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Thanks that was quite helpful, but what I really need is the code after that limit command sent to the database.
The link you sent takes me to some funny black page that has the result, but I'm looking for the code,

bolex: What church do you attend and who's your Pastor?

Pastor was like

Who here thinks kissing a sin . . . No hands raised
Who thinks kissing is not a sin
All hands raised
I guess that answers our question
like . . . lol

That post could go a long way in increasing your church's population.

Just like Jesus answered and said unto them, "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God."

and that's what your problem is, the fact that there are internet links to back your point doesn't move me or change anything.

Wise Christians, I want you to take note of one thing. The first and the second links say

Jesus says in Matthew 6:19-20, ‘Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume, and where thieves break in and steal, but store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.’”

But that's not what we are taught!

We are taught that

But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.
Deut 8:18

DETAILS!!!!!!!

SHARE MORE, what were the very words. . . SHARE THE TESTIMONIES!!!!!

welborn,

I understand what you feel, but if you had to reach Nigeria with the gospel that would change her, you'd do anything to get there!

I bet all those people who got stock in the traffic needed the message, other people needed to be healed that day, others needed the one thing that'll liberate them from bondage for life! If you really had understanding for these kind of folks, won't you do anything it takes?

Ok, let me also look at things from your side: My heart goes out to all those who "THINK" their easter was ruined, it really wouldn't have been ruined if they joined the program. . . Is that any helpful?

Look here, We are all shouting that Nigeria needs change, now programs are organised that don't remove anything from people's pockets to get this change activated and yet they complain!? What I would sympatise with at this point is people's antipathy for the very change they desire.

Let's loosen up a bit and. . .
. . .LET DA KISSING BEGIN!!!

But the CHRISTIAN message is NOT the "prosperity message".

Point of correction! Prosperity is part of God's intention for His kids! Here's proof from The Word!

Psalm 35:27
Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.

Again, the prosperity message/gospel is a vomit of satan that has nothing to do with Christianity.

Even with that scripture!? - You must be kidding else your ignorance is manifested exceeding great!

Jesus Christ was not rich on this earth. || And don't believe the lies of prosperity preachers that say Jesus was rich.

2 Corinthians 8:9
For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that through his poverty ye might be rich.

Again, you're quite incorrect!
@Enigma

And He DID NOT preach a prosperity message/gospel!

Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor . . .

Matthew 11:4-5Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

And again. . .

His chosen foundations of the Church and of the Christian faith (e.g. James, Peter, Paul, John, Stephen etc etc etc) were not rich. And none of them preached the prosperity message/gospel!

Philippians 4:18-20
But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God. But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

If you take note, he didn't say "all our needs", he had grown in Christ to have a different understanding. In 1Corinthians 3:21

1 Corinthians 3:21
Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;

And you say they didn't preach prosperity!? Common! Be real!

Rather, Jesus and these apostles preached the Christian gospel.

The gospel is good news, what other message is goodnews to a poor man than prosperity for him in Jesus?

Knowledgeable Christians stay away from the deceit and chicanery of the prosperity message/gospel.

I think Knowledgeable Christians should not be unequally yoked with you because you don't believe - you're an unbeliever! No Disrespect, it a fact!

2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers. . .

Let me add that if you don't believe, prosperity won't work for you. . .

Hebrews 3:18-19And to whom sware he[i][God][/i] that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

[b]Do you want God to have to swear that you should never enjoy this prosperity!? - Common choose!
BE WISE!!!
No disrespect, enigma, but even your screenname brings doubt:

Web definitions of Enigma: something that baffles understanding

Donnie, Please tell me you're a Pastor or atleast a cell leader!?

How you dress is how you'll be addressed

Great words there @dearzi, one of our Pastors mentioned that during a leadership training. Only leaders, have that kind of mentality.

[size=20pt]DONNIE!!!!![/size]

You thrill me! So, tell me, I was not in any of the CRCs or the good friday miracle night, Load me gist ma brother,
There was a CRC here in RSA, but that was in Jo'burg. I'm far away in CapeTown, but our Pastor and some leaders were there!

If you kiss someone you are in love with, or have a long relationship with, I blive that it is fine… but if you abuse the privilege and kiss random people just to do it

Whether kissing is a sin or not is a personal choice? Huh

Nice way to say Papa is Ever Correct - better put Always Accepted!

Don't Hate me, You just gotta love it!

Do y'all mind if I say it could be a sin and that's what they use to scare kids, but here's where the key is?

God looks at the heart! What is the motive of that kiss, did you mean it as an expression or as a selfish act. . .

Don't have me, we've got to help this generation

Welldone, SBUCAREER,

Hi Folks,
Here's a quiz question to those who think they know more than their fathers. . . like this page right? When retrieveing getting data from a database,
How do you split the information into pages instead of having one endless pages for users to scroll down through. . ?

Ever Loving Papa

God Bless you Consultant - God Bless you BIG TIME!

Let me help you here Deji_babs

In Malachi 3:10 God said

Bring ye ALL THE TITHES INTO THE STOREHOUSE, that there may be meat IN MINE HOUSE and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Follow God's word to the letter son, it's life!

Proverbs 3
1My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
2For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
3Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
4So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
9Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

I am not trying to persuade you

defen[i][d][/i] bankrupt[ing] tradition and indulgent religiosity

or whatever you want to call it. I will at this junction leave you to your opinions. Arguing for God or for the church is not anything useful because remains God ANYHOW and the church of God will keep growing and producing results everywhere whether or not you like it! ok!

But here's something very important from me to you (man to man): Hebrews 3:6-19

But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

. . . and here's what their sin was. . .

Verse 18: And to whom [i]sware he[God] that they should not enter into his rest[/i], but to them that believed not?

Verse 19: So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief

Be [b]EASILY [/b]Persuaded, NOT by any man's words (not even Papa), but MAKE SURE GOD'S WORD GETS YOUR ATTENTION 100%!

Lack of knowledge? - oxymoron!? You must be kidding me if you didn't know that God said:

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee
Hosea4:6

And is it not because of this that

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know 1Corinthians2:12

Mind you! I'm not defending anyone or their actions, I'm only showing you reasons not to criticize the church because God most likely honored what the church in question did.

Young Man,
Be not quick to speak yet slow to understand;

Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
James1:19

I never said tartared Pastors are not sent of God - why should I say such a thing!?
I meant how is his Gospel (which should mean GOODNEWS!) going attractive to the unsaved if he looks tartared?
You've got to understand that the gospel of Jesus is healing to the sick, prosperity to the poor, comfort to the broken, deliverance to those in bondage and so many other things like Jesus mentioned in

Luke4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

"Honour the Lord". So when did we start to equate men with the Lord?

. Don't treat that passage in parts, look at it as a whole he was referring to firstfruits! and in Ezekiel 48:14 it says

And they shall not sell of it, neither exchange, nor alienate the firstfruits of the land: for it is holy unto the LORD.

It says: UNTO THE LORD, yet in Ezekiel 44:30 it says

And the first of all the firstfruits of all things, and every oblation of all, of every sort of your oblations, shall be the priest's: ye shall also give unto the priest the first of your dough, that he may cause the blessing to rest in thine house.

Why do you think the same Paul you referred to said

". . .to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves. . ."

in 1Thess5:13 and then said

6Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. 7[b]Be not deceived; God is not mocked:[/b] for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

in Galatians 6:6-7
And why do you think Paul started the Galatians in Chapter 3 that. . .

[b]1[/b]O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

[b]2[/b]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

[b]3[/b]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

[b]4[/b]Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

[b]5[/b]He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

I would be equally disinclined to listen to the Pastor's message if he was well-fed and affluent while his congregation was poor and wretched.

I also won't spend another day in such a church.

Look here Consultant, a church that could pour out of that lives to bless their man of God!? common! it's got to be their wisdom at work check this out (and let the spirit illuminate your heart about this)

9Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: 10So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

That's Proverbs 3:9-10 You've got to get!

Besides, how many months do you know they've been contributing towards this occassion?
And how do you know it didn't just take 12000 members giving 10pounds or 1200 giving 10pounds in 10 sundays?

Check this out and tell me if it doesn't blow your mind!

Thessalonians 5:12-13
12And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; 13And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

Wake up son! Get real!
Learn about this and grow into having the right understanding. . . see, I understand with your lack of full knowledge(and I don't mean that critically). . . that's why the bible says to

". . .grow [/b]in grace, and [b]in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. . ."

2Peter3:18. I'm only doing 1Timothy4:6

if thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

Oh great! you're on nairaland, well, I don't know how to do that. could you please let me know how.
Thanks

lol - more what, I'm glad and available to chat with you!

Hey!
I'm glad you have a teachable spirit, it's a quality of great leaders, just be careful what your spirit learns and where it's learning from.
God bless you!

. . .Jesus is real and more real is everything he's done and is doing. . .

Let me give y'all an illustration: What is the simple test to prove that gravity is real and that it exists?
**Very simple answer - Act against it! Jump off the 7th floor of an 8 story building!
Do you want to prove that there's power in the name of Jesus, or that His miracles are fake or untrue?
EASY as ABC: Get sick (AND DON'T TAKE ANY DRUGS), let's see what you can do for yourself, by working against Him!

Maybe you shouldn't reserve that comment yet!
You could share it. There's always a opportunity
to be corrected if you're don't want to be wrong.
After all, we're still alive!

While there's life, there's a chance to learn!
- Me

Kimba,
You should have seen hyperactive me on my feet applauding your response. It was great!
That's how to keep it short, except the ones you sent to dearzi & xphanti, maybe to help you,
try to give yourself a restriction to number of lines before you start typing, It'll help.
God bless you, God Bless Deeper Life, God Bless the Church(the world over),
. . .and God bless ME! - ONLY ME!,
lol - just kidding!
God bless y'all!

Sure!
They're all my kids!
, just like you,

, and that's why you get to call me PAPA!

I love you all!

The case in which a church spent 120,000 pounds to celebrate a pastor's birthday was totally uncalled for

.

Shocked Shocked Shocked wow , what kind of a church will spent that much money on their pastors birthaday, geez, the church must be loaded Grin [s]pastors shouldnt be celebrating their birthdays[/s]

Consultant,

I think I should ask you to think a little on those comments you made earlier. This is why, if you walked into a church, wretched and poor and the pastor was preaching prosperity and he looked almost as tartared as you, would you believe in what he preached? The bible says give honour to whom it is due, don't you think that church acted their wisdom? What you call a lot of money is not too much to treat God or His servants very well. It matters how you apply this wisdom "White Lady" mentions. Read Galatians 6:6-7, You should understand that Paul meant "whatever a man sows, he reaps" financially!

6Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
7Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Great words White Lady. Proverbs24:26-Every man shall kiss his lips that giveth a right answer.

Free, I hope you meant the line across the comment you made!?

Now here's a summary of what I'm trying to say: The gospel of Jesus can be defined as "Prosperity".(To the POOR)
A poor man whos wisdom wakes up will see hope for himself in such places if his intentions are pure. (Please get me right)

The only good thing I find on this thread is the fact that y'all have not gone mentioning church names.
Great stuff, I respect that and respect y'all in this thread for doing just that!
Cheers!

Did any of you know that when Jesus died He did all that going to hell already!?

What are you asking God for? Even He is wondering where you hack these kinds of hereses from!

Here's the right prayer point:
Thank God that nothing about you is connected to hell (If you're born-again) and;
Thank God that as you rely on Him (as jackie24 said) He blesses you (but not in your hardships, but rather) even in challenges "that seem difficult!"

@papa look! do not judge me, i respect God and u probably do not stay in nigeria so u don't know what am talking about!

to make quotes of great men is cool but u don't preach to people like it is pastor chris that made the rules in the bible what happened to christ?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! and one more time - HA!

Calm down! Who judged you!?

I was talking about Nigerians, not you! I was born in that country and I know what the citizens think is cool or not ok!
Don't teach me about my Nigeria. The bible rules and if you know Pastor Chris or better put if you've listened to him enough and know your bible enough (by the way for starters - Are you a born-again?) then, you'll find that he is in love with the bible and points every listener (which will include you the day you start listening) to The WORD.

africanboy, DON'T TALK LIKE THAT AGAIN! You could turn off a person's desire to serve God! Relax! Even if you went well, not with that construction!

@fluffy,
I apologize for such a response. Here's the fact - Jesus wants you back, Infact he desires you more than you have ever or will ever desire him. We could talk about it off nairaland if you're interested, else I could refer you to people you'll love to talk to and you'll be forever greatful. I desire to see you in heaven ok!

Cheers!

Hey!
You got me (*&#@$)(*@ in the anointing, I didn't even understand what
That DVD is super, and it's revelation about Christ in me is awesome and . . .
Infact, that's what Nigeria, Africa and the entire world even old Christians need!
Love you!

r u sayin no 1 pastor has God in him?only oya kilo and tb are God's tru servant

I think you should calm down @tolu - really, you should.

Donnie this post is strictly to pass an important message to you. could you send me your email address @ plaun29@hotmail.com

As much as what I want to tell you is important, I don't want ppl intruding.

Thanks