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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 8:43pm On Jul 11, 2022
ChristoBam:
Maguire is the last player you want caught out against a pacy forward one on one. Which is the situation he'll be in most of the time in a Ten Hag system.
it can work, if de gea can leave is line though
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 8:16pm On Jul 11, 2022
ChristoBam:
Have you seen Tottenham's training? After 2 hours of normal training, they're running till they pass out.

Makes me wonder about our chances of a top 4 finish.
it doesn't mean, I saw it, and that's actually dangerous, son could not stand up. what would it profit you to run and gas out, if you don't work on the technical aspect, like d passes we do.

Train smarter mot just harder.. that kind of intess training in that hot weather is not ideal
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 6:03pm On Jul 11, 2022
melodyogonna:
Why would he do that? Bruno was better at the style Ole wanted to play.
VdB is good in a team that works with movements and positioning, that's his major strength. Hopefully we will see him shine under ETH
simple VDB is a system player... outside of that he's useless, says alot about him. So why do you think bruno will not fit a system if he's trained to fit in.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 2:19pm On Jul 11, 2022
Trevor012:
If you think the problem we had last season was a Dm and not a midfielder capable of keeping possession and able to keep the team ticking when pressed then I really pity you. Sir ole wanted to evolve our style of play and that was not possible with Brainless players like FRED,Mctom and especially Bruno in midfield. For example Pair Ndidi /Kante with Fred plus Bruno and nothing would have changed last season.
Why did you learn darling manager not bench Bruno and play VDB na.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 10:28am On Jul 11, 2022
VDB is not even competing with bruno. cheesy

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 8:06am On Jul 11, 2022
Now ajax want €60m for martinez.. They are doing all this because our coach is making it desperate for these players.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 8:03am On Jul 11, 2022
kozmicity:
grin grin
Everybody dey vex. BTW, bailey and telles looked utterly clueless in the marking drills.

McTominay looked clueless again, but it was to be expected. Till today, I don't know why I like him
it's new to them na, give dem time they'll get it.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 10:10pm On Jul 10, 2022
VDB survived at ajax because he didn't have to be a creator in that system, ajax had a lot of creators in tadic to de jong to ziyech even neres.

Anyway I won't be surprised if Bruno is benched afterall we've a coach that's he'll bent on reunion with ex players, instead of building a new 1.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 9:59pm On Jul 10, 2022
LostMyZeal:
It's baffling that you read all what I wrote and deduced that I've written Bruno off oh. You can check my previous posts about this matter and you'll see that I've been consistent with same message of 'bruno needs to work on his ball retention' - a message which his worshippers no like to hear.

You seem to have me mistaken for someone who hates Bruno oh. And then again, I never really compared Bruno and KDB. I have never compared them.

Feel free to check my previous posts and point out the anomalies and contradictions because at this point I'm confused.

What's even more strange is how you're telling me about Bruno's struggle - like Idg how it's relevant to what I wrote.

Walahi I'm confused grin
VDB play like d ball is hot yam in his mouth.. he plays make he nor spoil for my hand ball.. if VDB was playing AM for us last season, we would even crank 40 goals in the season
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 1:37pm On Jul 10, 2022
Expert17:
The player that can't pass has the highest accurate through pass in EPL for AM and the most key passes In EPL grin cheesy

They should place a bet on VDb benching Bruno
VDB will break his back before he can attempt these passes.. VDB can bench Bruno, butbit won't before footballing reason, maybe bad attitude and all that..
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 1:06pm On Jul 10, 2022
[quote author=ovoP post=114593055] at that beautiful pass rashford fumbled vs villareal last season..

Bruno can pass, shoot has vision.. these were never his problem.. his problem was always trying to force the issue.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 1:02pm On Jul 10, 2022
Trevor012:
You just dey list bunch of average passes. Go and watch Ozil.Kdb, Fabregas etc giving passes before putting Bruno and vision in one sentence. Lukaku of midfielders.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 11:27am On Jul 09, 2022
Trevor012:
There is nothing like Bruno poor display last season. The way Bruno played last season is the same way he has played since he came to United. The only difference is the amount of awoof penalties he didn't get like previous seasons to fool people like you. Technical ability zero, dribbling zero, sense zero.
same guy was balling before we eventually signed ronaldo
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 11:24am On Jul 09, 2022
VDB in that ajax team played like a SS ... he was never burdened with creating for the team.. he plays like lingard, muller etc . If ETH wants to play like that he may start.. There's a reason he wasn't benching anyone in that poor midfield of ours.. because he cannot recieve the ball turn and create for others..
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 11:04am On Jul 09, 2022
Trevor012:
Some people dull sha. The attacking midfielder in a team having the most chances created and assists, what a shocker. The mugu actually thinks he has dropped something sensible cheesy cheesy
should we bring league stats
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 11:03am On Jul 09, 2022
patrickmuf:
Expert17, if you watch Bruno and don't think he has to improve certain aspects of his game then, I can't help you...
part of bruno poor display last season was because of ronaldo self.. instead of passing the ball to the nearest person, he will try d hard pass, cox ronaldo is signalling for the ball.. he stepped back and started looking for ronaldo more instead of doing his thing..

I watched van de beek again yesterday in a ajax match, and I don't see d ball control you talked about. Even berghius that was used to replace him is more technical. If at all the system was used to accommodate him.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 9:01pm On Jul 08, 2022
LostMyZeal:
Ha ha ha.. . I'm guessing dem send General Bruno to go buy Okpa... If not

Some people's midfield goat fa cool
na here we dey.. VDB is then1 at risk for me sha...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 7:59pm On Jul 08, 2022
metodman:
We apparently put in 45m+5m while Ajax wants a guaranteed 50m
bloody overpay
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 6:31pm On Jul 08, 2022
Apparently we put in a €50m bid for martinez which was ajax asking price, now dey want more.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 6:11pm On Jul 08, 2022
TeslaFC:
Players who have good ball control in the squad are the ones most likely to benefit from ETH.

E.g. Sancho, VDB.
Yet he wants to buy brobbey, and we are talking of technical players.. not VDB doesn't have this ball control you're talking of.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 3:57pm On Jul 08, 2022
patrickmuf:
VDB has the advantage of knowing the system and is very good at it so, he'd thrive alongside other players who are comfortable on the ball passing and movement alike...

A midfield 3 of FDJ, VDB and Eriksen will see a lot of intricate plays between them compared to a Bruno who will quickly opt for a difficult ball in search of the striker...In all, VDB chances of starting depends on what ETH does with another potential arrival in Lisandro...

In ETH's system, it's VDB over Bruno regardless of the struggles of VDB last seaaon.
I still don't see VDB starting.. he may have done well that ajax season, but he's a limited player.. man can't play a long pass to save his life.. there's a reason he could never bench Bruno, even in his worse form. He plays too safe.. Eriksen can but I think him and Bruno will play together. Besides eriksen wouldn't be able to press as much.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 3:54pm On Jul 08, 2022
afrodoc:
I like that there is competition in that position. Bruno was too petulant last season and his discipline fell off. I still don't see how VDB gets a starting shirt though he could be a valuable member of the team. With 5 subs per match there should enough opportunities for everyone.
Bruno is a type of player, that if things are not going well, he tries to force the issue.. playing with a midfield with mctominay and Fred, can take its toll on you.. the both of them cannot spread the ball from 1 side of the field to Another with pass, this make him drop deep and start launching those long balls, which where effective when rashford was in form..
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 3:49pm On Jul 08, 2022
patrickmuf:
He might have to settle for a shared role with Eriksen assuming we get all our targets and if ETH elects to play Lisandro as a DM then it's a battle between Eriksen/VDB/Bruno...I don't know who wins but I know who will lose out and it's definitely Bruno unless he modifies his game...
I just know bruno will play, even maguire will play, I think it's in these coaches contracts.. if not we would have waited before given him a new contract.. I don't know why but I don't Rate vdb, unless he's coming to play muller role in the team.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 3:46pm On Jul 08, 2022
patrickmuf:
Let me assume you are right so, why do you think the players coming in will struggle under a competent manager?
I'm not saying they'll struggle, my issue is the price, because If they don't fit in, or if ETH struggles, we'll have our hands full..
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 3:09pm On Jul 08, 2022
patrickmuf:
Abeg stop already. Are you not tired of big name players and so called EPL proven players who have joined us and failed?

See you complaining of Malacia like WTF! You are not tired of Shaw and Telles? One of them will definitely leave...
they failed because we didn't have a competent manager, and the team was disjointed. When dey leave us, they do better
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 3:07pm On Jul 08, 2022
ChristoBam:
You don see the Brobbey grin?
very funny player grin . I like martinez, as Dm OK.. as a CB not sure.. if you watch ajax you would know their defense is often their weakness, which is why they left champions league in the RO16 even if they were scoring loads
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 2:08pm On Jul 08, 2022
Y
TrebleChamp:
Say what shocked, so we should carry Shaw and Telles enter new season huh
This is my issue, average players..

Bro there are other transfer windows for that, we have bigger issues in the team, the deal will only make sense, if we are able to ship out either one of telles or Shaw at a reasonable price... wanbisakka and dalot is a calamity, there is a reason we don't ever attack from the right side and we clog the left side of the pitch

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 12:53pm On Jul 08, 2022
Trevor012:
The same summer where Sterling is going for 45million with one year left in his contract and Leeds are getting 65million for Ralphina, 50million for one of Ajax youngest prospect who they don't want to sell should not be giving you headache.
That's my issue, look away.. Antony isn't the only winger out there.. Antony and sterling are not the same level raphina is prem proven and bigger are more physical.. go watch this same guy against the malacia we just signed, man was marked so hard he got frustrated and got a red card.. is type of wingers are getting outdated self.. inverted wingers are what we should be aiming at, who can add goals to the team.. we have other pressing issues like RB instead we bought a left back we don't even need..
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 12:49pm On Jul 08, 2022
BlaqFaze:
It seems you don't understand...the club had always signed their targets not the coach target...for example Mourinho never wanted Bailley, Sanchez, Pogba, etc
who told you that, Mourinho infact wanted pogba as his primary target.. the club don't just sign, they suggest to the coach, and the coach chooses the target he wants
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 12:30pm On Jul 08, 2022
Trevor012:
Extract from the article for those interested




"""In 2020, Ten Hag praised the Catalan coach for the work he was doing at City but did not refrain from pointing to one mistake his former overhead made during his debut season. Speaking to Voetbal International, he said: "Only once in his career has Pep made a mistake – in his first year at Manchester City when he completely underestimated the power and speed of the Premier League. “He realised that you can't play the kind of football he loves without having a couple of physically strong athletes – and so he
brought them in.” He added: "So he's not a stubborn coach. Yes, he is stubborn in his philosophy, but not in the execution. And that makes him
the best. Nobody will ever forget Guardiola. "He has won so many trophies for a start – but it is mainly about how his teams play. Guardiola only wants to win games with
beautiful football, just like his teacher Johan Cruyff." Aside from the fact that he had a pop at a City manager, United fans will be pleased to hear these comments ahead of Ten
Hag's Premier League debut. He recognised even then that top-flight football in England is a different beast to that played on the
continent. Ten Hag identified an error that so many great managers make when they first arrive, meaning he will be able to tailor his
philosophy and recruitment to suit the cut-and-thrust of the Premier League accordingly. As a result, his ‘bedding in’ process might be shorter than expected meaning the United restoration process can move along at a faster rate.""""


https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-ten-hag-guardiola-24087431
look at his targets, are they the physically strong specimen he suggested here?

His ex players are pushing for the move because its United and they'll probably double or triple their current pay at ajax
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 12:29pm On Jul 08, 2022
Ellexy:
So in summary what you mean is you don't want the board to get the coach his targets rather whatever players the scouts suggest?

E be things.
ETH can suggest players, but they should be scrutinize, imaging paying even 50m for Antony
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ovoP(m): 12:28pm On Jul 08, 2022
Trevor012:
Ovop This is the article on Eth talking about how Pep underestimated the speed and Power of the premier league in his first season. The man already knows what to expect.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8304753/Ajax-boss-Erik-ten-Hag-reveals-Pep-Guardiola-struggled-England.html
na sit down look i dey, but if it doesn't work, we will have another set of overpaid talents, we will be looking to offload..

My issue is we re paying premium price for these players

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