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Abdulgaffar22:
A VERY SIMPLE WISDOM TO RECOGNIZE THE ONLY TRUE FAITH APPROVED BY GOD.


If you do NOT believe in God OR you do NOT believe in any faith (or spiritual path), please kindly leave this thread because what is written below is NOT meant for you.


However, if you really BELIEVE in God and you really BELIEVE that there is only one faith (or spiritual path) that is approved by this God, then take your time and carefully follow the LOGICAL ANALYSIS explained below . It is a very simple and direct analysis. But if you think the analysis is wrong, please kindly state with reason(s) which of the THREE LOGICAL PREMISES explained below is not true.


Before you continue, please do not forget that we have already accepted TWO FACTS;
1 God really exist
2. There is only one faith (or spiritual path) approved by this God.

You can now proceed to read the premises cited below ;

# PREMISE 1. The original author of a book is the right and appropriate person to give a NAME to that book. The original author of a movie is the right and appropriate person to give a NAME or TITLE to that movie. Again, the original author or the maker of a car is the right and appropriate person to give a NAME to that car. Furthermore, the original author or founder of a school is the right and appropriate person to give a NAME to that school. Also, the original author or founder of a company is the right and appropriate person to give a NAME to that company. Therefore, using the same analogy, the ORIGINAL AUTHOR OR FOUNDER of a faith (or any spiritual path) is the right and appropriate person to give a NAME to that faith ( or spiritual path).



# PREMISE 2. Therefore, if God is really the ORIGINAL AUTHOR/ FOUNDER of any faith (or spiritual path) that has a SCRIPTURE, then as we have established above from Premise 1, giving a NAME to such a faith (or spiritual path) by God Himself in that very SCRIPTURE is exactly what we are EXPECTING


OBJECTION ; According to Premise 1, the right and appropriate person to give a NAME to everyone of us is God our creator. But our NAMES were either given by our parents or guardians. Therefore, in a much similar sense, the NAME of a faith that was authored or founded by God can also be given by the FIRST SET OF PEOPLE that believe in that faith. Hence, Premise 2 seems to be wrong.


REPLY; Yes, being our Creator, God is the right and appropriate person to give us our NAMES in accordance with Premise 1. But since God has chosen not to speak to us directly, there is no way for God to announce our NAMES to the world. Therefore, God has to put our NAMES in the minds of our parents or guardians. Hence, indirectly, it was still God (our Creator ) that give us NAMES .
But in case of faith (or spiritual path) that was authored or founded by God, there is a way for God Himself to announce its NAME directly to the world. That is, by way of revelation in the Holy scriptures. Therefore there is NOTHING wrong with premise 2.



# PREMISE 3 However, with the exception of ONLY ONE FAITH, the NAMES of all the major faiths (or spiritual paths) in the world are NO WHERE to be found in their scriptures.


Simply put, the word "HINDUISM" is no where to be found in the scriptures (i:e Vedas and Upanishads) used by the Hindus.

Again, the word "BUDDHISM" is no where to be found in the scriptures (i:e the Sutras) used by the Buddhists.

Furthermore, the word "CHRISTIANITY" is no where to be found in the scriptures (i:e the Bible) used by the Christians.

Similarly, the word "JUDAISM" is no where to be found in the scriptures (i:e the Torah) used by the Judaists.

Hence, follows from the Premise 2 explained above, this simply shows that God is NOT the original author or founder of all these faiths (or spiritual paths).


The only exception we have is ISLAM.


ISLAM is the ONLY faith on earth that satisfied the EXPECTATION made mention above in the Premise 2 . That is to say, the word "ISLAM" is found on the many pages of the scripture ( i:e the Qur'an) used by the Muslims. For example, Qur'an 5:3 read as follows;

"This day, I (God ) have perfected your faith for you, and I (God) have completed MY favour upon you, and I(God) have chosen for you ISLAM as your faith".



OBJECTION; Yes Islam seems to satisfy the expectation made mention above in the Premise 2. But how are we really sure that it was actually God (and not an impostor ) that really SPOKE this very verse of Qur'an ?


REPLY; Remember that we have already accepted two facts; God really exist and there is ONLY ONE FAITH approved by this God. So our aim is to know the only true faith approved by God (i:e the only faith that SATISFY THE EXPECTATION made mention in Premise 2).
Since Islam has satisfied this very EXPECTATION (because a verse of Qur'an contains the word "ISLAM" and the verse SEEMS [ i:e appear outwardly and contextually ] to be coming directly from God's mouth) and all other faiths do not satisfy the same expectation, then we have already achieved our aim. Therefore, whether the speaker in the Qur'an is actually God or not does not concern us.

Knowing the identity of the speaker in the Qur'an ( i:e knowing whether Qur'an is really the word of God or not) is another topic on its own which is quite different from the topic we are treating in this analysis. If the topic we are treating in this analysis is "knowing whether Qur'an is really the word of God or not", then the atheists would not be asked to leave the thread at the beginning.
So the analysis is not actually meant to prove that Qur'an is the word of God.The analysis is only meant to show that if God really exist and there is only one faith approved by this God, then this faith could not have been any other faith except ISLAM. Hope it is clear !


If the NAME of the faith embraced by the Muslims is not Islam but "muhammedanism" (which is analogous to Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and others), then the faith of the Muslims would not be qualified again to be the only true faith approved by God. This is because the word "Muhammedanism" is no where to be found in the Qur'an.

But God Almighty Himself has carefully coined the word "ISLAM" so that Islam would continue to remain as the NAME of only faith that ever came from God.

The word "Islam" means ; submission to the will of God (see Qur'an 2:112). Those who submit in this manner are called Muslims (i:e submitters to the will of God).

Therefore, logically speaking, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Isaac, Jacob and the likes can be called Muslims (i:e submitters to the will of God) without any problem. Hence, we can say conveniently that they practice Islam (i:e they submit to the will of one true God).


Hence, Islam is not the religion of the Qur'an alone, nor is the name of a faith started by prophet Muhammad. Rather, ISLAM (i:e submission to God's will) is the NAME of the faith ever brought by all the true prophets of God. However, the ceremonial content of this ISLAM may differ slightly from one prophet to another just like the syllabus contents of Mathematics differ slightly from one school level to another.

Premise 1
This is wrong because Allah did not give you your name even though he created you.
Premise 2
Wrong because premise 1 is wrong.
My question
Can a stone forgive SINS?
Please give me a very short answer.

Abdulgaffar22:
Enilove


You refused to explain how Christianity conform with my premises.

If you believed that God can establish all those CEREMONIAL mode of worship for the followers of Moses why do you think it is idolatry for such mode of worship to be established for followers of Muhammad ? God has promised to send a prophet LIKE MOSES in Deuteronomy 18:18. So such ceremonial mode of worship in the message brought by Muhammad should not be strange to us.

I have a simple question for you, can a stone forgive sin?
Yes or No, just a short answer at worst.

Abdulgaffar22:
@ Paabakp


Allah says;
Fight against those [/b]who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), [b]until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued (Qur'an 9:29).
The verse commanded the Islamic state to fight the Jews and Christians who were living in the Muslim territories UNTIL they pay Jizya (tax). If they pay this tax, then they will continue to live in PEACE and enjoy the security laid down by the Islamic state. This Jizya paid by the Jews and Christians is EQUIVALENT to zaqat paid by the Muslims. So what is your problem concerning the Jizya imposed on the Jews and Christians who decided to live under Islamic state.

This is tasfir of ibn kathir

(Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.) Therefore, when People of the Scriptures disbelieved in Muhammad, they had no beneficial faith in any Messenger or what the Messengers brought. Rather, they followed their religions because this conformed with their ideas, lusts and the ways of their forefathers, not because they are Allah's Law and religion. Had they been true believers in their religions, that faith would have directed them to believe in Muhammad, because all Prophets gave the good news of Muhammad's advent and commanded them to obey and follow him. Yet when he was sent, they disbelieved in him, even though he is the mightiest of all Messengers. Therefore, they do not follow the religion of earlier Prophets because these religions came from Allah, but because these suit their desires and lusts. Therefore, their claimed faith in an earlier Prophet will not benefit them because they disbelieved in the master, the mightiest, the last and most perfect of all Prophets. Hence Allah's statement,
قَـتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلاَ بِالْيَوْمِ الاٌّخِرِ وَلاَ يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلاَ يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَـبَ
(Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture,) This honorable Ayah was revealed with the order to fight the People of the Book, after the pagans were defeated, the people entered Allah's religion in large numbers, and the Arabian Peninsula was secured under the Muslims' control. Allah commanded His Messenger to fight the People of the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, on the ninth year of Hijrah, and he prepared his army to fight the Romans and called the people to Jihad announcing his intent and destination. The Messenger sent his intent to various Arab areas around Al-Madinah to gather forces, and he collected an army of thirty thousand. Some people from Al-Madinah and some hypocrites, in and around it, lagged behind, for that year was a year of drought and intense heat. The Messenger of Allah marched, heading towards Ash-Sham to fight the Romans until he reached Tabuk, where he set camp for about twenty days next to its water resources. He then prayed to Allah for a decision and went back to Al-Madinah because it was a hard year and the people were weak, as we will mention, Allah willing.
Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr and Disgrace
Allah said,
حَتَّى يُعْطُواْ الْجِزْيَةَ
(until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam,
عَن يَدٍ
(with willing submission), in defeat and subservience,
وَهُمْ صَـغِرُونَ
(and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. Muslim recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said,
«لَا تَبْدَءُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى بِالسَّلَامِ، وَإِذَا لَقِيتُمْ أَحَدَهُمْ فِي طَرِيقٍ فَاضْطَرُّوهُ إِلَى أَضْيَقِه»
(Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley.) This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace. The scholars of Hadith narrated from `Abdur-Rahman bin Ghanm Al-Ash`ari that he said, "I recorded for `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, the terms of the treaty of peace he conducted with the Christians of Ash-Sham: `In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. This is a document to the servant of Allah `Umar, the Leader of the faithful, from the Christians of such and such city. When you (Muslims) came to us we requested safety for ourselves, children, property and followers of our religion. We made a condition on ourselves that we will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk, nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration nor use any of them for the purpose of enmity against Muslims. We will not prevent any Muslim from resting in our churches whether they come by day or night, and we will open the doors of our houses of worship for the wayfarer and passerby. Those Muslims who come as guests, will enjoy boarding and food for three days. We will not allow a spy against Muslims into our churches and homes or hide deceit or betrayal against Muslims. We will not teach our children the Qur'an, publicize practices of Shirk, invite anyone to Shirk or prevent any of our fellows from embracing Islam, if they choose to do so. We will respect Muslims, move from the places we sit in if they choose to sit in them. We will not imitate their clothing, caps, turbans, sandals, hairstyles, speech, nicknames and title names, or ride on saddles, hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons. We will not encrypt our stamps in Arabic, or sell liquor. We will have the front of our hair cut, wear our customary clothes wherever we are, wear belts around our waist, refrain from erecting crosses on the outside of our churches and demonstrating them and our books in public in Muslim fairways and markets. We will not sound the bells in our churches, except discretely, or raise our voices while reciting our holy books inside our churches in the presence of Muslims, nor raise our voices with prayer at our funerals, or light torches in funeral processions in the fairways of Muslims, or their markets. We will not bury our dead next to Muslim dead, or buy servants who were captured by Muslims. We will be guides for Muslims and refrain from breaching their privacy in their homes.' When I gave this document to `Umar, he added to it, `We will not beat any Muslim. These are the conditions that we set against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and protection. If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.'''

Is ibn kathir a liar?

Bring the tasfir of a scholar that agree with your explanation of Quran 9:29

Or you are an innovator

Abdulgaffar22:
@Paabakp

Fighting the idol worshippers that REFUSE to accept and worship the only true God is not something that started with Islam. This has been the WAY OF GOD from the beginning.
See below the biblical evidence for KILLING those who REFUSED to accept the God of Israel :

"And whoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel was to be PUT TO DEATH, whether small or great, whether man or woman (2nd Chronicles 15:13) ".

Fight those who (do) not believe in Allah and not in the Day the Last, and not they make unlawful what Allah has made unlawful and His Messenger, and not they acknowledge (the) religion (of) the truth, from those who were given the Scripture, until they pay the jizyah willingly, while they (are) subdued.

So according to you "people of the book" are "idol worshippers".

Why quote a corrupt man-made book to explain the word of Allah, let the word of Allah speak for itself. I taught Allah's book came to correct the evil man-made corruption in the bible.

Do you agree with the Quran to fight people of the book "until they pay the jizyah, while they are subdued"?

Sure 9:29
Fight those who (do) not believe in Allah and not in the Day the Last, and not they make unlawful what Allah has made unlawful and His Messenger, and not they acknowledge (the) religion (of) the truth, from those who were given the Scripture, until they pay the jizyah willingly, while they (are) subdued.

Before you say it does mean what it says clearly, kindly bring your tasfir that agree with your opinion.

The most popular chapter quoted for defense of compulsory tithing is mal 3. But can we all kindly start the studying of Malachi from chapter 2. U will discover that the people God was talking to was the levites, because it was there work to bring food to the store house. Also tithe is not money and can never be money, it is food, In the bible times silver was used as money and God instructed the levites to bring food to the store house (not silver or gold). The people only bring food to the gathering point chosen by a levite, it is the levites that carry food to the store house. In the bible times there where levites and priest, the levites (ordained by God, and a tribe of ishrael) collect from the tithe from the people and give to the priest that is in charge of the store house. My questions are:
Are pastors levites (ordained by God, and a tribe of ishrael) to collect tithe?
Is money a tithe offering? If yes kindly quote the verse that specify money as tithe
Did the apostles pay tithe?

FriendNG:
Not christian jews use saturday while christian use sunday just differ because they believe the old law is not meant to be followed with new testament.


Are you using that as excuse some Islamic countries use that system of saturday and sunday. Why are you referencing them? You should also reference them when Osun Kano and Oyo declared a public holiday and dont cry of Islamization when 56 days a year goes to you pple.

Left to me all these public holidays are wrong. Both the Christians n Muslims.
What should be practise is that staff can take leave on those days.
By ph I mean Xmas, new year, Ramadan (big or small) any of such hol.
Also point of correction not all Christians use Sunday's, some use Saturday.
I am using those countries bcus they are relevant to this issue and must be referenced. I am using them as fact to back my argument.

FriendNG:
We are not those Muslim countries. We are in a country where anything that has to do with Islam is = to Islamization.


As far as declaring Islamic new year public holiday in some start means Islamization then christian are number one to be blame of Christianizing us as a country.

1st January is for what. 52 days a year for christian celebration clearly indicated in the Wikipedia page.

If a Muslim Country from your previous statement can observe Sunday as weekend and Friday as workday does it make them Christianize?
Also from your previous statement Christians observe one day as Sabbath which can be Saturday, does it make Saturday a christain holiday?

FriendNG:
[b]Are we asians? [/b]Gerarahia, go and worship and drink Kanu urine. Lost sheep empty headed brain.

Some muslim countries are no longer practicing the shit on sunday. You can only fool your fellow illiterate sheep about sunday holiday.


Sunday is the "day of rest and worship". Jewish Shabbat or Biblical Sabbath lasts from sunset on Friday to the fall of full darkness on Saturday; as a result, [

the weekend in Israel is observed on Friday–Saturday.

Some Muslim-majority countries historically had a Thursday–Friday or Friday–Saturday weekend; however, recently many such countries have shifted from Thursday–Friday to Friday–Saturday, or to Saturday–Sunday.

The Christian Sabbath was just one day each week, but the preceding day (the Jewish Sabbath) came to be taken as a holiday as well in the twentieth century. This shift has been accompanied by a reduction in the total number of hours worked per week, following changes in employer expectations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workweek_and_weekend

Kindly be consistent with your submission so that i properly address your grievance.
"Some Muslim-majority [/b]countries historically had a Thursday–Friday or Friday–Saturday weekend; however, recently many such countries have shifted from Thursday–Friday to Friday–Saturday, or to[b] Saturday–Sunday." Have muslims majority countries been Christianize?

"The Christian Sabbath was just one day each week, but the preceding day (the Jewish Sabbath) came to be taken as a holiday as well in the twentieth century. This shift has been accompanied by a reduction in the total number of hours worked per week, following changes in employer expectations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workweek_and_weekend [/b][/quote]" from this quote, it means it most not be sunday"
so what is your grievance?

FriendNG:
Look at this fool. We are not Arabs we are Nigerians. How can arab decision be a law to us. The Arab you hate are the ones you are referencing here?


Shut u your unbrushed teeth denying the undeniable fact. Hypocrite like you will start calling Islamization shall sunday be removed form public holiday.



For most Christians, Sunday is observed as a day of worship and rest, holding it as the Lord's Day and the day of Christ's resurrection. In some Muslim countries and Israel, Sunday is the first work day of the week. According to the Hebrew calendars and traditional Christian calendars, Sunday is the first day of the week.[1] However, according to the International Organization for Standardization ISO 8601, Sunday is the seventh and last day of the week.[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday



Shameless illiterate.

pls how do explain china, japan, are they also Christianize?

Kindly help with names and location of popular restaurants and canteens in Surulere, Ikeja/Maryland, and Lekki.
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MalcoImX:
On what authority are you questioning what's been presented? Can you question a data in the absence of contrary facts? Have you with all sincerity pinned down what was exactly referred (that portion being on terrorists and criminals) without any investigation? Even if you're correct on the BH thing, does the statement limit itself to BH? Do you even have antecedents of being a fair analyst, having skewed the narrative to suit your preconceived ideas.

When I listened to the broadcast, i also asked myself the same question 'what happened 18 months ago'.
Just because one loves Buhari does not mean one can not ask genuine questions.
If you know the answer kindly provide it I will be grateful.
Thanks.

naijalander:
Yorubas fought wars on multiple fronts for generations. I swear I've had till here with these comments.

The Biafra war was very unnecessary.
How can someone go into war with somebody that feeds you?
I wonder what kind of military training Ojukwu had.
You started a war with the north, and the capital of Nigeria was in the west.
Common sense should have told him that he should have secured allegiance of west before embarking on the suicide mission.
That is the main reason the northerners removed capital from Lagos, so that Nigeria will belong to them and not the yorubers.
This is the biggest mistake Ojukwu made (Fighting the wrong enemy).
Now Ipobs chose to fight the yorubers this time, when there enemy is far north and within them (SE politicians).

Ngokafor:
...Shut up pls.

I can see you have no suitable answer to constructive criticism.

Ngokafor:
...You are just spitting rubbish left,right centre...I dont know why talking rubbish has become the past- time.for most of you..

...Are yorubas the only one who have companies that can deny Igbos employement??...Dont we have Igbo businees men and women who can do such in every single state in this country??..both small and large scale companies??.I am here in PH and i know a number of Igbo business that employed yorubas....Genesis Group owned by a man from Anambra has a number of yorubas working for them...Yet i know most Yoruba companies hardly employ Igbos...Igbos employed are usually chased out with witchcraft by their yoruba colleagues..

..Oiil companies are now known as a haven for diabolical powers,jazz and witchraft because of the presence of yorubas whose past time is killing of non-yorubas here or preventing them from getting employement,or even promotion..That was the first thing i was told by those from SS when i was posted from Abuja to PH..

...u lots sit in your dungeon and complain about 'insult'...yet Nairaland threads are littered with insults from you lots against Igbos...If Igbos are to judge yorubas by the insults they heap on Igbos,then Yorubas in Ph should be chopping sand because of hunger,but no!!.. they are every where,working in Igbo-owned companies,left right centre..

..With this rubbish from you,i think a sensitisation should begin here in PH to stop employing Yorubas..Its high time you lots are paid back in your own coins..

..The average yoruba is extremely wicked and self-centred...rubbish

He raise some serious issues you are ignoring. currently, most of your businesses and property are in Nigeria, most of your food comes from Nigeria. Nigeria used starvation to win the first war, at least common sense should let you guys solve that problem first before embarking on another struggle for freedom from this bondage called Nigeria.

allcomage:
while they keep us busy hating igbo,they continue to drain our resources and polluting our environment. this calls for common sense.nigeria gave us 13,% and biafra is offering us at least 50%.are minorities not supposed to queue up and be in the forefront to actualize biafra project. imagine 85%of our oil is owned by the north and sw constitutes majority of oil personnel.do we have the cohesion needed to champion resource control? we are about to miss another opportunity presented to us on a platter of gold. ss nationalities wake up from your slumber. so we don't want to be like other oil producing countries like Dubai Oman Bahrain Qatar etc?i know the n and sw are laughing at us as fools behind us.

I believe it is possible for the whole of south south to go there separate ways also too and own 100% of there oil.
Why share when you can own everything.
As u said 'biafra is offering us at least 50%', this is what biafra is all about.

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Blacksmith, nice write up.
my questions are,

Was Saraki notified about the discrepancies?

Is there any stipulated time for response to any CCB allegation?

If he was notified and he refuses to respond to CCB what is the next move?

Did Saraki not go air to deny all CCB allegations?

Is that admissible in court?