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Yeah, heaven is a sacred place. Those who get to heaven are those who overcome the urges of their body and mind. They wouldn't need to have sex in heaven because they now live above these urges and they're in a world above the natural urges. You're spot on my friend

BewareOf419:
I have critically analyzed what I read and have knowledge of the two most popular religious books on earth.

One promised everlasting life after death while the other talks about everlasting x x on getting to paradise. I asked myself is heaven like earth where daily unlimited x x do occur? That makes me to realize that I am on the right path that says paradise is a sacred place of God!

What is the bone of contention?

Expanse2020:
But Enoch never die naw...

For more insightful discussion, here's a video I made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxAU5MW5KZw

This is a literal man's view, that's a man that interprets the scripture with his culture or experience. I know you've watched movies and seen that people wear animal skin and that's what your mind paints for you when you read that part of the scripture. I understand you, my friend. I really do.

However, when God made man from the dust, what he made was a spirit (soul) and when he breathed into man, man became a speaking spirit.

When man sinned, that spirit which God made was clothed with skin to have the same skin that animals have. That's what the writer of Genesis is trying to paint to us.

That cloth of sin (that is, the body we now possess is what Paul was talking about in 2 Corinthians 5:1-

Let's speak exegetically, my friend. I really do find your inquisitveness interesting and I know you think you know it better than I do, I do not seek to know it better, but I know that this particular thing you're saying is not scriptural truth.

God didn't start animal sacrificing as you claimed. Humans started it because they didn't understand what was expected of them. In fact, God explicitly said he didn't tell them to bring animal sacrifices.

Jesus was the first man to give the kind of animal sacrifice that God required of man

Gabrielshow24:
You are confused.
Something died that day but it wasn't Adam.

God killed an animal and from the animals hide made "clothes" for them!!!

A pre-cursor signal as to what will be later on!!!

Have you seen this video?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxAU5MW5KZw

This is wise. We mustn't ho overboard just because we want to counter another person. Welldone sir

AntiisIam:
I should provide you answer from the Bible that he dyed when he did not

If you need to watch the full video, here's the link


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxAU5MW5KZw

If you need to watch the full video, here's the link


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxAU5MW5KZw

They can't, unless they have another revelation separate from what we see in the scripture.

Expanse2020:
Antiislam
MaxinDhouse
Kindly provide us with answer or evidence that he died in the bible

The story of Enoch is the most mysterious of all the accounts in the Bible because he was the only man who the Bible described not to see death. Was just just an old testament myth? No, it's not. The write of Hebrews also reinforced this when he said Enoch didn't see death.

However, this leaves us in a quandary as the writer of John also told us that no man has ascended to heaven nor has anyone seen God. So where's Enoch? He didn't see death and he didn't ascend to heaven.

We discuss these and more in this video. Our brothers opened up this important part of the scripture that has hidden for so long. Watch and share.
https://youtube.com/shorts/Y37zMtFF9cs?feature=share

This is the part two for anyone who watched part 1.
https://youtube.com/shorts/Te4iQuCVffA?feature=share

Critical reasoning does not lead to critical condition. It's lack of critical reasoning that leads to critical condition.

I would assume that even if we read the most righteous book like we all claim to do in our respective religions, we still need to critically analyze what we read to know if we're on the right path or lost. Lack of critical reasoning had made many lost.

BewareOf419:
I pray it won't lead to critical condition!

This is important

Critical reasoning

BewareOf419:
Which reasoning are you applying?

Although the traditional view is that Cherubs are angels, this does not have any biblical backing. The bible is slightly silent on what Cherubs are, people apply the traditional view as that satisfy our need to know.

In this video, we'll be discussing this subject extensively in a few parts video.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ryZ0uP8doJY?si=4UdmX0ZGynbUS3t4

This is not true my friend, you've married here on earth and have had sex. In heaven, you'll be more serious and focus on the collective whole.

The idea of marriage is selfish, you'll focus on your wife and children but in heaven, such selfish reality will end.

What's the use of going to heaven when you'll still be doing what you were doing here on earth? You'll still be giving your wife doggy and be fingering her.

I respect that you are simply quoting the Quran but I'll advise you to apply some reasoning so that you'll not lost yourself to your religion.

BewareOf419:
Maybe in your own paradise but in ours, that is what we'll be doing!

Lo! those who merit paradise this day are happily employed, They and their wives, in pleasant shade, on thrones reclining; Theirs the fruit (of their good deeds) and theirs (all) that they ask; The word from a Merciful Lord (for them) is: Peace!
Quran 36:55-58.


Lo! those who kept their duty dwell in gardens and delight, Happy because of what their Lord hath given them, and (because) their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire. (And it is said unto them): Eat and drink in health (as a reward) for what ye used to do, Reclining on ranged couches. And we wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes. . . .
Quran 52:17-20



Anas narrated that the Prophet (s.a.w) said: "The believer shall be given in paradise such and such strength in intercourse." it was said: "O Messenger of Allah! And will he able to do that?" He said: "He will be given the strength of a hundred."
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 4:36:2536

That's unlikely. Janah is the domain of Allah. You can't be doing such thing there.

BewareOf419:
But Quran says otherwise that we'll be having x x in Janah!

In this video, we look at the biblical text in Job, and especially Job 1 where the sons of God gathered with Satan coming among them.

The traditional belief has always been that Satan is among them and that's why he joined them, but on shifting Perspective today, we look at the text critically to exploring the part where Satan may only be trangressing by joining them.

We explore the part where Satan is not actually a son of God but joined them regardless. Kindly watch and share:
https://youtube.com/shorts/uUGrRO2dWHI?feature=share

If you watch the video, you'll know how I think and you'll know how to articulate your answer to inform me If I'm wrong. But if you don't, you won't be able to inform me. The easier way to win is to first understand how the other person thinks.

AntiChristian:
Na me go waste my data on your false videos? Post your evidence here make iron am out one by one! If I watch video should I now do my own video to respond to you or why must I watch your video?

I have already proved that you are peddling falsehood. No one is trying to be God as no one can be like Him! It is spelt out boldly and that claim of your is false!

In this video, we look at the biblical text in Job, and especially Job 1 where the sons of God gathered with Satan coming among them.

The traditional belief has always been that Satan is among them and that's why he joined them, but on shifting Perspective today, we look at the text critically to exploring the part where Satan may only be trangressing by joining them.

We explore the part where Satan is not actually a son of God but joined them regardless. Kindly watch and share:
https://youtube.com/shorts/uUGrRO2dWHI?feature=share

Who are the sons of God, is Satan one of them?

https://youtube.com/shorts/uUGrRO2dWHI?feature=share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcUGTqEa9uo

This should serve

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcUGTqEa9uo

This should serve for anyone seeking answers or wondering.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcUGTqEa9uo

There's is growing understanding that the book of Job does not actually say that Satan is an angel and here's a discussion to support the idea.

It's quite an interesting discussion as it cuts through the existing belief that the book of jobs identify Satan as an angel. Kindly watch on youtube.

https://youtube.com/shorts/uUGrRO2dWHI?feature=share

I understand how difficult it’s for you to accept these things, but I’m not trying to convince you. You can keep your belief if you so wish but if you want to unlearn and relearn, here’s a video for you. Thank you for your time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzv5KM9Db3c?si=OBO0eupVvNwUlSsT

AntiChristian:
This is a lie from hell. How are we like God? Does God have flesh? Can God die? Can God create a partner for himself as when God created Adam, he created Eve in your Bible. There was no sin yet! Why didn't God create a partner for himself to keep him company? You sabi misinterpret texts!

The context of "Be Fruitful and Multiply" is to make use of the organs and populate the earth! No other meaning! God does not need multiplication, addition, subtraction nor division!

Whatever God does is not to be classified by us. In the Bible, God killed many people. He did caused many wars and deaths. Can we classify them as good or bad?

Animals and humans are to populate the earth by reproduction. No one can be like God. My own purpose is to get admitted to paradise!

God is on His own! No one can be like Him.

Psalm 113:5
Who can be compared with the LORD our God, who is enthroned on high?

Isaiah 40:18
To whom will you liken God? To what image will you compare Him?

Isaiah 40:25
“To whom will you liken Me, or who is My equal?” asks the Holy One.

Isaiah 46:5
To whom will you liken Me or count Me equal? To whom will you compare Me, that we should be alike?

1 Samuel 2:2
There is no one holy like the LORD. Indeed, there is no one besides You! And there is no Rock like our God.

2 Samuel 7:22
How great You are, O Lord GOD! For there is none like You, and there is no God but You, according to everything we have heard with our own ears.

Ok that's fine. You win.

And yes, the two cherubs covering the throne are men.

That was a representation of what will happen in our time. The throne of God is our heart (God dwell in us). The two cherubs are male and female in which God will dwell.

Joel also reinforced that message that in the last days, God (the spirit) will dwell in all flesh as opposed to the way it was before - one man being the chief priest.

So, I'm very sorry I misread when you talked about Cherubim, I thought you were talking about the Cherubim in Eden.
Also, I'm not trying to win an argument with you so stop appealing to the audience. You're asking me to give an account of what I know. If this is an argument for you, I'm not interested pls. If you have anymore questions for me, I've talked about it in the video. Thank you.
You can watch everything here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcUGTqEa9uo

Gabrielshow24:
You are grasping at straws with the bolded because I didn't say they were two cherubs in Eden🥱. Here is what I said.
The reader can see I didn't say two cherubs with respect to Eden🥱. It's definitely your preconceived bias that you are reading into the scripture 🥱. Now to add, you stated that Moses saw a dream and God had to wait until Man multiplied, to take of that ’man’ and place as a guard...sorry cherub...in Eden. That's even more wrong🤦🏾‍♂️.

This tales by moonlight falls short. The serpent was not intuition 🤨. Keep in mind that some verses before that, God gathered the land animals to see what Adam will name them. I guess these animals like their relative, ’serpent’ are relational concepts🤨 according to you. Do you see what is wrong with this?

After hinting you at the ludicrousness of your stance, I leave the reader to form his own conclusions. One thing is sure, you have shown that you consistently add your own eisegesis to it.

Pls, take your advice and stop ’going out of what can be known and start spewing religious bias’.

I don't understand how you concluded that the book of Job calls Satan "a son of God."

This is a false claim my friend. While I understand your assumption and why you may assume, scriptural truth must not be interpreted with our assumption.

You should watch this video, it'll help you see another perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcUGTqEa9uo

sonmvayina:
What is an angel or what are Angels? It simply means messenger. It could either be a man or a divine messenger. A messenger delivers a message from a higher authority to another person or group. Jonah was an angel sent by God to the people of Ninevah.
To the Satan, did the Bible ever refer to him as an angel? The book of Job calls him "a son of God". In the original version of the story, the God there was Marduk and Satan there was Enlil, who was the Lord of the wind.
I think our delusion will be cured if we actually did some independent study rather than display our gross ignorance.
Satan is simply a personification of a principle with God. This happens to be the wind.

Hahahaha very subtle yet funny.

I didn't actually write my own Bible, I just studied the one that was written to ensure that I'm not believing a wrong thing. If you also go and study the language, you'll see that cherub are not actually angels and the idea that they're is a religious one created by people to satisfy the mind.

RealityKings1:
Seems you have written your own bible

Like I said, if you go on a goose chase outside what can be known, then you're on your own. There's no where that the Bible tells us that Cherubs are angels, you're bringing your bias into the text.

Yes, after Adam and Eve left Eden, the Cherubims that was placed in the garden was a man. You don't know this because you mix your bias with scripture. I'll show you example: the Bible didn't actually tell us that God placed "two" cherubim in Eden after Adam and Eve, but you said "two" because your bias say two. So you seamlessly attached this to scripture unconsciously.

However, the Cherubim was man because firstly, the garden was for man and secondly, it wasn't immediately Adam and Eve left that God placed man there. God had to wait till there was man he could take from earth and put back in the garden to keep it till his restoration plan could take effect.

The writer of Genesis saw all of this in a vision and didn't tell you what time thus happened. He simply wrote what he saw. And what he saw was that after (not time specific) Adam and Eve were chased out, Cherubim (Cherubim are humans) and a flaming word was put in Eden.

Also, you inferred that the serpent was a person, trying to say he was an angel and cannot be a man. That's another of your bias you brought again. The Serpent was not a person or a Being, it was simply the intuition speaking with Eve inwardly.

I'll end by saying that if you got out of what can be known and start spewing religious bias, you'll go astray. God expects you to know him through what has been revealed and not through religious biases.

I'll leave you a few of my videos so you'll see from other perspective. I respect your zeal to know and I truly appreciate you and your great pursuit of knowledge, but I'll ask you to open your mind and see things more openly. I hope these videos help you.
https://youtube.com/shorts/cRmZ864JHQY?si=np-WHJKcK5MmQouQ

https://youtube.com/shorts/ocrkvPhG0Lg?si=wg8JbpYd1ZrAXqtU

https://youtube.com/shorts/g0A2C-MQoBE?si=p2FvliUGbQatx2QR

Gabrielshow24:
It seems you didn’t actually read what I wrote—you just reiterated your delusion. By your logic, are we to conclude that the two cherubs covering the Lord’s throne were men? 😔👀 The cherub with the flaming sword was also a man? 🤨 And the cherub the Lord rode upon was yet another man? 🤨 Do you see the absurdity here?

Do you even read before presenting such half-baked theories? At the very least, take the whole of Scripture into consideration before speaking!

Nowhere are we given the illusion—or even the slightest hint—that cherubs were men. Your logic collapses because the fact that men were placed in the garden does not mean that, historically, factually, or whatever ’ly’ you want to add, an angel could not also be placed there. In fact, the very passage itself explicitly states that a cherub was placed there. 🤷

So your so-called ’oridavid’s exclusion principle’ is both insufficient and wrong. Need I remind you that the fall of man was localized in the garden? If your principle were valid, how then did the serpent gain entry at all—much less mislead the woman?

Pls, do better than this😮‍💨.

What language do you get the idea that Cherubs are angels? Did you make that up yourself, since it's certainly not Hebrew?

Also, what we know is that Eden was a place for man. God didn't make Eden until he made man. This is what we know.

And when God placed someone in Eden, it has always been a man. There's no record of angels being placed in Eden. Since we know that Satan was placed in Eden as a Cherub, we can only realistically, factually and textually conclude him to be a man.

So, if you refuse what is known and clearly written, for some personal goose chase, that's on you. It's not my responsibility or anyone's responsibility to join you on that goose chase. Do have a lovely day, my friend.

Gabrielshow24:
Well said, but your argument is unconvincing. If you claim Satan was meant to worship God as a man, then why do we still find Satan and his angels in heaven? 🥱 That reveals an inconsistency in your framework.

You also assume that Eden was exclusively for man and that God could not place an angel there. But where is this basis? 🤨 Isn’t this your own eisegesis—the very thing you accuse others of? 🤕

Before dismissing anything as ‘not an angel,’ you must first define what an angel is. From such a definition, we can determine whether cherubim fall within the category of angels or represent something distinct.

Since the term ‘angel’ generally refers to heavenly beings who serve as messengers, it follows that all heavenly beings may theoretically be considered ‘angels,’ insofar as God can send any of them on His errands. To deny this would imply a limitation on God’s omnipotence, which is impossible.

Thus, beginning with the axiom that God is omnipotent, and from the fact that angels are heavenly messengers, we may conclude that ‘angel’ is a generic term. After all, if God could send His own Son, then no member of the heavenly court is beyond being sent by Him. Therefore, all heavenly beings can, at least functionally, be called angels. 🤔

Returning to the main issue: Satan has angels, and Scripture identifies him as a cherub—a class of heavenly beings who serve in God’s work. This strongly suggests that Satan was indeed an angel in function.

That said, the deeper question is whether all cherubim are angels by nature or whether they form a distinct category. Since Scripture offers insufficient detail to settle this, we can only say with certainty that, in the generic sense of role and function, Satan was an angel. Whether cherubim constitute a unique order within the angelic host remains an open question.