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Like I said in the write up, nothing in the verse indicates that. Nothing in the idea of spiritual death in Ephesians tells you that this will happen on a day, but the final death is known to happen on the day of God. So i don't think it was anything like spiritual.

Also, let's not make it like God reacted immediately Adam sinned. God does not reach immediately.

Thankgod89:
Adam experienced spiritual death immediately upon eating the fruit. Meaning he was separated from God, lost his state of innocence, and became aware of sin. The notion of spiritual death is supported by passages like Ephesians 2:1, which describe humanity as "dead in trespasses and sins" before being made alive in Christ.

That’s also a good thinking.

However, we must be flexible enough to see that everything in the Bible is not just for Israel. They’re for a kind of people. Israel represented an example of that kind of people so everything pointed to Israel as an example until we actually see those people.

When Christ came, he established that kingdom and became the first of that kind of people which the Bible was actually talking about when it points to Israel as an example.

This is why the Bible says he is the first of every creation—Colossians 1:15.

Was Christ the first person ever born in Israel? No, but he was the first person to exist among that people that the Bible actually points to. This is why someone even called him “last Adam” in the Bible because the story in the Bible is actually about him being the first man God creates and blessed him with all authority to rule the fishes and every creature and gave him power to subdue the earth and fill it up with the fragrance of God.

MrPresident1:
Everything in the Bible is directly or indirectly about Israel.

This is a beautiful perspective. Never saw it like this.

I think we should not sound too theological that we throw facts away. All the event of Genesis 2-3 are not about Israel even though you can see allegories in it. So let’s not outrightly say the story is about Israel. However, can say the story also represent Israel.

MrPresident1:
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The story of Adam and Eve is an allegorical representation of the travails of Israel.

Adam is the house of David, Eve is the people, both of them are the whole house of Israel.

The garden of Eden is the land God gave to the Israelites after they left Egypt

The Serpent is a people who were very cunning and deceitful

The forbidden fruit is the idolatry of this nation that was the previous dwellers of the land before God gave it to Israel

God told Israel that they should have nothing to do with the fruit of the forbidden tree, but they did not obey. The trees are people, and their fruits is the works of their hand

Israel lost the presence of God due to transgression, and the Deuteronomy 28 curses was activated upon them

It was Israel's commingling with the people they were commanded to destroy that destroyed them too

Exodus 34:11-17
King James Version
11 Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite.

12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:

13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:

14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;

16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.

NNtv:
Why did Jesus need to come again before Adam dies when the Bible refer Jesus as the second Adam?

Should'nt casting of Adam out of the garden fulfilment of the "Death"

Good point, very thoughtful of you.

So let’s look at that. Jesus did not come for Adam. God had already told Adam that he’ll die. The death God was talking about is that death that Jesus called the second death. People didn’t know of it, that’s why Jesus revealed it.

So that death will happen when Christ returns and to open the lake of fire. That’s when Adam will surely die as God had said.

Continuation of Part 1
While there are no indications in the texts showing what God meant by “day” or “death,” we have tried to add nuances to the texts to make sense of the whole situation in a way that does not portray God as a bluffer.

Some say the "day" is 1,000 years, while others say it’s a 24-hour day. Some say the "death" was spiritual, while others believe it was a natural death. Some interpret the death as separation from God. However, it is worth noting that none of these nuances can be clearly seen in the text. They are often added by individuals, as the text neither implies nor infers any of these meanings.

How Do We Know What God Meant?
We simply have to continue reading to understand the statement. We must read toward the actual fall to grasp what God meant.

What Did God Say After Adam Ate the Fruit?
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. — Genesis 3:19
God told Adam that he would return to where he came from.

Recall that Adam did not exist until God created him from the ground. To "return to where he was taken from" means to return to nonexistence—by the same ground from which he was made to exist.

Therefore, the death mentioned in the text refers to the second death. Until a man dies the second death, he is not truly dead before God. God was simply telling Adam that he would experience the second death if he ate from the tree.

On Which Day Will He Die?
Adam was in the presence of God (in the garden) when he received the command and when he disobeyed it. After his disobedience, Adam was cast out of the garden—away from the presence of God. Since Adam no longer experienced the "day of the Lord," he could not have died on a day he could not partake in.

Therefore, the "day" in the presence of God must return to earth for Adam to die on that day. This refers to the day when Christ will return in the power of God, and Adam will be subjected to death for introducing sin into the world.

Conclusion
The "death" is the second death, which all sinners must undergo, while the "day" which Adam will die is the day of the Lord.
Thank you for reading.

Continuation of Part 1
While there are no indications in the texts showing what God meant by “day” or “death,” we have tried to add nuances to the texts to make sense of the whole situation in a way that does not portray God as a bluffer.

Some say the "day" is 1,000 years, while others say it’s a 24-hour day. Some say the "death" was spiritual, while others believe it was a natural death. Some interpret the death as separation from God. However, it is worth noting that none of these nuances can be clearly seen in the text. They are often added by individuals, as the text neither implies nor infers any of these meanings.

How Do We Know What God Meant?
We simply have to continue reading to understand the statement. We must read toward the actual fall to grasp what God meant.

What Did God Say After Adam Ate the Fruit?
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. — Genesis 3:19
God told Adam that he would return to where he came from.

Recall that Adam did not exist until God created him from the ground. To "return to where he was taken from" means to return to nonexistence—by the same ground from which he was made to exist.

Therefore, the death mentioned in the text refers to the second death. Until a man dies the second death, he is not truly dead before God. God was simply telling Adam that he would experience the second death if he ate from the tree.

On Which Day Will He Die?
Adam was in the presence of God (in the garden) when he received the command and when he disobeyed it. After his disobedience, Adam was cast out of the garden—away from the presence of God. Since Adam no longer experienced the "day of the Lord," he could not have died on a day he could not partake in.

Therefore, the "day" in the presence of God must return to earth for Adam to die on that day. This refers to the day when Christ will return in the power of God, and Adam will be subjected to death for introducing sin into the world.

Conclusion
The "death" is the second death, which all sinners must undergo, while the "day" which Adam will die is the day of the Lord.
Thank you for reading.

StillDtruth:
Devil, just say that you want to register your name as an inmate of hellfire.

But for any innocent person I ask what did the bible say is a day in God's Eyes?

And flowing from the the answer in question 1, how long did Adam live?

Was it up to a day?

That’s the easy pick that Satan wants you to believe was what God was saying. Kindly look out for the part 2 of this write up.

If God was talking about a day in his presence then God must have mentioned then the death will be in God’s present too.

MaxInDHouse:
A day in God's timing is 1,000 years {2Peter 3:8} unlike humans that a day is 24 hours so Adam died in less than one day from God's standpoint:

He lived 930 years {Genesis 5:5} and no human lived up to one day since then!

Well, there was no indication of such telling if it’s a day in God’s presence or a day in adam’s presence. So you’ll be assuming to keep your beliefs. There’s no where else that corroborates that the day God was talking about is 1000years.

Gabrielshow24:
You are confused.
Something died that day but it wasn't Adam.

God killed an animal and from the animals hide made "clothes" for them!!!

A pre-cursor signal as to what will be later on!!!

Everything you’ve mentioned are things we add from our own experiences and beliefs to the text. They’re not there and that’s why you can’t let the scriptures interpret themselves in this case.

“You shall surely die in the day that you eat thereof.”

It is quite surprising that Adam did not die after eating from the tree, as God had informed him, which makes us question whether "the day" referred to something else, or if God was just bluffing.

Many scholars have attempted to overcome this intellectual hurdle by offering various interpretations of the word "day" in this context, aiming to prevent God's words from being seen as a mere bluff. Others, however, argue that there are no indications that "the day" meant anything other than a typical 24-hour day. These individuals further conclude that God was simply trying to prevent man from eating the fruit by issuing a vain threat.

The commandment reads as follows: “Of every tree of the garden, thou mayest freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.”

Bone of contention: “For in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.”

Some argue that God’s threat did not come to pass, as Adam was recorded to have lived for hundreds of years after eating from the tree. Others propose that Adam died spiritually, introducing the concepts of spiritual and physical death.

However, these new concepts fail to convince many, as they appear to have been inserted into the Bible by those who are reluctant to believe that God’s threat was simply a bluff. The idea of spiritual death, though not originally implied, is being used to ensure that God is continuously seen as truthful.