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Islam › Re: Is Reproduction Our Purpose Or Sin Caused It? by oridavid(op): 9:46am On Sep 16, 2025

Everything you mentioned is the reality of a sinful man. These are not the reality of a righteous man. And when man goes to Janah and dwell in the reality of God as it was in the beginning, all of these things you mentioned will cease to happen.

Yes, Allah does not reproduce, and since Allah made humans like himself so they're not supposed to reproduce. Remember, some angels came to earth to reproduce, so reproduction is something that happens by choice not by Allah's plan. Allah did not plan for angels to come to earth to reproduce, but they did by choice as man also did by choice.

If angels could come to earth to reproduce, that means anyone can actually reproduce if they want. Allah is God and does not need to.

But, humans chose to reproduce and refused to be like Allah and that's the sin that has become our reality.

When Allah restores us to the place of his reign, reproduction will cease and we'll be as Allah had intended in the beginning.

AntiChristian:
Allah does not make human like himself. Allah is not comparable to any of his creation! And yes, all animals whether complex or not have the ability to reproduce sexually or assexually! Only Allah does not need to have sons/offspring unlike the Christian God who needs someone to come over to the world to help save the people he created!

Once again, i only see ignorance and arrogance!

The Characteristics of living things is explained by the acronym "MR NIGER D" meaning any living thing should be able to:

Move,
Reproduce,
absorb Nutrients,
be Irritable,
Grow,
Excrete,
Respire
and Die.

Some even add Adaptability, homeostasis and Competition!

But Allah is far above being qualified with all these! He does not eat yet He lives! He does not Die as He is the eternal Absolute.

Islam › Re: Is Reproduction Our Purpose Or Sin Caused It? by oridavid(op): 9:36am On Sep 16, 2025

To be fruitful and multiply is in context of how you're made. The text says God made man like himself so fruitfulness and multiplication will be like God.

How does God multiply and bears fruit? It's through right doing. God does the right thing and loves us all and through that, he multiplies his kingdom.

We too must do right and love others, through that, we'll multiply our influence around people.

Animals are only fruitful and multiply through sex because they're animals and don't have capacity to be like God. You're not an animal. Your purpose is to be like God. Emulate him - his love and kindness. Do that with your neighbors.

AntiChristian:
What was that plan of Allah?

Sex was not started with sin. Are you saying the Christian God created the two organs because of Sin?

What's the purpose of "Be fruitful and multiply"? Seems you sabi spill lies!

Christianity Etc › Re: Shocking Revelation: Satan Is Not An Angel by oridavid(op): 8:53am On Sep 16, 2025

Cherubs are not actually angels, it's just religion that make us think Cherubs are angels.

Yes lucifer was formerly a Cherub until he sinned. The term Cherub is a servant or worshiper of God. Humans are servants and worshipers of God. These are well explained in the video

https://youtube.com/shorts/GXjJkX6hxFY?si=bh0IYcZlHcIfYo1n

RealityKings1:
Satan was initially a Cherub. A “guardian cherub.” Cherubs are high ranking angels.
Once an angel is always an angel that's why he's indestructible.

Islam › Re: Is Reproduction Our Purpose Or Sin Caused It? by oridavid(op): 8:50am On Sep 16, 2025

It's not. Sex is something humans started after they went against the plan of Allah.

When we get to Janah, Allah would have cleansed the whole existence of Sin, and everything that started with sin will end with it. So we'll not have sex anymore and won't even give birth anymore.

BewareOf419:
Sorry bro for asking you this, actually it is bothering my mind!

Is x x x with spouse permitted in Janah?

Islam › Re: Is Reproduction Our Purpose Or Sin Caused It? by oridavid(op): 8:47am On Sep 16, 2025

Do you think Allah made you like animals who have sex or like himself who doesn't have sex?

These are not just Christian beliefs, they're are fundamentals of life which touch every religion.

If you're made like animals then reproduction will be your purpose, but if you're made like Allah then your purpose will be to do those things Allah does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzv5KM9Db3c?si=_oAe5KHwSrJIR1eP

AntiChristian:
That's your own Christian belief. Allah's plan was to create man on earth and the means of populating the earth went on as planned.

The first man was created from earth. The first woman from the first man and others came from the unity of their semen! The exception was Jesus who had no father but only mother a direct opposite of how the first woman was created!

And whatever Allah made holy is holy to us and vice versa! Sex with the rightful spouse is permitted on earth! And as such it is permitted in paradise! Wine is forbidden on earth but permitted in paradise. The wine that doesn't intoxicate!

Christianity Etc › What Isaiah 14 Truly Says About Lucifer by oridavid(op): 7:35pm On Sep 15, 2025

For some unknown reasons, the identity of Satan remains a mystery even until today. There's been several theological discussion about this personality and his mode of operation, but like the sun, Nemesis, Satan continues to elude our eyes.

This mysteriousness of this person had made us fill the void with many theories what he is and how he came into existence.

Some say Satan has always been in heaven and that he fell to earth before human was created but these ideas are nor actually in the Bible but people find these theories in other text and try to assimilate it into their thought because of convenience.

So in this video, we'll be looking at what Isaiah, Revelation and Ezekiel say Satan is. How did these three people identify Satan.

Kindly watch on youtube and share with loved ones.
https://youtube.com/shorts/GXjJkX6hxFY?feature=share

Christianity Etc › Shocking Revelation: Satan Is Not An Angel by oridavid(op): 10:15pm On Sep 14, 2025

Although most people will say Satan is an angel, the bible doesn't actually identify him as one, rather the bible explicitly says that Satan masquerades as an angel.

Watch as this is being discussed

https://youtube.com/shorts/a1ZbE0u9vuw?si=xWlzAu_Jd2bqaEWL

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:41pm On Sep 13, 2025

Why do I need to quote a verse when you can check it out yourself in the Bible.

Go and check then come back to this discussion. I'll be here for you

Truthseeker10:
Quote a verse. Or are you teaching us your personal opinion here.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:40pm On Sep 13, 2025

Do you think both verses contradict each other?

Truthseeker10:
Explain Genesis 1:20-23 and Genesis 2:19.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:40pm On Sep 13, 2025

I claim?

So do you believe my claim or not?

Truthseeker10:
You claim he did without a verse.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:39pm On Sep 13, 2025

Do you think both verses contradict each other?

Truthseeker10:
So explain.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:38pm On Sep 13, 2025

Did you say Adam taught Eve the commandment?

I need to be sure of that.

Truthseeker10:
So Adam taught humans righteousness just like Jesus. Fine.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:37pm On Sep 13, 2025

I saw and that's why I'm asking you if you think both verses contradict themselves.

Truthseeker10:
Oh so you did not see where I quoted a part of the bible that says that animals were created on the fifth day, or don't you also have a bible?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:36pm On Sep 13, 2025

I've told you what you need to do for us to make progress. We can't keep going jn circles.

Get a Bible check in the Bible who may have told Eve the commandment. When you find it, then I don't need to try to convince you one something you can check on your own

Truthseeker10:
Quote the verse na. Are you not the one teaching us here with the video that you posted on this thread?

Please where did God tell Adam to teach Eve righteousness? quote the verse.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:34pm On Sep 13, 2025

Did I make a claim? I thought i simply quoted a part of the Bible. Maybe you should read that verse yourself before we continue again.

Can you pls get a Bible?

Truthseeker10:
If you claim that Animals were created after Adam and the bible say that animals were created on the fifth day, on what day was Adam created?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:33pm On Sep 13, 2025

You don't know?

Why don't you take your Bible and maybe discover that. When you find the answer, then we can continue.
I need us to make progress but we won't make that process if you don't know things like that.

Try to check. I'll be here

Truthseeker10:
I don't know. Answer the questions below.

Please where did God tell Adam to teach Eve righteousness? quote the verse.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:30pm On Sep 13, 2025

A teacher needs to carry his student along and questions is a sure way to ensure they're Intune.

Do you think both verse contradict each other?

Truthseeker10:
oga you are the teacher na. Explain.
Animals were created on the fifth day according to the Bible. On what day was Adam created?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:29pm On Sep 13, 2025

But If you disagree, that will be fine by me. I'm not interested in convincing you. I'm only replying you because you asked me.

Truthseeker10:
Oga why are you twisting scripture na?
Genesis 1:21.
21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

So where did you see "Reproduce after their own kind" in the verse above. Please highlight it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:28pm On Sep 13, 2025

OK who taught Eve the commandment?

Truthseeker10:
Please where did God tell Adam to teach Eve righteousness? quote the verse.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:28pm On Sep 13, 2025

Perhaps I'll do that when you answer my question. Do you the both verses contradict each other?

Truthseeker10:
So please explain the fifth day in Genesis 1:20-23 and tell us on what day that Adam was created.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:27pm On Sep 13, 2025

He'll give them a new name, and all of this will be revealed in the new heaven.

In that world lions will eat grass.

Truthseeker10:
Quote the verse.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:25pm On Sep 13, 2025

Do you think it does?

Truthseeker10:
So are you saying that Genesis 2:19 Contradicts Genesis 1:20-23 that claim that Animals were created on the fifth day?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:23pm On Sep 13, 2025

where did God tell Adam to teach Eve righteousness?

It's there, just look within the lines. Look clearly and you'll see it.

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂 Please [b]where did God tell Adam to teach Eve righteousness? quote the verse.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:21pm On Sep 13, 2025

No.
Genesis 2:19 clearly states that animals were brought to Adam in the day they were created.

Do you think that part of the Bible is untrue?

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree that your teaching contradicts Genesis 1:20-23? Yes or no? If no, explain how God started creating animals after he started creating Adam?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:19pm On Sep 13, 2025

Righteousness is God's commandment Psalm 119:172.

God gave Adam righteousness, God didn't give Eve. It was Adam's responsibility to give God's righteousness to Eve and everyone who God created afterwards.

Truthseeker10:
You explain...you are the teacher here.

Kindly show the verse where Adam was told to teach righteousness to humans.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:15pm On Sep 13, 2025

The term "after their own kind" is the link.

That makes all the difference between animals and humans. But when Adam sinned, he started to born after his own likeness Genesis 5:3

That's where we see that to be fruitful after one's own kind of likeness means reproduction.

But If you disagree, that will be fine by me. I'm not interested in convincing you. I'm only replying you because you asked me.

Truthseeker10:
So where does the Bible say that animals should "reproduce after their own kind"? Kindly quote the verse.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:10pm On Sep 13, 2025

Ask yourself what righteousness is first.
I think we should start there.

Truthseeker10:
Kindly show the verse where Adam was told to teach righteousness to humans.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:09pm On Sep 13, 2025

If that's what you think, that's fine with me. I don't intend to convince you.

Truthseeker10:
Oh is it my take now or your teaching is contradictory?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:03pm On Sep 13, 2025

If that's your take, that's totally fine with me. I'm not interested in convincing you.

Truthseeker10:
So the bible contradicts itself in Genesis 1:20-23?

20And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:02pm On Sep 13, 2025

To humans, animals would just be trained or conditioned.

Truthseeker10:
Was Adam told to teach the righteousness of humans or animals according to you?

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 8:01pm On Sep 13, 2025

I can understand why you're laughing. I would too if I was in your shoes.

Can you please get a Bible to see that humans weren't made after their own kind? So, being fruitful for us is not after our own kind but in the kind of God.

Your question should be, how does the God kind bear fruit? Does God have sex? If God does not have sex, humans shouldn't because we're made in that kind.

So sex was a misalignment from the God kind. Even angels who had sex were separated from God the way Adam was separated when he had sex.

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂 So filling the earth for humans Is not to reproduce after their own kind, Can you see your bias in your teaching?

From your explanation ever since, Adam and eve, Noah and Jesus did not fill the earth because while they were on earth, they did not train animals not to eat themselves😂😂

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Marriage And Reproduction Will End When Sin Ends by oridavid(op): 6:46pm On Sep 13, 2025

According to Genesis 2:19 animals were brought before Adam in the day they were created so that he might name them which he did.

Truthseeker10:
So on what did God started creating the animals and on what day did he started creating man according to Genesis chapter 1 since you claim that Adam was created before animals?

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