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Don't mind them. Lucifer simply means light bringer. Lucifer precedes the light and it is a reference to the planet Venus. In Isaiah it was used as a metaphor for the. King of. Babylon. Jesus in revelation uses it as a metaphor for himself. Jesus is the Lucifer. Yet after Lucifer comes a much brighter light, he is merely the herald of that brighter light which is the Dawn itself.

Iwo o ye
Emi o ye
You don't yield. I don't. yield.
Oye sese la bo Loke won se b'ojumo ni nmo.
The sun beams are breaking. through above yet they thought the. day had already. broken.

Maynmann:
The phrase “son of the dawn” refers to the (astronomical) “morning star”—the small light first visible above the horizon when the new day dawns. This was, in ancient terms, a way to refer to Venus, as it was that first light in terms of real naked eye astronomy. The ancients knew Venus was a planet, but often referred to it as the largest star (see Pliny, Hist. nat. 2.37). Venus, appearing just before the sun, heralds a new day. Because of this it was termed “morning star.”

MaxInDHouse:
You complicate issues for yourself when trying to separate man from man!

Whatever advancement in technology on this planet comes from just one specie: humans!

False.

elated177:
You are the one who is rattled and pertubbed. Here it is, again.

Whatever, I'm not competing with stupidity.

MaxInDHouse:
In other words all the billions of people who don't agree with you do not have this so called "common intelligence" then what makes it common?

People who lack intelligence are simply Stupid people.

2 plus 2 equals 4. With intelligence you can affirm this yourself. Without intelligence it will fly over your head. If you don't agree that 2 plus 2 equals 4 then You'll fall under the stupid category.

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever makes you and i disagree on terms and conditions of worship simply means the spirit beings we worship differs.
So use the same logic for all religions!

It's not always the terms and conditions of worship that determine what is being worshipped. After all Jesus said to the samaritan woman who worshipped, not in the temple but, on the mountain that they worshipped the same thing but the jews knew while the samaritans didn't know.

I'm sure your ghoul will accept all manner of misguided worship from as many victims as it can ensnare.

MaxInDHouse:
So what is the difference between you and the churchgoer who say listeners need some kind of spirit before they can understand his explanation?

The difference is that I am not saying that you need 'some kind of spirit'. You just need common intelligence yet I fear that your capacity in this vein is too limited to understand.

Yet for those who may grasp. We all know that the human mind is filled with all manner of conceits. Yet Esu is a deity of Truth and Justice. He therefore confounds those conceits that we hold dear. The experience of having your beliefs confounded is traumatic and most people cannot cope with it. It is for this reason that Esu is feared. Truth is too harsh.

There is the story of the two fast friends that everyone said were inseparable. Esu put this to the test. One day he walked between the two of them wearing a suit that was red on one said and black on the other. Both friends saw him and started to talk about him. "Did you see that guy in a red. suit?"
"Don't you mean the guy in a black suit"
|"no it was red"
"it was black"
"are you mad, or blind"
"how dare you call me blind, you're the one who is blind"
Then came a punch, answered with a kick, then full blown gidigbo.
Esu then returned to stop the fight and explained to them the power of perspective. Everybody is stuck in a perspective. From your angle you can see Esu and see a black suit, from another angle someone else will see a red suit. They are both correct from their perspectives yet they do not know the absolute truth.

This is the case with all of us about our thoughts and beliefs on everything. the human mind cannot grasp absolute truth because we are limited to a perspective. Those ideologies, theologies, doctrines, theories, cosmologies etc etc that we hold so dear and foolishly think makes us knowledgeable are not the truth and one day they will all fall to dust. Esu is the one that will destroy all those comforting doctrines that you cherish.

MaxInDHouse:
And may i not be a worshiper of a god whose worshipers can't agree on the same line of thought! Luke 11:23

Why not agree with your brother in faith first?

You and your strawmen. Do you even know what I worship?

Just projecting the poo in your soul. Did your cult not start because you could not agree with Seventh Day Adventist?

Remind me how many different sects and cults claiming to be the true worshippers of your ghoul there are.

budaatum:
I have one achievement of humans that is so wonderful that no other species can do it at all.

Writing the Bible. And for its wonderfulness, I present the number of years it has been in existence, and the generations of humans who have read it, and the fact that most of us discuss what is written in it more than any other book ever written, and many even believe what they read in it.

Name another species apart from humans that can write the Bible not to talk of better.

You got me there Buddha

Kobojunkie:
So basically very much the same appeasement achieved by pretty much anyone who obeys God's other laws?

Yes! so. when your ghoul gives you laws and statutes to sacrifice human beings to him you have to appease him by following the command.

MaxInDHouse:
The prophecy God gave Joel was fulfilled in the first century with Jesus' disciples {Act 2:18} it is not to extend beyond that period so Paul told the first century Christians that all such gifts will cease {1Corinthians 13:8} and towards the time of the end there will be spiritual darkness {Joel 2:31} meaning people can only wait until Bible prophecies are coming to fulfilment because God will no longer give anyone such gifts again! Revelations 22:18-19

So if you think people anticipating the Kingdom's birth are lying that's your own PERSONAL interpretation because this is what the true God told His worshipers regarding the day of judgement:

For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late! Habakkuk 2:3

Do you think true believers anticipating God's Kingdom are lying when their expectation delay?

You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth now.

First you say that prophecy was until Jesus but then you say Joel was talking of prophecy at Pentecost which occurred after Jesus.

Meanwhile your cult gurus in watchtower continue to fail in their prophetic claims.
You can excuse them all you want but a god whose people cannot understand or make accurate prophecy is a useless god.

You seem perturbed.

I didn’t realise it was a competition where i had to present something better. I’m sorry but I don’t compete with mad men.

elated177:
Na you get your mouth. Use it the way you like.

However, call them whatever you like from now to tomorrow, the fact still remains that they shook the world in their own time. The heavens and the earth responded to their call. The sun, the moon, the rain, thunder and lightning, the wind, heard their voices when they spoke. They were used by the Maker to relay very important message to his saints, servants and messengers. We, the saints, servants and messengers of the Creator/Maker, have confirmed what they relayed. So, no amount of insult will ever change that.


AIO, trying to malign those prophets will not give you the validity you crave so much. Now listen: the heavens and the earth responded to the call of those prophets. The sun, the moon, the rain, thunder and lightning, the wind, heard their voices when they spoke. AIO, can you beat that. If you believe you can, prove it. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, they say. Show us what you are offering, AIO.


Again, AIO, if you believe you have something better, present it and we will consider it. Trying to undermine the Might and Power of the Most High, YHVH Almighty, the one and only true God, the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them, in those great servants of his, by calling names, will not cut it.

AIO, just present your alternative. Finito! Okwu agwu la.

MaxInDHouse:
Oh that's what you're thinking!

Well the false prophets in the Old Covenant will be identified by their false prophecies because God will not allow their prophecies to come true. But now it's not by prophecy but by their FRUITS! Matthew 7:15-16

All you need is knowledge not pigheadedness Sir! Hosea 4:6

So that is why he now fills the mouths of his prophets with lies. Fake prophecies that fall to the ground like poo from a goats backside.

So when he made those promises in Joel 28:

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions.

Instead of a blessing the ghoul was cursing you with horrendously false prophecies and false dreams and visions. Actually that is so typical of it that I agree with you. You’re a true follower of the monstrosity.

Kobojunkie:
"appease" him in what sense?

If He commanded the cherem, how does the carrying out of his commandment amount to an appeasing of Him?

If God commands A and I do exactly A, does that also amount to my appeasing God in my obedience of His commandment? Or is there some sort of difference here?

Appease him I the sense that the Leviticus passage says ….

, so that the LORD will turn from His fierce anger, grant you mercy, show you compassion, and multiply you

Unless you don’t know what appeasement means.

MaxInDHouse:
After Jesus of Nazareth that era ended because the God of Israel never spoke anything through prophets anymore except through Jesus Christ {Hebrews 1:1-2} then Jesus began leading his disciples physically until he left the earth and later led them by the Spirit of God! John 14:26

So that is why your fake prophets from Watchtower are always. making nonsense. prophecies that fail.

MaxInDHouse:
Just point to one technological advancement of in the history of either elephant or dolphin!

It appears you. don't. know what. Intelligence is. You. want me to show something like aeroplane or microwave oven as the only. demonstration of. intelligence. That would mean that you don't. think that. aborigine people in the. amazon forest are intelligent.

It actually quite sad. by. your own definition you are not intelligent because in all. likelihood you. have never made a technological. advance.

MaxInDHouse:
Please what exactly do the worshipers mean by saying Èṣù shouldn't do them rather he should do someone else?
According to the worshipers of JEHOVAH none of them speak of JEHOVAH as if he shouldn't do them because they're confident that He is the best friend ever!

You don't. have the mental. capacity to understand it. I could try. to explain but I doubt that you'll get it. If you want me to. try though, I. will.

Kobojunkie:
Interpretation of?
In the link provided you will find the following ....

C/Herem is a word used for 'utter destruction'. This particular form of absolute destruction is a sacrificial offering to Yhwh. This is clear from other passages, for instance....

Deuteronomy 13: verses 15 to17

15you must surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword. Devote to destruction all its people and livestock. 16And you are to gather all its plunder in the middle of the public square, and completely burn the city and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. The city must remain a mound of ruins forever, never to be rebuilt. 17Nothing devoted to destruction shall cling to your hands, so that the LORD will turn from His fierce anger, grant you mercy, show you compassion, and multiply you as He swore to your fathers

Indeed there are offerings to Yhwh that involved the total destruction of the thing offered. It is Herem that is used in the Deuteronomy 13 passage.

Now if we look at. the Leviticus chapter 27:28 we find that the word Herem is used and we are also told that the Herem thing is 'most Holy to Yhwh'. This was not just a judicial execution. This was a ceremonial offering that involved utter destruction. It was done to appease yhwh.

MaxInDHouse:
Please come again with the verse.

Deuteronomy 18 verses. 20 to 22

20But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, orf who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ 21And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the LORD has not spoken?’— 22when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.



Please can you tell me how you understand it.

Kobojunkie:
A clue is found in the meaning and application of the word "cherem/Herem" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herem_(war_or_property)

Please apply your understanding of the word to an interpretation. Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Quote or cite the verse!

I did. How do you understand the quoted passage

KnownUnknown:
Here’s HaShit again.

Leviticus 27
But nothing that a person owns and devotes[k] to the Lord—whether a human being or an animal or family land—may be sold or redeemed; everything so devoted is most holy to the Lord.

29 “‘No person devoted to destruction[l] may be ransomed; they are to be put to death.

Can any bible student please explain this to me?

Also common is schizophrenics who hear the voice of god talking to them and telling them to do all sorts of things.

How is anyone sure that all those prophets from Moses up to St Paul etc we’re not raving schizophrenics?

MaxInDHouse:
Yes they can return for sure if JEHOVAH abandon His people!

Return from where?

MaxInDHouse:
JEHOVAH'S treatment of Egyptian and the way He brought the Israelites out of Egypt to walk on dry land through the red sea is enough warning message to all the Canaanites that the Almighty God is coming with the Israelites.
That's why Rahab of Jericho took side with JEHOVAH! Joshua 2:9-10

So He has sent a warning message ahead even a nation in Canaan used discernment to secure their own place they are called the Gibeonites! Joshua 9:3-21


Calm down and learn about the Holy One of Israel JEHOVAH!

So that was a warning. They were not even walking straight to Canaan according g to the bible but going round and round in circles for 40 years. Yęyę wanderers led by a yęyę yhwh.

What about the people that yhwh could not drive out because they had iron? Is yhwh that feeble that he cannot withstand iron? So Ogun is greater than yhwh.

MaxInDHouse:
The first sentence i'll translate in English:

"Èṣù, do not devastate my life please do that to someone else"

There's no other deity in Yorùbá mythology that's revered as evil one except Èṣù, all other gods have one thing or the other they can be contacted for benefits but this particular deity is only called upon ?

MaxInDHouse:
Please don't start arguing with insults remember how politely you came into the discussion!

MaxInDHouse:
You still have a long way to go but tribalism won't allow you see clearly.

You talk of arguing with insults. You asked if I was a tribalist I said I’m not a tribalist. Yet you continued to call me a tribalist as a way to delegitimise my points.

You didn’t even address any of the points I was making just carrying your goalpost from here to there in a bid to avoid an honest discussion.

First you started with a lie. You said that the oriki of Esu says that he shouldn’t devastate one but he should devastate another. That is a lie.

The oriki says , “ma se mi, elo mi ni ko se.” Literally in Yoruba that means don’t do me, do someone else.

‘Se mi’, ‘do me’ is very different from devastate me.
YET it is yhwh that claims to devastate people. And it is proud of the devastation it wreaks.

It is incredibly fascinating to see how yhwh’s victims often resort to projecting the vile character of themselves and their ghoul deity onto others.


YHWH boasts of lying and devastating people and yet you want to blame that on Esu.

MaxInDHouse:
When you talked about elephants were you referring to all elephants or you attributed what some did to quantify their specie globally?

I’m talking of the entire species of elephant. I’m sure some are more intelligent than others just as some humans are more intelligent than other humans.

It is demonstrable that there are many highly intelligent species which puts the lie to your claim that yhwh only created one intelligent specie. I’ll leave the lying bible out of this point though because at least this time your claim is not biblical.

To be continued

MaxInDHouse:
You're deceiving yourself!
A righteous God must have punishment for evildoers!
23

And for the children of evildoers and the children’s children of the wrong doers.

That one sounds like justice to you?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ there is no creature that's 0.000001% close to man, but if you want to contest this just point to one achievement of any other creature on this planet.

BOW! BOW!! BOW!!! Before the one and only true God: JEHOVAH the Bible's Author, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

He said man was created in the image of the Maker and only man can create things that are stronger the elephant!

You tell me the achievement of man that is so wonderful and I’ll see if I can’t name another species that can do it and even better. There are humans living in the Amazon forest, naked, no big buildings, close to nature, no modern technology. Are you suggesting that those ones are not intelligent or they were not made in the image of God?

I don’t know why you are ululating ‘Jehovah jehovah’. Is something paining you? You don’t even know his name sef, you just conjecture that it’s Jehovah.

MaxInDHouse:
That's to teach His worshipers that those demons are still hanging around, any rebellious act against the true God will attract condemnation and the demons will return !

So you don’t think that giving demons goats will make them return? Return from where sef? Where did they go? I thought they were in their domain.

MaxInDHouse:
He has sent a warning message but those demons deceived their worshipers to death!

Where did you read that one now o? Abi na personal revelation? When did yhwh send warning to canaanites and when did the bible say the demons deceived their worshipers.

MaxInDHouse:
The one and only God who came from nowhere and singlehandedly delivered people from slavery is the true God!

So he came from nowhere and only him waka from nowhere go Egypt. Because his domain is nowhere no wonder he is so jealous and thieving.

That must be what Jesus meant when he said birds has nests, foxes have holes but the son of yhwh had Nowhere.

MaxInDHouse:
The first sentence i'll translate in English:

"Èṣù, do not devastate my life please do that to someone else"

There's no other deity in Yorùbá mythology that's revered as evil one except Èṣù, all other gods have one thing or the other they can be contacted for benefits but this particular deity is only called upon for mischief.

Talk about devastation, no mythology or religion has a deity that likes to devastate as much as the filthy demon called Yhwh.

Isaiah 24
1Behold, the LORD will empty the eartha and make it desolate,
and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants.
2And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest;
as with the slave, so with his master;
as with the maid, so with her mistress;
as with the buyer, so with the seller;
as with the lender, so with the borrower;
as with the creditor, so with the debtor.
3The earth shall be utterly empty and utterly plundered;
for the LORD has spoken this word.