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KarlTom:Why did Agip agree to sell for just $783 million, not even reaching a billion, if the asset promises substantial returns? Were they under some juju when they signed it away to Oando? Also, it's more cheaper to build a new refinery rather than purchasing those existing ones, same with that Ajaokuta steel. You'll end up sinking a significant amount of money just to bring them up to functionality and modern standards. Take your time and conduct thorough research. |
megawealth01:OK, let me do something better for you. Oando bought Agip for $783 million, and their current market cap is $630 million. Let's work backwards: ₦94 per share. ![]() |
perfectgen:Have you appraised the level of damage and rehabilitation needed, or are you only seeing the share price of Oando? Oando's outstanding shares are 12,431,412,481. At ₦70 per share, it's worth ₦870,198,873,670, which is just $580,132,582 (rate $1,500). How much did Dangote use to build a new refinery? And what percentage of that do you think will be needed to rehabilitate these ones that have been left fallow for more than 30 years? |
perfectgen:They could do that, but they haven't done it yet. And why didn't they do that for the Agip acquisition? Will Mr. Tanimu Yakubu and the two other entities that own over 73% of Oando agree to that? |
Willie2015:Oando is already heavily indebted. For the purchase of Agip, they only placed about 10% or less in equity; the rest is debt. Even if they get the refineries for free, they will still have to spend millions of dollars they currently don't have. It's better not to commit to too many things. They should pay off the humongous debts first before pursuing other money sinks. In my opinion, it will not be a good idea. There is only so much that family ties can do before others start protesting. |
Willie2015:Have you been to the refineries? Those refineries are massive liabilities. It will cost quite a lot to put them back in order, except if they want to use them for scrap. I've been to Eleme refinery, but don't take my word for it. Just do some research on restarting a refinery that has been left for more than 20 years. Anything is possible in Nigeria; they might sell it at a ridiculous price or just give it away to their relations. |
I think about this thought pattern where everything is open to be taken; if you don't take it, someone else will at some point. But there is a caveat: rules must be followed, and these are socially accepted rules. At the same time, these rules are not all-encompassing, which gives rise to opportunities to circumvent them. There is also a fine line between cleverly circumventing rules and committing crimes. Crime is mostly taking advantage of others, while cleverly circumventing rules is taking advantage of the system. |
Alagbalaowo:🤣🤣🤣😂 |
Streetinvestor2:Hahaha !!! |
Are the Oando listings on JSE Depositary Receipts or actual shares. ![]() Depositary Receipts: These are negotiable financial instruments issued by a bank to represent a foreign company's publicly traded securities. The depositary bank holds the underlying shares in custody in the company's home country. Ownership Structure: The actual shares are held by the depositary bank in the company's home country. The receipts traded on foreign exchanges represent ownership of these underlying shares. Trading Implications: In this scenario, you're not directly trading the original shares, but rather the receipts that represent ownership of those shares. This structure has several implications: a) Conversion: Many depositary receipt programs allow for conversion between the receipts and the underlying shares, though this process may involve fees and take some time. b) Price Differences: While the prices of the receipts and the underlying shares should theoretically be equivalent (adjusting for exchange rates), discrepancies can occur due to different trading hours, liquidity levels, and local market conditions. c) Corporate Actions: Holders of depositary receipts generally have the same rights as direct shareholders, including dividends and voting rights, though the process might be slightly different. d) Regulatory Considerations: The depositary receipt structure helps companies comply with different countries' regulatory requirements, making it easier for foreign investors to trade. Arbitrage Potential: While arbitrage is still possible in this scenario, it's more complex: You'd be trading different instruments (receipts vs. actual shares) rather than the same shares on different exchanges. The conversion process between receipts and underlying shares can take time and incur costs, potentially reducing arbitrage opportunities. Risks and Considerations: Currency Risk: As you're dealing with instruments potentially priced in different currencies. Political Risk: Changes in regulations or political situations in either country could affect the depositary receipt program. Liquidity Risk: Sometimes, depositary receipts might be less liquid than the underlying shares. Professional Execution: This type of arbitrage is typically executed by institutional investors or specialized arbitrage firms due to its complexity and the need for quick execution and advanced trading systems. Copied |
megawealth01:hahahaha!!! Na wahala I just find o. |
KarlTom: ositadima1: KarlTom:I told you NB has big issues. You replied to me like so. Even that MTN that you are seeing is in trouble. I pointed it out then, but MCY56 talked me down. The next day, it did 10%, confirming her. So, I shut my mouth. Where is MTN now? Do you think it's easy to sustain such losses and dismiss them so easily? Some of these companies will probably disclose even more losses when the 2024 results are out. Watch out for Dangote Sugar. Meanwhile, some very resilient companies are being overlooked. CAP, which is in paint and owns Caplux paint, has a debt-to-equity ratio of less than 10%. I think two years ago, the debt was just 1%. And the equity has grown annually by an average of over 25% since 2019. All this forex turmoil didn't affect them; they sailed through smoothly. |
I believe there's an error in your statement. Brokers are not responsible for matching bid and ask orders. The broker's role is primarily to provide access to the trading platform. The actual matching of orders is performed by the CSCS or the NGX, unless it's a cross deal. While forex brokers do matching orders internally or even trading against their clients, stock brokers generally don't operate in the same manner. Their function is more focused on facilitating trades rather than participating order matching. Please, Mcy56 could provide further clarification on this matter. |
MARKETJJC:Is that no. 2 correct? |
MARKETJJC:They see me rollin' They hatin' Patrollin' and tryna catch me ridin' dirty Tryna catch me ridin' dirty Tryna catch me ridin' dirty Tryna catch me ridin' dirty Tryna catch me ridin' dirty My music's so loud I'm swangin' They hopin' that they gon' catch me ridin' dirty Tryna catch me ridin' dirty Tryna catch me ridin' dirty Tryna catch me ridin' dirty Tryna catch me ridin' dirty I hope say you dey play this song "Ridin" by Chamillionaire, while you dey switch lanes (stocks) like keke driver. Na joke ooo. |
Streetinvestor2: |
Locotrader:Na u go cast am, LOL |
Locotrader:You no add Royalex? |
yMcy56:I didn't know there were schools that only hold classes in the evenings. I hope it didn't strain your eyes—studying with rechargeable lamps or candles isn't good at all. |
yMcy56:Why cant it be She? |
Streetinvestor2:Hahahaha !!! |
ojesymsym:The key is to spend quality time with them from a young age. Take them out for activities, involve them in small tasks around the house, and play board games (like chess or Whot, etc..). While you're together, start small discussions—ask them questions, seek their suggestions on how to handle simple situations. During these conversations, you can gently introduce concepts about life and how things work for adults. Just my two cents. |
Agbalowomeri:Na watin I be wan talk but catarrh and cough choke my throat. |
ositadima1: Eh don dey happen. I hope u collect my palliative. ![]() |
Locotrader:Caverton, Nko? |
BullBearMkt:I don't do emotions anymore, nor do claim I must be right. I observe and form my opinion; that's all. |
MARKETJJC:And you're a trader, not an FA guy? |
Streetinvestor2:Very doable. Transcorp and Oando alone could have achieved that so far, but you'd have to be super lucky. |
ositadima1:I'm older than this thread by two whole years. Wow. Many of the people I used to know here no longer visit NL. I've been here a long time! |
MARKETJJC:Weren't you the ones insulting him for speaking his mind? Now he's challenging you all to a duel by disclosure. |
ojesymsym:I have kept one moniker since February 2010. I don't need multiple accounts. I know a lot of people here who have multiple accounts, including OGG. I don't play like that. |
Streetinvestor2:This is funny. The people who make the loudest noise don't even have anything tangible in the stock; their only goal is to stifle other members' opinions in the thread. If you are such a fan of Oando, show us your investment so we can see. Streetinvestor wants to show you his bet (make una compare notes nah). If you can't do that, then let's respect each other and others' opinions. |
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