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Itzlinda:So are you saying they’ll sell at a loss? There’s no way that’s going to happen. Almost every product you buy today has increased in price — most have doubled or even tripled. Or are you still buying at the old prices? Let me tell you how I think these things usually play out. What happens is that the turnover in item quantities drops. The middleman also starts buying less from the manufacturer, and that forces the manufacturer to come up with innovative ways to cut costs. Have you noticed that many items are now smaller? Most of them now come in smaller pack varieties. For example, I use the Nivea roll-on — did you know they now have a smaller size too? I think it’s about half the standard size. |
starpower:This sounds like a hasty generalization. I’ve already made it clear that inflation affects both the buy and sell sides. Unless the business owner doesn’t understand their business and is just cruising, a seasoned entrepreneur should know how to adapt. For a well-run operation, a ₦100 million turnover should not yield anything less than ₦10 million in profit. I believe we have real business people here on this forum — let them speak, because honestly, I don't think you know what you're talking about. |
starpower:Less than ₦3.5 million on ₦100 million in revenue is just 3.5% — I seriously doubt that. Maybe on ₦800 million, but not ₦100 million. Normally, the lower the revenue, the higher the net profit margin, because operations are less complex. Also, remember that inflation doesn't only affect costs — it also increases returns. Businesses typically find ways to pass on some, and in many cases all, of that inflation to customers. After all, nearly every product in the market has gone up in price. |
starpower:Lol, that’s exactly why people like Loco need marketing — to build liquidity so they can eventually pull out. Don’t get me wrong, he can spot value, no doubt. But spotting value alone isn’t enough to exit safely without eroding your gains. You need marketing to attract interest and build up liquidity — especially in the penny stocks you rightly pointed out. |
ppogba:I never said 20% — not even once. Show me where I said that. If StatiSense has the data to back it up, then I don't think I would argue with it. |
ppogba:Lol, at some point — and maybe even today — I suspect some Fulani herdsmen have over ₦200 million in assets. A single big cow was going for over ₦1 million at one point — I know this because I actually priced it myself. So, a Fulani man with over 100 cows could very well be part of the ₦200 million club. ![]() |
bovali:This is not what I’m saying. My point is that the statistic claiming only 5% of Nigerians hold more than ₦500,000 is not a strong argument for proving that less than 1% of Nigerians have ₦200 million. There are millionaires who keep their money outside the banking system. Also, what’s the basis of the study? Was this 5% of account holders measured at a single point in time — as in a cross-sectional measurement? If so, what if that moment was unusual? Or were the account holders tracked over time — as in a longitudinal measurement? And if so, over what time interval? No mind me ooo, I get time today. ![]() |
bovali:Just because I have ₦500,000 in the bank doesn’t mean that’s all the resources I have. I’m sure that if you had ₦200 million, you wouldn’t keep it all in the bank either — you’d invest most of it and maybe leave around ₦300,000 for day-to-day expenses. ![]() You're looking at the wrong data — lol. Let me illustrate with a famous story from World War II: During the war, military analysts wanted to know where to add extra armor to their bomber planes to make them more resilient. They studied all the planes that returned from missions and mapped out where they had bullet holes. They saw that the wings, fuselage, and tail often had many hits. Their first thought was, 'Let's reinforce these areas; they're clearly getting hit the most.' But a brilliant statistician named Abraham Wald pointed out the flaw: They were only looking at the survivors – the planes that made it back. What about the planes that didn't return? He argued that the areas without bullet holes on the surviving planes (like the engines and cockpit) were actually the most vulnerable. If those critical areas were hit, the plane likely crashed and never came back to be counted. So, they reinforced the areas that appeared untouched on the survivors, and it significantly improved plane survivability. ![]() |
starpower:How many people in Nigeria actually buy or build houses using debt? We're talking about Nigeria, not the UK or USA. Last time I checked, you can even use your house as collateral for a loan. Let’s not paint liquid assets as risk-free — your stocks can lose value. Just ask those who bought large quantities of Nigerian Breweries shares when it was around ₦200. Many had to either sell at a huge loss or hold on indefinitely, hoping it rebounds — whenever that may be. Even holding naira is risky. On the flip side, some people who bought land for ₦100k or ₦500k now find it's worth ₦20 million. In my opinion, the best approach is to hold a balanced portfolio, because all asset classes carry both risks and benefits. |
I checked, and they’re two different things: Net worth includes everything — cash, land, buildings, cars, and so on. High Net Worth Individual (HNWI) status, as used in finance, focuses specifically on investable financial assets — not just cash, but also stocks, bonds, and similar instruments. So? ![]() |
vacanci:Everything you just typed is irrelevant — the definition of net worth is universal. I didn’t invent the term; feel free to look it up yourself. If Dangote were to tie up all his cash and equivalents in land and cars, would that suddenly make you wealthier than Dangote? |
opadiya:What standards, my friend? Please name them — I’d like to check for myself. ![]() |
emmanuelewumi: opadiya:I beg to differ. I try to avoid lengthy arguments these days, but I can't just accept misinformation. Even listed companies on the NGX — when you look at their balance sheets — report assets as everything they own that contributes to generating value, not just cash and cash equivalents. Even Forbes, when assessing individual wealth, includes mansions and cars along with stocks and cash. So I don’t understand why your definition is different. Do we need to consult the Oxford Advanced Learner’s Dictionary? |
emmanuelewumi:It’s actually ironic that the same devaluation has made that 1% estimate inaccurate. ₦200 million in cash may be rare, but if we’re talking about net worth, then I believe it exceeds that 1% threshold for more people than assumed. By net worth, I mean the total value of assets — including land, vehicles, buildings (all valued according to current market realities), and then cash. Let me give a simple example: in my village — I don’t know about yours — a plot of land goes for no less than ₦10 million. In urban areas, it’s likely much higher. The cost of an average building now starts from around ₦40 to ₦50 million — and that’s without factoring in many other details. Do you know the current price of a standard iron door? An SUV now costs about ₦12 to ₦15 million for a relatively affordable one. Some people own two cars, a house in the village, and another in town. My point is: ₦200 million sounds like a huge amount, but in today’s reality, it really isn’t. For someone just starting out and aiming to acquire these basic assets, you could easily spend close to that figure. That said, I do agree — pulling out that amount in cash is still extremely difficult, and only a few people can manage it. |
Mankind2024:If third-party auditors — certified and licensed by the government and recognized by the current NGX — can’t be trusted, then we’re facing a problem that goes far beyond EllahLakes. How, then, can we trust the auditors of companies with even greater resources? That would be chaos. Are you implying that we should start selecting firms based on who their auditors are? If so, kindly share your list of trusted auditors. ![]() |
HesInMe:Let’s follow your provided evidence logically. The bolded part is unsubstantiated. When you said “downsizing of the oil mill after promising the world,” what exactly do you mean? What size was promised? It’s a fact that they currently own far more than 5,000 hectares of land — and that’s the only metric in your attachment that has an actual date. Do you even understand what “operational guidance” means, or are you just throwing the term around? You confused me the first time. It refers to operating under standard farming practices. That’s why I was surprised by your conclusion. Are you a quality assurance official who visited their farms to assess compliance with operational standards? Or did you simply mean they didn’t meet their projections? Those are not the same thing. Also, their latest audited financials for 2024 clearly include this information — the oil mill, how much it cost, their land bank, current valuation, and locations. In fact, my friend, you seem to be just throwing jabs into the wind. You have nothing concrete against EllahLakes. Personally, I prefer to go through all verified details — for example, third-party audited financials — before launching criticisms. |
HesInMe:Please make a clear case. What exactly do you mean by "almost never met any guidance on farm operations"? At the very least, provide concrete facts if you truly want to change our perspective. |
EDUECO:It’s perfectly fine if your goal is to invest for 10 years—there’s nothing wrong with that. The problem lies in thinking that just because you choose to do things one way, that automatically makes it the only valid approach. The world is much bigger than whatever experience you believe you’ve accumulated. Not everyone aims to hold for a decade. Some are comfortable with capital appreciation while actively managing risk. Others, like us, identify stocks with potential—just like we did when Ellah Lakes was below ₦3—set a target exit, and if our calculations are correct, we hit our goal. Must everyone be your kind of investor? Must we all see the world in black and white? Think deeply about these questions. |
EDUECO:So you agree they all carry risk. Now let’s look at the other side of the equation: returns. Ellah Lakes has much higher expected returns than the bank you mentioned—if you make an objective analysis. The real question is: does the return justify the risk? You can’t answer that for others, because your projections are different from mine. We saw high potential based on genuine analysis—of course, with risk—but it was worth taking. So far, it’s paying off: the stock that once sold for ₦3 now goes for ₦8. Is it worth buying now at the current price? That depends. Due diligence is essential, and the risk may be higher now than when it was ₦3. But, if an investor can justify the decision with thorough, in-depth analysis and proper risk management, then why not? And we mitigated risk through diversification; I still hold some of those bank stocks. What I’m teaching you here—you won’t get it anywhere else for free. ![]() |
EDUECO:What if you fall off your chair? What if a pigeon shits on your head tomorrow morning? There are too many ‘what ifs’—all of them possible. Someone could leave their house and get hit by a car. They're all ‘what ifs.’ Does that mean you’ll never step outside again? Risk is universal—even your dividend-paying stocks carry risk. The key is knowing how to manage it. If you don’t know how, ask me nicely, and I’ll school you on risk management. |
EDUECO:It's actually very simple — I don't understand why you find this concept difficult. At one point, a tricycle (keke) cost less than ₦500,000. A smart investor — let's call him Mr. A (or maybe just a sharp gambler) — could have connected the dots and concluded that this vehicle would outperform, based on what he observed from the motorcycle transport business. If he had disposable income, he might have invested heavily in purchasing these tricycles, even while people like you were waiting for "hard facts" to emerge. By the time those facts became available, Mr. A would already own multiple units. If his calculations were correct, he'd make a fortune — which might be exactly what we're witnessing now, with the price of a single keke nearing ₦4 million and its growing effectiveness as a means of transportation. If you still don't get it, that's okay. Stick to what you understand — and let the rest of us play the game. ![]() |
Evaluating Each Strategy: 1. Be a Sole Proprietor; Register Your Business: Effectiveness: Partially effective. Registering a business is standard. Sole proprietorships are taxed under Personal Income Tax (PIT), which can have different rates than Company Income Tax (CIT). The main point is that business profits are still the individual's income for tax purposes. 2. Borrow to Invest; Use Your Portfolio as Collateral: Effectiveness: Works for the borrowed amount. You don't pay tax on the principal of a loan. Interest expenses on loans for business purposes can be tax-deductible. However, any income you generate from the investment made with the borrowed funds will be taxable. This strategy helps with the initial capital, but not the eventual profits. 3. Use Your Business to Cover Family's Day-to-Day Expenses & "Business Retreats": Risk: Extremely High. This is a common red flag for FIRS. While legitimate business expenses (like actual travel for work or professional training) are deductible, claiming personal family expenses or extravagant "retreats" without clear, verifiable business purpose is very risky. Tax Rule: Expenses must be "wholly, exclusively, necessarily, and reasonably incurred" for the business. Personal expenses typically don't meet this test. FIRS can disallow these deductions, leading to higher tax bills, penalties, and interest. Comparing it to how politicians' expenses are covered is not a valid legal argument for businesses. 4. Furnish Your Home & Office with Business Funds as a Director: Risk: High. Similar to point 3, while office furnishings are business expenses, claiming personal home furnishings or excessive items without clear business justification is an aggressive move. FIRS will scrutinize the primary purpose of such acquisitions. 5. Offshore Accounts (e.g., Isle of Jersey) or Citizenship by Investment: Risk: Complex and Under High Scrutiny. Offshore Accounts: Owning offshore accounts isn't illegal, but Nigerian residents are taxed on their worldwide income. Income earned offshore must be declared to FIRS. Failing to declare it is tax evasion with severe penalties. Global efforts like the Common Reporting Standard (CRS) make it increasingly difficult to hide offshore assets and income. Citizenship by Investment: Gaining a second citizenship offers benefits like easier travel. However, if its primary aim is to avoid Nigerian tax obligations on income tied to Nigeria, it could be seen as an aggressive avoidance scheme or even evasion if tax laws are broken. Nigeria has rules on tax residency, and a second passport doesn't automatically exempt you from Nigerian taxes if you are considered a resident. The mention of Panama highlights the intense global scrutiny on such arrangements. 6. Employ Family Members for "Non-Taxable Minimum Wage": Risk: Potentially High Abuse. Employing family members in a legitimate business is fine, but the payments must be for actual work done and at market rates. If the "employment" is fake, or wages are disproportionate to work, FIRS can disallow deductions. While minimum wage earners may be exempt from PAYE (Personal Income Tax) if their total annual income is below a certain threshold (e.g., NGN 70,000/month), the business still needs to justify the expense as legitimate for its operations. 7. Hire a Company Accountant or Bookkeeper: Effectiveness: ESSENTIAL. This is the only truly sound advice. Accurate and detailed record-keeping by a professional is crucial for defending any deductions and ensuring compliance. Without it, none of the other strategies can be substantiated. 8. Designate a Room in Your House as Your Business Address; Transfer All Domestic Bills to Business: Effectiveness: Partially works (with strict limits) / High Risk of Abuse. Home Office Deduction: Nigerian tax law allows for a portion of home expenses (like rent, utilities) to be deducted if a part of your home is genuinely and exclusively used as a business office. This is usually pro-rated (e.g., based on the percentage of space used). "Transferring all domestic expenditures": This is where it gets problematic. Claiming all electricity, fuel for generators (which power the whole house), etc., without clear separation or pro-ration for actual business use, is an aggressive overclaim and likely illegal. FIRS will disallow the personal portion. 9. Directors Earn Zero Salary; Only "Non-Taxable Allowances" & Aim for Refunds: Risk: Problematic and Misleading. "Zero Salary, Non-Taxable Allowances": While some legitimate expense reimbursements are non-taxable, disguising significant payments as "non-taxable allowances" to avoid income tax is a common form of tax manipulation and will likely be challenged as an attempt to hide taxable income. Director's fees are generally taxable. Refunds from Losses: You only pay tax on profit. If a business genuinely incurs more allowable expenses than income, it reports a loss, and no tax is due. However, if these "losses" are created artificially by claiming personal expenses as business deductions, FIRS will re-assess, disallow the improper deductions, and then tax, along with penalties, will be due. Aiming for consistent annual refunds in such a scenario would trigger deep audits. 10. Year 1: Capital Loss; Year 2: VAT Refunds... "Undertaker Buried": Risk: Aggressive and Misleading. Capital Loss: Businesses can genuinely incur capital losses. However, engineering a "capital loss" for tax purposes without a genuine economic reason (or by misclassifying expenses) is a red flag. VAT Refunds: Businesses can claim back input VAT (paid on purchases) if it exceeds output VAT (charged on sales). This is a standard process if a business is genuinely VAT registered and has legitimate transactions. However, presenting this as a general strategy to "bury" the tax system suggests pushing the boundaries beyond legitimate VAT mechanisms. |
Agbalowomeri:Copying and pasting without understanding is harmful — not just the act of borrowing, but also the mindset behind it. He should make sure to successfully test everything himself before showing off. Otherwise, he may end up like those who were badmouthing EllahLakes based on a single viewpoint. And yet, here we are — the stock keeps rising. Sooner or later, their mouths will go quiet, whether they come from the streets or not. ![]() |
Omooloriredade:My recent realization is that nobody truly knows anything for sure — it’s all speculation. Anyone can make a case for or against a stock, but that doesn't change the facts, or the lack thereof. All stocks are inherently risky. Every single one. The sources of risk may differ, and even the price at which a stock is bought introduces risk. Almost everyone claims they're helping out newbies, even when they're no different themselves. So I suggest not bothering to fiercely defend or attack a stock — it's rarely worth the stress, unless you genuinely enjoy going back and forth in arguments. Whatever is going to happen tomorrow — especially things beyond our control — will happen regardless. Arguing all day won’t change that. The most important thing is to always manage and mitigate risk as much as possible. ![]() |
yMcy56:LOL, be like say this guy senior YoungBuffet. |
Omooloriredade:You’ve said this before—you were right then, and you’re right now. Most people think there’s only one way to play the market: if it’s not their way, then it must be wrong. A relatively new venture cannot be valued the same way as an established business. Whatever EllahLakes is doing now, the signs were clear for a while now—it was always a gamble worth taking. |
yMcy56:Overall Outlook: The Group's performance indicates a strategic effort towards financial recovery and growth, evidenced by improved overall profitability and asset base. But, the underlying operational challenges, particularly the operating losses and negative cash flow from operations, suggest that the profitability is currently being significantly influenced by non-operating factors or financing activities. For long-term sustainable growth, improving the core operational efficiency and generating consistent positive cash flow from operations will be crucial. |
wanaj0:In all the contract types, none of the companies own the oil or gas. The proceeds are shared, with Nigeria taking the lion’s share, while the company receives a portion as compensation for the risks and costs incurred. If I’m not mistaken, the Joint Venture (JV) arrangement is the closest to actual ownership, where companies can receive up to 45% of the production—after deducting costs, taxes, and royalties, which still go to the government. |
GeneralDae:This also applies to Oando, as I often see people quoting the quantity of crude in acquired wells. The truth is, none of these companies actually own the crude oil or gas in the ground. What they own are the rights to extract these resources—not the resources themselves. |
Mpeace:Crude oil belongs to Nigeria (unlike other businesses where there is a cost of goods), and it remains a major source of national revenue—even though Seplat does a good job of extracting and selling it. |
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. No counter data or anything, Just vibes. How would i have amassed the 200m in the first place?

