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EventsRe: Afro-chinese Marriages Boom In Guangzhou by osystein(op): 2:33am On Jul 26, 2014
Decibel: Pishure or Idonbirit angry
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Jennifer Tsang and Eman Okonkwo at their
wedding in Guangzhou in April. Photo: Jenni
Marsh
EventsAfro-chinese Marriages Boom In Guangzhou by osystein(op):
Eman Okonkwo’s foot-tapping at
the altar is not a sign of nerves.
The groom’s palms aren’t sweaty,
there are no pre-wedding jitters
and certainly no second thoughts.
Today he is realising a dream
imagined by countless African
merchants in Guangzhou: he is
marrying a Chinese bride.
Seven days earlier, Jennifer
Tsang’s family was oblivious to
their daughter’s romance. Like
many local women dating African
men, the curvaceous trader from
Foshan, who is in her late 20s–that
dreaded “leftover woman” age–
had feared her parents would be
racially prejudiced.
Today, though–having tentatively
given their blessing–they snuck
into the underground Royal
Victory Church, in Guangzhou,
looking over their shoulders for
police as they entered the
downtown tower block. Non-state-
sanctioned religious events like
this are illegal on the mainland.
Okonkwo, 42, doesn’t have a
single relative at the rambunctious
Pentecostal ceremony, but is
nevertheless delighted.
“Today is so special,” beams the
Nigerian, “because I have married
a Chinese girl. And that makes me
half-African, half-Chinese.”
In Guangzhou, weddings like this
take place every day. There are no
official figures on Afro-Chinese
marriages but visit any trading
warehouse in the city and you will
see scores of mixed-race couples
running wholesale shops, their
coffee-coloured, hair-braided
children racing through the
corridors.
While Okonkwo’s dream of
becoming Chinese through
matrimony is futile–the
Guangzhou Public Security Bureau
(PSB) denies African husbands any
more rights than a tourist–his
children, should he have any and
they be registered under Tsang’s
name, will possess a hukou
residency permit and full Chinese
citizenship.
The relationship with Africa that
China has so aggressively courted
for economic gain–2012 saw a
record US$198 billion of trade
between the pair–is producing an
unexpected return: the
mainland’s first mixed-race
generation with blood from a
distant continent and the right to
be Chinese.
“CHOCOLATE CITY” OR “Little
Africa”, as it has been dubbed by
the Chinese press, is a district of
Guangzhou that is home to
between 20,000 and 200,000,
mostly male, African migrants
(calculations vary wildly due to
the itinerant nature of many
traders and the thousands who
overstay their visas).
Africans began pouring into China
after the collapse of the Asian
Tigers in 1997 prompted them to
abandon outposts in Thailand and
Indonesia. By exporting cheap
Chinese goods back home, traders
made a killing, and word spread
fast. Guangzhou became a
promised land.
It is easy to believe that every
African nation is represented
here, with the Nigerian, Malian
and Guinean communities the
most populous. But Little Africa is
a misnomer; in the bustling 7km
stretch from Sanyuanli to Baiyun,
in northern Guangzhou, myriad
ethnicities co-exist.
Uygurs serve freshly baked
Xinjiang bread to Angolan women
balancing shopping on their heads
while Somalis in flowing Muslim
robes haggle over mobile phones
before exchanging currency with
Malians in leather jackets, who
buy lunch from Turks sizzling
tilapia on street grills, and then
order beer from the Korean
waitress in the Africa Bar. Tucked
away above a shop-lined trading
corridor, the bar serves food that
reminds Africans of home–egusi
soup, jollof rice, fried chicken.
Whereas Chungking Mansions
conceals Hong Kong’s low-end
trading community, in dilapidated
Dengfeng village–Little Africa’s
central thoroughfare–the
merchants, supplied by Chinese
wholesalers, are highly visible.
And it’s in this melee of trade
where most Afro-Chinese
romances blossom.
Amadou Issa came to China in
2004. We meet in Lounge Coffee,
a hangout popular with African
men who like a cigarette with
their croissant, while a Celine
Dion CD plays in the background.
Through the nicotine haze, the 34-
year-old from Niger–rated by the
United Nations as one of the
world’s least developed nations–
tells me he arrived at Baiyun
International Airport with US
$300, simply wanting “to
survive”.
Today, he owns a five million
yuan (HK$6.3 million) flat in
Zhujiang New Town, Guangzhou’s
smartest district, drives a car
worth US$64,000 and speaks
Putonghua. Issa ships 50 to 200
containers home per year–full of
construction materials, because
“they’re the most lucrative”–and
makes an average US$2,000 on
each container.
A friend, Yusuf Sampto–a trader
with three shops in West Africa’s
Burkina Faso–pulls up a chair.
They excitably describe stuffing
suitcases with “literally millions”
of US dollars to move their profits
back to China once the goods have
sold (they declare the cash at
customs, they say). African banks
can’t be trusted, they explain, and
it’s impossible for a migrant to
open a current account in the
mainland.
Like most of Guangzhou’s
successful traders, Issa has a
Chinese wife.
“She used to work for a company I
ordered from, and we became
friends,” he says. “We had a
Chinese wedding and a Muslim
wedding. Her name was Xie
Miemie but I renamed her Zena.”
Zena is from Hainan Island and
Issa was the first African man her
family had ever seen.
“Initially, they were unsure about
me, but now, when I’m not there,
they ask my wife, ‘Where is your
import husband?’” Issa chuckles.
Youssou Ousagna also gets along
well with his in-laws. The retired
footballer moved from Senegal to
Sichuan province in 2005, having
been scouted by Chengdu
Tiancheng FC. In 2007, after an
injury had ended his playing
career, Ousagna moved to
Guangzhou, where he met his
Hangzhou-born wife–she worked
at the pharmacy from which he
picked up medicine for ongoing
football injuries.
Her parents are both doctors, her
sister is a surgeon and her brother
a policeman in Guangzhou. This
middle-class family have
welcomed their Muslim son-in-
law.
“With most Chinese,
communication is the problem,”
Ousagna says. “I speak Mandarin,
so we understood each other. No
problem.”
Outside Little Africa, however,
racism remains deep-seated, says
Gordon Mathews, a professor of
anthropology at the Chinese
University of Hong Kong who is
researching low-end globalisation
in Guangzhou.
“I know three or four
relationships where the couple
had expected it to lead to
marriage, but as soon as the
Chinese family met the African
boyfriend, they had to end it,” he
says. “Marrying a black person is
still marrying down in China.”
Racial prejudice on the mainland
hit the headlines in 2009, when
Lou Jing, an Afro-Chinese singer,
then 20, appeared on an American
Idol imitation television show,
sparking controversy and drawing
racial slurs online. “How can a
mixed-race contestant become a
Chinese idol?” bloggers
demanded.
Chinese prejudice against Africans
is normally based on three
aspects: traditional aesthetic
values, an ignorance of African
culture and society, and the
language barrier.
Furthermore, until the 1970s,
foreigners were not permitted to
live in the mainland, let alone
marry a Chinese. When a child is
born, the parents must register its
ethnicity with the authorities: of
the 56 boxes they can tick,
“mixed-race” is not an option.
But there are factors other than
racism that might lead a family to
reject a mixed marriage.
Linessa Lin Dan, a PhD student at
the Chinese University of Hong
Kong researching Afro-Chinese
relations in Guangzhou, says
many African men who propose
already have wives in their home
countries–Muslims are permitted
by their religion to take multiple
spouses. Furthermore, Lin has
heard tales of husbands returning
to Nigeria on a business trip,
leaving a mobile-phone number
that doesn’t connect and
disappearing.
“The Chinese wife is left with their
children, and shamed for
marrying a hei gui[black ghost],”
says Lin.
Generally, though, the African
bachelors in Guangzhou are not
desperate asylum seekers: they are
highly eligible businessmen. Like
Ousagna and Issa, they often own
a car, have a stable income and
speak Putonghua. Forty per cent
of African migrants surveyed in
Guangzhou for the book Africans
in China (2012), by former
University of Hong Kong professor
Adams Bodomo, had received
tertiary education–some even held
a PhD.
As one Congolese merchant
tells Post Magazine, “To start a
business in China you have to be
quite well-to-do. In the early days,
the air ticket alone cost US
$2,000.”
Despite their eligibility, most
African grooms in Guangzhou
marry Chinese economic migrants
whose disapproving families
reside far from the city. In
business terms, it is the ideal
merger, says Lin, who believes
most Afro-Chinese marriages are
a cynical play for better business.
“Opening a shop is very difficult
for foreigners,” she says. “You
need a Chinese passport or the
landlord will ask for a bribe. A
Chinese wife can speak to
suppliers. It’s useful to have a
Chinese partner.
“Many Chinese women want to
marry Africans because they are
from poor rural areas, often
Hunan or Hubei provinces.
Marrying a foreigner is a way to
upgrade their social status,
because the Africans have
money.”
Instead of taking a factory job, a
Chinese woman who marries an
African man often becomes head
of his wholesale shop, should he
open one, and a key player in his
export business.
Pat Chukwuonye Chike–a garment
trader by day and Nigerian hip-
hop artist known as Dibaocha Sky
by night–has a Chinese wife who
doubles as a business partner.
But, he says, if African men could
legally work in China, many might
not take a local wife.
“That is my sacrifice,” says the
married father-of-two. “My wife
cannot cook. My mother-in-law
helps look after the children, and
she is poisoning them against
Africa. She’s an old woman, she
knows the game she’s playing.
There is crisis everywhere–
terrorists were in Guangzhou last
week–it is a sin to make my
children scared of Nigeria.”
Africans in Guangzhou fall into
two groups: those with valid
documentation and those whose
visas have expired. For those who
have overstayed, a Chinese wife is
more than a business partner; she
is key to survival.
Last August, a major police bust
on an African-led drug ring
turned life into a daily fight
against deportation for
overstayers. From dusk till dawn,
police checked passports in
Guangyuan Xi Lu, the Nigerian
annex of Little Africa, where most
of the city’s overstayers can be
found.
“When Nigerians land at Baiyun
Airport many throw away their
passports,” Lin says. “They only
get seven- to 30-day visas [less
than most other Africans]–it’s not
enough time to make their
fortunes.”
Overstayers face a 12,000 yuan
fine and must pay for their 6,000-
yuan air ticket out of the country.
Those with Chinese wives went
underground while their spouses
manned their businesses.
“During this period, Nigerians
with Chinese wives survived
better,” says Lin.
While the crackdown proved a
Chinese wife’s worth, the loyalty
displayed points to genuine
devotion in Afro-Chinese
romances.
Pastor I.G., of the Royal Victory
Church, has a Chinese wife, and
children. One Sunday I ask him,
“Is it love or business?”
The Nigerian sighs. He feels
“slighted” by repeated
assumptions his eight-year
marriage is economically
motivated. He met Winnie, a
native of Guangdong province, at
church and the pair are united in
their evangelic mission (“God
knows it’s China’s time,” he says).
Winnie, 34, is a pastor at the
church’s 100-worshipper-strong
Chinese arm while he leads the
larger African congregation. Their
tactile body language speaks
volumes about their union.
Michelle Zhang Nan, 35, doesn’t fit
the profile of a trader’s wife,
either. When we meet at
McDonald’s, she is dressed in an
expensive A-line dress and kitten
heels. Her three-year-old son,
Calvin, trails behind as she carries
a tray of Big Macs and
milkshakes.
A university graduate whose
parents are government officials,
Zhang lives in Guangzhou but has
a prized Beijing hukou and owns
a phone-battery retail business.
“I liked the way he did business,”
she says, of falling in love with
her South African husband. “If I
was married to a Chinese man, I
could not be a strong woman like I
am today. My husband is 11 years
older and he teaches me.”
She notes that a Chinese man
would benefit equally from taking
an African wife, but that is
unheard of in Guangzhou. As one
bootylicious Liberian hairdresser,
who works on the third floor of a
tower block, says, “Chinese men
aren’t manly, they aren’t sexual to
us.” (East African prostitutes
working in Little Africa, however,
report that 50 per cent of their
clients are Chinese men who
“want to try it”, according to
Matthews.)

continue reading. ..
http://scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/article/1521076/afro-chinese-marriages-boom-guangzhou-will-it-be-til-death
RomanceRe: Why Are South African Women Crazy About Naija Guys? by osystein(m): 1:46am On Jul 26, 2014
Another interesting fact,

Nigerian women are most unfaithful in the world – Durex

A survey conducted by condom manufacturer, Durex, in which 29,000 people in 36 countries were interviewed has ranked Nigerian women as the most unfaithful in the world.

www.channelstv.com/2012/07/16/nigerian-women-are-most-unfaithful-in-the-world-durex/
RomanceRe: Why Are South African Women Crazy About Naija Guys? by osystein(m): 1:40am On Jul 26, 2014
here's the answer
grin grin gringringrin

South African men are having far less sex than their counterparts around the world, according to a survey released on Tuesday.

Men in the country have sex on average 52 times a year,
Pharma Dynamics found in its survey.
This paled in comparison to the global average of 104 times a
year.

www.timeslive.co.za/lifestyle/2014/07/22/south-african-men-hard-up-for-sex---only-get-half-world-s-average

[center]here's the answer
grin grin gringringrin

South African men are having far less sex than their counterparts around the world, according to a survey released on Tuesday.

Men in the country have sex on average 52 times a year,
Pharma Dynamics found in its survey.
This paled in comparison to the global average of 104 times a
year.

www.timeslive.co.za/lifestyle/2014/07/22/south-african-men-hard-up-for-sex---only-get-half-world-s-average

[/center]here's the answer
grin grin gringringrin

South African men are having far less sex than their counterparts around the world, according to a survey released on Tuesday.

Men in the country have sex on average 52 times a year,
Pharma Dynamics found in its survey.
This paled in comparison to the global average of 104 times a
year.

www.timeslive.co.za/lifestyle/2014/07/22/south-african-men-hard-up-for-sex---only-get-half-world-s-average
TravelRe: Top 10 Signs You’ve Been In Nigeria Too Long by osystein(m): 10:29am On Jul 25, 2014
when you start envying Igbos.
TravelRe: Top 10 Signs You’ve Been In Nigeria Too Long by osystein(m): 10:21am On Jul 25, 2014
when you do anything for money.
TravelRe: Top 10 Signs You’ve Been In Nigeria Too Long by osystein(m): 10:18am On Jul 25, 2014
when you fart infront of others without feeling embarrassed.
TravelRe: Top 10 Signs You’ve Been In Nigeria Too Long by osystein(m): 10:14am On Jul 25, 2014
when generator noise don't irritate you.
TravelRe: Top 10 Signs You’ve Been In Nigeria Too Long by osystein(m): 10:13am On Jul 25, 2014
When you're able to lie with a straight face, when you cheat anada without feeling bad.
RomanceRe: Why Are South African Women Crazy About Naija Guys? by osystein(m): 8:01am On Jul 25, 2014
ANAMBRA11: who cary diz mumu thread put for front page kiss,well orlando no make urself happy na igbo boys,s.a girls no send monkey loooking scratchface
lmaoo..
RomanceRe: Why Are South African Women Crazy About Naija Guys? by osystein(m): 4:43am On Jul 25, 2014
Ashantiking: Don't get me started on u igbos. U are always beating your chest. We control the economy in lagos, we control the economy in Ghana, we control the economy in Cameroon. But when one take a look at your part of Nigeria, nothing to be found.
Another black loser, jealous of ndiigbo, u wish u were igbo, don't u?
RomanceRe: Why Are South African Women Crazy About Naija Guys? by osystein(m): 4:01am On Jul 25, 2014
Ashantiking: Nigerians say this about the men in every country they go to. You say that about Ghanaians, South Africans, african Americans, Jamaicans in Britain. U guys really need to shut up with all that bs.

Did u dopes ever think that maybe just maybe that the Nigerians that move to those countries are the ambitious ones and if a South African or Ghanaian were to come to Nigeria. They would also consider nigerian men lazy. Ghanaians that came to Nigeria during Ghana must go also considered Nigerian men to be lazy.

Ps, women are harder workers and are more ambitious than men of the same country.
Every black guy is a loser except ndiingbo (especially from anambra), you should know that.
RomanceRe: Why Are South African Women Crazy About Naija Guys? by osystein(m): 3:31am On Jul 25, 2014
Ibos as usual, always causing trouble.
RomanceRe: Why Are South African Women Crazy About Naija Guys? by osystein(m): 3:22am On Jul 25, 2014
Igbos as usual, always looking for trouble.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by osystein(mod): 6:29am On Jul 24, 2014
To be honest, sercurity guards in SA are better trained and more competent than the useless nigerian military.
While SA standards are first world, everything about Nigeria is 3rd and even 4th world.
PoliticsRe: Eko Atlantic Is Starting To Rise by osystein(m): 4:15am On Jul 24, 2014
Everyone pls ignore the idiot, he's a real mental case, i've seen him on other forums trolling non stop like he's doing here. I've seen him dissing SA also, like he does Nigeria.
PoliticsRe: Eko Atlantic Is Starting To Rise by osystein(m): 4:02am On Jul 24, 2014
Aigbofa: Sonny Okosuns will be turning in his grave. Poor man he sang his heart out about "fire in Soweto burning on his people"
The physical chains are gone we need another set of heroes to liberate people like you from the mental chains.
He's ghnian, check his other moniker....
www.nairaland.com/kwametut

www.nairaland.com/kwamenkria
PoliticsRe: Eko Atlantic Is Starting To Rise by osystein(m): 3:42am On Jul 24, 2014
sostoz: How many blacks on that unda 20 cricket? Awodwa? Ungum Xhosa ?
he's ganian, he's other monikers are kwame tut and kwame nkria.
PoliticsRe: Eko Atlantic Is Starting To Rise by osystein(m): 3:39am On Jul 24, 2014
Litmus: Most Nigerians are like you. I look at Africa and pray for the best for all Nations. Who wouldn't want to see progress in every corner of Africa ? Actually, apart from Saudi Arabia i cant think of one nation in the entire world that i even feel deserves failure let alone wish failure. Unfortunately, the rest of African don't seem to feel the same way.The rest of Africa seem a place of lost, jealous, bitter souls... pitiful undecided


Nigeria's looking more and more like a nation of pure hearts by comparisons to the rest of Africa which is why we need to secure our borders we're in danger - seriously
He's ganian with an inferiority complex.
PoliticsRe: Eko Atlantic Is Starting To Rise by osystein(m): 3:37am On Jul 24, 2014
overhypedsteve: this awodwa guy is not very wise is he, he is so foolish that he does not realise that he is peeing on nelson mandela's grave by calling an african black, he doesnt know the history of african libration struggle well enough to realise that it was the brotherly nature of this legends that laid the foundation for the freedom we now enjoy, he doesnt know that without our identity and unity as blacks there would be no black africa,i ve always thought of the southafricans as the strongest pan africanists in the continent due to the discriminations and challenges they got as a result of their skin colour, but this awoonja guy is proving me wrong, he projecting the southafricans as a delusional set of people, but i know he cant be right, cus like i said earlier, he is not too wise

note: i dont go over the internet googling for development projects in other african nations to predicate it with that of my country, i just wish that all africa would develope equally, were people live equally like in the egaliterian society of your forefathers the (The San) the white settlers called them the bushmen for refusing the comfort of white culture, but the present racial discrimination and class difference among african have thought us that The San's were the purest pre modern group the word would ever see
Pls ignore that ganian troll, He's not a south african.
TravelRe: Nigerians Among Races That Excel In America by osystein(m): 11:31pm On Jan 10, 2014
She probably chose Nigerian so she doesn't come across as racist, the list includes a group from each race, go figure. Chinese, Indians and Nigerians are most definitely boasted by their over-population, obviously there's selection for the most talented and ambitious when it comes to immigrating to the US.
SportsRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by osystein(m): 7:17pm On Jan 10, 2014
honeric01: done.. pls keep reporting to the mods any troll you find around by clicking the report to moderator's sign.

Thanks
www.nairaland.com/kwame%20tut

Here is the ghanain troll again with his other handle, pls ban both his accounts from the sports section, or else he'll spamm all the CHAN threads throughout the tournament.
SportsRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by osystein(m): 11:28am On Jan 10, 2014
mod can u pls ban this spamming troll from the Chan thread www.nairaland.com/awodwagyanoniwe
PoliticsDrug Use On The Rise In Nigeria's Biggest City by osystein(op): 1:13pm On Jan 07, 2014
2014-01-07 10:04
Kano - Drug abuse in northern Nigeria's largest city has been on the rise in recent years, with anti-narcotics officials and experts warning of serious social consequences if the problem is not tackled.

Kano has the country's highest drug abuse rate based on the number of seizures, arrests of addicts and convictions of arrested dealers, according to the National Drug Law Enforcement Agency (NDLEA).

"It is a painful fact that Kano tops the drug abuse chart in Nigeria, a trend that all hands must be on deck to change if we are to save our upcoming generation from ruin," the Kano commander for the NDLEA, Garba Ahmadu, told AFP.

"The use of hard drugs, especially among the youth, has become a real social menace and cuts across all social strata, with children from both rich and poor backgrounds deeply into it."

On December 6 the NDLEA destroyed more than 10 metric tonnes of drugs, including cannabis, cocaine and methamphetamine, with an estimated street value of some $1.4m.

The Hisbah, Kano's so-called "morality police" which enforces Islamic law, separately impounded 100 000 cartons of glue during a raid on a city warehouse.

More unconventional drugs are also being used, not just codeine-laced cough syrup which has become popular among married women, but solvents and powerful horse stimulants.

Unemployment, broken marriages blamed

According to Mairo Bello, who runs a youth charity called the Adolescent Health Information Project, high divorce rates and a resulting breakdown in family values contribute to drug use.

Hundreds of factories in Kano have closed in the past two decades because of power supply problems and competition from cheaper Asian goods, putting many out of work and leaving them unable to provide for their families.

Unemployment rates in Kano, which was famous for its textiles and tanneries, are the highest in Nigeria, according to the government.

In 2011, the National Bureau of Statistics said as many as two-thirds of the population (67%) were out of work.

"The government needs to resuscitate dead industries by providing the needed infrastructure to get the youth employed and off drugs," said Nu'uman Habib, who teaches sociology at Kano's Bayero University.

Kano, like the rest of northern Nigeria, is majority Muslim, with men allowed to take up to four wives, which has also contributed to social problems.

High birth and divorce rates compound financial burdens and often see families on the streets when marriages break down, Bello said.

As a result, children often turn to drugs to blot out hardships.

"I'm from a broken home," said 23-year-old Usman Umar. "My parents divorced when I was nine and I continued to live with my father, who remarried.

"My stepmother treated me harshly. She would molest and insult me but my father would not do anything to protect me, which forced me to stay outside the house most of the time and hang out with friends I made in our neighbourhood.

"They introduced me to drugs, starting with cigarettes and moving to hashish, cough mixture with codeine and other psychotropics.

"A lot of young men take drugs to get high and forget their frustration. When you take it you feel happy and your worries disappear."

Reconciliation, rehabilitation, mass weddings

The Kano state authorities and the Hisbah have responded to the use of drugs because of concern at the extent of their use.

Last year, the state governor Rabiu Musa Kwankwaso launched a programme to target fake and illicit drugs while the manufacture, sale and consumption of codeine-laced cough syrup was banned to curb its abuse.

"It is no longer drug abuse but substance abuse as drug users now experiment with anything that will get them high," Habib said.

The state government has established a sports institute and vocational training centres for young people and set up a drug rehabilitation centre for addicts.

Children sent to the city by their parents from impoverished villages, who often find themselves on the streets, will be sent back when a ban on begging comes into effect.

The Hisbah has in addition set up a Matrimonial Dispute Resolution Office to try to reconcile warring families.

Mass weddings of divorcees have also been held to help keep children of divorced parents from ending up on the streets and turning to drugs.

In the past year alone, more than 2 000 women have been married off in this way.
HealthRe: Man Gives Birth To Baby Girl: His Wife Is The Father (Argentina) by osystein(m): 8:32pm On Jan 03, 2014
People should at least think about the poor child when they wanna do these things. I feel so sorry for the little one.
PoliticsRe: See The African Countries Doing The Most To Boost Its Energy Supply by osystein(m): 9:52pm On Jan 02, 2014
PoliticsRe: South Korea In 1964 .a Few Years After Nigeria's Independence by osystein(m): 1:40am On Jan 02, 2014
Obiagu1: ^^^

This is a South Korean thread and not a South African thread.

South Africa was developed by Whites and I don't care how they did it.
My concern is why couldn't Nigeria, with her indigenous people, develop much like South Korea did by Koreans?
Hey dumbo.. Did u read the comment I was replying to? The guy claimed that South Africa didn't receive any support from the west which is totally not true, do you think if Nigeria had that level of support it wouldn't be more developed now?
PoliticsRe: South Korea In 1964 .a Few Years After Nigeria's Independence by osystein(m): 12:54am On Jan 02, 2014
revolt: pleasreeeeeeeeeeee stop giving excuses for nigerias retrogression. babbling about we not having the same support south Korea got from U.S.
South Africa under apartheid didn't get any support from anybody, Germany was heavily destroyed physically and economically, Japan, etc.
the truth is even with such good leadership in south Korea, if the population was black, trust me they'd still destroyed it. the bulk of negroes are destroyers. the very nature and values are retrogressive, and savage.

perhaps you may need to understand how and why the apartheid segregation started. it wasn't like that from beginning you know.

call me a bigot, but this us the truth. even South africa after being built and handed over to the blacks, see what it's turned to, same with black populated parts of U.S, and the U.K.
it's scary and hard to accept, but it's the truth. sad
You have no clue about anything, South Africa just like South Korea received alot support from the west, even during the sanctions the west invested and traded with the country more than other African countries .
I saw this in military thread in the foreign affairs section. South Africa today has one of the top defense industry in the world and support from the west played a huge role in it.


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[size=13pt] South Africa Growth of the Defense Industry[/size]
South Africa's domestic arms industry originated in 1940 with the appointment of an Advisory Committee on Defence Force Requirements to study and to assess the country's military-industrial potential. Relying on its recommendations, the government, with British assistance, established six factories to produce or to assemble ammunition, bombs, howitzers, mortars, armored vehicles, and electronic equipment

Before the voluntary UN arms embargo was declared mandatory in 1977, South Africa received military technology through licensing agreements, primarily with West Germany, Italy, Israel, France, Belgium, and Canada. Licensing and coproduction agreements in the 1970s and 1980s made it difficult to distinguish between fully indigenous military manufactures and those that relied on foreign manufacturing capabilities

[size=13pt] Defying International Embargoes[/size]
Despite the numerous international embargoes against arms trade with South Africa in the 1970s and 1980s, it nonetheless developed the most advanced military-industrial base on the continent.

in the deliberate refusal by several countries to comply with the embargoes; in Pretoria's use of clever and covert circumvention techniques; and in its ability to develop and to exploit advanced commercial and "dual-use" technologies for military applications. By the late 1960s, South Africa had acquired at least 127 foreign production licenses for arms, ammunition, and military vehicles. South Africa had purchased fighter aircraft, tanks, naval vessels, naval armaments, and maritime patrol aircraft, primarily from Britain. After that, military equipment was carefully maintained, upgraded, and often reverse-engineered or copied, after the embargo made it difficult to obtain replacements or replacement parts.

During the 1970s, South Africa expanded and refined its ability to acquire foreign assistance for domestic military production. Its broad-based industrial growth enabled it to shift imports from finished products to technology and components that could be incorporated into locally designed or copied military systems. Through this maneuver, multinational firms and banks became major sources of technology and capital for South Africa's defense industry, even during the embargo era.

Dual-use equipment and technology--such as electronics, computers, communications, machine tools, and industrial equipment--and manufacturing techniques were not subject to embargo and were easy to exploit for military applications. South African engineers also were able to modify, to redesign, to retrofit, and to upgrade a wide range of weapons using foreign technology and systems.

South Africa also invested in strategic foreign industries; recruited foreign technicians to design, to develop, and to manufacture weapons; rented and leased technical services, including computers; and resorted to cover companies, deceptive practices, third-country shipments, and outright smuggling and piracy to meet its defense needs. By the 1980s, the defense industry, as extensive as it was, was nonetheless incapable of designing and producing some advanced military systems, such as high-performance combat aircraft, tanks, and aerospace electronics.


The new Government of National Unity in 1994 faced the dilemma of whether to dismantle the defense industry many of its leaders had reviled for two decades or to preserve a lucrative export industry that still employed tens of thousands of South Africans. After some debate, President Mandela and Minister of Defence Joe Modise decided to maintain a high level of defense manufacturing and to increase military exports in the late 1990s
http://www.photius.com/countries/south_africa/national_security/south_africa_national_security_growth_of_the_defens~2506.html

so please stop deceiving yourselves and some ignorant south africans that you developed your defence industry alone during sanctions. western countries traded with SA, helped you with your military capabilities. even SA was Britains largest trading partner in Africa under sanctions. while Nigeria was completely abandoned because we didn't have European settlers. Fact

do you think i just come here blabbing without proof like you. i'm just not accustomed to the copy and paste mentality you people depend on to pass information. tongue

like i said earlier, Nigerian defence industry is very young and wholly indigenous and so far we are doing very well. deal with it or go flush your head in a toilet. tongue[/quote]
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