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"Mohammed is God's apostle.  Those who follow him are harsh
 to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"  Quran 48:29


2013.01.19 (Kano, Nigeria) - At least five people are killed in an attempted Boko Haram assassination of a popular emir.

2013.01.18 (Sur Kas, Pakistan) - Laskhar-e-Islam mortar a family home, killing the mother and father and severely injuring their girl.

2013.01.17 (Hilla, Iraq) - al-Qaeda detonate a car bomb outside a soccer stadium in a Shia neighborhood, killing at least seven.

2013.01.17 (Dujail, Iraq) - Eleven Shia pilgrims are sent to Allah by dedicated Sunni car bombers.

2013.01.17 (Garissa, Kenya) - Religious extremists burst into a restaurant and gun down five patrons.

2013.01.17 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - Islamic 'insurgents' murder a school truck driver in front of seven children.

We're only after the Christians

A British security guard was murdered in cold blood just minutes into the siege at the Algerian gas plant, an IT worker caught up in  the hostage crisis has told The Mail on Sunday.

The Algerian employee, who managed to escape, has given the most detailed account so far of how Islamist terrorists rounded up foreign workers during the four-day stand-off and placed explosives round their necks.

Following his escape, the IT worker contacted a friend who remained in the camp and witnessed yesterday’s final onslaught by Algerian troops.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/19/article-2265206-1709830A000005DC-214_634x302.jpg
Speaking under condition of anonymity after the Algerian army told him not to talk, he said: ‘The terrorists arrived at 5.10am on Wednesday in three vehicles and began firing at a bus. A guard was shot and then another guard got out of a car and was instantly shot dead. I believe he was the first Briton to die.’

The IT worker recalled how the Islamists systematically targeted Western employees.

‘The terrorists went to the alarm station, switched off the alarms, and forced the deputy manager to show them where the expats were. They rounded up the expats, making them all wear explosives around their necks while standing in a circle.

‘The attackers were carrying Kalashnikovs and bombs and went throughout the complex, seeking out expats hiding, and forcing them into the circle.’

He said more than 20 British workers – whom the terrorists called ‘kuffar’, meaning non-Muslims – were rounded up.

He added: ‘Us Algerians were rounded up separately and were treated with kindness. We were told that because we were Muslim we would not be killed, and it was only the Christians they were after.

‘The terrorists allowed the Algerians to send texts and make phone calls, but to stop the expats communicating, they forced an Algerian telecommunications man to cut network connections for mobile, internet and power. But a back-up system kicked in, which allowed some Brits to send text messages. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265206/Algeria-Crisis-Terrifying-moment-gas-plant-gunmen-rounded-non-Muslims-strapped-explosive-necks.html

Residents in northern Malian town lynch Jihadist

Citizens standing up against sharia is a good thing -- lynching? Not so good. We should never become what these savages are. But this is a war and the people must fight for their freedom against Islamic law.

BAMAKO | Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:30pm EST

(Reuters) - Residents in the northern Malian town of Gao on Saturday lynched a prominent Islamist leader in retaliation for the killing of a local journalist earlier in the day, residents and the office of Mali's president said.

Residents in Gao, a northern Malian town under Islamist rebel control since mid-2012, have previously protested against the strict imposition of Islamic law but, if confirmed, the lynching would be a first of a fighter by civilians.

The incident comes after over a week of French air strikes on Islamist positions sought to break the grip of al Qaeda-linked fighters on northern Mali.

Gao journalist Kader Toure was killed for having been suspected of working with foreign radio stations, according to Issa Idrissa Toure, a former colleague.

"Islamic police commissioner Aliou Toure was killed by the youth in revenge," Mazou Toure, a Gao resident added.

Telephone networks in Gao are not working but both sources said they received the information from people who had traveled outside the town.

French broadcaster RFI interviewed a Gao resident by satellite telephone who gave a similar version of events. Meanwhile, the official Twitter feed of the office of Mali's president also reported the information.

Toure, the police commissioner, was a local recruited by MUJWA Islamists who took control of Gao in June last year.

He gained notoriety when he was reported to have cut off his own brother's hand as fighters imposed a strict form of Islamic law across northern Mali.

French war planes have bombed Islamist bases in Gao but residents said a number of fighters still remain in the town
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/19/us-mali-crisis-lynching-idUSBRE90I0IM20130119

Zhul-fiqar:
@paris-love
There is no explicit verse in the Quran specifying punishment for rape for two reasons:

1. Any illicit sex in Islam can be punished with up to death.so raping a woman can also take the death penalty as the action falls under illicit sex.

The victim inclusive?

2. Islam does not recognize the mockery of wedlock designated in the west as "marital rape".in Islam,the couple should have sex.it is the man's right to be given sexual pleasure by his wife.otherwise,the man can commit adultery.for the good of the marriage and of society,good wives don't use sex as a weapon against their husbands for every misunderstanding.if the man comes to the level of reaching out to his wife in bed after misunderstanding,that should be seen as reconciliatory gesture,and the couple should make up.if the man is very evil for the woman to justify and use sex as a weapon,then she have no reason to share the same bed with him.she should leave.

Of course women can't but men can use sex as a weapon can't they? Even the the prophet once punished all of his wives by not sleeping with anyone of them for one month. Depriving one’s wives sexually is the second grade of punishment recommended in Qur'an. The first level is admonishing, the second level is depriving them of sex and the third level of punishment is beating them. Qur'an 4:34
Of course when a man decides to punish a wife with sexual deprivation he can satisfy himself with his other wives. But Muhammad’s anger had made him make the oath not to sleep with any of them for one month. That of course would have been too much of hardship for the beloved messenger of God (peace be upon his immaculate soul),therefore Allah in his mercy came to the aid of his prophet and revealed the Surah Tahrim. Now imagine if all his more than a dozen wives descended on him(Group Intimacy?) who knows what might have happened. You still think marital rape is a 'mockery of wedlock'?

IbrahimB: 1.
I don't know.

2.
Indeed witchcraft, alcoholism, armed-robbery and r.ape are not the same things. And I never mentioned that they were. You missed my point. And I wouldn't want to go into a debate between which is more hateful before God between r.ape and witchcraft. My point was just to highlight that not all crimes have their punishment mentioned in the Qurán.

3.
No. Giving the dowry money is to serve as a financial penalty. For the scholars who hold that view.

Ok

4.
"When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (r.aped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah. When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.
He (the Prophet) said to the woman: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. And about the man who had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death. He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4366)"

I'm made to believe that any hadith that contradicts the Quran should be considered a fabricate and should be discarded as not being authentic.
Surah2:282 And call in to witness fromamong your men two witnesses; but if there arenot two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other;
According to this verse the testimony of a woman is half and cannot be accepted,so how can Muhammad go against the dictates of the Quran? Even the Hadiths you used, are considered weak and you wouldn't even accept them if they put up a particular argument against Islam. There are no quotes from Bukhari or Muslim, which are considered the most authentic Hadiths in Islam.
Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes."
This verses might have influenced bigmanahmad to say the woman has to provide four witnesses to make her case.

bigmanahmad: Praise be to Allaah.
Rape is essentially zina (fornication or adultery) and is proven in the same way as zina is proven, which is with four witnesses. The punishment is one hundred lashes if the man was a virgin and stoning if he was previously married.

Her only chance of finding 4 male witnesses is that if the attacker was of very low IQ or was really drunk and attacked you in the broad daylight in front of a bunch of degenerate hornymen who watched and cheered and are later willing to testify. I hope you see the reason why this hadith cant be accepted. 

5.
You probably didn't read my reply in full. Actions, as mentioned in a hadith are judged according to intentions. In Islam, there is no punishment when one is forced to do something under duress.

6.
Please see the Hadith quoted in (4).

Ok

IbrahimB: @Paris Love
Hi. I don't really know if my reply to you will be of any use.

Actually there is no mention of the punishment of rape (specifically) in the Qurán.

WHY?

But this in no way means that rape is not a crime as Islamic Jurisprudence is not based on the Qurán alone.

how

Authentic traditions of the Prophet are also valid sources of laws in Islam.

For example, the following are punishable in Islam but their punishment is not in the Qur'an:
1. Drinking Alcohol
2. Armed Robbery
3. Witch Craft

All the crimes you mentioned above is not the same with rape. Rape is worst them, Quran mentioned punishment for other sexual offenses but non for rape?

For these and other offences, Muslims make recourse to the Hadith. The vast body of Islamic Jurisprudence is to
be found in the Hadith. For example, there is no detailed description of how to observe the Salah (i.e prayer) in
the Qurán but it is the single most important act of worship for a muslim. The rites of the pilgrimage are to be
found in the Hadith as well and not the Qurán.

Could You point out the punishment in the hadith?

Adultery as you know is punishable in Islam by death or flogging. The rapist has already committed adultery of course
and as such is liable to the punishment that is due to the fornicator/ adulterer. In the very least.

Using that logic the victim would be punished too, which is more often the case in muslim countries.

In Islam, a man cannot have sex with a woman unless he pays her the dowry.

That's not true, Muslim man can have sex with a woman he didn't pay dowry for. Right hand possess?

That's probably why some of the Islamic
scholars believe the rapist should pay the woman the dowry money as well.

Like marry her?

Probably, the reason why you opened this thread is 'what then is the punishment for the woman who has been raped'?

Yes, so far no Answer.

As bigmanahmad said, there is no punishment on the woman due to one of the most important sayings of the Prophet:

"Actions are judged according to intentions"

And how will rape not be punishable in Islam if merely accusing a woman (or man) of fornication, falsely, attracts a punishment of
80 lashes?

I dunno am not a muslim

As such, I think your question should be 'What is the punishment of rape in Islam'.

Ok, what is it?

IbrahimB: @Paris Love
Hi. I don't really know if my reply to you will be of any use.

Actually there is no mention of the punishment of rape (specifically) in the Qurán.

WHY?

But this in no way means that rape is not a crime as Islamic Jurisprudence is not based on the Qurán alone.

how

Authentic traditions of the Prophet are also valid sources of laws in Islam.

For example, the following are punishable in Islam but their punishment is not in the Qur'an:
1. Drinking Alcohol
2. Armed Robbery
3. Witch Craft

All the crimes you mentioned above is not the same with rape. Rape is worst them, Quran mentioned punishment for other sexual offenses but non for rape?

For these and other offences, Muslims make recourse to the Hadith. The vast body of Islamic Jurisprudence is to
be found in the Hadith. For example, there is no detailed description of how to observe the Salah (i.e prayer) in
the Qurán but it is the single most important act of worship for a muslim. The rites of the pilgrimage are to be
found in the Hadith as well and not the Qurán.

Could You point out the punishment in the hadith?

Adultery as you know is punishable in Islam by death or flogging. The rapist has already committed adultery of course
and as such is liable to the punishment that is due to the fornicator/ adulterer. In the very least.

Using that logic the victim would be punished too, which happens more often in muslim countries.

In Islam, a man cannot have sex with a woman unless he pays her the dowry.[quote]That's not true, Muslim man can have sex with a woman he didn't pay dowry for. Right hand possess? [quote]That's probably why some of the Islamic
scholars believe the rapist should pay the woman the dowry money as well.

Like marry her?

Probably, the reason why you opened this thread is 'what then is the punishment for the woman who has been raped'?

Yes, so far no Answer.

As bigmanahmad said, there is no punishment on the woman due to one of the most important sayings of the Prophet:

"Actions are judged according to intentions"

And how will rape not be punishable in Islam if merely accusing a woman (or man) of fornication, falsely, attracts a punishment of
80 lashes?

I dunno am not a muslim

As such, I think your question should be 'What is the punishment of rape in Islam'.

Ok, what is it?

foliks: Tanx to all those who gave quality advice and to dose who started by being a Judge in a supreme court,kudos to u bt one thing I hate most in sum people is hw dey call themselves "christians" instead of "CRITICS" evn Jesus made it clear that we are not allowed to judge bt sum christians continue to judge without evn askin questions and den forget to win souls because rather than preaching,they crucify,if Jesus had done that when He came,I jst wonder where we'll all be by nw so to those who sat in the corners of u house callin me all sort of names,may God forgive u anyway am not surprised because most of u ran to God cause u had problems so you cant rily know much,u call people sinners forgeting what u do in secret,God have mercy on us all

Hello folixs,

I think the bold part is bit fallacious, Jesus never implied that we should never judge at all. Evil certainly has to be condemned. Not to judge doesn't mean you won't condemn evil. Rom2;1 Do you, my friend, pass judgment on others? You have no excuse at all, whoever you are. For when you judge others and do the same thing they do, you condemn yourself." In another place Jesus said first remove the peck in your eyes before you see the log of wood in others. He never said don't remove that peck. What the bible is preaching against is hypocrisy. You cannot condemn when you do the same thing.

Back to your question am certain you've received many advices/warnings from both sides. Some Christians here think it's ok others think it's not. Virtually all the muslims here think it's alright. But what if the tables is turned around and it's muslim sister wanting to marry a Christian what would be their advice? No i guess given that their own Quran prohibit that kind of union. You should checkout this thread it make an interesting reading www.nairaland.com/1061098/non-muslims-vs-muslims-debate-work
As for me speaking from the bible perspective i don't think it a great idea. We've a lots Christian/Muslim marriages out there faring better than C/C and M/M ones for now. A lot tough decisions are gonna have to be, a lot sacrifices too. How you two will tolerate the dos and don'ts of both religion? Are you okay with your kids being a muslim? Would he want them to be a Christian? Hope you two will talk this kinda of things out before getting into it. Don't think it doesn't matter it does a lot.

See these stories from some ladies that have been in the type situation you're trying to put yourself into.
[url=alisina.org/blog/2011/08/10/marrying-a-muslim-man/]Marrying Muslim man[/url]

[url=alisina.org/blog/2012/08/07/there-is-a-frog-inside-every-muslim-prince-charming/]This[/url]

[url=alisina.org/blog/2012/12/19/bitter-love-another-saga-of-a-muslim-man-and-a-western-woman/]And this[/url]

In the end it's your life and the choice is yours to make, i hope you make the right one
Take care

tintingz: stick to the topic ok

Lol i did. According to Muhammad your answer is cross.

tintingz: no...na chicken

Must you lie? Anyways Muhammad said Jesus will come back and break the cross. So go figure

Vicotex: Please give your details and some chapter sthat are related to violence in Bible and Qu'aran !

where's your own details?

tintingz: Hahahahaha FOOL!

[size=20pt]And when it is said to them:
Believe as the people believe,
they say: Shall we believe as
the fools have believed? Is it
not that surely they are
themselves the fools? But they
do not know. [Baqarah : 15][/size]

The verse you quoted aint for me a muslim buh you that reject Mohammed(sa) message.

Who told you that you're a muslim? You're the vilest of animals

Shakir:surah8:55 [size=20pt]Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who believe Muhammad.[/size]


You really should stick to my previous advice and hang yourself according to quran and try not to explode while at lest you will become the latest in a long line of Muslims that have exploded. And try not quote me again, you won't be graced with a reply.

rushda29: The law is death for the rapist. Making the girl marry her rapist is not Islamic, it could be cultural. Making her marry him would be unjust to her and Allah hates injustice. I hope I've cleared up the confusion.

No dear you haven't. What is the punishment for a rapist in the Quran?

BetaThings: Salaam

As you both know, among the forbidden things are
1. Sitting with or discussing with people who mock Allah and His messenger (PBUH). You cannot stop people who do so. So there is no reward for you in engaging them, you only expose yourselves to sin
2. Insulting those that non-muslims worship apart from Allah. We should not even mock their leaders
It is actually better to avoid responding to some posts/posters

May Allah guide us

What have i done? Did i insult or mock anyone? All i did was just an honest question. Why do you feel attacked and flashing the victimized card? What's up with the insecurity? [img]http://2.bp..com/-2Z1wifs1aAU/TVkaPnNhR1I/AAAAAAAAAG8/Oks3Lq_vXRI/s1600/ostrich-head-in-sand.jpg[/img] bury your head in the sand if it makes you feel better!

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Surah 5:101-102).

vedaxcool: Afghanistan is not a model Islamic state, but we see the Mother of Jesus wore something similar:

How is not an islamic state? And who told you that's Mary?

tintingz: [size=16pt]"Nay We hurl the Truth against falsehood and it knocks out its brain and behold falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things ye ascribe(to Us).
Holy Qur'an 21:18[/size]

What? you disagree with me?

If anyone thinks that [size=20pt]allah will not give victory to His apostle me in this world and in the world to come, let him(tintingz) tie a rope to the ceiling of his house and hang himself![/size] Then let him see if his device has done away with that which has enraged him.(Surah 22:15).

QURAN WAS CORRUPTED BY CHRISTIANS?

 

Have you ever wondered why Quran implies that Prophet Jesus had godly characteristics and Prophet Mo had satanic characteristics ? It is because Christians have corrupted our holy book.

Here are the proofs.

- Quran mentions in sura 19 that Jesus was born by immaculate conception . That implies that Prophet Mo was conceived from lustful sex like a low life animal.

- , Quran designated one whole sura to the mother of Jesus (Mary,sura 19). Poor Mo’s mother Amina was not even mentioned once, leave alone naming a sura after her.

- Quran says Jesus was a born a genius who could talk as a new born (5.110) . It also says that Mo was born as a slowpoke who could never learn to read or write all his life (7.157,7.158).

Quran says Jesus could make a clay bird and give life to it (5.110). That means he was capable of creating his own food. On the other hand Allah had to make stealing halal for Mo because Mo was not capable of earning his own bread (8.1,8.41) .

Quran says Jesus could give life to dead people (5.110) . On the other hand Mo could only kill live people dead (3.152,8.17,8.67,33.26-27)..

(Mo holds the world record of beheading 900 men of Quraiza in a single day)

- Quran says Jesus could give sight to the blind (5.110). Mo took the sight away from of the seeing . (He had eyes of the Ukul men gouged because they had stolen Mo’s stolen camels ).

- Quran says Allah gave Jesus capability of curing incurable diseases like leprosy (5.110). Allah gave no such power to Mo (20.133). His own most beloved son Ibrahim ( from his sex slave Maria) died in front of him, although Mo prayed and begged Allah for his health for several nights.

- Allah made Jesus a saint who never lusted women . Allah made Mo a Satan who killed innocent men and enslaved their wives and daughters and raped them 33.50).

Allah made Jesus very kind and compassionate , one who abhorred slavery. Allah made Mo a slave monger (33.50)..

Allah made Jesus a very loving man who loved children .Allah made Mo a pedophile who made love to children (65.4).


- Quran says Jesus did not die , he was raised to heaven by Allah . Allah did no such favors for Mo. He was buried in ground to rot after he died a very painful death, poisoned by his enemies..

CONCLUSION

Does all the above facts sound like they are from Islam’s holy book ?.How can a book which shows Islam’s prophet Mo to be worse than a common criminal in every respect , be from a God who claims him to be his equal (obeying Mohammad is obeying Allah ,4.80) . Surely Christians have corrupted it and Muslims are in denial about it..??

#TeamJesuswins

So will your solution to this sexualization be something like this?↓↓

https://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s720x720/406671_463445237048111_81205143_n.jpg

bigmanahmad: Praise be to Allaah.
The Arabic word ightisaab refers to taking something wrongfully by force. It is now used exclusively to refer to transgression against the honour of women by force (rape). 

This is an abhorrent crime that is forbidden in all religions and in the minds of all wise people and those who are possessed of sound human nature.

Where in your own religion? Can you provide any verse from the Quraan?

All earthly systems and laws regard this action as abhorrent and impose the strictest penalties on it, except a few states which waive the punishment if the rapist marries his victim! This is indicative of a distorted mind let alone a lack of religious commitment on the part of those who challenge Allaah in making laws.

Yes all man made laws has punishment for this kind crime except that of Allah. Quran is the only book of law that has no punishment for rape as you've shown in your both posts.

Islam has a clear stance which states that this repugnant action is haraam and imposes a deterrent punishment on the one who commits it.

If islam stance is clear why don't save us all this lecture and just quote the verse from Quran?

Islam closes the door to the criminal who wants to commit this crime. Western studies have shown that most rapists are already criminals who commit their crimes under the influence of alcohol and drugs, and they take advantage of the fact that their victims are walking alone in isolated places, or staying in the house alone. These studies also show that what the criminals watch on the media and the semi-naked styles of dress in which women go out, also lead to the commission of this reprehensible crime.

So in your twisted mind any girl that dresses like that is asking to get raped? The girls in Islamic countries that were raped, were they dressing semi-naked as well? I didn't ask you the cause, i asked where is the punishment from Quran?

The laws of Islam came to protect women's honour and modesty. Islam forbids women to wear clothes that are not modest and to travel without a mahram; it forbids a woman to shake hands with a non-mahram man. Islam encourages young men and women to marry early, and many other rulings which close the door to rape.

Isn't that great? Once you're not wearing the overflowing tent you're asking to get raped. And Allah in his infinite wisdom countered it infringing women's right to freedom of movement, association and advocating child marriage. Marriage to a 9year old is that rape? Can a child give consent to sex?

Hence it comes as no surprise when we hear or read that most of these crimes occur in permissive societies which are looked up to by some Muslims as examples of civilization and refinement! In America – for example – International Amnesty stated in a 2004 report entitled “Stop Violence Against Women” that every 90 seconds a woman was raped during that year. What kind of life are these people living? What refinement and civilization do they want the Muslim women to take part in?

Nobody is asking your women to take part in any civilization. America unlike your civilized muslim countries doesn't punish women for being rape victims. The punishment for rape is clearly stated out in their constitution where is it in the Quran?

The punishment for rape in Islam is same as the punishment for zina, which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married. 

Some scholars also say that he is required to pay a mahr to the woman.

basically what we've is the opinion of some scholars huh? why you couldn't even find a single verse in the Quran dealing with this matter? Does Allah believe that rape of women is not important to address?

And Allaah knows best

does he?

[s]

Stalwert: They probably got their inspiration from the following:

City Rape
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed
unto an husband, and a man find her in
the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall
bring them both out unto the gate of
that city, and ye shall stone them with
stones that they die; the damsel,
because she cried not, being in the
city. -- Deuteronomy 22:23-24



Country Rape
But if a man find a betrothed damsel in
the field, and the man force her, and
lie with her: then the man only that lay
with her shall die. ... For he found her
in the field, and the betrothed damsel
cried, and there was none to save her.
-- Deuteronomy 22:25-27


Of an unbetrothed virgin
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin,
which is not betrothed, and lay hold on
her, and lie with her, and they be
found; Then the man that lay with her
shall give unto the damsel's father fifty
shekels of silver, and she shall be his
wife; because he hath humbled her, he
may not put her away all his days. --
Deuteronomy 22:28-29


Of prisoners of war
And Moses said unto them, Have ye
saved all the women alive? ... Now
therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman that
hath known man by lying with him. But
all the women children, that have not
known a man by lying with him, keep
alive for yourselves. -- Numbers
31:15-18

[/s]

Ok so where is the punishment in the quran?

https://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/429083_467787253280576_1966293534_n.jpg

Could be true? : '(

Atheist:-D:
No one is gonna answer you .

They dont like difficult topics

Lol, have a little 'faith'. if they could be worried about 'sexualiazation' of infidel women in the west, surely they would be more than willing to correct this injustice done against their women...hopefully ~

Hello everyone,

I don't know much about islam but i've been wondering about a question for a while now. Most of the time in the news we hear stories of women who are ràpe victims in Islamic countries being punished. Sometimes they re being forced to marry their rapist, jailed or killed under the law or extra judicially(honor killing). When there's an outcry against such injustice from non muslims(infidels) moderate Muslims will label such person(s) 'islamophobe' and say 'that's not what islam stipulates', 'no country practices real shariah' blah blah blah. So the question is Quran position on this? Why are Islam courts and judges getting it wrong? What is the punishment of rapé in the Quran?

Because the issue of ràpe victims being punished do happen. Some of us may still remember the story of Gulnaz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDgj2lILJAA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvDgj2lILJAA

The 19 year old Afghan girl who was ràped was sentenced to 12years in jail for committing adultery or marry rapist. After much pressure from the international community, Gulnaz was pardoned by the President.

Hena begum wasn't as lucky as Gulnaz. The 14 year old girl was found guilty of fornication and sentenced to 100lashes according to sharia laws after she was ràped by her cousin. Hena collapsed after enduring about 70 lashes. She died few days later. www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/110330/hena-begum-teenager-flogging-bangladesh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7xRgzmRrVA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dw7xRgzmRrVA&gl=GB

These question are not asked to mock or insult anyone's belief but to find the truth. I believe if the truth is exposed everybody is a winner.

Tap? That's a new lie one.

Geewan: I've been expecting you for a long time to come and derail the thread. Welcome!

Thanks, i'll take that as compliment. Apologies if it derailed your thread.

Am out

striktlymi: Good evening Paris,

Well like I maintain, I am not here to defend Islam but really the part of the Quran you quoted can be interpreted in different ways. One can decide to take it literally but I am of the opinion that there is a message the prophet tried to pass across other than 'suicide for non-muslims'. I have my own interpretation of what the prophet meant but I will leave this for the Islamic scholars to handle.


Thank you!

Yea right

Well a dead person feels no anger. The verse is self explanatory. Go hang yourself let's see if it stops Muhammad. It's as simple as that. If you fail to see this then it pretty much boils down to ignorance or intellectual dishonesty. Either way it still permits suicide.

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YUSUFALI: If any think that Allah will not help him (His Messenger) in this world and the Hereafter, let him stretch out a rope to the ceiling and cut (himself) off: then let him see whether his plan will remove that which enrages (him)!
PICKTHAL: Whoso is wont to think (through envy) that Allah will not give him (Muhammad) victory in the world and the Hereafter (and is enraged at the thought of his victory), let him stretch a rope up to the roof (of his dwelling), and let him hang himself. Then let him see whether his strategy dispelleth that whereat he rageth!.
SHAKIR: Whoever thinks that Allah will not assist him in this life and the hereafter, let him stretch a rope to the ceiling, then let him cut (it) off, then let him see if his struggle will take away that at which he is enraged.
Dawood: If anyone thinks that God will not give victory to His apostle in this world and in the world to come, let him tie a rope to the ceiling of his house
and hang himself. Then let him see if his device has done away with that which has enraged him.

I think we know the translations that makes sense the most out the four above.

striktlymi: Good morning again Paris,

I didn't realize that there is any such thing as "Christian logic", "Islamic logic" or "Aheist logic". Anyways, logic is pure and has no religious undertone. If a logic does not make much sense it is called "Fallacy". If you have an issue with the analysis I have drawn in my previous posts to make you think I applied what in your view is "Islamic logic" I will appreciate it if you would point this out.

I guess you might be having a hard time getting the much needed quotes and in any case I did not claim to be a guru in the quran. You made a claim and quite frankly, if that claim is to be considered serious then there should be a basis for it.

You guessed wrong.

Though this thread is expected to look at suicide from the perspective of whether or not the Quran prescribes this for Muslems, hence the suicide bombings, but if you have a different perspective to this then I will be glad to hear it with relevant quotes.


Thank you!

A different perspective? Maybe.

[img]http://quran.worldofislam.info/Quran/Quran/Ayat/22/22_15.gif[/img]

15. Man k a na ya th unnu an lan yan s urahu All a hu fee a l dduny a wa a l- a khirati falyamdud bisababin il a a l ssam a -i thumma liyaq t aAA falyan th ur hal yu th hibanna kayduhu m a yaghee th u

If there is anyone who deludes himself that Allah will not give to his prophet victory in this world and in the Hereafter, let him tie a rope tothe ceiling of his house and hang himself; and then let him see whether his self castigation alters that towards which he is so full of envy. -even to the slightest extent! http://quran.worldofislam.info/Quran/Quran/surah22.htm

Now that's interesting.

striktlymi: The relevant quote(s) will be highly appreciated.


Thanks!

Lol. You are the non muslim with 'islamic logic', i expect you to know those verses where Allah told those that doubted him and the self declared prophet to go hang themselves.

That's permitting suicide right?