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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Nigerian Atheists Afraid Of The Humanist Label? by OtemAtum: 10:56pm On Aug 15, 2017
BlueAngel444:
You say you can speak more math than a god, and you don't even figure out that the population of the world wasn't so large and people settled in closer and assessable regions in those days. So hunger drove men from far and wide to Egypt to get food. Now how far could man have spread from the time of Noah to the time of Jacob, knowing that even one of his sons lived to the days of Abraham.


Hope you do know Asians are still very religious
The middle east very religious
Yet their advancement in science and technology in obviouS


Your faulty reasoning is thinking science started in ye twenty-first century. How were weapons of war made as they have always been made through technology

Most of the major technological advancement are because of war
Asians very religious and worshipping Yahweh? And did they tell you they invent through the worship of gods or through the use of their brains' undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Nigerian Atheists Afraid Of The Humanist Label? by OtemAtum:
BlueAngel444:
You say you can speak more math than a god, and you don't even figure out that the population of the world wasn't so large and people settled in closer and assessable regions in those days. So hunger drove men from far and wide to Egypt to get food. Now how far could man have spread from the time of Noah to the time of Jacob, knowing that even one of his sons lived to the days of Abraham.
These things are mere fictions. It's only those who don't know their history you can tell this cocck and bull story and they will believe you.
If you want the mathematics of my genealogy, I will give it to you and it doesn't have Abraham and Noah in it. I'll open a thread of my genealogy next.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Wise Sayings Of Luwabi: A Moral Man Of The Yoruba Land by OtemAtum(op): 10:18pm On Aug 15, 2017
CHAPTER TEN

1. Nogudu was a father who was very poor.
2. His children were very good but they looked very hungry also.
3. Now Nogudu had a friend called Mefon. And Mefon had much money which he always hid in the holes.
4. Now Nogudu knew that Mefon his friend was rich, but Mefon tried to keep it away from Nogudu.
5. Now when the children of Nogudu were very hungry up to the point of death, he became very worried and thought about commiting suicide. Now Nogudu went to ask some money from Mefon his friend.
6. Now after much arguments, Mefon borrowed him little money. And Mefon sat him down and advised him on what to do to have money also.
7. Now Nogudu took the money and bought some food for his children.
8. Now after the money was exhausted, the wife of Nogudu fell sick. And she nearly died. Now Nogudu was ashamed to tell his friend again that he needed money to buy food for her, because he had told him what to do to get money.
9. Now Nogudu went to other people to ask for money, but the abused him, saying the ajegbese is here. Let him pay all the ones he was owing us before.
10. Now when Mefon saw that Nogudu his friend did not come to visit him like before, he went himself to the house of Nogudu and saw his wife lying sick, even to the point of death.
11. Now Mefon called out his friend and talked to him angrily. And whenever Nogudu wanted to explain himself, Mefon did not allow him. And Mefon said, I have told you that you can make much money by selling the oparun tree. For many buyers from other lands always come every fourteen days to demand them.
12. Now you have refused to do so, but you preferred to remain hungry. Now Nogudu wanted to explain to Mefon that when he thought to start the business was when his wife and one of his children fell terribly ill.
13. Now Mefon spoke many wise words into the ears of Nogudu and left him, saying, we only speak half-word the children of Luwabi and when he ponders upon it, the words become full. Now this proverb meant that the wise people ponders upon words after they had been told.
14. Now the wife of Nogudu did not return from the sickness, but she died because Nogudu could not afford the sum of money demanded by the native doctor. And because Abolore his wife did not have food to eat.
15. Now when Nogudu was told that his wife was dead, he wept, shaking the dead body of his wife as if to wake him up. Now Nogudu went far away and hanged himself.
16. Now some people saw the aroko which Nogudu had made down, and they understood it, knowing that he spoke of how and where he would hang himself. Now when they found him, his body had rotten and his neck had been eaten by the igunnugun, which was a bird of prey.
17. Now Mefon his friend cried out so much that he almost died himself.
18. And he said, I have told Nogudu many proverbs of Luwabi. I have done much good to him also. And Nogudu chose to end it this way.
19. Now Melon went to the house of Luwabi and said, father, my friend is dead. Yet I spoke your suiting words into his ears everytime. But he ended up hanging himself.
20. I thought that your words are effective as many said, but I have seen now that they are not effective to achieve anything. For my korikosun friend has hanged himself. Yet I advised him with much moral talks.
21. Now Luwabi said, if a homo is Unclad what will you give him? Then Mefon said, I will give him cloth.
22. And Luwabi also said, if a homo is mad what will you give him? Then Mefon said, I will give him herbs, perhaps he will recover.
23. Then Luwabi said, if a homo is in need of advice, what will you give him? Then Mefon said, I will give him advice filled with proverbs.
24. Then Luwabi said, what if a homo is hungry and sick to the point of death, what will you give him? Then Mefon said, I will give him food and money to procure herbs.
25. Then Luwabi said, did you give Nogudu food and money when his wife was sick and starving? Tell me, did you do so? I know you have food and money, so tell me if you gave them to Nogudu at that time.
26. Now Mefon looked up and down in shame and put a finger of regret into his mouth. Then Mefon said, it is the truth baba Lawani. I gave Nogudu moral talks when he actually needed money and food. I am the cause of his death.
27. Then Mefon shed tears continuously such that Luwabi had to console him. And Mefon said, baba, what can I do to take away my guilty conscience? Then Luwabi said, it is only the water that spilled, but the akerengbe(calabash) has not broken.
28. Does the deceased have children? And Mefon said, yes, three children. A male and two females.
29. Then Luwabi said, take the children as your own and give them much care which you didn’t give to their parents. But first ask for the consent of your wife. When Mefon heard it, he said, my wife Abike has no choice. She just have to accept them into the family.
30. Now from the story of Mefon and Nogudu did Luwabi make a proverb, saying, moral words are sweet but they can never replace food and money, no matter what.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Wise Sayings Of Luwabi: A Moral Man Of The Yoruba Land by OtemAtum(op): 10:15pm On Aug 15, 2017
CHAPTER NINE
1. According to the teaching of Luwabi, the hunters who shot a wild animal first would be the owner of the animal when it has fallen dead.
2. Now Awoniyi, who was a very great hunter, after consulting Ifa, was told by the thummim, saying, you shall kill an efon today. Therefore Awoniyi went with the arrows which he made from pepe, the back of oparun.
3. Now when Awoniyi had searched so much for animals in the bush, he found an efon, which he chased about, throwing arrows at it. Suddenly, he did not see the animal again.
4. Now Awoniyi was sad, saying, did the Ifa priest not say that I shall kill an efon today? Why then did the animal escape?
5. Now Awoniyi began to head back home, for he was very tired. Then he saw some homos cutting an efon into pieces. And Awoniyi saw some arrows beside the dead animal, which had the colour of the pepe he had shot at them.
6. And Awoniyi recognised both the pepe and the animal. And Awoniyi told them, saying, that is my efon, but the people said, how do you say it is your own?
7. We found it lying down beside our abata(hut) and we caught it and say, we shall roast it and put the meat in our pot. So why do you say it is your own?
8. Then Awoniyi said, I shot at it and it was injured, then it escaped nearly dead. Now give it to me, because it is my own.
9. Now when the matter was great, the three homos took the case to Luwabi, with some of the arrows shot still in the body of the efon.
10. Now when Luwabi saw the animal, he knew already what the case was. And Luwabi said. Now when the two homos claimed the animals as their own, Luwabi asked them, saying, who owns these arrows in the body of the efon?
11. Then the two homos said, we do not know. Then Awoniyi said, the arrows are my own. Then Luwabi said, Awoniyi, not only are the arrows your own, but the meat also belongs to you. For you are the ones who shot at it.
12. Now the two homos were angry. And they said, baba Luwabi, you have not judged the matter well. The animal belongs to us because we found it lying lifeless beside our abata. And we slaughtered it, saying that we shall cook it in our gbegi’i soup which is already on fire.
13. Now Luwabi said, you found an efon lying dead beside your Abata and you brought out your knives and axes to cut it to pieces. Do you think that his death was caused by drinking water to stupor? Do not you know that someone must have hunted it.
14. Now Luwabi faced Awoniyi and said, if you will do it well, cut the efon into two and take half-part of it while they go with the other half. For there is joy in sharing your meat with others.
15. Now Awoniyi thanked Luwabi and shared the meat with the homos. And they, being enemies before, became friends with one another.
16. So Luwabi’s fame spread into other lands, because he knew how to teach the people morals with things which were happening around them. And the morality of the children of Odua was well-known in many lands
Christianity Etc › Re: The Doctrine Of The Ufos by OtemAtum: 10:10pm On Aug 15, 2017
realmindz:
Where ve I been? otem is far too kind for this religious dreamers. those guys above me are rly trying hard to console themselves and forcing their phsycs to continue believing bullshits bible tales.
Otem u for don call me, u are rly far too kind. I ridicule christians for entertainment
cheesy grin cheesy
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Nigerian Atheists Afraid Of The Humanist Label? by OtemAtum: 9:59pm On Aug 15, 2017
BlueAngel444:
Listen to me, anything that isn't the complete truth is a lie, no matter the percentage of distortion.
Now this Nicolas what was his doctrine about. If you knew how powerful and deceptive the devil is, you will know he will cook up any lie that makes people not believe in God who is Holy and is Love and in control of everything for he made all things for his will and purpose.
God doesn't have power He is power in himself, we can't grasp the magnitude of who he is. God is not a man that He should lie or repent. Worship him or not is not by force, He can raise up stones to serve him. Does he need angels for he made the whole of existence by His word.
If your referring to the devil, his demons or even angels specify. Do you know how realms and dimensions exist,
Your doctrines are limited to space and time.
Not enough time now, but their soo much holes in your doctrines and believes
pls point out the holes you see in the Doctufos of truth and I shall explain them to you well. And all the things you write above about God Almighty, the creator of Yahweh, I have not argued them, so why bringing them up at all? undecided The Nicolatian Doctrine first came up in the periods of the Neanderthals millions of years back and it wasn't accepted by the ignorant people of those days. Then around 2030-2017 years ago, it reigned supreme again when Niklas was reincarnated as an homo sapien. I will post some of the contents of the Nicolatian doctrine for you to see.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Nigerian Atheists Afraid Of The Humanist Label? by OtemAtum: 9:44pm On Aug 15, 2017
BlueAngel444:
Lemme start with number one.
The bible isn't against using one's brain. The term brain also refers to the mind and soul, then there is a conscious part and subconscious part.
God told Moses of a man he had gifted in all forms of craft to design the ark, vessels for the tabernacle, it's articles of gold and silver.
This is part of the bible lies I am talking about. What if I tell you that bible Moses is the reincarnation of Yahweh? Know also that Yahweh isn't God but one of the children of God who are the gods. You won't believe it but that's the reality. So if I am to interprete that passage of the bible to you, I will say that Moses(not God) told the people about someone who is skilled in art to design the 'coffin' aka what you call ark of covenant. Moses(the reincarnation of yahweh) used his brain in his own day and made the rest of the people to worship him without using their own brains. This is what we see in churches today where the sheeple call their pastors daddy and worship them.


Blueangel44: wrote and taught the first Hebrew language and established their law and legalistic system.
It isnt historically proven that the hebrew language was taught by Yahweh, but it is a fact that Moses( aka Yahweh reincarnate) made laws to rule his people.

[quote author=.]Joseph was the savour of the world from a famine by a means he had learnt through the experience God put him through.[/quote]The Joseph story as written by Moses(Yahweh reincarnate) is a mere fiction. So he saved Nigerians, Ghanians, etc from famine? Lol. How come this great guy didn't appear in the history of the land of Egypt? cheesy And how will you explain how he saved the whole countries of the world? As in did Africans and the entire world trek to Egypt to get food and the food even was sufficient for them all such that they all forgot to include this wonderful deliverance in their oral histories? Lol.

[quote author=.]The first ship/floating house was designed by Noah by wisdom given to him by God. Not enough time to speak about Solomon, Daniel, or other Jewish people renowned in the world of science and invention.[/quote]Noah didn't design the first ship but Deganis did. And Deganis was not even a creature of Yahweh. He actually taught Yahweh how to construct a ship. See the doctufos of truth for references. Solmani did not worship Yahweh in his days and Solomon as written in the bible is a fictitious version of Solmani a real being. Danyal was a hittite and not an israelite and he did not worship any god in his own days. Daniel in the bible is a fictitious version of Danyal the real being. The scientists be it Jews, Americans, Germans, Arabs did not become renown in science because of worshipping any particular god but because of how deep they had used their brains to think deep. You too can become a great scientist if you use your brain very well as that is the purpose of creation. It doesn't matter whether you are an atheist or not you can excel. Note, Japan, China are renowned in technology, yet they have many atheists and non religious people among them so many. Even Israel of Yahweh isn't among the G8 countries, so where is their god?

[quote author=']Have you since ancient mathematics and designs, you will realise we are actually backward in someway.[/quote]Africa is backward because of lack of critical thinking. They refuse to build upon their philosophies but they went after the fullstops of religion. But watch us, we shall rise now that we are dropping religion to focus more on our brains and mentality.

[quote author=.]The Hebrew God seems to love speaking in maths/numbers. the only God that sets the boundary for infinity

So this point is false[/quote]I can even speak in Maths than the hebrew god. Show me the maths the hebrew god spoke in and in few minutes I will get connected and speak in a better maths. Should we give it a try?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Wise Sayings Of Luwabi: A Moral Man Of The Yoruba Land by OtemAtum(op): 9:03pm On Aug 15, 2017
richardbrandy:
how can i contact you??
reach me on Otem2016@gmail.com. Thanks.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Nigerian Atheists Afraid Of The Humanist Label? by OtemAtum:
BlueAngel444:
Am not certain where your source is from and I didn't read it all, but their were lots of elements you used that seemed copied.

So are there more witnesses or its just you

Cause the through doesn't change even in time

What's the root of the message because that of Jesus is love, what is yours
If there is no single similarity between the available scrolls and the one I am dishing out right now, then there should be no credibility in what I am writing because what that would simply mean is that I'm trying to say that all former scrolls are 100% fictitious which isn't true. Things in the bible, Quran, etc are corrupted version of the truth and my own purpose on earth is to come and make amendments, write the truth exactly as they were and that's what I'm doing right now, hence the resemblance you see.

Concerning what I bring, being in three fold:

1. Use your brain- the brain is the organ that can bring the best out of humanity when used maximally. (Remember bible and quran left out the word 'brain' in their books, hence their books become brainless.

2. Worship no god- remember the religious books emphasize the worship of one form of god or the other, but this act will only bring limitation to what human beings are capable of doing as the brains will not be able to access some parts of itself to do maximum exploit. Take religion off anyone and he/she will perform maximally. You may not believe this.

3. Do good to humanity- this is the pivotal message of the DOCTUFOS and the purpose of God Almighty to everyone. Doing good should be a habit. Yes, doing good is an act of love, so love is a part of my message to humanity.

Very many witnesses abound but the popes, religious people etc have killed them under the guise of heresy. They were brutally dealt with and their scrolls were burnt, but thanks to Atum who is revealing the contents of the hidden scrolls to me. Even Nicolas whose doctrine was called Nicolatian doctrine is one of the scribes who wrote down the truth some years back but none of his scrolls survived because they burnt it. But now I have come to reveal them.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Wise Sayings Of Luwabi: A Moral Man Of The Yoruba Land by OtemAtum(op): 6:29pm On Aug 15, 2017
CHAPTER EIGHT

1. Now in those days, Luwabi promised to reward the best mother with cattle and goats and fowls. Therefore he told all the mothers of his land to send their children to his large court, saying, I shall reward them according to the love of their mothers for them.
2. Now all the mothers dressed their children very well, painting their faces with powder, anointing their bodies with palm oil and fitting their necks with ribbons. And all the children came to the court of Luwabi with their mothers waiting outside the court.
3. Now the mothers did not know how Luwabi would judge the best mother who loved the child most; and many of them had told their children saying, if baba Luwabi asked you how many times you are fed every day, tell him five times or six times.
4. And if he asked whether you are allowed to sleep on time, tell him yes.
5. And if he asked, saying, is this how your parent dresses you everyday, tell him yes.
6. Now a woman also took her child there and all those who saw her laughed at the woman and her child, because the child looked as if he was not being cared for.
7. And the mother also looked as if she was sick.
8. Now when Luwabi had seen the children, he smiled to himself. And they were about fifty-two children who went to the court of Luwabi.
9. Now Luwabi returned to the mothers and said, are you the mothers of the children you have brought? And they said yes. But Luwabi said, some of these children are as if they have no mother.
10. And the mothers were surprised when they heard Luwabi speak, because the children which he spoke about were the ones who were even dressed so much by their mothers.
11. Now Luwabi said to the children, return to your mothers. And some of them raised their shoulders high in arrogance and shouted at their mother as if commanding them in anger that they should go home.
12. And they hissed at Luwabi as they left his presence.
13. Now Luwabi said, I only performed one test on them and I knew the mothers who are indeed the children of Luwabi and the ones who are otherwise. For some backs have never been touched by ore(cane) among the children. And this is against the culture of the land; because we do not keep the canes far from us.
14. Now if all those backs I checked have no sign that they have ever been caned, then the parents of these children indeed did not train their children; for we have already seen it so.
15. Now Luwabi selected five mothers and enriched them, and the son of the poor woman was among them too. And she was glad, kneeling before Luwabi.
16. Now Luwabi said, woman, you have left a scar on the back of your child which he would show to his own children and grandchildren as a remembrance of you.
17. And they shall remember you when you are gone with it.
18. Now Luwabi made a proverb from what had happened, saying, it is only a child who has no mother that will not have a scar on his body to show to his own children and grandchildren.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Wise Sayings Of Luwabi: A Moral Man Of The Yoruba Land by OtemAtum(op): 6:27pm On Aug 15, 2017
CHAPTER SEVEN
1. When Luwabi opened another leaf, the story of Mebawondu was written. Now Mebawondu was the son of a widow called Oyayemi.
2. Now Oyayemi had only Mebawondu for her husband before he died. And Oyayemi had entered a blood covenant with Faleye her husband before, saying, whenever anyone of us dies before the other, then the living shall remain without getting married.
3. So when Faleye died two years after the birth of their only son Mebawondu, she remained as a widow and refused to marry. And many homos came for her but she rejected them all, saying, my betrothal to my past husband is bound with imule, which was an oath.
4. Now because Oyayemi did not want to lose Mebawondu and remain alone, she began to treat him with great care such that she spoilt him. Now whenever Mebawondu has gone to steal the grass-cutters caught by the traps of the hunters. He would come home and cook it and eat.
5. And Oyayemi would not ask where he got the meat from, knowing that Mebawondu did not know how to hunt, because he was a lazy child.
6. Also, Mebawondu would often go outside the house and trouble the worshippers of the ‘igunnuko’ who believed that the homo-erectuses hiding inside the cloth are sent by Olorun. And the members of the Igunnuko would chase him with long whips. But he would run to hide in his mother’s bosom.
7. Now the worshippers of the igunnuko would depart, because Oyayemi was an influential woman who always pay them what was due. But her son remained a terror to all worshippers of the lands, stealing from their shrines and going unhurt.
8. Now Oyayemi did not warn Mebawondu that it was bad to attack others. So he continued until he became very bad, killing people of the village. Now Mebawondu arranged and came with some of his gangs. And they threw the loads of his mother away and sold the hut to Lalupon.
9. Now Oyayemi did not have a place to live in anymore, therefore she went to the place of Luwabi and said, O great Luwabi, I am on fire. My only son whom I cherished so much has sold my hurt to the adversary of my late husband. And he has sent me out of the house.
10. Now Luwabi said, did you teach the child or correct him at all when he was still young? Then Oyayemi said, I wanted to satisfy him so that he would not die like his father. Because if he does prematurely, I shall be the only one left; for I have made an oath that I shall not separate from Faleye his father, both in life and in death.
11. So I was afraid to touch him. And I did not know that he would show me hatred for the love I have always showed him. Now he has sold the house upon my head.
12. Now Luwabi said, several times the worshippers of Igunnuko have come to my place to report Mebawondu to me, saying that they did not hurt him for my sake. Because they loved the teachings I have inculcated in them that they should not be violent even while performing their religious rites.
13. Now Oyayemi, tell me, how many times have you taught your child morals?
14. Oyayemi replied, I thought that he would learn it from me because he sees me doing good things every day.
15. Then Luwabi said, it is not everyone that learns by seeing. Many learns by being taught directly, so you should not have assumed that he would learn from you by seeing you? Or do you not know that he also has many friends whom he saw with bad attitudes?
16. It is easier for a child to learn from his mates than for him to learn from his family, because his mates are the ones with the same age and thinking with him. For if he looks at his mother and see good behaviors with her, he would say that she is so because she is already old. And he will continue with his mates, behaving like them while hoping to change his ways in the future to behave like his mother.
17. But after many years, he would have formed his own habits which cannot be changed except by great efforts. And these habits shall grow with such child.
18. Now Oyayemi, tell Mebawondu to come to my place, perhaps there is still something left to do. But already, the pot has broken and the water has spilled.
19. A child whom we refuse to train at tender age will be the one to sell the house we have built.
20. Another bundle of leaves has the story of Ahoro in it. He was a father of two children whose names were Ajaguna and Dejo. Now the two sons of Ahoro were very good children who were well trained by Ahoro their father and Aina their mother.
21. Now Dejo soon joined bad friends and he became bad himself. And he went about to rape young girls. Now when Ahoro heard it, he sent Dejo away from home forever, saying, I shall no more be your father forever.
22. Now Dejo realised that what he has done was bad and he came back to his father, begging him to forgive him, but Ahoro said, you have soiled the name of the family. And like the black sheep of the proverb of Luwabi, you have gone astray.
23. Now I have sworn that I shall never take you back forever. Now Aina begged her husband to accept Dejo back as part of the family, but he refused and even threatened to send Aina packing.
24. Now when Dejo began to walk about in the village like a vagabond, Aina began to worry so much, such that she became mad and Ahoro took her to the place of one who consults the oracle.
25. And Ahoro was told, saying, your wife worried her head into madness. Now go and find your son Dejo and bring him to his mother, maybe if she sees him, her sanity could be restored. And they gave Aina some herbs such that her condition was suppressed.
26. Now Ahoro went about, looking for Dejo. But when he found him, it was his dead body he saw. At the same time, some wicked homos went to the house of Ahoro and searched for Ajaguna his second son who was alone.
27. And they took him and killed him, thinking to make a ritual of him.
28. Now when Ahoro saw it, he was greatly confused such that he became dumb. So did the family of Ahoro become a mystery till today. And it became a parable in the land, saying, the house of Ahoro is the house of mischief.
29. And Luwabi wrote a proverb concerning the story, saying, we do not chase a bad child away for the tiger to prey upon.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Wise Sayings Of Luwabi: A Moral Man Of The Yoruba Land by OtemAtum(op): 6:11pm On Aug 15, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
Lots of good sayings here, there are some I kinda disagree with but I guess it might look wrong when looking at it from my own angle as not every wise saying here would resonate with one person

BTW OtemAtum, do you also agree with some wise words in the bible and Koran and some other religious books?
yes, because some words make sense, but most made no sense at all. That's why it's necessary in the world to learn, unlearn and relearn in order to make a world a better place.

It is not good to wholesomely immerse yourself in the knowledge and philosophy of somebody else because no philosophy can be 100% accurate and perfect. This is something the Christians dont want to accept and then majority of them end up having low thinking faculty.

Edited: They want to keep the laws made by cavemen in the middle east when actually they are already 2000 plus years more advanced than those cavemen. They want their women to keep silent in church, to cover their hair and stick to skirt-wearing in a world where everybody needs to work in order to earn a living, and trousers we know is better than skirts in hustling businesses. They are expecting a fitctitius character to come and magnet them to the sky, thereby neglecting their brains in doing some things profitable to humanity. Lol, they will wait forever grin and their children and childen children will keep waiting grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Nigerian Atheists Afraid Of The Humanist Label? by OtemAtum: 6:04pm On Aug 15, 2017
BlueAngel444:
Are you Otem that wrote doctrine of the Ufo,
yes

Blueangel444: claiming to have been visited by an angel
No, I was actually visited by a god and not an angel. The gods are superior to angels.
Blueangel444: but in fact taking time to compel historical notes with fantasy just to delude the mind of the simple
No, you are telling a lie against me.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Wise Sayings Of Luwabi: A Moral Man Of The Yoruba Land by OtemAtum(op): 2:45pm On Aug 15, 2017
CHAPTER SIX
1. When Luwabi opened another leaf, in it was a story of Ajala, a homo who reared sheep. Now Ajala had many sheep, but one of the sheep was lost, which was black. Now Ajala could not leave the remaining sheep to look for the one which was lost.
2. Now Ajala went every evening while the other sheep were sleeping to find the lost sheep which was black, but he could not find it.
3. Now after many days of labour of searching for the lost black sheep at nights, Ajala left all the sheep he has in care of the god whom he worshipped.
4. For he made his prayers and believed that none of his sheep would go missing. And so he went to search for the black sheep which was lost.
5. Now when Ajala was gone, one came around, a son of Luwabi whose name was Akano, came around and saw the sheep without shepherd. And he brought them together into one place, saying, if I leave them, they shall be lost.
6. And the owner shall trouble himself to find them and shall not find them all. Now I shall obey the teaching of Luwabi and help to keep the sheep together. So Akano called the sheep together, for he has learnt how to tame them from the teachings of Luwabi.
7. Now Ajala came to the hut of Luwabi and asked, saying, O great Luwabi, I have heard that you can divine so greatly. Now I have search for my sheep which was lost for about a week now and I have not found it. Now, O great one, divine for me and I shall find the lost sheep.
8. Now Luwabi said, I only tell people how they should behave in good ways and what they should do, but I do not divine for people because I do not have the gift.
9. Now Ajala said, so tell me, what did I do wrong? Why did I not find the lost sheep for many days now?
10. Then Luwabi said, for how many days have you been searching for the sheep? Then Ajala said, for about nine days. Then Luwabi asked, what is the color of the sheep? And Ajala said, it is black.
11. And Luwabi said, is it the only black sheep among them? And Ajala said, yes it is. The rest are white. So Luwabi said, some sheep go astray when they feel odd. Get more black sheep among the flock. Also Luwabi said, what time of the day do you search for the sheep?
12. Then Ajala said, only at nights. Then Luwabi said, why do you search for black sheep in the dark? Go and search for it in the day, for chances are that you will see it in the day and not at night. Search now with other shepherds, especially those who have many black sheep in their flock.
13. Now when Ajala went to search for the sheep, he found a shepherd who has many black sheep in his flock. Then he said, I am a shepherd myself and I have been searching for a black sheep.
14. Then the man said, I saw a black sheep in the field and its right leg was stuck in the trap. Now I helped the sheep out of the trap, acting according to the morality of Luwabi.
15. And the sheep joined itself to my flock and I said, if I see the shepherd who owns the sheep, I shall give it to him. Now have the sheep and do not let it stray away anymore.
16. So was Ajala happy. And he took the sheep with him to join the flock again. Then Ajala added more black sheep to his flock. Also, Akano who helped Ajala take care of his sheep was rewarded by Ajala.
17. Then Ajala returned to Luwabi to thank him, because both the shepherd and Akano confessed that the words of Luwabi was what made them do the good they did to him.
18. When Luwabi opened another leaf, it was the story of two women who have been quarrelling since the first day they began to see each other.
19. One of them was Apeke and the other was Aweke. Now Apeke lived just in the next house beside the hut of Aweke. And for a long time they have always had quarrels with one another. And they would hiss at each other and clap hands at each other, calling themselves bad names.
20. Now a day came when both Apeke and Aweke separately went to Luwabi to know what to do to the other. But the two women saw each other in Luwabi’s house and hissed at each other.
21. Then Luwabi said, why do you hiss at each other? Do you know each other before? So the women said, she is the one whom I brought her matter to tell you.
22. Now Luwabi asked the matter and the women said the same thing. And Apeke mentioned that her friend Ajiun was the one who told her that Aweke was a bad person. So also did Ajiun tell Aweke that Apeke was a bad person.
23. Now Luwabi said, did you both now see that Ajiun herself is the bad egg? For she has spoilt the mind of one against the other. And you foolishly hated one another even before knowing each other.
24. Now this is the conclusion of the issue; do not hate someone you do not know.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Nigerian Atheists Afraid Of The Humanist Label? by OtemAtum: 2:37pm On Aug 15, 2017
A world where everybody's name is his label would make perfect sense. A world where Johnydon would have his own personal tag called Johnydonism, Hahn is Hahnism, Wilgreasism, Otemism, Hopefullandlordism, Dalamanity, Realmindism, etc.

Such world would be full of brain users who study their own personal self and try to help the world in their own personal way. And the rules would just be 'use your own brain' and 'do good to humanity'.

I think free-thinking is close to this utopia of my dream. cool
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Those Who Have Been Cured Of Insanity By Men Of God by OtemAtum: 11:45am On Aug 15, 2017
ashjay001:
The thread, right now is on page 20, and I'm yet to read of anyone confessing to have experienced any sort of healing from a pastor or prophet or imam!
page 20? No it's still on PGE 0, you probably were checking my posts and not this thread. My post is what is now contained in 20 pages and not this thread.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Those Who Have Been Cured Of Insanity By Men Of God by OtemAtum: 11:31am On Aug 15, 2017
ashjay001:
I generally surf d net a lot n I've come across numerous stories of pastors healing mental patients. U can actually use google, d same way I did, if truly u investigate such.

Nowadays, everyone has a smartphone n wants to leak d next viral news.

http://www.informationng.com/2017/08/mad-man-got-healed-pastor-secures-employment-anambra-government.html

As for my personal experiences, I can not for any reason, point u in their direction/s!


Did u by any chance come across d recent story of d grieving mom in Ph, who lost her kids to a fire accident and went raving mad?! The hubby has been searching for her. Imagine she was searched for and quickly treated, she becomes ur everyday gutter eating, wasteland sleeping everyday lunatic!?

Whereas, she possibly needed minimal medical attention. She might even be rescued and rished to d village for one crazy babalawo to maltreat n add to her problems!
But thread isn't talking about stories from Google. It's about people known to us personally. Thanks for your time though.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Those Who Have Been Cured Of Insanity By Men Of God by OtemAtum: 10:49am On Aug 15, 2017
ashjay001:
The op might be expecting d instant miracle type, but mostly, I believe its generally a gradual thing. The so called pastors rescue d mentally ill patient, provide care n possibly treatment and after a while of lucid being lucid, bring them out for public consumption as a miracle.


Most of d pple so far 'miraclelised', look to have been in custody over a period. Generally looked far healthier, barbed n well dressed compared to their before pics! That couldnt have happened within a short period.
Mention name of any pastor who did this and the name of the so-called mad person. I investigate matters like this.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Doctrine Of The Ufos by OtemAtum:
Chapter One Hundred and Twenty One
1. A homo of a far away land came to Aropisa and other Ebir lands with walnuts. For he was a trader.
2. And Opotu asked, saying, where are you from and what have you come to the land to do? And he said, I am Kilisi from the western side of Okeoja. And I cultivate walnuts in every place I go.
3. For the people gave me land to cultivate. And when it is harvest time, we share the proceeds from the harvest. And I take half while the land takes half also.
4. And Opotu said, what benefit do we get from this nut? And Kilisi said, it has many benefits. For when we gave it to a homo who was finding it difficult to have a child because of the weakness of his liquid power, he had a child after a year.
5. And in a land, when their women began to have breast diseases, only few who have been eating this walnut for a long time did not have the disease.
6. And I have been offered a permanent place of abode in Yomesi which is southwest of this place.
7. Now Opotu gave Kilisi land to plant the walnuts, which he called asala. And he had said, in the tongue of the yooba, the meaning of the plant was 'escape'. For according to him, when he went to Yomesi, there were massive tumour growths.
8. And Kilisi fed them with the walnuts and herbs. And many of them were cured. And they named it asala, saying, it is an escape route to tumours.
9. Now when Kilisi had planted the walnuts in the land of Aropisa, they did not grow well. And he tried for two months to see if they shall do well, but they did not do well. For they grew like dwarf plants.
10. And Kilisi said, I perceive that nature doesn't support the growth of walnuts in your land. But if you want them, I shall supply you from my place.
11. And Kilisi gave the king a handful of walnuts which he had brought with him from his land in Yomesi, for Kilisi had a land there.
12. And when the king had tasted it, he said, this is very good. And all the chiefs tasted it also and they loved its taste. And Opotu said, indeed, the whiteness of an asala is hidden in the blackness of its nut so that it could hide its glory from the eyes of the covetous.
13. Now when Kilisi had departed, some homos came to the king and said, Kilisi has given us poison to eat. For when we took water, the water became very bitter in our mouths.
14. And two homos have vomitted already and they have fever now.
15. Now the king was afraid. And he said, bring me water. And when he had tasted the water, it was very bitter in his mouth. And he spat it out and cried, run after him on horseback. For he came on foot.
16. And they took their horses and ran after him. And they caught up with him before he had reached the bank of the Negre river. And they took hold of him and put him on a horse. And they gagged his mouth so that he could not talk.
17. Now when Kilisi was brought to the king, they freed his mouth. And they asked, saying, why have you determined to poison the whole land? Now they who ate the asala and gave to their children are now sick of bitterness.
18. For when they had tasted water after eating it, they felt a very bitter taste. And even I the king have vommited all I have eaten.
19. Now Kilisi laughed and said, the feelings of the homos kill them even faster than sicknesses themselves. For if a homo feels that he has been infected with a disease or he feels that he has been poisoned, he shall die faster than when he is actually sick.
20. For such homo shall break down and die shortly. And those who knew him shall think that he actually died of a sickness. But rather, he had died of his feelings.
21. Therefore when anyone feels that he has been infected with a disease or he has been poisoned, let him verify it before accepting it as the truth. Or else his feelings shall make him weak and sick and he shall eventually die of his own feelings rather than of any sickness.
22. For in the northern sides above Okeoja, some homos who had many rats in their houses died of some fever after eating some rats which they found in their huts. And when the wise ones had checked for the cause of their death, they said that they died because of the rats.
23. And some others who had eaten rats before began to fall sick. And they said, maybe it is the rat which we ate two weeks ago. And a wise homo went and said to them, it is the fear of the death of those who ate diseased rats that is giving you sicknesses. For fear can lead to incurable sicknesses and diseases.
24. Now go and have no fear anymore. And you shall recover. Now they believed the words of Mumini the Wise homo and they were cured of their weaknesses.
25. Now you homos of Aropisa, know also that those who vommited did so because of irritation and fear which they developed when they felt the natural bitterness. For the bitterness of a walnut is the health in it.
26. Now do not fear and nothing shall happen to anyone. For it is natural to feel a very bitter taste on the tongue after eating a walnut and tasting water.
27. Now when there was no death for two days, Opotu said, surely, ignorance is what kills people faster than weapons of war. And fear is a fiery trap which can bring down mighty ones.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Doctrine Of The Ufos by OtemAtum:
Chapter One Hundred and Twenty
1. Since the days of Anunozi as the head of Aropisa, it had been performed that all the hunters went into the wild to fetch ant bears for the meat of the Are-echi festival. And whichever of the hunters got an ant bear to the land first was well honoured. And such was given neck chains made with hollow maize and rings.
2. And such hunter was made the chief hunter until the next Are-echi festival when the contest would be done again.
3. Now in the sixth year of Oyioji as the head of Aropisa, the hunters who went to hunt for the ant bears began to cheat. For some of them would go into the wild a day before the Are-echi day, which was called the Unehe day. And they would seek and kill an ant bear and keep it somewhere till the next day. And the next day, which would be the real day of the Are-echi, such hunter would just go and fetch the ant bear which he had already killed the previous day. And he would get the honour so cheaply.
4. Now when Oyioji knew what the hunters did, he said, this is an abuse of the culture of the land. And he determined what he would do about it. And he meditated and slept while meditating.
5. And when he was about to awake from sleep, an idea came up like the appearance of lightning in the sky. And Oyioji said, I will keep them in the palace.
6. And Oyioji said, you shall be in the palace on the eve of the Are-echi festival. And you shall be watched to see that you do not go beforehand to the bush to kill an ant bear and bring its dead body to me on the Are-echi day.
7. Now Oyioji knew that some of the hunters shall even go and kill the animals two days before the festival, because he had declared to them that they would be in the palace throughout the day before the Are-echi day.
8. So he assigned fifteen vigilant servants, saying, go and hide in the bush two days before the festival. And whichever hunter has killed an ant bear that day, hiding it, you shall bring the ant bear which they had killed to the palace.
9. And we shall cook it for food. And that hunter shall seek for his kill on the Are-echi day and he shall not see it. And to some, we shall only cut away the head of their kill and leave the body alone. And to some, we shall insert some rings in the mouth of their kill. And when any ant bear has been brought to us, we shall go for its mouth to see if our ring is in its mouth.
10. So they went and did as the king had said. And they brought the whole body of some of the ant bears to the palace. And they brought only the heads of some of the ant bears too.
11. And the king fed all the hunters to satisfaction with the meat of the ant bears on the Unehe day preceeding the Are-echi day. And on the day of the festivals, they went and sought for their kills. And some of them came with headless ant bears.
12. And some hunters sought for their kills and could not find them in the places they had hid them two days before. And some found their own kills headless. And some found their own kills whole and brought them before the king.
13. Now Anazuo was the first hunter to arrive with his kill which was complete. And Oyioji put his hand into the stiff mouth of the dead animal and fetched a ring from it. And he said to Anazuo, go back home, for you did not actually kill it today but the day before yesterday did you kill it.
14. And Anazuo feared greatly and concluded in his mind that the ten witches and wizards of Aropisa had told the king the secret.
15. Now one named Enehu came with a headless animal. And Oyioji said, where is the head of your animal if indeed you killed it today? And Enehu said, I was hungry and I roasted the head and ate it.
16. And Oyioji went into the palace and fetched a head for the animal. And it fitted perfectly to the neck of the ant bear. And he said, go home Enehu, for you did not kill the animal today but the day before yesterday.
17. And Enehu went away and told his family members that the ten witches and wizards whom they celebrated had indeed fetched the head of his kill and had given it to the king.
18. And those who heard it perceived the king as a wizard himself who knows how to send the witches and wizards on errand.
19. And some who could not find their ant bears came and told the king that the bush was magical, because they could not find what they killed immediately after killing them. And the king said to them, you did not actually kill them today but two days before.
20. And the meat of your kill have you and the rest of the hunters been feeding upon since the morning of yesterday. So search your stomachs if you want to find the animals which you have killed.
21 When they heard what the king said, they were surprised. And they wondered how he knew it.
22. Now one homo also came with a ant bear which was full of rotten smell. And the king said, you went to hunt for it more than two days ago. And you kept it, thinking how you shall bring it to me today. Now the stench of it is great, therefore go and cast it away, because this is not eatable.
23. Now when it was getting dark, a hunter named Ohikere came with the ant bear upon his neck. And he had been away in the bush since morning time. And he had thought that the Are-echi festival would have come to an end.
24. Now he was going towards his house with the ant bear, but one who met him said, we have not had an ant bear yet and why do you take your own towards your hut? Turn back and go to the palace, for so you could be honoured.
25. And Ohikere turned around and changed his destination. And he was honoured. For he was the first to bring a whole ant bear.
26. Now the homos admired the wisdom of Oyioji who made the Are-echi hunting fairer such that the honest hunter was rewarded rather than the dishonest ones.
27. And Oyioji made a proverb about the matter, saying, whoever hunts like Ohikere in honesty and truth, he shall get a reward of a king.
28. Now Oyioji ruled over Aropisa for twenty-eight years. And his son took over when he was old. And the name of his son who became the head of Aropisa was Opotu.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Those Who Have Been Cured Of Insanity By Men Of God by OtemAtum: 5:45am On Aug 15, 2017
ashjay001:
Well, u try too. But d reality is, those pple were raving mad!? At some point or d other, they had to be restrained, some severally. One had to be placed in a psychatric ward at two different times, in different states!

The difference, I think is, we didnt allow dem to 'escape'. Several of those raving, gutter sleeping, waste eating psychos, actually have lucid moments!

The docs even promised us, one particular one would av to be on drugs till death calls, 3yrs after, nothing! No drugs, no hospice visits, no remission, nothing!

What I've come to realise is, mental health is stigmatised! A lot of families would actually prefer to allow d patient to roam as far away as they can go, than allow them to be associated with their families!

Infact, when a doc suggested a mental institution for a particular patient n I concurred, I was almost cursed! grin
Okay, but which of these Mad people got healed by direct prayers from the pastor you know? I think that's the main focus of this thread actually.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Doctrine Of The Ufos by OtemAtum: 11:22pm On Aug 14, 2017
Chapter One Hundred And Nineteen

1. Now the first son of Ebule was Oyioji, for he gave birth to him at the dry season when he was planting groundnut and cocoyam and potato and pepper upon his farms.
2. For such period was the period which was chosen as the beginning of another season, being after the celebration of the Are-echi festival.
3. Now Oyioji was filled with much wisdom such that he began to write texts with seeds such as bean seeds, maize, grains of pepper and many other things.
4. For he obtained gum from the bark of trees and made up texts which he alone understood at first. For upon the leathers and furs did he stick the grains. And he gathered many homos of the land and taught them wisdom and knowledge.
5. Now Oyioji said, it is not good to force a child into becoming what he does not know how to become. For some have said of their child, you must be a herbalist like your ancestors.
6. And when the child refused, saying, I have no passion for such thing, they took the cane and flogged the child hard.
7. Therefore let your child do the profession which is from his own mind. For you cannot force a fisherman to catch fish even though you forced him to the river.
8. For many have done all forms of pretense to please their parents. And when they are well established and self dependent, they go their own way in the matter of profession. And the parents who forced them at first to do what they do not like got disappointed.
9. And the child has also been delayed. For he should have been perfect in what his mind chose for him at the beginning if he had been allowed to practise it earlier.
10. Has your child chosen to be a fisherman or a blacksmith or even a maker of cloth? Let him or her start it early enough, rather than forcing what he is not good in doing on him or her.
11. Even to be a king should not be pushed on infants. For we have heard how a land pushed a five year old son of their late king to the throne. And the child was easily killed by the chiefs who fight for the position.
12. Therefore let a child be matured before being exposed to elderly things, or else he shall abuse that privilege and become a problem to the world.
13. Now Oyioji was well loved by his people, because he was full of morality. And he detested those who cheated others.
14. And he settled disputes with much wisdom. And he was a giver. And all widows in his days enjoyed because he provided for their needs and made sure they were well taken care of.
15. Now Oyioji did not care much about worshipping any god, but he did not set aside nor cancel the tradition of the land. But he saw it as just a social performance which should not be removed.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Doctrine Of The Ufos by OtemAtum: 10:29pm On Aug 14, 2017
realmindz:
grin so I am a prophet..it's the yahweh's doing. better pay your tithe for more prophecies and blessings of yahweh
grin cheesy grin
Where are the sheeple? They should come and start consulting you ASAP. cheesy
Christianity Etc › Re: The Wise Sayings Of Luwabi: A Moral Man Of The Yoruba Land by OtemAtum(op): 10:00pm On Aug 14, 2017
CHAPTER FIVE

1. Luwabi, the son of Akanbi, who is from the tribe of Akan has written many proverbs. For he has many scribes with him who helped him to write them.
2. Now one homo came to Luwabi and said, where do you get all these proverbs from? Then Luwabi said, every thing which happens in our land, I write them down and then draw out a moral lesson from them. Those moral lessons are the proverbs which you see.
3. Now Luwabi brought out the leaves upon which he had written many things. And in the first bundle of leaves, he had written about Ifayemi who was roasting a corn in his farm. And Ifayemi left the corn and began to hunt for grasshoppers.
4. Now when Ifayemi had ended up gathering many grasshoppers which he would roast for dinner, he discovered that he has gone far away from the corn which he was roasting in his farm.
5. Now when Ifayemi returned to the farm, the east wind had blown the fire upon the grasses in the farm and the whole farm had caught fire.
6. Now from the story of what happened to Ifayemi did Luwabi make up the proverb, saying, anyone who is roasting a corn in the farm should focus on the corn until it is done, because if he wanders away from the farm, both the corn and the farm would be lost forever.
7. And this did Luwabi apply to many aspects of life, saying, if someone is doing anything very sensitive, he should do it with great focus until it is complete. Else he shall lose concentration and gain nothing in the end.
8. Now in the second bundle of leaves, Luwabi wrote the story of Ajasin; now Ajasin was a priest of Ogun. And Ajasin was well-gifted in the making of tools from iron.
9. Now a time came when some homos came from a foreign land and brought with them a thing which can show the image of someone’s face(mirror).
10. Now, because Ajasin has never seen such thing before, he neglected the worship of Ogun his own god and followed after the strangers, asking them that he would do anything they wanted him to do if only they could teach him how to make it.
11. Now the strangers said, first of all, tell all the followers of your god to abandon their god and worship Eresh, our own god.
12. Now Ajasin did so and all his worshippers were gone within few moments. Then the homos gave Ajasin a mirror and he was happy. Now after about five years when Ajasin was tired of the mirror, he went back to all the homos whom he was a priest over, saying, return to the worshipping of Ogun, but they all said, Eresh the god of mirror and reflection is our god.
13. So Ajasin lost all his followers and went after Luwabi to seek counsel. Then Luwabi said, they showed you what they have made and you jumped for joy. Why did you not also show them what you have made by what you believe on?
14. Have they made hoes? Have they made traps to catch the grass-cutters? Can they make the korope? No they cannot, yet you sell your own knowledge so cheaply and abandoned what you can do to listen to them.
15. For every soul has knowledge of his own and no knowledge is superior to another.
16. For if you say that Luwabi does not know the knowledge of curing sicknesses with herbs and you judge me on that, then I will also say that you do not know the knowledge of using words of the lips to cure people’s problems of fear and worry.
17. So I tell you, the knowledge you already have are not to be thrown away because of the knowledge from foreign lands which looks better. For if you develop your own knowledge, you shall do more exploits than them.
18. I Luwabi use no herbs and make no incantations, yet I am always healthy because I know how to think. So Ajasin, value the knowledge you have, even though it looks like a rag to you when another knowledge arrives from foreign land, appearing like a robe.
19. In the third leaves, the thing was arranged in the form of aroko(signs and symbols). And Luwabi said, it is the story of a homo who had a bad habit. But when she was about to get married, she hid her bad habits and after her marriage, she revealed them again.
20. Then her husband was angry with her because she did not talk about that habit or manifest it during her courtship. Now her bad habit was that she cannot do without hissing, even when nothing serious was happening.
21. Now I Luwabi told her, saying, even if you were trying to keep the habit away from your spouse, try to let him know that you have the habit. You can tell him in the form of a joke and he would take it as a joke, but already you have told him. And he will be the one asking you every day you meet, saying, Agboyin, did you not say that you have bad habits? But why have I not seen you hissing since we began this courtship?
22. Then you will reply, my lover, I am trying hard to stop it, that is why. Then that would not be a problem in the future after marriage because he knows that you have that habit, which you do for no reason.
23. So from this did Luwabi bring out the proverb, saying, be clear like the oje(white water) of a botuje leaf.
24. Now in the fourth bundle of leaves did Luwabi write the story of a virgin who was very beautiful. And three men asked her hands in marriage. And the first said, I love you so much Fafunke.
25. I shall marry you, no matter what. Now Fafunke was wise. And she thought to test the three homos to know which one she would agree to take as a husband.
26. Now Fafunke said, some olosa(thieves) came to my my house and defiled me last year. So I am not a virgin again.
27. When the three heard it, two said they will go ahead to marry her, even though she had lost the treasure in her.
28. But one left her and did not return again.
29. Now when the two came again, Fafunke said, the defilement by the olosa has resulted into a baby.
30. Now when Adisa heard it, he left to his house, saying, I cannot take care of a baby. But Fafunke said, if we marry and I give birth, will you not take care of it?
31. Now Amoo came and saw Fafunke in tears. Then Amoo said, why are you shedding tears my lover? Then Fafunke said, because I told Adisa that I have a baby for the thief, Adisa left me and cursed me.
32. Now Amoo said, do you have a baby for the thieves? Then Fafunke said, let me bring it for you to see for yourself. So Fafunke went in to bring a twig she had wrapped in many clothes.
33. And when she came, she did not see Amoo outside anymore. Now Amoo told Ajayi his friend what has happened to Fafunke. And Ajayi said, you did not want to marry her because she was raped? What if it happened when you are already husbands and wives?
34. Then Amoo said, if it happens then I will send her back to her father’s house. Because I cannot bear to live with someone who has been raped.
35. Then Ajayi said, what if the wife you marry suddenly become lame, will you send her packing? Then Amoo said, I will surely send her packing. I cannot be the husband of a lame woman.
36. Then Ajayi said, if that is so, then you cannot be a good husband.
37. Now Ajayi went to woo Fafunke herself. And she said, Ajayi, I have a baby for some thieves who came to rape me last year. Then Ajayi said, Fafunke, I love you.
38. The suku of your head is like the handle of a royal horsetail. Let me be a father to that child.
39. Then Fafunke said, it is a girl. But Ajayi said, whether it is a girl or not, bring it. I shall care for it like my baby. And no one shall know that it is the child of a thief. If you do not tell the child and I do not tell the child, which unfortunate being will tell the child whom she is?
40. Then Fafunke said, what if I do not have any child for you? Will you not tell the child by yourself and send us packing? Then Ajayi said, is it you I love or the child I am expecting you to have for me?
41. No, it is you I love and not the child whom I do not even know if Olodumare Oba ajiki will grant us. And if you have no baby, we will take care of the one we have with us and believe the proverb of our land that says that, the head of another man’s child will bring about the arrival of our own child.
42. Then Fafunke said, what if your family forces you to marry another wife over me? Then Ajayi said, I shall not hear them if both of us have agreed at the beginning that we shall not raise a polygamous family.
43. Now when Fafunke prolonged the matter, Ajayi said, I can no longer wait to see the face of our child. Go inside and fetch it. Then Fafunke smiled and said, I have never felt so loved before by anyone. And I have never loved any man in my life, except Amoo and Adisa. But they have both left me because of what they hear from my mouth.
44. Then Fafunke went inside and fetched the baby. But when Ajayi unfolded it, he found a twig and not a baby. Then Fafunke said, I was only testing the three men, but they have failed.
45. Now when Ajayi took the thing to Amoo and called it the baby of Fafunke, he was surprised. And he came to beg Fafunke but she did not accept her back.
46. So also did Adisa when he heard it, but Fafunke rejected him also. And she married Ajayi, the homo who was ready to see the baby before she would believe the story, because Ajayi knew by thinking deep that Fafunke was only testing the three homos.
47. Now from the story of Fafunke and her suitors did Luwabi fetch the proverb which says, he who searches for a big slice of yam should get to the bottom of the pot. But he who stops half-way shall not know the root of the matter.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Wise Sayings Of Luwabi: A Moral Man Of The Yoruba Land by OtemAtum(op): 9:55pm On Aug 14, 2017
CHAPTER FOUR

1. Every homo has his own eleda, but the ultimate eleda of the children of Odua is Olodumare, the king that is worthy of praise and adoration.
2. No matter how you throw a stone up, it will come down to the ground again. And no matter how you throw a handfan, it will lie on its flat side.
3. So is everyone who forgets his source and go after foreigners. For in the end he shall return to his source.
4. Water and blood are like eko and olele, therefore take enough water to purify your blood.
5. Be wise like a tortoise.
6. When a wise man speaks, the people keep silent and listen, but when a foolish person talks, the people laughs at him.
7. The teeth of an elder knows how to break the kolanut, but the teeth of a child lacks experience.
8. Do not destroy the joy of others. Be happy when others are happy.
9. Ask a friend about his plans for the future. Then help him with making the plans.
10. The game of ayo is the joy of the players. A calabash of wine beside the players will make the joy full.
11. He who runs after shadows shall catch nothing, for shadow itself is nothing.
12. Without light, there can never be shadows. So shall nothing be called good without evil.
13. A long neck does not make a wise homo.
14. The beauty of a face is not the beauty of an intention.
15. Run away from those who gossips all the time, or else the world will hear about you in a bad light if you interact with the gossips all day.
16. Jest when it is time to jest and frown when it is time to frown. For if you frown always without jesting, you are calling for irreversible problems.
17. The world is not exactly as you see it in the physical. The spiritual part of life is even more complicated.
18. Life is too complex to be understood all at once.
19. Life is rigid for those who makes it rigid for themselves. It is simple for those who makes it simple for themselves.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Wise Sayings Of Luwabi: A Moral Man Of The Yoruba Land by OtemAtum(op): 9:51pm On Aug 14, 2017
CHAPTER THREE
1. Habits do not come from Orun; they are made.
2. Habits can ruin, habits can build.
3. Good habits are hard to form but easy to destroy, but bad habits are easy to form and hard to destroy.
4. Therefore when you want to form a habit, sit carefully to consider it before you start to give life to it.
5. For the habits of Eshu are not the habits of the children of Luwabi.
6. Good habits are few but bad habits are many.
7. And both good and bad habits can never be covered.
8. Uphold your culture and do not hate it.
9. Keep the names of your culture, for if you do not keep them, they shall disappear with time.
10. Develop the ability in you, or else they shall die with you.
11. Be wise as the Ifa and be knowledgeable as the gods.
12. For wise people are like the Iroko tree. They are unmoved by the display of the wisdom of others.
13. But the foolish ones will be swept off their feet by the display of the craftiness of others.
14. If you leave the gift of nature in you undeveloped, another homo shall develop his own gift of nature upon yourself.
15. Do not carry the burden that is too much for you to carry. Make your burden lighter when you perceive that they are becoming too much.
16. A homo does not run away from his destiny. If he does, nothing else would work for him.
17. Your dreams are not only the products of your thoughts. They are also the communication of your guardian angels.
18. Don’t disown your child, even when they have damaged your name. But show love until that child is ashamed.
19. Do not marry wives to compete with your friends; for only the number of wives you can care for is enough. And if your farmlands are many, get more labourers to cultivate them rather than getting more wives.
20. Do not bite the fingers that feed you.
21. The wife you have at home is a hundred times better than a concubine you have outside; therefore spend more times with your wife, and you will have no time to spend with a concubine.
22. A good person can be bad and a bad person can be good. But the character of a bad person can change a good person to a bad person easily.
23. Give your money to those who need them; and keep them away from thieves.
24. Be careful when you dig the ground to keep your money. But do not be like the squirrel who keeps his treasure in a place where he shall no more remember that he has kept it.
25. The tears of a wife going to be with her husband is the tears of joy. It is the sweetest tears a homo can shed.
26. Train your child at young age; he will train himself when you are old.
27. Do not sell your girls to a man for marriage when they are not of age. For how shall a little girl know how to keep a family?
28. Let your life be transparent like the oje of a botuje leaf. Do not hide in the dark to do bad and come in the light to do good.
29. Do good anywhere you are, for goodness is God.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Those Who Have Been Cured Of Insanity By Men Of God by OtemAtum: 9:19pm On Aug 14, 2017
ashjay001:
Well, d internet never forgets, so their privacy is paramount(mental illness is still taboo, even if I think otherwise).

Very close! I've witnessed them, provided care for some n assisted payment for some, related n still relate with conquerors of mental illness!?

My dad was n still is a christian prayer warrior tongue


My take on mental illness, irrespective of confirmed hypothesis, is that; d human brain becomes jumbled under duress.

And, we all have different level of critical mass. While some may get jumbled over marriage pressures, some post-partum, some poverty issues, some unfulfilled marital dreams etc To each his own


Though, most experience vast improvements, when removed from those situations that triggered d collapse, and are pampered.
You make sense though, but most of what you explain above doesn't amount to madness yet, but they are mere depressions and when you give them your shoulders to lean on, they tend to improve. What the OP is talking about here is a case of someone who goes naked, drinks gutter water, clinically certified as mad. That's the case we want to talk about and not some depression experiences which is a very common occurrence in our world of today.
Do you know anyone personally who was certified clinically mad, then by prayers through a pastor, the person became instantly healed?
Christianity Etc › Re: Proof That Healing Miracles Are Fake ? (PART 1) by OtemAtum: 7:27pm On Aug 14, 2017
elantraceey:
Wow.... so my name is not so unique after all, I'm nothing like that elantracey though, I love God and will never stop loving him smiley
Even the story of that Elantracey wasn't about hating God, but rather, about relearning what God is and what God is not.
Christianity Etc › Re: How To Be An Atheist by OtemAtum: 4:27pm On Aug 14, 2017
edicied:
Yes true these days i try to be more Objective than Subjective but it's not easy grin
Yes o. Why the xtians and muslims see me as evil is majorly because their own god Yahweh doesn't appear as the first cause but rather as one of the created beings in the compilation of what I know(the doctufos). But they shouldn't have reasoned that way, at least I am not writing things in my own head down, but things I got from a source which has transformed my life and made me what I am now through the opening of my brain to inaccessible stuffs.

But no matter how they rant, it has come to stay and even Yahweh their god and fictitious Jesus cannot do anything about it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Proof That Healing Miracles Are Fake ? (PART 1) by OtemAtum: 4:16pm On Aug 14, 2017
elantraceey:
I don't know about those shows put up on TV and the rest but having experienced and witness healing miracles, I can say with all certainty that healing miracles do happen.
Elantraceyhuh shocked shocked

First time I'd be coming across this name in our homo sapiens age. I thought nobody bears this name anymore but I've just been proven wrong. Here's the song composed by your namesake millions of years back. I hope you aren't her reincarnation though. cool

Doctufos: 8:02pm On Aug 03
A song of Elantracey: My eyes are opening

14. I'm wondering how I never knew that I'm not what I think I am. It's so emotional to know that there are lies beyond my truth.
15. I've been hearing how my own god devoured his foes within a blink. But now I watch how thousands mock my unchangeable god without a care. Is god changing I cannot tell? But they have said he cannot change. It's either he has changed or else he has not done what they said he did, those things in the scrolls of Moussa.
16. I call in vain to god to see and punish those who mocked him bad. The more I pray, the more they grow in strength and intellect. But I hurt myself with tears emotion, yet ne'er setting my god in motion. And then I say it's time to check what they have made me be.
17. It was the most shocking of all adventure when I slept and saw the future. We are evolving in a while from now to something living without religion. The lies of religion are the lies of legions. They make the dull duller and the rich richer. Then I wonder how the lies of religion has stayed for so long.
18. Now I say bye to Yeshua the greatest liar of all time. Maybe your soon is the next fifty millennium. But I plead with nature that the soon of Yeshua should be hidden from my descendants in five centuries away.

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