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This is off point Max.

But it's OK though. Let's all go in peace. Thanks for your time.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus did condemned slavery among his own disciples!
How?
Now read what Jesus said to his disciples:
However, there also arose a heated dispute among them over which one of them was considered to be the greatest. But he said to them: “The kings of the nations lord it over them, and those having authority over them are called Benefactors. You, though, are not to be that way. But let the one who is the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the one taking the lead as the one ministering. For which one is greater, the one dining or the one serving? Is it not the one dining? But I am among you as the one serving". Luke 22:24-27

Now answer me:
Can someone who has a slave who also has accepted Christ as teacher continue treating his fellow believer as a slave?
Of course it's not going to work!
Because Jesus commanded his disciples to become slaves to one another if they wants to be blessed as his true disciples so if you have a slave who is also a Christian will you serve him by washing his feet just as Jesus did?
Definitely Jesus eradicated slavery among his own disciples if it escapes your notice know that today!

You're sounding like lack of condemnation means it aligns with the will of God.

Did Jesus condemn slavery happening at his time? Would you also say that God wants us to keep other humans as slaves?

Jesus didn't even mention procreation just as he didn't mention slavery because he knew that all of that only exist because of sin and once sin is eradicated, all of that will cease on earth and the intent of God will be on earth.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus didn't marry because he must return to heaven (realm above) where he came from {John 8:23} but when talking about marriage and procreation Jesus never condemned it because he is the Son of Mary who came into existence through procreation. Matthew 1:16

Like I said this is not a worry to me or to Jesus. What matters is that we do the words he spoke. That's why he was sent.

And you too can see that he didn't procreate because the procreation is not from God. If it did, he would have procreated. When we follow Jesus many of us will not even procreate except those who find a woman they are unable to resist.

MaxInDHouse:
You must be a joker.
Someone said he got what he is saying from God who i respected so much and so i obeyed what he said because it's from God how does that translate to serving him?
It's like saying an environmental health personnel told you what the government said for the benefit of all citizens and you acted upon it does that makes him the one you serve or you are obeying due to the source of the information?

“What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him who sent me. If anyone desires to do His will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or I speak of my own originality. Whoever speaks of his own originality is seeking his own glory; but whoever seeks the glory of the one who sent him, this one is true and there is no unrighteousness in him." John 7:16-18

This is what made faithful people follow Jesus because they believe he is speaking the word of God not his own.

Do you get it now?

If you obey someone's command then you serve him. If you thunk jesus is the one who came to save you who couldn't save yourself, then you serve him.

But If you disagree, that's fine. I don't think it matters to Jesus that you say you don't serve him. What matters is that you do what he says.

MaxInDHouse:
For your information i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses we don't serve Jesus rather we are worshipers of the God who sent Jesus to teach us how to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8; Isaiah 2:2-4
That's the purpose Christianity not worshiping Jesus!

That's why I kept saying that fruitfulness and multiplication simply depends on your level of understanding.

If you understand these terms as procreation then you'll think that God was telling them to procreate. However, if you see it as a higher command, you'll see God command as a higher decree, beyond the animal reality.

That will also mean Jesus who you serve wasn't fruitful nor did he multiply.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i don't have time for blind argument if you don't agree with God's word that says Adam and Eve should multiply and fill the earth then i'm through with you.
Go and tell whoever will listen to you not to procreate as all races came into existence.

Thanks for your time!

Unlike all humans Jesus is not from the procreation Adam started so his mission totally differs from ours!

I'm glad you admitted that Adam was the one that started procreation, which is the same thing I had been telling you.

Adam himself wasn't born from procreation neither was Eve born from procreation, but Adam started procreating after he had misaligned himself with God.

If Adam had remained aligned with the purpose of God he wouldn't have started procreating. We would have still come out but it would be through procreation.

Even if Jesus came from above, his purpose was the same as it was for Adam - which is to please God - and that's why God said "this is my son in whom I'm well pleased."

Adam, though a son of God too, didn't please God in that he misaligned himself with God and that pushed him to animal reality, and that reality became the reality of this world. Everyone else started procreating as their purpose. Jesus was telling them that he is not a part of that reality of procreating and his mission is to remove us from that reality of procreating.

When we've been removed from that reality of procreating like animals which Adam has started, we would stop procreating. Procreation is beneath and when we've been removed from the beneath, we'll stop procreating.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus told his listeners:

“You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. You are from this world; I am not from this world." John 8:23

Unlike all humans Jesus is not from the procreation Adam started so his mission totally differs from ours!

It's quite funny that you think Jesus had a different calling from us. He didn't have a different calling. The same calling that Jesus had was the same calling that everyone has and it was the same that Adam had.

Adam and Eve started to have children only after they sinned and if they hadn't sinned, they would be in alignment with God's plan and would not have the need to have children like you said.

Jesus was in alignment with God's plan and that's why he didn't have children. We also pursue child bearing because sin dwells in our flesh and pushes us towards the child-bearing reality.

In the new world where sin is completely eradicated, we'll stop this misalignment of childbearing and live as God had intended from the beginning. God never intended that humans to bear children like animals. We are not animals so we can't be having children. Sin caused child bearing. But all of this is still subject to your understanding. You can only see it up to the level that you understand it.

MaxInDHouse:
This is funny!

Well nobody needs Jesus if Adam didn't sin he is the father not Jesus but the whole thing changed because through Adam we inherited sin {Romans 5:12} that's why we need the sacrifice of a person human to redeem us from Adamic sin.

So Jesus wasn't created to be human that is why bearing children is not his calling.

As regards child bearing Adam and Eve decided to procreate after they heard God declared death sentence on them if any couple knew they can live forever they won't think of bearing any child in the next 1,000 years in fact they will love to continue playing like love birds as long as they can!

I can understand why you are linking fruitfulness and multiplication with child bearing. That's your reality and that's what you've known.

I can imagine that you'll think Christ wasn't fruitful and he didn't multiply because he never had children. That is the natural man's way of thinking.

But the text didn't say that God made Adam to reproduce after his own kind, and that's why Adam didn't reproduce until he sinned.

All this depends on your understanding though. If you understand that fruitfulness is childbearing, there's no way convince you but if you see fruitfulness the way christ saw it, you won't think it's children bearing.

MaxInDHouse:
Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28
This is what God told Adam and Eve after creating them so God wants them to procreate!

Can you mention example of such a human? Or how can you tell if there was anyone if you don't know any of such people?

budaatum:
Humans did not begin to reproduce after they sinned! The humans that God is written to have initially created on day 6 were specifically told to "multiply", which is procreation.

Adam, who was created from mud on the eight day after the God is written to have rested on the seventh, was however not created to procreate, it would seem, or that fact was hidden from his ignorant slavish ass.

Ref:
https://www.nairaland.com/7351620/story-adam-eve-makes-sense#117003826

https://www.nairaland.com/6795272/reeves-pass

Although we are born in a world that has the primary need to procreate, but have we stopped to asked if procreation was the initial plan of God?

Why do we need to ask that? It's quite easy to think that what we know is also God's intent but deeper dive into the text may reveal a different outlook.

God made animals to reproduce after their own kind but he didn't make humans that way so why do we assume that humans needed to reproduce? In fact, humans only started to reproduce after they sinned and have been plunged into a different reality from what God had planned.

Watch as our brothers talk about this and more in this interesting youtube short.
https://youtube.com/shorts/DP9_VYe-hWA?feature=share

This needs to be watched by every Christian on here.

There's been so many beliefs and concepts created around the idea of serpents and in This video, our brother talks about the serpent in Genesis, how it's merely the human intuition and why it was able to deceive Eve.

Quite an interesting discussion, watch, like and share.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBEOCKwtAhs?si=Y5EisDZsaRu3en2z

God does not kill. The very idea that God kills is ridiculous.

In this video, we continue looking at the questions of God's role in death and whether that aligns with the idea of God's righteousness.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQICj72-FI

God Cannot do whatever he likes, God simply does what is right. That often means what he likes because God likes righteousness.

Don't look at it from the human tyrannical eye.

butterfly777:
Let me ask you, do you kill animal? Have you ever killed an animal?

We human beings unconsciously equate ourselves to God. Forgetting that God owns us and can do what he desires with us.

Be humble and fear God. Stop questioning your maker.

This is quite descriptive, but how to we know this js true?

orisa37:
DEUTERONOMY 32:39.
GOD HAS SATAN, LUCIFER AND JESUS IN HIS DIRECTORATE TO JUDGE AND PUNISH SINNERS.
JESUS IS THE CEO OF THE DIRECTORATE.
NO SINNER SHALL GO UNPUNISHED. SATAN WORKING FOR GOD, HAS THE ARMORY AUTHORITY AND RESPONSIBILITIES TO MAIME AND TO KILL ANY HUMAN ADJUDGED A SINNER.
GOD HIMSELF HAS NO REASON TO STAIN HIS HAND WITH THE BLOOD OF HIS CREATURE.

There has been a theological debate whether God kills or not. Some say God kills because he's sovereign while others say God kills out of justice. However, looking at the scripture and especially understanding God through Christ, it becomes inconsistent for God to kill and also have all the attributes reckoned with him.

For example, a God whose mercy endureth forever should have no need to kill a person.

Also, we look at the dynamics of the world, if God call kill, why does he allow evil individuals to run rampage in the world, why don't he kill them out of his divine justice?

Watch as we critically analyze some biblical texts which is believed to support the idea that God kills.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZDnfXQg-A

Although the common beliefs in modern religion and especially Christianity is that israelites crossed the Red Sea but there's linguistic facts to show that they never did but instead Crossed the sea of reeds.

Also, there whole idea of Sinai, Red sea and other monumental biblical facts as seen in the Bible was determined by Emperor Constantine's mother Helena and they were never factually known.

So today, we can't actually tell what body of water the israelites crossed but it can't be the Red Sea as it's impossible to cross even if it were parted.

Watch the video to get more insights


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Ape2D3CQo

Did you know that the falling manner happened in the Angola. How then could they have crossed the Red Sea.

This needs to be seen

OK sir

Gabrielshow24:
Bother someone else with such frivolities.

Logical thinking is how you arrive at biblical truth.

Knowing who Jesus is not what saves us but if that knowledge spurs us to obey his commandment, we'll be saved

If believing that Jesus is the son of God saves a person, demons should make heaven because they believe.

Not everything you see in the Bible is true unless you've critically analyzed them to understand what it's actually saying. Do not be deceived by assuming that everything written in the Bible is true as it's

Oh I see. What part of red sea has that reed?

Gabrielshow24:
👀. I believe the answer to this question is self-contained in my response.

I agree with you opinion. Let's just say the part where you said letter killeth is lacking context.

The letter which Paul said killeth is the 10 commandment and not the history account and utterances of the spirit. Those cannot kill but must be critically analyzed.

sonmvayina:
the messages are true, but the stories are myth.

we are expected to read the story and learn the messages and put them into practice.
the letter killeth

god is the universal consciousnesses ......

Nothing is true unless critically analyzed

That's good, do you also know where they actually crossed?

Gabrielshow24:
We all know it's a translational error. It's reed instead of red🤨. At least, you got something right😅.

This need to be heard by everyone.

the Israelites cannot cross the red sea even if all the water is removed, so the bible cannot say they did. watch the video to see what the Hebrew texts actually say.