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Yes, and he started off with humans, teaching us the righteousness of God. We're still underway with that.

We've not seen all that Jesus has done but in the new heaven and earth, we'll see it all.

Truthseeker10:
You are the one teaching here. So please answer the question below.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

This was the blessing for animals to reproduce "after their own kind."

Truthseeker10:
Explain Genesis 1:22 below

New International Version
God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”

Ok, if that's how you understand it, that's absolutely fine with me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6W0QRyqyVA?si=m1Ut2ti8SuXtFBQD

gohf:
so basically you had no answer to the question and had no intention of answering

Now i think you're intentionally not wanting to see.

the tree brought forth desires but we find Eve ’lusting’ after the tree now in a bid to explain this, you said she touched the tree 👀, her tree🤨...are there suddenly two trees?

What is this about? did you actually read the bible?
1. She touched the tree
2. She recognized that it's desire of the eye
3. Then she ate (enjoyed) the fruit of the tree - She conceived that lust.
4. Then she gives her Husband that the fruit of the tree too.
5. The tree is the sex organ, and both man and woman have sex organ
6. He enjoyed the feeling too
7. Then he "knew" his wife
8. Then she had Cain

Everything is consistent.
I can understand if you refuse to accept the idea, but saying it's not consistent is a playful game i'm not interested in playing again. Have a great day, my friend. Thank you so far.

Gabrielshow24:
😂 it's just speculation on your part. Because Hebrew authors tend to use ’know’ for ’se...ual activities’ doesn't mean that in such context it means that ’know’👀—that's false equivocation!

I could do that as well. A lot of people do that e.g., JW render ’firstborn’ literally even though they assert Jesus was with the Father since Eternity🤦🏾‍♂️. The context determines the use case of the word! You don't cherry-pick.

Have you thought about the consequences of this assertion as it applies to God? 🤨 If you didn't, then it shows it's a poorly thought out alternative theory that's based on lots of false assumptions.

[1] doesn't explain the error. Your assertion is simple, the tree brought forth desires but we find Eve ’lusting’ after the tree now in a bid to explain this, you said she touched the tree 👀, her tree🤨...are there suddenly two trees? I don't think so. So let me get this straight, according to you, the mother of mankind self-serviced herself got ’the desires’ then later ’fed’ Adam her cookie, only for God to come back later and give them ’garments of skins’—it's a nice imaginative story 😅.

May I ask, is it only the tree of knowledge of good and evil that connotes ’se...’? what about the tree of life?🤨 Is that supposed to be ’se...’? You have an inconsistent framework. If you claim such tree is ’se...ual’ then all trees must be ’se...ual’. Apart from this, it's based on assumptions and speculations. Nice sharing it though😅.

I can totally understand why you don't want to see any point I'm making. That's fine, but I'll keep trying. I just want you to know that I'm not trying to convince you or make you think like me. I'm only doing this to express what I know.

1. The desire was generated when she touched the tree.
2. "Know" in the Hebrew is commonly used sexually and that is what the writer of Genesis was painting. You can check that if you really want to learn.
3. After she touched herself, she enjoyed the feeling. And she touched the man and he enjoyed the feeling.
Sex was aftermath of that.

The logic is consistent, my friend.

Gabrielshow24:
[1] is flawed as it doesn't account for where her desires came from given your earlier assertion that the ’tree of knowledge gave desires’. It is also wrong as it's a misconstrued version of genesis to fit your agenda. Can you show us where this is? The key phrase being ’after she touched it’ in relation with the ’desire of the eyes’.

[2] continues from a faulty presupposition and you have Adam eating cookie🤦🏾‍♂️. Somehow after this they hid themselves and exclaimed they were naked🤔. This same context you earlier claimed, in a different thread, to mean God gave them ’physical skins’. This seems to me that even before they had physical skins... According to you...that they had ’se...’. Does this make sense to you?🤨 So Spirits or souls, like you claim they were, had se... This just shows your write-up is a farrago of false equivocations, continually switching between the different meanings of the words to sell your case🥱. The first one was ’skins’ but today it's ’know’🤦🏾‍♂️.

[3] This conclusion is marvelous 👀. You just had to make such conclusion because your earlier premises are riddled with fallacies.

Your logic is far from consistent. It centres on logical leaps that dwarf the leaps of ’Monk...is’. Such beings will commit ’sue side’ if they saw such leaps🤧.

Teach us first, we're still being taught. Why the rush?

Truthseeker10:
Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

You can spends time with the bible and resolve that, my friend. I don't need to show you what is already written. I can only show you what's not but can be inferred.

Truthseeker10:
So Adam was made before animals and God made them to eat each other?

I'm sorry you feel that way and I can understand why you feel that way.

You can study the Hebrew text if you want but it's not my responsibility to make you accept what I say.

1. She recognized the fruit of the tree as Desire of the eyes, only after she touched it.
2. Then she gave that fruit of the tree to Adam to eat with her - sex is eaten by two.
3. After then, Adam knew her by that same tree.

The logic is consistent. I'm not trying to convince you. so, you're free to keep your beliefs, bro. Thank you for engagement so far.

Gabrielshow24:
The several perspectives of the bolded doesn't help you. Adam didn't know his wife by the tree neither ’se...ually’ nor ’through interaction’. The first one is explicitly stated as being ’after’ while the second is just speculation from you as there is no evidence to back up your claim; anyone can likewise claim that they met by the side of a mango tree🤨some can go further and say it was a Christmas tree🌲—Your point is moot. It doesn't matter what meaning of ’know’ you appeal to, it must fit the context else you are just committing false equivocations🧐!

If it's ’desire of the eyes’, then it should have told you that ’her eyes already had desires’🤷not that such desires came after eating the apple... Sorry, gbola🤕.

You must ensure you are not ’shifting perspective’ of the masses from truth to falsehood(inadequate and insufficient head knowledge). That's my two cents.

According to Genesis 2:19, in the day that animals were created, God brought them to Adam to name, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Truthseeker10:
Who made them to lack proper training before adam and eve were created?

You'll see in the new world.

Truthseeker10:
So kindly explain how Jesus accomplished the plan of training animals not to eat each other while on earth.

Eve recognized what it was. She said "it's desire of the eyes."

I think you should calm down and watch it all over again. Sometimes it take maybe twice or trice to properly understand something.

Your other summation that it's a tree that gave knowledge is understandable. Since they translated it as "tree of knowledge," you'll naturally think it makes people intelligent.

However, Adam "knew" his wife by that tree. So, perhaps your definition of knowledge is different from what the people were talking about.

Like I said, take some time to watch the video again. Maybe watch it till the end. I appreciate your questions. If you have many more, I'll be happy to answer them.

Gabrielshow24:
Ok, watching this. I can't help but to point out some few errors.

You claimed the fruit gave desires but we already find eve desiring it before eating from it🤷 which begs the question where did her initial ’lust’ or desire come from? Or by your logic did she pre-eat the tree of knowledge 🤕? Definitely, it can't be a tree of desires and consequently a tree of extremes. While I appreciate your school of thought but it's oversimplification.

Also, the tree of knowledge wasn't a tree of ’se...ual energy’ like you claimed. It's a tree that gave knowledge, simple. If I were to use your logic, I can posit that the tree of knowledge was a ’frantic energy’—scientifically speaking all these can be reduced to some few chemicals so appealing to one form of energy as the tree of knowledge is fallacious. You can see clearly that both doesn't fit into the context of the book. You also hinted in favor of the narrative that the ’apple was Adam's gbola’—I find this ridiculous. The text doesn't say all what you posited, it's just your inference. It's a far-fetched one.

Lack of proper training. Animals need to be trained and compelled.

Truthseeker10:
So who made animals to eat themselves before adam and eve sinned?

Yes, Adam and Eve were not supposed to bear children and bearing children was a misalignment from the plan of God. I taught extensively on this on youtube. You can check it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6W0QRyqyVA?si=IHI84EqapzHaR1ej

Truthseeker10:
lol...funny....did you not claim that Adam and eve were not to bear children and that bearing children only happened after they sinned?

So kindly explain how Jesus accomplished the plan of training animals not to eat each other while on earth.

The Hebrew word for angel is malech, but theologians also think Kerub also mean angels so they twist every where Kerub appears to to anegl even though the bible didn't use Malech.

Does that answer you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6W0QRyqyVA?si=IHI84EqapzHaR1ej

Janosky:
OP, what is the meaning of the Hebrew word for angel?
Have you taken time to study Job 2:1,Job 1:6 & Job 38:4-7?

Abeg ,go & learn, unlearn & relearn.

I do have evidence that will be uploaded on my Youtube channel. Kindly subscribe to it to get notified.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6W0QRyqyVA?si=IHI84EqapzHaR1ej

Gabrielshow24:
I don't base my conclusions on mere, ’trust me, bro’🤔. If you have evidence then provide.

I don't know anything about that.

gohf:
those who believe that Jesus is god would not say that Jesus is the Adam of the new world

Adam made himself not to function. It's a willful thing. He chose not to function because he was planning another agenda.

Truthseeker10:
So who made Adam not to function as he should before he sinned?

I didn't say only Adam and Eve were to take care of all the animals.

If God had created you too, Adam would have instructed you, and you will join in the work.

Truthseeker10:
You claim that humans filling the earth means only Adam and eve were to take care of all the animals and to train them not to eat each other. You also claim that Jesus came to accomplish that plan. So how did he accomplish it? Explain.

It's by inference. Animals have been doing the things we see them do right from the garden. The fact that Adam even sinned should buttress that he was not functioning as he should.

I do not have an explicit proof, but i do have an implicit one. But if you have an explicit proof that animals did not eat themselves in the garden, you can show me.

Truthseeker10:
this is a funny take....you claimed that Adam was to train animals not to eat each other....do you have a proof that animals ate each other in the garden of eden before man sinned?

The plan is what God determined in the beginning, how that humans would be fruitful. Adam derailed that plan, Christ came to lead us back into that plan. We're heading there, and healing. When we get to full health. You'll see it.

Truthseeker10:
Only you said he came to accomplish the plan.....you also say the plan will be accomplish in the new world. What plan did Jesus really accomplish while on earth and how did he accomplish it?

I'm glad you agree that it's mere inference and it's not written. That's very honest of you.

However, you must understand that these theologians can be wrong, and I'm telling you they are.

Gabrielshow24:
Not necessarily so. If any being from heaven were to come down, they will surely ascend likewise. This can be seen in Jacob's dream.

Isaiah has two aspects of it, the immediate and the symbolic. The immediate referenced the king of Babylon while the symbolic,Satan.

Theologians arrived at this through inference. It's not stated directly as many other things in the bible aren't, but through inference it was arrived at.

You can use your discretion on that.

Adam named animals in the garden so use your discretion from then on.

Truthseeker10:
You've consistently avoided this question below. Please answer.

So were animals killing themselves in the garden of eden before adam and eve sinned?

Yes and that thing Christ came to accomplish will not happen in this world. It'll happen in the new heaven and new earth.

Does that make sense to you? He came to accomplish the plan, but this world is already diseased, so that plan will be accomplished in a new world.

Truthseeker10:
Below is your statement even though you claim this is not Jesus's world. You claimed that Jesus came to accomplish what Adam failed to do which is to fill the earth with the knowledge of God so that every creature will know him.

""But, we've seen in Christ that in line with what God is saying, it's reasonable for God to tell man to fill the earth with knowledge of his glory and his will.

This is what Christ came to accomplish since Adam failed. To fill the earth with the knowledge of God so that every creature of God will know him.""

I guess

gohf:
do you need to see that before you answer?

That's correct, he's not.

The idea that Satan is an angel was theologians' way of accounting for what they don't know.

gohf:
lol I literally have a thread asking people where it states that Satan was a choir leader and recently told one of them that the Bible never called Satan an angel

I don't see how that connects to the topic at hand.

gohf:
Jesus the "Adam" of the new world, my question oridavid is he God?

Technically speaking, Noah and his sons had a pair of all animals. If they had understood God's commandment, they'd fill the earth with his righteousness, and perhaps the chaos in the animals kingdom would have ceased.

But Noah, like Eve didn't understand God's commandment to details and so he couldn't correct the error in the world.

But If you have any other interpretation of the text, I'll like to hear it.

Truthseeker10:
So were animals killing themselves in the garden of eden before adam and eve sinned?

Explain Genesis 9:1 below.

New King James Version
So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.

This is not Jesus's world. This is the first Adam's world.

But in the new world where Jesus is the Adam, he'll train animals to behave better and all the chaos and selfishness that we see in the animal kingdom will cease.

I think you should focus on the word "train" and not conflate it with "teach."

Truthseeker10:
So you mean animals were killing one another in the garden of eden?

When Jesus was on earth, did he teach the animals and plants and non living things about God?

Good question again:

They won't necessarily teach them as doctrine but every animals can be trained to follow a path. So Adam and Eve would have trained every animal to behave in a way that won't be repugnant.

Have you seen the animal kingdom? You see the way lion kills the baby of the lioness for his own selfish reason or the way lion kills the antelope? Those things do not reflect righteousness.

Adam and Eve would have trained lion well and they'd not live like that.

In the new heaven and new earth where Christ is Adam, all that will stop. Lions will not feed on other animals anymore. Instead they'll feed on grass Isaiah 65:17-25

Truthseeker10:
So you mean that Adam and Eve were to teach animals and plants and non living things about God?

Good question again my friend. I must say, I like your approach.

Fill the earth depends. For some it means fill the earth with the knowledge of God, ensuring that every creature does what's right.

For other, it means to fill the earth with children.

But, we've seen in Christ that in line with what God is saying, it's reasonable for God to tell man to fill the earth with knowledge of his glory and his will.

This is what Christ came to accomplish since Adam failed. To fill the earth with the knowledge of God so that every creature of God will know him.

Truthseeker10:
New King James Version
Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth

What does it mean to "fill the earth"?

Good day Muslim friend. I thought to bring this here so you too can think about these things.

Over the years, I have met many Muslims who have read the Bible so that encouraged me to bring this discussion here.

According to the bible, Adam and Eve did not procreate until after they sinned. Why was this so? would they have procreated had they not sinned?

To add to this, Jesus revealed that when humans resurrected or put off this body of sin, there won't be marriage anymore and they won't give birth -- those things would have passed with the world of sin.

From this, we can see that marriage and procreation will be said to be something that started when man sinned and will end when the man of sin is destroyed.

So, this makes us wonder in life, will there be sex in heaven? If God is as holy as we believe and he cannot see dirt, why would he allow something as dirty as sex in his kingdom.

In this Youtube video, our brothers took a scriptural dive to explain why childbirth will only exist when sin exists and will cease when sin ceases. kindly watch and share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6W0QRyqyVA

Genesis 1:28
God told Man to bear fruit and increase.

1. To bear fruit mean to beat fruit of righteousness
2. To increase means to increase in wisdom.

If man increase in bear fruit and increases in wisdom, then he'll have power to dominate the world.

If man does not bear fruit and does not increase in wisdom, then, he'll become useless in the world and cannot subdue.

Wisdom and righteousness is power of God, and when man has the power of God, he'll dominate, but outside the power of God, no man will prevail.

This has nothing to do with sexual reproduction, my friend.

You can watch the full video here to get a better understanding of what the speaker is saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6W0QRyqyVA

Truthseeker10:
If that is the case, how was Adam and Eve suppose to accomplish the admonition in Genesis 1:28?

Does that also mean that God wanted Adam and Eve to sin in order to multiply?