ascended to heaven! John 3:13

You people often cause confusion for yourselves by expecting everything to be told word for word when you can easily read through the lines!

Read it again, please.

Kobojunkie:
I did hence the questions I had there for you of what you wrote.

This is incorrect. Even from Genesis it was seen that Enoch didn't die. God took him from among humans.

MaxInDHouse:
There is no verse in the entire Bible that says this rather what the scriptures said is Enoch didn't see death which totally differs from what you typed.

Someone didn't die means he is still alive but someone didn't see death means he never experienced death as in growing old or facing sickness that could kill him or being murdered!🙂

Kindly reach what I wrote again. It appears you didn't understand it properly.

Kobojunkie:
1. The original entry on Enoch in Genesis did not state that he did not die, but rather that Enoch was taken by Elohim. As for what the writer of the book of Hebrew meant when he asserted that Enoch did not die, only he knows, since the passages he supposedly referenced in Scripture never in fact state that Enoch died, and it certainly does not suggest that Heaven was an end goal for the dead of that time.

2. But the writer of John never said anything about Enoch, or even Elijah after him, having ascended into a place called Heaven. So, why do you introduce the mention of heaven at this point?

You're free to go and argue with the Bible because the Bible says in a few places that Enoch didn't die. If you have a problem, go and rewrite the Bible, please.

MaxInDHouse:
Enoch is sleeping in death.

In Bible book of Revelations here is what we found:

And the SEA gave up the dead in it, and DEATH and the GRAVE gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. Revelations 20:13
From where will resurrected ones come?

SEA: Those drowned or eaten by fish.
DEATH: Anyone who is no more alive.
GRAVE: Those buried.

So Enoch is DEAD because the Bible never recorded his death doesn't mean he goes to heaven Jesus has debunked that idea! John 3:13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEAlQ4M_dI?si=LcUzDTORfqsw1KDG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEAlQ4M_dI?si=LcUzDTORfqsw1KDG

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEAlQ4M_dI

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEAlQ4M_dI

Across different faith traditions and modern interpretations, one fascinating debate continues to stir interest — was Adam truly the first human?

Some preachers argue that the Bible’s account of Adam does not necessarily mean he was the first person to ever walk the earth. They suggest that Adam might represent the first of a chosen lineage rather than the first biological human. Meanwhile, several religious and philosophical groups have long held beliefs in the existence of pre-Adamic humans — beings who lived before Adam and Eve, possibly explaining ancient civilizations and archaeological findings that seem to predate the biblical timeline.

Today, this idea is gaining traction, especially among younger generations. Many are re-examining traditional interpretations of Genesis in light of science, anthropology, and open theological discussion. Whether viewed symbolically or literally, the story of Adam continues to provoke deep reflection about human origins, divine purpose, and our place in creation.

Watch in this video
https://youtube.com/shorts/ITVSjm-APB4?si=4Zp9JK2TGY3tUzEK

Across different faith traditions and modern interpretations, one fascinating debate continues to stir interest — was Adam truly the first human?

Some preachers argue that the Bible’s account of Adam does not necessarily mean he was the first person to ever walk the earth. They suggest that Adam might represent the first of a chosen lineage rather than the first biological human. Meanwhile, several religious and philosophical groups have long held beliefs in the existence of pre-Adamic humans — beings who lived before Adam and Eve, possibly explaining ancient civilizations and archaeological findings that seem to predate the biblical timeline.

Today, this idea is gaining traction, especially among younger generations. Many are re-examining traditional interpretations of Genesis in light of science, anthropology, and open theological discussion. Whether viewed symbolically or literally, the story of Adam continues to provoke deep reflection about human origins, divine purpose, and our place in creation.

Watch in this video
https://youtube.com/shorts/ITVSjm-APB4?si=4Zp9JK2TGY3tUzEK

There's been recent discussion around the subject of creation and the concept of "image of God." Some people and even preachers believe that Adam was not the first human being as the text in Genesis 1 do not explicitly say that there were no men at the time God said "let us make man in our own image."

Other people blatantly criticize this perspective as it goes against the very core of the creationism concept. So in this video, we discuss both perspective and reveal what the bible actually said and didn't say. Kindly watch and share.

https://youtube.com/shorts/-HY-QPasv5A?si=ny4sDca-RNSmKgah

There's been recent discussion around the subject of creation and the concept of "image of God." Some people and even preachers believe that Adam was not the first human being as the text in Genesis 1 do not explicitly say that there were no men at the time God said "let us make man in our own image."

Other people blatantly criticize this perspective as it goes against the very core of the creationism concept. So in this video, we discuss both perspective and reveal what the bible actually said and didn't say. Kindly watch and share.

https://youtube.com/shorts/-HY-QPasv5A?si=ny4sDca-RNSmKgah