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Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 8:41am On May 22

1King 22:

23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

MaxInDHouse:
God arranged for His message so that mankind can know who is the true God out of all the spirits (demons) claiming God.
So God used His message as a knockout to silence all demons but the demons didn't just fold their arms they fought back by disguising as angels of God to misconstrue God's message to humans {2Corinthians 11:14} they used the same book but it's their own agents that was carrying it {2Corinthians 11:15} while they keep on fighting against God's faithful servants! Revelation 2:10

So how can we be assured that what we have is the perfect word of God as revealed from the divine?

God promised that during the endtime His word will be used to achieve global peace among His true worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} but if that didn't happen then it means the word still has certain errors or is filled with misinformation.

Today what God promised has been fulfilled that is evidence that God's word has been perfectly preserved!🙂

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 8:38am On May 22

The entire bible is replete with human sacrifice to yhwh there is no way to duck it. Whether it is Abraham sacrificing Isaac. God demanding the first born of ever living thing including humans. All the way up to Jesus being a sacrifice to yhwh. There is no way to dodge it.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 7:59am On May 22

I remember you better now. You’re a JW. The fakest of the lot, with your own twisted mistranslation of bible.

Na tat ti, means to give, not to allow. There is no context in Hebrew where it means to allow. Lying JW.

MaxInDHouse:
Humbly ask questions instead of quickly concluding on what you don't understand.

Here is the correct translation of what you quoted:

I also allowed them to follow regulations that were not good and judicial decisions by which they could not have life. I let them become defiled by their own sacrifices—when they made every firstborn child pass through the fire—in order to make them desolate, so that they would know that I am Jehovah. Ezekiel 20:25-26

Ask questions not concluding hastily!🙂

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 7:53am On May 22

QuinQQ:
Oh now he wants anecdotes. Is fearlessness anecdote enough 4 ya? One time in a new place between sleep and wake a demon appeared and politely asked if I could accommodate him. I was not scared at all. I told him to disappear as I belonged to Jesus. He hurriedly went out through the window

This one is presenting a schizophrenic hallucination as evidence that he has peace.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 10:00pm On May 21

PastorAIO:
I made a post earlier today quoting Ezekiel 20:25 and 26
It would fit in this thread.

25Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and rules by which they could not have life, 26and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.

The words of your ghoul

Can you imagine a so called deity that tells his devotees to sacrifice their first born children?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 9:55pm On May 21

QuinQQ:
Oh now he wants anecdotes. Is fearlessness anecdote enough 4 ya? One time in a new place between sleep and wake a demon appeared and politely asked if I could accommodate him. I was not scared at all. I told him to disappear as I belonged to Jesus. He hurriedly went out through the window

You are not ready for a conversation

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 9:55pm On May 21

MaxInDHouse:
The simple question you keep dodging is:

Who arranged for the LOGOS?

As long as you keep on dodging that question you have no business with what i have to say about the Bible!🙂

Your question is dumb? How about you ask, ‘ who arranged for god?’

I put out a full comprehensive thread on how I understand Logos.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 9:53pm On May 21

MaxInDHouse:
The simple question you keep dodging is:

Who arranged for the LOGOS?

As long as you keep on dodging that question you have no business with what i have to say about the Bible!🙂

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 9:30pm On May 21

I made a post earlier today quoting Ezekiel 20:25 and 26
It would fit in this thread.

25Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and rules by which they could not have life, 26and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.

The words of your ghoul

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 9:27pm On May 21

QuinQQ:
A question that should not even arise. Below is what I wrote. Did you miss the circled?

If you don’t have any actual anecdotes to share then abeg let’s just leave it.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 9:05pm On May 21

QuinQQ:
Because you keep asking the same question, even throwing in "don’t act dense", even after my long epistle detailing some biblical promises!

I asked you how it working in your life expecting personal anecdotes and you’re giving me bible verses. Abi is it that you don’t understand English? What language would you rather communicate in?

Then you claim to have peace yet you are not demonstrating peace.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 8:34pm On May 21

QuinQQ:
Are you kidding or what? And he keeps saying "placebo". My friend I have a very peaceful, successful, and miracle-filed life simply because I believe all the Biblical promises and they work in my life!

Why are you shouting with all your ‘are you kidding’ etc.? Surely you’re capable of having a civil discussion? Or is this part of your ‘peaceful’ life?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 7:56pm On May 21

MaxInDHouse:
You are trying to be dubious shey?🙂

If you believe there is any logos my question to you for quoting me is:

Why did God arrange for the so called LOGOS?🙂

I have made a comprehensive explanation of what I understand by Logos here:
https://www.nairaland.com/184102/logos#2950048

Precisely here:

https://www.nairaland.com/184102/logos#74851283

Now what do you have to say in defence of your genocidal filicidal tome of nastiness you call the bible?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 6:06pm On May 21

It is a simple question. Don’t act dense. How has your placebo helped you in your life?

QuinQQ:
It's almost like you don't know what you're saying. Have u read some of what Lord Jesus promises his followers? Abundance and peace here on earth and heaven afterwards.
Mark 16
"In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
I take all that literally.
Or
John 14:27 (NIV), where Jesus says: "Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid"
Or
Matthew 6:33 - "But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you"

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 6:04pm On May 21

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it's very very relevant this is what i typed that you quoted:

I didn't mention Bible in that post so if you're not patient then you don't have to quote me in the first place.
You said there is Divine Logos and so i asked you who arranged it?

Simple!

This thread is about bible. You brought up ‘god’s word’. I told you god’s word (logos) has nothing to do with bible.

If you have anything to say in defence of your compilation of texts called bible then bring it forth .

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 4:52pm On May 21

MaxInDHouse:
So you believe God arranged the Divine Logos right?

This is irrelevant, we are talking about the bible. What do you have to say in defence of the bible?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 4:51pm On May 21

QuinQQ:
Exactly. We as humans will never know. BUT I CHOOSE to believe 100% that it is! That's where my power comes from as a believer, NOT endless, fruitless questionings and investigations!
(I modified my post by the way)

And I take it that it doesn’t matter to you whether or not the provenance of the bible is proven to be merely human, and worse still the basest of human expression.
How, if I may ask, has this approach helped you in your life? I understand the case of placebo in medicine where we can see a correlation with a patient’s heath improvement and the patient’s belief that the pure chalk that he is swallowing is actually medicine. Placebo has been proven in medicine.
Please in your case, how has believing the bible to have divine provenance improved your life?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 4:45pm On May 21

Truthseeker10:
What Is the name of the Creator?

This is irrelevant to the discussion

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 1:57pm On May 21

Believing god is omnipotent and can get ‘his intended words’ to people does not automatically mean that the bible is such an ‘intended words’.

QuinQQ:
Very well-written. But I answer you with same words I used for guy above:
You believe God is omnipotent yet you don't believe same God can get something as important as his intended words (or the Bible exactly as he intended it) into the hands of men. And that he can do this through human manipulations and misinterpretations!

As for your insistence on "truth" and questioning, if you truly start questioning, the first few questions will collapse everything: where did God come from, who created God? If God is so human-like and so into human affairs, why doesn't he simply show himself directly in a way that leaves nothing to doubt? Why do unspeakable evil and massive natural disasters exist? Etc.

Non of these questions are answerable from our human perspective (I mean answering them honestly and directly not the usual "uncaused cause" convoluted answer).
So if you consider your faith valuable and important to you, you spend your time on things that strengthen it, NOT on things that are, frankly, beyond you as a human being (like what are the exact original words Genesis?!)

Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 12:47pm On May 21

MaxInDHouse:
So who arranged the "Divine Logos" ?

Don’t go off topic. I’ve told you that the Divine Logos is NOT the bible in any of its various compilations or versions.
The bible is the topic so leave the Divine Logos. I’ve already said that it is conflated with the bible. You are trying to use this conflation to spread lies. Don’t!

Back to the bible, who arranged it?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 11:14am On May 21

I like your line of reasoning

Theawakensoul:
Honestly, I think that’s one of the best questions anyone has asked so far.

Because yes…
despite translations, edits, interpretations, church politics, and centuries of human involvement…

👉 the Bible is still helping some people.

I acknowledge that fully.

Some people have found through it:
👉 hope
👉 healing
👉 purpose
👉 discipline
👉 inner strength
👉 spiritual meaning

And I don’t think that should be dismissed casually.

But here’s the deeper point I’m making:
Something being impactful does not automatically mean every part of its historical formation was untouched, perfect, or beyond examination.

Those are two different conversations.

A book can:
👉 transform lives
AND
👉 still have a complex human history.

For example:
music can heal people emotionally.
Stories can change lives.
Philosophy can awaken minds.
Poetry can transform consciousness.

Human beings are deeply affected by meaning.

So yes, the Bible absolutely carries power for some group of people.

But then we must ask:
👉 where does that power come from exactly?

Is it:
👉 divine inspiration?
👉 collective faith?
👉 spiritual symbolism?
👉 wisdom accumulated across centuries?
👉 psychological transformation?
👉 consciousness responding to meaning?

Maybe it’s a mixture of several things.

My point has never been:
👉 “the Bible is useless.”

My point is:
👉 people should understand WHAT the Bible actually is.

Not a book that fell complete from heaven untouched by history…

but a collection of writings:
👉 written by humans
👉 preserved by humans
👉 translated by humans
👉 selected by institutions
👉 interpreted across centuries

And despite all that…
many people still encounter wisdom, transformation, and spiritual awakening through it.

To me, that doesn’t weaken the conversation.

It actually makes it more fascinating.

Because maybe truth, meaning, and spiritual insight can still shine through imperfect human systems.

And maybe questioning history does not destroy spirituality…

maybe it helps people approach it more consciously.

I AM - THE AWAKEN SOUL (TAS)
QUESTIONING EVERYTHING 🌿

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 11:10am On May 21

MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe the Bible is God's word?

I believe in the Divine Logos which is badly translated into English as ‘word’. The bible is not the Divine Logos, no!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Justcool, What Was The Spiritual Significance Of The Second World War? by PastorAIO: 10:34am On May 21

DeepSight:
Possible. Its been ages anyhow. I do miss those days. Rare is the poster with the kind of quality some of you had.
Viaro, Mazaje, Kag, thehomer, prizm, mnwankwo, justcool, your good self to name a few.

Life happens. NL took up a lot of my time in those days.

Christianity Etc › Re: Contra Bibliolatreia I Mark 10:5 by PastorAIO(op): 10:33am On May 21

One of the clearer cases of redaction in the bible can be found when we look at the book of Ezekiel.
Specifically chapter 20:25

25Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and rules by which they could not have life, 26and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.

Here we find that there existed laws for human sacrifice in the laws given by yhwh however when we look at the Torah we no longer find those laws. They were later removed.

This is a strong case for redaction in the development of the bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: Contra Bibliolatreia I Mark 10:5 by PastorAIO(op): 10:11am On May 21

Ubenedictus:
Seems i left a question here unanswered

It is never too late to answer it. That’s if you’re still on nairaland

Christianity Etc › Re: Justcool, What Was The Spiritual Significance Of The Second World War? by PastorAIO: 9:43am On May 21

DeepSight:
I never thought you were Christian at at any point after I had gotten a little used to you.

I always feared that you didn’t always get what I was saying. I felt that you were pushing your own ideas unto my words, for your own purposes

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 9:40am On May 21

MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe the Bible?🙂

Believe as how? I believe such a thing exists. I believe it contains some historical events. I also believe it contains some cultural and mythological stories. I believe it contains some politically motivated stuff too.
I also believe that the creator is expressed in creation.

In what sense do you mean believe?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Has Been Changed, Translated, And Edited For Centuries… So What Are Pe by PastorAIO: 9:48pm On May 20

MaxInDHouse:
Why did God arrange for His message to be written?

If you don't know the purpose of God's word you can't know whether it has been well preserved. Daniel 12:10🙂

Who said god arranged anything?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Justcool, What Was The Spiritual Significance Of The Second World War? by PastorAIO: 1:27pm On May 20

DeepSight:
And looking for whom thou shalt devour?

Devourer is reserved by yhwh for those of his followers that don’t want to pay tithe.

Christianity Etc › Re: Justcool, What Was The Spiritual Significance Of The Second World War? by PastorAIO: 11:57am On May 20

DeepSight:
Chief, where hath thou been?

roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.
Job 1:7

Christianity Etc › Re: Justcool, What Was The Spiritual Significance Of The Second World War? by PastorAIO: 11:54am On May 20

DeepSight:
You and this linear vs cyclical thing sha. Aite.

It’s the belief that history occurs in cycles rather than a linear progressive trend. The cyclical belief is that cultures/empires rise and fall and will rise again and fall again in an eternally recurring cycle. In fact everything in life undergoes this cycle, a constant death and rebirth and death and rebirth. Ad infinitum.

The linear view, which is blinkered in my opinion, posits a world that starts in the distant primitive past and develops progressively until it reaches a culmination.
This is a worldview posited by Abrahamic religions. The world starts at a point in the past, creation, and progresses to the day of final judgment where all of history culminates. There after the whole drama of history comes to an end.
This is also the paradigm of many evolutionary theorists who see life as progressing from simple forms into ever more complex forms.

As far as I can see all around me, it is the cyclical paradigm of processes that abound. All that progresses will some day fall back only to start again.
There is no final culmination. This is partly why I always evaded questions about ‘ultimate salvation’ in the past and insisted that I was only interested in how I live my life now, that the kingdom of heaven is at hand right now and it is how you live you life right now. Nothing is coming in the future that hasn’t already happened in the past. This was a point where I was at odds with many ‘Christians’ so I sought to avoid the issue.
Luckily now, I don’t identify as Christian though my beliefs remain mostly unchanged.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Justcool, What Was The Spiritual Significance Of The Second World War? by PastorAIO: 11:23am On May 20

DeepSight:
Oh! The good old days!

The good ol days are still ahead of us, l’asę Edumare

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