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Gabrielshow24:
It seems you didn’t actually read what I wrote—you just reiterated your delusion. By your logic, are we to conclude that the two cherubs covering the Lord’s throne were men? 😔👀 The cherub with the flaming sword was also a man? 🤨 And the cherub the Lord rode upon was yet another man? 🤨 Do you see the absurdity here?

Do you even read before presenting such half-baked theories? At the very least, take the whole of Scripture into consideration before speaking!

Nowhere are we given the illusion—or even the slightest hint—that cherubs were men. Your logic collapses because the fact that men were placed in the garden does not mean that, historically, factually, or whatever ’ly’ you want to add, an angel could not also be placed there. In fact, the very passage itself explicitly states that a cherub was placed there. 🤷

So your so-called ’oridavid’s exclusion principle’ is both insufficient and wrong. Need I remind you that the fall of man was localized in the garden? If your principle were valid, how then did the serpent gain entry at all—much less mislead the woman?

Pls, do better than this😮‍💨.

Gabrielshow24:
Well said, but your argument is unconvincing. If you claim Satan was meant to worship God as a man, then why do we still find Satan and his angels in heaven? 🥱 That reveals an inconsistency in your framework.

You also assume that Eden was exclusively for man and that God could not place an angel there. But where is this basis? 🤨 Isn’t this your own eisegesis—the very thing you accuse others of? 🤕

Before dismissing anything as ‘not an angel,’ you must first define what an angel is. From such a definition, we can determine whether cherubim fall within the category of angels or represent something distinct.

Since the term ‘angel’ generally refers to heavenly beings who serve as messengers, it follows that all heavenly beings may theoretically be considered ‘angels,’ insofar as God can send any of them on His errands. To deny this would imply a limitation on God’s omnipotence, which is impossible.

Thus, beginning with the axiom that God is omnipotent, and from the fact that angels are heavenly messengers, we may conclude that ‘angel’ is a generic term. After all, if God could send His own Son, then no member of the heavenly court is beyond being sent by Him. Therefore, all heavenly beings can, at least functionally, be called angels. 🤔

Returning to the main issue: Satan has angels, and Scripture identifies him as a cherub—a class of heavenly beings who serve in God’s work. This strongly suggests that Satan was indeed an angel in function.

That said, the deeper question is whether all cherubim are angels by nature or whether they form a distinct category. Since Scripture offers insufficient detail to settle this, we can only say with certainty that, in the generic sense of role and function, Satan was an angel. Whether cherubim constitute a unique order within the angelic host remains an open question.

AntiChristian:
Allah does not make human like himself. Allah is not comparable to any of his creation! And yes, all animals whether complex or not have the ability to reproduce sexually or assexually! Only Allah does not need to have sons/offspring unlike the Christian God who needs someone to come over to the world to help save the people he created!



Once again, i only see ignorance and arrogance!

The Characteristics of living things is explained by the acronym "MR NIGER D" meaning any living thing should be able to:

Move,
Reproduce,
absorb Nutrients,
be Irritable,
Grow,
Excrete,
Respire
and Die.

Some even add Adaptability, homeostasis and Competition!

But Allah is far above being qualified with all these! He does not eat yet He lives! He does not Die as He is the eternal Absolute.

AntiChristian:
What was that plan of Allah?

Sex was not started with sin. Are you saying the Christian God created the two organs because of Sin?

What's the purpose of "Be fruitful and multiply"? Seems you sabi spill lies!

RealityKings1:
Satan was initially a Cherub. A “guardian cherub.” Cherubs are high ranking angels.
Once an angel is always an angel that's why he's indestructible.

BewareOf419:
Sorry bro for asking you this, actually it is bothering my mind!

Is x x x with spouse permitted in Janah?

AntiChristian:
That's your own Christian belief. Allah's plan was to create man on earth and the means of populating the earth went on as planned.

The first man was created from earth. The first woman from the first man and others came from the unity of their semen! The exception was Jesus who had no father but only mother a direct opposite of how the first woman was created!

And whatever Allah made holy is holy to us and vice versa! Sex with the rightful spouse is permitted on earth! And as such it is permitted in paradise! Wine is forbidden on earth but permitted in paradise. The wine that doesn't intoxicate!

Truthseeker10:
Quote a verse. Or are you teaching us your personal opinion here.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Truthseeker10:
Explain Genesis 1:20-23 and Genesis 2:19.

Truthseeker10:
You claim he did without a verse.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Truthseeker10:
So explain.

Truthseeker10:
So Adam taught humans righteousness just like Jesus. Fine.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Truthseeker10:
Oh so you did not see where I quoted a part of the bible that says that animals were created on the fifth day, or don't you also have a bible?

Truthseeker10:
Quote the verse na. Are you not the one teaching us here with the video that you posted on this thread?

Please where did God tell Adam to teach Eve righteousness? quote the verse.


Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Truthseeker10:
If you claim that Animals were created after Adam and the bible say that animals were created on the fifth day, on what day was Adam created?

Truthseeker10:
I don't know. Answer the questions below.

Please where did God tell Adam to teach Eve righteousness? quote the verse.


Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Truthseeker10:
oga you are the teacher na. Explain.
Animals were created on the fifth day according to the Bible. On what day was Adam created?

Truthseeker10:
Oga why are you twisting scripture na?
Genesis 1:21.
21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

So where did you see "Reproduce after their own kind" in the verse above. Please highlight it.

Truthseeker10:
Please where did God tell Adam to teach Eve righteousness? quote the verse.


Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Truthseeker10:
So please explain the fifth day in Genesis 1:20-23 and tell us on what day that Adam was created.

Truthseeker10:
Quote the verse.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Truthseeker10:
So are you saying that Genesis 2:19 Contradicts Genesis 1:20-23 that claim that Animals were created on the fifth day?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂 Please [b]where did God tell Adam to teach Eve righteousness? quote the verse.


Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree that your teaching contradicts Genesis 1:20-23? Yes or no? If no, explain how God started creating animals after he started creating Adam?

Truthseeker10:
You explain...you are the teacher here.

Kindly show the verse where Adam was told to teach righteousness to humans.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Truthseeker10:
So where does the Bible say that animals should "reproduce after their own kind"? Kindly quote the verse.

Truthseeker10:
Kindly show the verse where Adam was told to teach righteousness to humans.

Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.

Truthseeker10:
Oh is it my take now or your teaching is contradictory?

Truthseeker10:
So the bible contradicts itself in Genesis 1:20-23?

20And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

Truthseeker10:
Was Adam told to teach the righteousness of humans or animals according to you?


Did you not claim here that Jesus accomplished what Adam derailed from which is to train animals not to eat each other? So how did he do so while on earth? Explain.