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morpheus24: There goes the SA apologist again?

Speak for your country men who can't even name more than 2 African capitals including Gaborone and Harare!

They will probably still claim capital of Nigeria is Lagos!

Eisshh!

Spare me the pretense. Nigerians are all-round fraudsters, you even fake silly things like having knowledge of capital cities while we know that the majority of Naijas have no clue of the SA capital, they most likely think that it's Hillbrow.

Sibling rivalry.

magubane: Ask a south african middle class tenager (well atleast those iv asked) how many countries in the'll tell you about Zimbabwe and nigeria only.

Most Africans know little about Africa including Nigerians.

That's nice.

morpheus24: Xenophobe reserved for South Africans. I am in no fear of any foreigner. There aren't any in my country to be fearful of.

Does my grasp of the inner workings of your society drive you crazy?

Morpheus says " come with me let me show you how deep the rabbit hole goes"

Right, xenophobe is reserved for South Africans who have to rely on the likes of Morpheus to tell a Motswana to leave SA. When SA issues new visa rules the very same Morpheus cynically claims that the aim is to purge Africans with some few white casualties but the SA government extends visa permits for Zims basically nullifying his "grasp of the inner workings of (our) society". We must now wait to see if Morpheus will also demand that Zimbabweans also leave to go pride themselves at Mugabes doorstep.

You don't have much of a grasp of our society, you merely regurgitate facts that are readily available. You normally faulter when you try to add analysis to the facts, that's when your lack of understanding shows. I think it's the pretentiousness that I find offputting.

morpheus24: It is also well known in debating circles that "straw man arguments" are used to sway away from the original argument being addressed.

Imagine a Liberian with a Yoruba mother demanding that Kanuri's who live in the border states of Borno state leave the country based on ethnic tensions in the north.

Must Morpheus always decipher for the feeble minded.

Ask and you shall get clarification.

Try harder!

The illeist in you has once again come out. It usually makes an appearance as a last ditch attempt to rescue you wounded ego. It's a lot like using monkey tested medicine to treat a not yet curable illness - in this case it's your delusions of grandeur.

Morpheus should not decipher for this feeble mind of mine, Morpheus should rather stop paying lip service to phoney ideas of Pan-Africanism when he very well knows that he is a closet xenophobe.

morpheus24: The South African apologist at work again.

1. Please do not mis-represent, mis-quote or mis-interpret "outside of its context", passed statements made in other threads in a feeble attempt to advance this one. Ask if you need further clarification.

Not at all. Your meta- morphoses has happended all in this thread. It's more of a flip-flop actually.

2. Apparently bantu education has forced you to reason that a display of "Pan-Africanism" and a comment on "national pride" are mutually exclusive ideologies in the African context.

It's well known in debating circles that ad hominems are used by the defeated. Anyway, your desire for national pride inadvertently reveals your xenophobic tendencies. Imagine the hypocrisy of a South African preaching unity among Africans and yet demanding that Nigerians should leave SA to go pride themselves in a dirty slum of Lagos because it's home. Try again.

One moment moffie justifies his infatuation with SA by saying that he is African and by that viture he finds himself duty-bound to have puppy love for all things African, with a strong focus on all things South African. He also now says that Africans should be "proud of their nationalities" that were artificially carved out by imperialist from an all together different continent. Bipolar tendencies.

morpheus24: Look, I don't conjour stuff up when I make statements and your apologist stance is not flying. My time at limpopo made me very much aware of tribal issues surrounding the ar descendants of Shoshangane, Mzilikazi and Zwangendaba clans who are Tsonga, Ndebele and Zambia/malawi respectively. Yes we know your 11 official languages in South Africa include two of these groups but please don't try to slip the fact that many of them were and are still considered foreigners despite the shared tribal affinities.

Hahahahahaha, you are completely lost. Where in Limpopo did you go? LOL. Like I said, I am now tired of correcting you.

I wish that were true but seeing that the son of a congolese man and a South african woman who ends up speaking fluent zulu is looked upon as a foreigner in the eyes of locals,I doubt your statment very much so.

Since when does an anecdote reflect the entire social mindset? Our government announced yesterday that they'll be extending permits for the hundreds of thousands of Zims to remain in SA for a few more years. Nobody is complaining.

Right because most of them didn't all confluence themselves in certain sections of the townnship and wouldn't be easily identifiable by locals regardless of the ability to speak local languages.

LOVEMORE SIBANDA sure got away with being beat up because he switched from Ndebele to Zulu!!. HA Whackhead is hilarious

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Correct.

Anyway, I have long given up on explaining xenophobia(save for correcting serious inaccuracies like misrepresenting the Zim population). Nevertheless the evidence is overwhelming for those of us who live in this society: those from Zim and Moz find it harder than those from Bots and other neighbours. Simple.

morpheus24: Point 1. So from the above statement we are to understand that the ethnic xenophobia is channeled at "Shona" Zimbabweans as opposed to ndebele Zimbabweans. Right, right!

That's correct. The only way to prove otherwise is to show evidence of Ndebele from Zim being ostracised. There aren't that many Ndebele people around anyway and most of them end up speaking Zulu in anycase cause the languages are almost identical.

Point 2. I guess now I can also use this glorious epiphany to understand why for a long time the minority "venda" people were almost considered makwerekwere's or not "real" South africans once upon a time because their language is not widely spoken in SA.

Please! spare me that dribble.

Also correct. Venda is similar to Shona and there are Venda communities living in Zim.

What you must understand is that language is what unites or divides. So if you as a Naija were fluent in Zulu/Xhosa or Sotho/Tswana then everyone in SA will consider you local. Most Shonas from Zim quickly learn Zulu because it's related to Shona and they all fit in easily afterwards.

If you were clued up as you would like us to think you would know that most of those killed in 2008 were asked questions in one of the local languages and if they couldn't answer back then they were revealled to be foreign and they got attacked.

morpheus24: Point 1: Everybody always accuses me of knowing everything about SA, yet at the end of the day no one says the information I am giving is incorrect. Hmmmmm?

LOL, that's a really funny comment. I've grown tired of correcting your misconceptions of South Africa. I have once told you that the majority of Zimbabweans are Shona and that the minority Ndebele blend in with the South Africa Ndebele without difficulty so it's difficult to discern if they are foreign. Like I have told you before, there is no evidence that Ndebele from Zim, Batswana from Bots, Swatis from Swaziland and Basotho from Lesotho ever get ostracised in SA. That's because they blend in.

But being so obsessed about another country will understandably lead you to believe that you know more about it than its citizens.

What happened to the hate?

morpheus24: Tis the same sin we have to live with with the designation "drug dealer" when practically the percentage of people that do this relative to 150 million people is minuscle. Such is life.

Ps I never said Shona outnumbered the Ndebele. What I said is the Ndebele are closely related to the zulu, share the same ancestors and share the same experiences concerning settler experiences so technically they can be considered South African in terms of "experience"

Nigerians abroad are synonymous with drug dealing and illicit activities but there are upstanding, educated and law-abiding Nigerians scattered among the rot in many countries across the world. I know a few personally, two are academics at the local varsities.

There's a large population of Ndebele people in SA and they are know for their colourful clothes and houses. And Ndebele is one of the 11 official languages. Ndebeles from Zimbabwe and Batswana from Botswana have never really experienced any xenophobia, a sign that they are considered part of the people of South Africa. It all has to do with language - if you speak one of the local languages then you are considered local.

Edit. same for Swatis from Swaziland and Basotho from Lesotho.

morpheus24: Ahh paniki, always the apologist.

Don't mind me. I've just resigned myself to the fact that Naijas will forever call out the events of 2008. A lot like how black people in SA always bring up apartheid everytime there's some issue with white people.

And the people of Zimbabwe are mainly Shona not Ndebele

ATTENTION sostoz!!!!!!

Don't bother explaining the 2008 xenophobic attacks in this forum, many of us have tried with no success. It's just something that Naijas will harp on for centuries to come.

What matters is that SA continues to welcome foreigner who do things legit.
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Most-immigrants-to-SA-from-Zimbabwe-20140715

all4naija: Thank you for telling the truth as it is. You know that right from time. I am not really happy over that because it is something I already know about.

Tell me something about how the most developed and overrated country in Africa fair against the true GIANT of Africa.

The most developed country? All4naija is that you or has your account been hacked?

BluIvy: Actually I get irritated when people especially foreigners intentionally want to separate black SA from coloureds. Its the job of the apartheid masters and no one should add to it.

Like this pathetic fool who is coming here yabbing rubbish about Khoisan s vs Xhosa's.the fool is eating out of some white persons rubbish bin and come here to nonsense.

You should not get irritated because it's South Africans who identify themselves that way. Every time we fill in some form or the other there will be a section asking if we're black, white, coloured, indian or other. And all of us are happy to select. StatsSA asked the question in the 2011 census and 9% of the population chose to identify themselves as coloured not necessarily because they are mixed-race but more because they view themselves as belonging to the coloured culture.

all4naija: I want you to say your mind than being afraid of me. You are in a free world, man. I won't bite that much. Speak-up, mate!

LOL. Ok, Nigeria is the undisputed giant of Africa. Happy?

BluIvy: Look Mr Panike, The question was outnumbered by whom? coloured not whites. Now that I am sure you got that, I did not need your long epistle about SA politics. Thank you!

But you failed to see the obvious so it was my duty to break it down for you.

Your question gave me the idea that you did not think black people are out-number in WC. And your patronising comment advised me to not speak about stuff I don't understand hence I started off by telling you that I don't post unsubstantiated rubbish. Maybe you should not be quick to attack next time. Otherwise all love little war.

BluIvy: Outnumbered by whom, exactly? If you are going to
speak on issues understand them first.

Morpheus24 who I have debated for a few years now on this forum will tell you that I'm not the kind to post unsubstantiated rubbish. StatsSA tells us that there are 32 black people out of every 100 people in WC. That means that they are out-numbered by other races. DA would not win elections in WC if black people made up the majority population of WC. There's a reason why they fear black people from Eastern Cape and call them all sorts of names.

all4naija: Is that all you can say?

What else do you want me to say?

That's nice

morpheus24: THe only irony that I see is that most of the examples you have enumerated above are situations that are prevalent outside the "power" range of the Western cape and so will this particular law which will affect a majority of refugee/immigrants who reside predominantly outside of the western cape while a majority of the investors/expatriates/tourists as usual will find refuge in the legal wranglings that will be accomodating in this province.

I think that you don't know what you are talking about. Much of the power in South Africa is centred in Gauteng province, that's the economic and political hub of SA and the province in which most of South Africa's white population lives. Gauteng province is home to Pretoria where political power is based and Johannesburg where economic power is based. The beauty and oddity of Cape Town has cleary hypnotised you into believing made up rubbish. A lot of your posts give the impression that you consider Western Cape to be some special economic zone separate from South Africa. Please note that it is a province just like any other in SA, it only has a white leader because black people are out-number by coloured people who make up half the population of that province and they feel that the black national government is focusing too much on uplifting black people while ignoring them. Many of them throw out comments such as "back in apatheid we were not white enough, now we are not black enough".

One issue that Cape Town continues to succeed with is keeping parliament there. Everytime there are suggestion that parliament should be moved to Gauteng to save government cost, the city of Cape Town and chamber of commerce complain that this would wipe out billions from the Cape economy. So they continue to have it there and all the government people who are based in Gauteng have to fly to Cape Town on a regular basis to attend committee meetings and other functions of governance. This helps keep hotels and other touristy places busy.

Otherwise there isn't much power in Western Cape. Major decisions don't get made there with the exception of parliament decisions and a few big companies like Shoprite that are headquartered there but have most of their administrative employees based in Gauteng. Cape Town is just a place for rich people to live in expensive houses and enjoy the sea view with the mountain backdrop.

morpheus24: Oh they are gonna do more than moan and groan, seeing that they have the finances and higly qualified lawyers, they usually end up watering down the laws for "their" people as usual and the ruling party usually buckles under that financial power pressure. In the end the laws will target the less affluent and less priviledged which is what they are intended to do in the first place in the guise of "reforming" immigration laws.

I am African by birth, by descent, by heritage, by blood and by ancestry. Everything that happens on this continent should concern me or shouldn't it?

Educate yourself or continue wallowing in ignorance about the continent.

You are a true African. Unfortunately the majority of Africans don't concern themselves with what happens in far-flung places, unless it's extremely out of the ordinary(the lack of participation in this thread proves it). You have posted yourself that most Nigerians have no clue about South Africa and only know what their Igbo brothers tell them. I agree.

Please don't give whites too much credit, they can't use money to change laws. I can give you many examples where they have failed while you can give one or two where they have succeded. The recent e-toll litigation lasted several years with them losing. It's only after the ruling party lost some votes from the black middleclass in the May election that they are now promising to review it. Do you want more examples? Perhaps the land reform laws or black economic empowerment? They are forever challenging the employment equity laws which forces companies to hire black people. Just google "affirmative action killed babies" to see for yourself. Tell me if you want more example.

Apatheist: It concerns us if these clicking things from the Eastern Cape come to fu ck things up.

Who is "us"? The whites or the Nigerians?

morpheus24: We aint worrying about it,naija man no dey carry last but your DA premier is having a fit about it for sure, Hmmmm, wonder why?

Could it be that the western cape being the last bastion of hope for "you know who" are worried their expatriates, tourists and their money who are financing and proping up that province will start thinking twice about doing business or migrating in mass to this percieved enclave.

Food for thought.

You like talking about the Western Cape. But I understand, it's a peculiar place in which black South Africans are out-numbered and have always been out-numbered since the Dutch landed on Cape Point in 1652. Cape Town is the first place that white people landed on in South Africa so it makes sense that they hold on so dear to it. White people have lived in that place for over 350 years and they are not going anywhere, regardless of any regulation. All they can do is moan and pay for endless court battles but that must not concern a Nigerian.

I support these new regulations. Naijas should not concern themselves with possible negative impact on tourism, investment, trade, etc. for a far away country like South Africa. Let us handle our affairs the way we see fit.

Any country is free to do what Kenya has now done
www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2014-06-27-kenya-and-south-africas-mutually-destructive-visa-race/

morpheus24: Question to ERoZA:

1. How many Hausa,Fulani, Nupe, Kanuri, Berom, Ebira, Adamawa peoples from Nigeria do you find or can you identify in South Africa and why don't you see them. Aren't they Nigerian too

2. WHy do most marginalized ethnic groups from Nigeria reside within South Africa?

Bantu education is bad. You expose yourself not me

1. They don't know how to hustle like Igbos.
2. They are clever enough to know that it's better to hustle down south. The conditions are better.

And Igbos are not marginalised, they run Lagos.

Nigeria will become relevant one day. That's when Naijas will stop wanting to compare themselves to a "1/3 mentally-ill" nation - the mighty and beautiful South Africa. Our media have since dropped the "Africa's biggest economy" tag since after Nigeria did its creative accounting. They now refer to our country as AFRICA'S MOST ADVANCED ECONOMY.

Just google that new tag.

all4naija: How many times did you visit Hillbrow today to get a dose of your medicine from Nigerians? You i d i o t!

I don't do drugs.

Yes we are crazy. So what?

Mod, I want my posts back.