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sweetnnecta first lets keep romans and each of what paul penned because its a complete distraction and almost always bogus, since he was neither a prophetor a companion of the prophet you are arguing for against Muhammad [as to both of them].I take paul to an apostle of Christ. Must he be a companion of Jesus? Was Muhammad a companion of any prophet? What i quoted was matthew28:18 and Jesus was the speaker there. Christ was the one that said go make disciples of all nation. Was Jesus universal, when he said he was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel? absolutely not since the house of israel was only 12 nations and that was his world in the "world does not know him, but you know him [you the disciples]". we know that the world included even at that time for than the 12 nations or tribes of Israel. I can see that you are verydeceitful by simply writing "whole" and thinking thatyou will not be tasked about it. "whole" in this case means the whole of the nations of Israel. No non children of Israel nation is included, even their cousins the arab nations were not included. so you mr nigeria is completely out.John3;16 For God so love the world that he gave his only son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world." John 17:18 "I tell you the truth, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her." Mark 14:9 "Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those wholive on the earth-to every nation, tribe, language and people ." Revelation 14:6 You also said "world does not know him, but you know him [you the disciples]". I suppose you're talking about "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you anotherCounselor to be with you forever - the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, FOR HE LIVES WITH YOU AND WILL BE IN YOU ." John 14:16-17" so what do you believe now? I saw the thread you opened to argue that this very verse is talking about Muhammad. Now you've twisted to suit whatever argument you're trying to make here. You said in that thread you were seeking the truth. So which should i believe now? Let's be honest wiith ourselves please. |
Allah has written in the Quran that He leads people from darkness to Light [chapter 2 verse 257“For Allah leaves to stray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills. So let not thy soul go out in (vainly) sighing after them: for Allah knows well all that they do!” (35: it's obvious there re those whom he guides and there those he leads astray. There is a family in Atlanta that I am working on right now.i wonder why most of you go to the western country you people so much despised. How about saudi or is life too i don't strict to live in? Well good luck over there. There is a family in Atlanta that I am working on right now. I am praying that they enter Islam and their entire family in Lagos does the same. Amin.Well good luck with that too. The recent violent your brothers re displaying would put off any prospect converts. You really want them to transform into those savages we see on tv? Of course you would say those are not real muslims. Well someone said Christians re the bible the world read nnd muslims re the Quran the world read. And you have been saying these for quite a long time. Maybe you should let the family be. This is evidence. I dont know where you live that this is a mere hypothesis to you. In Igboland of Nigeria, people are entering Islam. I guess those who wished their hearts sealed will have their wishes.I don't know any Igbo entering Islam. Besides majority of Igbos see islam as mostly hausa religion and the two tribes have a history and it's not romantic. And given the activities of boko haram in the name of islam you really think Islam hasn't lost some of it's members? But then again almost everything is a money making opportunity for an Igbo man ![]() among means there are some who are excluded. so not all men have their hearts sealed, but the hearts of the hypocrites, the pretenders and the outright disobedient. which one are you, since you are not a believer, muslim?Among them re those who don't understand muhammad. Such men Allah has sealed their heart. The verse didn't say the heart was seal after they disbelieved. who are the people who suffer this type of humiliation, except the hypocrites? read it again. they listened to the lecture. they did not say to the professor that they did not understand. but they leftand said to those who are not the professor, "what did the professor just said" as if they were not there.they showed that they were blind, deaf as well as dumb since they sat in, listened in and yet got nothing from it. those who crave for Mercy of Allah will pray for their hearts to be unsealed.it happens all the time. After the lectures some students don't usually understand sometimes the subject is hard, lecture room was noisy or were simply distracted. Maybe the lecturer was making sense! So they asked what was it he just said then? It will be rather unfortunate for us to hear later the lecturer sealed their hearts and they failed the course. You may say they were deaf, blind and what have you. These re people that need the guiding most you don't push them unto destruction but rather continue making that effort. Seems like your God gives up easily. I do that, a lot. you should try it, instead of removing yourself from the Mercy of Allah.now you pray for your heart not to be sealed? Why? Because Allah seals people hearts and sends them to hell for the fun of it right? You're not alone. Even Abu felt the same. "Although he had such a faith, which was too great to suffice all the inhabitants of the earth, he was afraid that his heart might go astray. So, he used to utter, while weeping: ‘Would that I have been a bitten tree!’ Whenever he was reminded of his position in Allah’s sight, he would say: ‘By Allah! I would not rest assured and feel safe from the deception of Allah (la amanu limakr Allah) , even if I had one foot in paradise.’" (Khalid Muhammad Khalid, Successors of the Messenger, translated by Muhammad Mahdi al-Sharif [Dar al- Kotob al-Ilmiyah, Beirut Lebanon, 2005], Book One: Abu Bakr Has Come, p. 99;] Now if Abu Bakr were afraid of Allah’s schemes of sealing peoples heart shouldn’t Muslims also be fearful of their god’s lies απϑ deception? you should be ashamed by the time i am through with you, except you may not have any shame in you.no need for bragging. It's not about shaming anybody. I've nothing to be ashamed of. I take the most perfect man that walked the face of earth as my Lord and savior. We're here(@ least i am) to expose the truth. And when the truth is exposed everybody is a winner. |
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[quote=author sweetnecta]when Allah made the statement, there were alreadybelievers with Muhammad [sa]. Thats is the first premise that killed your poor lawyer-ing, you ambulance chaser.[/quote]Yes also when Allah made that statement they were those that still didn't believe Muhammad. Maybe Allah came out of his closet and revealed his secret that he sealed their heart and warning them or not makes no difference. The second point is that Allah does not seal the heart of anyone, except the one who decided to follow misguidance, thereby refusing guidance. Muhammad [sa] was not the first prophet or the only prophet [as] to call people from misguidance [darkness] to guidance [Light]. Moses [as] did.who told you that Allah didn't seal the heart of anyone? Surah47:16 And among them are men who listen to thee but in the end when they go out from thee they say to thosewho have received Knowledge: "What is it he said just then?" Such are men whose hearts Allah has sealed and who follow their own lusts. The verse says there re those who after listening to Muhammad they'll go and say 'what is it he just said then'? It's obvious Allah has sealed their heart beforehand ”Such are the men whom Allah has cursed for He has made them deaf and blinded their sight.” (Q47.23) Not only does Allah seal people's heart, he also makes them deaf and blind their eyes. Even if these people whom Allah chose to mislead, did something wrong why he, instead of opening their hearts should seal them? Allah allowed Jesus [as] to call lost sheep of the house of Israel to safety of faith in One God, Jesus being the prophet of that time, that period for that people that world which by wholesale refused guidance, except a few. Muhammad [sa] like every prophet started his ministry from his own home, his own family, his own people, his own tribe, his own town, the city of Makka, his own heritage the arabs and then inviting the whole world using the leadership of each of the world powers. Thats being the prophet for mankind. This has never been done before and no more prophet after the only universal prophet. This is why the universal prophet had to be sent after the miraculous prophet left.The Quran can be a confusing book ain't it? There are many verses that says Muhammad was sent only to arabs. [list]Quran 10:47 says, And for every people there is a Messenger.[/list] [list]And WE have not sent any Messenger except with revelation in the language of his people in order that he might make things clear to them. If these verses are true, then Islam is not for non-Arabs. The Quran attests that every people havereceived their divine message in their own language so they can understand it and the Quran is for Arabs.[/list] just to mention but a few. And as for the message being universal, the bible made it clear that Jesus was for the whole. The famous john3:16 Matthew28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit “I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile” (Rom. 1:16). oh poor lawyer. you will be humiliated with such a lame excuse. First, you will see that Allah did not seal the heart of Abel, who Cain killed. Before then, you will see that Allah sealed the heart of satan because as iblis he refused to accept guidance from the moment Adam [as] was created. You will see that Allah did not seal the heart of Noah [aalolden ]. You will see that Allah sealed the heart of Numerod. You will see that Allah did not seal the heart of Moses, Aron [as]. You will see that Allah did seal the heart of those who made the golden calf. You will see that Allah did not seal the heart of Samuel [as]. You will see that Allah did seal the heart of Goliath. You will see that Allah did not seal the hearts of Zacharia, John, Jesus, Mary, Elizabeth the mother of John [as]. You will see that Allah did not seal the hearts of Muhammad [sa] and his companions [RA]. You will see there are muslims following Muhammad[sa] even today while you with your sealed heart refuse to follow Muhammad [sa]. Its you who allow the sealing of your heart to tae place. When you die,which is a must, you will see that it is completely sealed if you remain defiance to guidance.Even if these people whom Allah chose to seal their hearts, did something wrong why he, instead of opening their hearts should seal them? You will see there are muslims following Muhammad[sa] even today while you with your sealed heart refuse to follow Muhammad [sa]. Its you who allow the sealing of your heart to take place. When you die,which is a must, you will see that it is completely sealed if you remain defiance to guidance. The fault is all yours because you have encountered on nl messengers of the Messenger [sa], giving you the message without addition or subtraction.How dare you put the blame on me when many verses make it clear Allah seals peoples heart, blind them and make them deaf? Maybe you're right as this verse says “Do they not then earnestly seek to understand the Qur'an, or are their hearts locked up by them?” (Q.47.24) But the following verses assert that Allah misleads people by making their deeds pleasing to them. As to those who believe not in the Hereafter, We have made their deeds pleasing in their eyes; and so they wander about in distraction. [27:4] “Nay! to those who believe not, their pretence seems pleasing, but they are kept back (thereby) from the path. And those whom Allah leaves to stray, no one can guide.” [13:33]" Yet, in other places it is Satan that makes their sinful act seem pleasing to them. “..On the contrary their hearts became hardened, and SATAN made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them. [6:43] Remember SATAN made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them, and said [8:48] So who's misguiding people? The people by themselves or Satan or Allah? i just destroyed your poor argument. you are a poor lawyer who should be disbarred for hiding evidence. Go to jail for a long time. And no club med for you. you should do hard labor."Do ye desire to guide him whom Allah led astray? Whom Allah leads away, you will find no way for him." (4:88). "… Thus doth Allah leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth:. (74:31) Why would Allah deliberately lead people astray instead of guiding them? And then punish them? Is this justice? What would you say of a king that cuts the feet of his subjects and orders them to run and then burns them for not running. Wouldn't you say such a king is a psychopath? Would the almighty God act like a psychopath? Unless Allah doesn't give a fair trial there's no way am going to jail. |
F00028: so you think the bible has any regard for the femaleThis is not rape. It's for those that unmarried people that commit ƒornication. -cruel inhuman treatment and rape – Zechariah 14:-2, Judges 21:10-24, Judges 5:30.Again these are actions of people reported and their punishment for it as well. The rest are warnings of punishment for going against God. Yeah chiristians like to claim that but they are all very relevant according to Jesus- mat. 5:17, 18And Jesus said he has fulfilled those laws and it's no longer required of us. no, he didn’t.O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. sahih bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301 that incident by the historian ibn ishaq most likely never happened. his work is questionable his sources unverified.Do you agree with him? He's argument was that both Quran and the entire hadiths were forged by arab leaders and that Muhammad did not exist. Lol chineke! you think it makes any difference to the victim whether he/she was violated by say, your uncle who is just a simple Christian or a bishopOf course if any does that he'll be condemned and punished. Pls do the right thingnd condemn Muhammad for violating a 6yr old. Peace |
Sweetnecta: @Paris_Love: Is this verse from the Quran in bold not talking about the disbelievers, the non muslims? Who has Allah put the seal upon their hearts so that they are not believers in Allah, but the non muslims? Paris_Love are you a muslim, so that this verse is not addressing, you talking about your heart as sealed?The bold part is my argument. Quran claimed Muhammad was sent to the whole mankind. But Allah has seal the heart of not only me but the whole of unbelievers and If Allah has put the seal upon the people’s hearts and warning or not warning them makes no difference, then what is the point of sending Muhammad? Just a futile errand i must say The Quran of Allah praises Muhammad [sa] who is the Messenger of Allah, the companions [ra] of Muhammad and chose Islam as the religion from Allah. How is it that you can not see this and thinks that Quran is praising the christians, not the jews or other and not even the muslims? Where is logic in your statement? Does the Gospel blame the christians while praising the jews, hindus, etc and the muslims? if this is so, why are you a christian? I am a muslim for many reason including the fact that Quran praises Islam, Muhammad [as] and Muslims following Muhammad [sa] in worshiping God Almighty Allah.What has Allah praising Muhammad and Christians(also curses them) got to do with the fact that he seal our heart and warning or not warning us makes no difference? I've got a good case on Allah on judgment day. There's no way he'll send me to hell given what's written in that verse. He sealed my, it ain't my fault ![]() am angry at your proposal.I just lawyered my way into heaven. Be happy for me. ![]() |
Simple question that deserves a simple answer. The verse made it clear Jesus was faultless therefore his message would be faultless. Why send a man with many faults(Muhammad was a chronic sinner) correct a faultless message?? ![]() "It is equal to them, whether you warn them or not, they will not believe. Allah has put the seal upon their hearts." (2:6-7) The above verse renders futile the whole idea of prophethood(@ least Muhammad's). If Allah has put the seal upon the people’s hearts and warning or not warning them makes no difference, then what is the point of sending messengers? It simply does not make sense that a wise God seal the hearts of the people and send messengers to guide them knowing that they will not be guided thanks to his little operation on their hearts. ![]() It just doesn't add up. ![]() |
homaticaya: Abeg back to the topic, why digress from it?The first important observation is to recognize that Jesus does not speak about " the sword ", but about" a sword ". Jesus is not a prophet of the sword. The sword of violence, force and war has no place in his message. What kind of sword is he talking about? The above passage speaks about the consequence of being obedient to the command of Jesus that we are to preach his message. Some will listen and accept it but many will reject it and react violently. We will be hated for the message of repentance that we have to bring. We will be hated because we call people from evil to light and because this message exposes their evil deeds. For many it will mean that even our own family will turn against us. What kind of sword? It is the sword of division that God's word brings. It is the division of truth from error,and the reaction of the darkness against the light. The sword that Jesus brings, is the sword that his followershave to suffer, a sword that is applied to them, not a sword that they wield against others. And exactly that happens in many countries. The fellowship of believers, while full of peace, incurs the wrath of the nonbelievers. Christians are gathering peacefully, yet are persecuted. Woe to you, Chorazin! woe to you, Bethsaida! ...But I tell you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for Tyre and Sidon than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You shall be brought down. (Luke 10:13)Ditto what? Am sure you're aware of the concept of sin and punishment. ![]() And every one who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name's sake, will receive a hundred-fold, and inherit eternal life. (Matthew 19:29)By definition, Jesus is a cult leader - and a very effective one with big enticement.hahahah really? So it's now a crime now to reward good deeds? I'd hate to bring your Allah into this. But he's also a cult leader according to your own definition. SMH Do you think I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division; for henceforth in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three; they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. (Luke 12:51-53)Luke 12:51-53confirms the interpretation of Matt. 10:34. Jesus did not endorse physical violence against one’s own family, but he warns people about possible family division of those who follow him. Explained that above. For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places: all this is but the beginning of the sufferings. (Matthew 24:7-Jesus was talking about end times. Try read it in context. [b]Now as He [Jesus] sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying,"Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, "I am the Christ," and will deceive many. And you willhear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must cometo pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.All these are the beginning of sorrows. "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preachedin all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.(Matthew, 24: 3-14)[/b] But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who curse you... (Luke 6:27-Evil people hate good people and make enemies with them. What sort of silly question is this in the first place ![]() l you, on the day of judgment men will render account for every careless word they utter; for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 12:36-37)We can kill someone, as long as we speak properly.ok now this is getting pathetic. Where does the verse suggest such? Or you implying that nowhere in the bible did Jesus not warn that killing is a sin? Matt19:18 he asked 'what commandment' Jesus answered 'Do not commit murder do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not accuse anyone falsely' You are my friends if you do what I command you. (John 15:14)Yeah, that's what I tell all my friends too.Sure you can.'Tell me your friends and I'll tell you who you're.' Now you know Christ is my friend, you can call me a saint. Am heaven bound ![]() Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For the same reason you also pay taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due. (Romans 13:1-7)Gee, I wonder who wrote these passages?Gee i wonder what's wrong with this passage? You really lack sense of patriotism. Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do right.... Fear God. Honor the emperor. (1 Peter 2:17)There's the answer.1 Peter 2:17 Respect everyone, love your neighbors, honor God and respect the leader. It's definitely an answer Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for any honest work ...(Titus 3:1)How convenient for the rulers!So what? be disobedient and dishonest @ your place of work? Obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account. (Hebrews 13:17)Truly Christianity is a religion created by rabblerousers!Lol, i think your problem is that christianity is so peaceful it's impractical Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. (Matthew 22:21)Now, in whose interest would it be for "Jesus" to exhort people to give all their money to the emperor?give unto cesar what's cesar's and God unto what's God's. Are you promoting tax evasion? For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? Go judge those outside. "Drive out the wicked person from among you." (1 Corinthians 5:12-13)The Watchtower of the Jehovah's Witnesses says of this passage: "Today, the Bible-based practice of disfellowshipping unrepentant wrongdoers has served to keep our worship clean and pure."5:12For what have I to do to judge them also that arewithout? do not ye judge them that are within?5:13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. The verse is obviously talking about sanctioning wrongdoers in the church. I don't know what you're quoting. Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. (Matthew 7:1-2)Just a tad schizophrenic with the above - and the day of judgment.Yep Jesus will judge the world Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me." (John 5: 20-30) You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. (John 8:44)Jesus is a self-hating Jew.Maybe you should read the verse in context 37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed: yet ye seek to kill me, because my word hath not free course in you. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I came forth and amcome from God; for neither have I come of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. Hewas a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. 45 But because I say the truth, ye believe me not. Telling the truth to your own people does not constitute self hating. SMH ...a Canaanite woman ...came out and cried, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely possessed by a demon. But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, "Send her away, for she is crying after us." He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." But she came and knelt before him, saying, "Lord, help me." And he answered, "It is not fair to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." (Matthew 15:23)A woman of a different ethnicity approaches the Savior with a sick daughter, and he ignores her and then calls her a dog! And only the house of Israel is to be saved.If don't find the bold insulting why should you do the latter? He wasn't insulting israel when he called them lost sheep, why should you think he was when he called the cannaite woman dog? It's just a figure of speech. It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and of a kind that is not found even among pagans; for a man is living with his father's wife.... Let him who has done this be removed from among you.... with the power of Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan, for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (1 Corinthians 5:1-5)In other words, it's best to murder him in order to "save" him. If you had quote the whole you would gotten the whole picture. Paul wasn't talking about murder For there are many insubordinate men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially the circumcision party; they must be silenced ...(Titus 1:10-11)In other words, the Jews.Off topic. What does this has to do with Christianity not Not been peace? Christian Psycho-Sexual Pathology and Foolishness But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Matthew 5:27)Is it any wonder that they're so uptight? Attraction and flirting are sins!Lust is not attraction. The verse makes it clear. But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:39)Throw out the wicked one from among you, but do not resist him? And not only a pacifist but a masochist.Matt5:39 Do not take revenge for someone who wrongs you. If any strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also. Woe to the world for temptation! ...And if your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life maimed or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire. (Matthew 17:7-9)We don't see a lot of self-mutilated one-eyed or one-handed Christians walking aroundMatthew 17:7-9 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) 7 and Jesus having come near, touched them, and said, `Rise, be not afraid,' 8 and having lifted up their eyes, they saw no one, except Jesus only. 9 And as they are coming down from the mount, Jesuscharged them, saying, `Say to no one the vision, till the Son of Man out of the dead may rise.' For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it. (Matthew 19:12)And castrated! Perhaps most are.off topic. What does this has to do with christianity not been peace? Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.... (John 6:53-53)Isn't it nice we can get so cozy through cannibalism?Jesus gave them bread and wine. No mention of cannibalism there.. Christian Sexism and Slavery It is well for a man not to touch a woman. But because of the temptation to immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. 1 Corinthians 7:1-2Touching women is immoral.Yes, don't sexually harass women. Go and get a wife and be a peaceful citizen. But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of every woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.... any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head ...For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair ...For a man ought not to cover his head; since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) 1 Corinthians 11:2-10The idiotic and sexist story of Adam and Eve turns science on its head by making the man the creator of human life, rather than the woman. Man is woman's God.off topic. What does this has to do with christianity not been peace? Wives, be submissive to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands. (Ephesians 5:21-24)Again, the man is basically equivalent with God.Verse25 husbands love your wife as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it. He did this to dedicate the church to God by his word, after making it clean by washing it in water, 27 in order to present the church to himself in all it's beauty — pure and faultless without spot or wrinkle or any other imperfection. Men ought their wife as the love their own body. A man who loves his wife loves himself. what a peaceful home.[quote...the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)It is shameful for a woman to BE in church in the first place. Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet woman will be saved through bearing children, if she continues in faith and love and holiness, with modesty. (1 Timothy 11:15)Yes, shut up and stay pregnant. Very advanced.[/quote]1 Corinthians 11 [4] Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, [5] but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head -- it is the same as if her head were shaven.This means that St. Paul recognizes that women can publicly pray and prophesy in church--both activities involving speaking. Thus his later remarks about women remaining silent don't mean total silence. Wives, be subject to your husband, as is fitting in the Lord. Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them. Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord. Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged. Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing the Lord. (Colossians 3:18-22)What were expecting? Sura an-Nisa' 4:34 ...As to those women On whose partye fear Disloyalty and ill-conduct Admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them?? 1st verbal abuse, 2nd psychological abuse and finally physical abuse??huh Sorry my bible doesn't teach such wickedness to women.....and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be sensible, chaste, domestic, kind, and submissive to their husbands, that the word of God may not be discredited.... Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect ...(Titus 2:4-9)It doesn't discredit the word of God that women and children are to be slaves and servants of men?no it doesn't. Read from verse1 it asked men to do the same. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste ...Revelation 14:3-4So the 144,000 are all men? And women are defiling. A gay heaven?off topic, what does this verse has to do with christianity not being peace. Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ ...(Ephesians 6:5)In other words, be happy about your wretched state - and fearful!in others be as peaceful as you can. When in captive don't do anything stupid that may lead to the death of others.in others be as peaceful as you can. When in captive don't do anything stupid that may lead to the death of others. Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to the kind and gentle but to the overbearing. For one is approved if, mindful of God, he endures pain while suffering unjustly. For what credit is it, if when you do wrong and are beaten for it you take it patiently? But if when you do right and suffer for it you take it patiently, you have God's approval. 1 Peter 2:18-20So, if God is "good" and is in charge of everything, why does anyone suffer unjustly? Unless God is a sadist, and we are meant to be masochists.Jesus warned that those that follow him will be persecuted. Remain peaceful even in the face of persecution. God bless |
Why did you hide my post now? I thought it was 'brilliant'. What was wrong with it? Mtwsssss |
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Hmm, thread on sharia land made front page. snubish: sorry about the delay mac, was really time constrained. i sent u an e mail. i don't want to post it here, some of her opinions are controversial and may influence some people.Nawa o. Why are you people ashamed of everything islam? Why can't you post the blog? Why are you ashamed and going rioting for every movie that depicts your prophet? Re you scared of what you might see in the movie? As for me I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ because is the power unto salvation for everyone that believes. Romans 1:16 And How did this made front page? It's not even trending. ![]() |
hadbak: I don't have 2 reply all ur jagonsHahahaha i did nothing but quote your Quran. so you agree all that's in the Quran re Jargons? Why do you still believe in Jargons? See how confused you muslims can be. Lol |
F00028: really, that's your responseThe bible never mentioned the date of Jesus birth just like it never mentioned the age of Mary. And no biblical acct suggests she was a 12yr old. Pls quit the assumptions, your Quran(don't know if you read it) shuns it. ofcoure they do! they were following Joseph and "the mother of God's" example.You would've had a good argument if provided references. And as far as i know, non of these allegations re in the NT. Christianity is new testament. "Old things have passed away" [/quote]there really isn't a lot of regard for the female in christianityLol, another baseless argument. Didn't your prophet say that women(muslimahs) re stup!d and deficient in knowledge? liar, liar.i don't lie ![]() Muhammad lusts after a crawling baby-girl (Suhayli, ii.79: In the riwaya of Yunus I. I recorded that the apostle saw her (Ummu’l–Fadl) when she was a baby crawling before him and said, ‘If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her.’ But he died before she grew up (ibn Ishaq, 2001, p. 311) so? because YOU never see nko?Call it whatever you like. I've not seen or read of a rabbi that married a 3yr old. Rabbis re not ped0philes like your mullahs. Show me 1 and I'll condemn it like am doing your Mullahs. Only perverts can have šexual feelings for a 3 or 9yr old girls. since we're on about possibilities, there's also every possible chance that every man in your family is a ped0phile.Non of the men in my family claimed to be a moral figure to be emulated (You [Muhammad] are an exalted character of tremendous morality Q68:4) As egregious as the claim above is, is not a possibility that your prophet lusted after a crawling baby and violated countless widows and a 9yr old, it's a well documented fact by muslim historians. Peace. |
i hope the flamingos won't concede 11 like their gambian sisters |
F00028: -Mary the mother of Jesus according to the Oxford Dictionary of the Bible was pregnant at the age of 12 and married off to Joseph between the ages of 7 and 9.Is oxford dictionary my bible? christian Byzantine emperors and nobilities also had bride as young as 8 years old.Those emperors and noblities re not authorities or models to be followed in Christianity. Their actions do not correspond with the basic teachiñgs of christianity. And didn't your prophet lust after a crawling baby? Umar later snatched her up @ 5 - in response to Numbers 31:17-18 your scholars say Moses directed the killing of every girl 3 years upward.Dem say who say na dem go tire e. See me see wahala - even Rabbis explicitly state numerous times in the Talmud: "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse".Do i seem jewish to you? Am yet to see or hear of rabbi that married a 3yr old. There's a every possible chance that your imam is a ped0phile fu©king an underage girl as that's halal. |
LagosShia: Please refer to this thread to see that Aisha was at least 15 year old and could have being 19 year old or more as at the time she was married by the Prophet (sa):Nope it's betrothal; The Quran has stipulated a waiting period for divorced women to get remarried. This waiting period is called Iddah as mentioned in the Quran. But there is an exception; Allah, the God of the Quran, prescribes no Iddah for a category of divorced women: O ye who believe! If ye wed believing women and divorce them before ye have touched them, then there is no period that ye should reckon. But content them and release them handsomely.[Quran. 33:49] From this verses, it is understood that Iddah (stipulated waiting period) is tied to consummation of the marriage. If a woman is divorced by her husband before touching her, i.e. before having sex with her, she need not observe any waiting period to get remarried. Clearly the reasons for Allah to stipulate Iddah is to avoid chances of pregnancy as a result of sexual relations between the married couple before their divorce. In cases of divorces, where the husband had sex with the wife, the Quran specifies the Iddah , a waiting period of three months, in verse 65:4: Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy. Let us sum up the two verses: a woman, divorced before sex, need not observe any Iddah at all [33:49]. But what is the reason for the prescribed Iddah for girls, who haven’t menstruated yet? It is, obviously, because šexual intercourse has occurred between the child and her husband. It is, thus, clear that marrying prepubescent girls and having sex with them is sanctioned by the Quran. |
hadbak: [/b][b]I believe you too sir, you're an intelligent person. You could've replied the whole my post or You suffering from selective amnesia?? BetaThings: Can women now speak in the Church? Check Corinthians (NT)Why re you all suddenly suffering from selective amnesia? pls if don't have anything more sensible to say. DO NOT QUOTE ME AGAIN |
Yea have seen your sites before. Pls visit this site as well. It countered all those arguments. And ped0phila is sanctioned in your Quran Surahtul At-Talaq 65:4 http://www.islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/pedophilia-in-islam/pedophilia-islam.htm#Ch6 http://www.islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/pedophilia-in-islam/pedophilia-islam.htm |
homaticaya: 1) My God!!! did u really study in English or some archaic language, you don't really expect me to start explaining the verses of the Bible to you, Do you, plssssss for God sake, what is this part of the verse talking aboutLol we've Pastors that re the bolded? Even if we do that's not the norm. The murderers and molesters re criminals, when they're caught, they're despised and punished. The difference is that ped0philes in the Christian society are despised and if caught go to jail while you worship a ped0phile and follow his examples. How dare you talk about molestation when your prophet was a ped0phile? You don’t seem to be aware of how much fool of yourself you make when you blame Christianity for crimes of some of their sick individuals and forget the man whom you call a prophet was a ped0phile. Having sex with a 9-year-old child at the age of 53 for someone who called himself the best of creation is not a “ matter of taste”. It is disgusting. How can a 53 year old man have sexual feelings of a 9 year old child? Children at that age do not have femininity. The thought of that is just sickening. This is not the question of perversity. This is a question of insanity. Muhammad's lust for women is not insane. It's perversity. But having sexual feelings of a 9 year old child is insanity. That man was sick in the head. How can any sane person follow such a monster? Muslims must be ashamed for not seeing anything wrong in that and justifying it by nonsensical talks of moral relativism. Pedophilia is a crime and it is ®ape. Even when the child is allegedly consenting, the consensus of a child is not an alibi. When Muhammad had sex with under age children he was committing the crime of ®ape. In Christian society people have zero tolerance for pedophilia! Pedophiles are hunted and brought to justice even if the crime has happened decades ago. The westerners have a good handle over this problem. Pedophilia is a problem in Islamic world. Most Sheikhs are ped0philes. Most Mullahs are ped0philes. Your Prophet was a ped0phile and pedophilia is promised as a heavenly reward to Muslim men. Now back @ your quote the bible makes it clear that the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:21-23 New International Version (NIV) 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become servants of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Amen Say Amen ![]() |
maclatunji: By their ignorance and mindlessness, we shall know the automatons who can barely spell their names but are "authorities" on things they have not ever tried to ask about talkless of learn.Keep coming out clean. So that's why you ban people left, right and center in your sharia land because it's annoying to see these Christian infidels post most of the time the obvious truth about your desert religion. #Ok |
If the topic was "Christians rioting over Jesus wife" You would've seen it on front page. But since they're not and putting it up there would make muslims look bad. They dare not. This kind double standard. ![]() |
OP too much copy and paste is not good for your brain. All this islamic websites bashing christianity with no proof whatsoever. All this re judaism not Christianity. And next time you're copying and pasting, read it. Like this verse below really makes you look a fool. ![]() Infidels and Gays Should DieWhere does it say infidels and gays should go and die? Pls visit www.jihadwatch.org
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LagosShia: Your "god" was "crucified" in the midst of two criminals and was begging "Elah" not to forsake him and you're here talking nonsense.you actually made me laugh (at your ignorance).It's good to know you accept he was really crucified something your own god denied 600yrs later. it seems you know better after all. I now know who the laugh is really directed @Holy Quran 13:32Lol all nah wash. Who and who did he chastise? Let him chastise those infidels making cartoons and films about his beloved prophet INSTEAD OF Holy Quran 33:57Cursing and whining like a baby. Talk the talk and walk the walk. ![]() Signing off on this thread. Do not Quote me ![]() |
esn1: @ Paris love, seems you ave an in depth knowledge of the quoran abi quaranNot so much dear, that book can make a very boring read. How you doing? ![]() |

it's obvious there re those whom he guides and there those he leads astray. 

