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esere826:
Even Trump will chuckle at our gullibility after reading this

Trump don talk am. He loves the uneducated, and he surrounds himself with dummies. But the real icing on the cake for me is his 'pastor' Paula White. Those that still follow after seeing her are gone past gullibility.

Olaadegbu is like a little satanic demon promoting evil and cloaking it in a facade of self proclaimed righteousness. If I didn't know him before this ai explosion I would have sworn that he was an ai bot programmed to promote irreligion.

rabzy:
2. The book of Enoch is not an authority for my beliefs. If you have reasons to believe it as inspired and everything there as truth, well that is your personal conviction. I am not convinced to believe it.

3. I think everything on this discussion centres on the book of Enoch, Maybe you should let me know why you believe in it.

I find it risible that anyone can base their religious authority on a text, any text at all. The very idea of scriptural authority is so pathetic, so... No, I don't feel that the book of Enoch, nor any other book in the bible, is more inspired that any other artefact of humanity. It is no more inspired than Leonardo Da Vinci's Mona Lisa, and quite probably even less inspired that that.

lawani:
Ogbo Ato awure Iworiwofun. What do you mean by provenance?

as in the source. Where did you get them?

Ogbo Ato! My brother what is the provenance of these odu ifa.

Edumare bless and protect you. Asę.

lawani:
New odus of ifa March 22 2026

Ika Ose

Nobody does things just because they can!

This was the IFA cast for the nuclear armed nations equipped with long range missiles who can destroy any country in military confrontation with them but don't.

They were advised to sacrifice
They listened and complied
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!
That you can, don't mean you should!

Owonrin Obara

Animals that farm no lands still get fed

This was the IFA cast for Nigeria whose leader President Buhari used the entire future revenue of the country to collateralize loans without having any plan on how to increase revenue
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!
Where then is the next government meal supposed to come from?


Oturupon Irosun

Revenue is the undoubtable indicator of population

This was the ifa cast for Akin Lawanson who said ‘If you have no revenue as a political constituency then I don't believe anyone is living on your land!’.
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!
Hips don't lie. Only big buttocks can support big panties ‘


Oyeku Irosun

A filled drum balances better than an empty drum.

This was the ifa cast for President Buhari of Nigeria who borrowed huge amounts of dollars in order to oversupply the forex market with dollars and thereby shore up the naira’s value.



Ika Oturupon

An emaciated old man knows the way to the stairs but will rather take the lift.

This was the IFA cast for the idol worshippers who prefer not to approach God directly for important matters. On the day they were coming from heaven to Earth
They were advised to sacrifice
They listened and complied
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!
Not all privileges or access should be taken for granted


Obara Osa

If I can wipe out my competition, I will also allow my competition to be able to wipe me out for mutual respect and prosperity

This was the ifa cast for the USA that watched on as the Soviets who were their arch rivals acquired nuclear weapons.

They were advised to sacrifice
They listened and complied
Not long after, meet us where we celebrate victory like Ogun at the feet of Obarisa


Oyeku Ika

It is a jolly ride when the government has paved the way

This was the IFA cast for the rice farmers and rice millers of Nigeria who were able to sell rice at over three times the international price because importation was banned



Odi Irosun

Big corporations deserve big help

This was the IFA cast for the domestic producers of cement in Nigeria on the day they were coming from heaven to Earth.
They were advised to sacrifice
They listened and complied
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!
The local producers of cement were sold to Nigerians at over three times the market price because the government supported them!



Irosun Irete

If something is tended, it will certainly blossom

This was the ifa cast for the human being who is in the habit of saving and investing on the day he was coming from heaven to Earth.
He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!.
If you save and invest, you may not end up as the richest person around but you will not remain the same, you will rise.


Irosun Okanran

The fastest race horse has often received the most lashes of the rider’s whip.

This was the IFA cast for the countries of the world who can only be ranked as very rich if their cost of living is ultra high and the people are struggling
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!
When you pay 20k dollars for services in your country that costs 1k dollars in some other countries, it is still rich you have to call it and not poor!

UncleCharles:
Please could you recite some of d verses that spoke of Jesus?

It was in Owonrin S'ogbe. I may have written it out earlier in this thread.

simplyaroy:
You will find that my post is coming a year too late. Had to register on nairaland so i can get across to you, i have been researching this issue for years, since it drew my curiosity as a kid. From what i gather, you have a policy not to exchange personal emails with people you meet via this medium. I'd be glad if u could make an exception for me. I trust you wont regret it. However u deem fit is the best way to get across to you, pls let me know. Anticipating your response

More than 10 years later, so sorry. (Go Slow dey for road )

Don't know if you're still around.

malvisguy212:
man was created in God’s image. Part of that image makes man a moral being. We are moral agents who make moral choices and are able to differentiate between right and wrong.

Funnily enough, in spite of claiming the bible god is the source of human morality, the fellow argues contrary to the bible.

The bible says man was created in the Elohim's image yet without conscience or morality.
Morality is explained in the same book as a consequence of later eating from the fruit of a tree of knowledge of good and evil. That is when Adam became moral and started to regard the world in terms of good and evil.

He looked upon his form that Elohim created and felt ashamed. The first moral judgement he made was a negative critique of what the Elohim had created.

Furthermore the 'objective moral judgement' that Slavery is Wrong is a moral stance that contradicts the god of the bible who is absolutely fine with it. If you think Slavery is Wrong, then you couldn't have got that insight from the god of the bible.

sonofthunder:
Still a good read

Thanks for this reminder. It seems that I abandoned it half through. I don't know if I was just distracted by life, or I was irritated by my interlocutor.

LordReed:
I think human consciousness is a gestalt of both the brain and the entire body.

Why stop there? It could involve the entire universe with absolutely everything in existence involved with what we call consciousness

elated177:
To your assertions above, I present the following portion of the Scriptures. Look at the italicized words.


Ezekiel 28: 11 The word of YHVH came to me: 12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign YHVH says:
“‘You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. 14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones.

What if all the messengers (angels) - including the fallen ones - were made of/from the same source?

This could quite possibly be the case. I don't really know the distinction between all the 'heavenly hosts'. What is the difference between a cherubim and a Djinn? Or a Seraphim and a 'Sons of God'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9pTbMoufp4?si=h7ulW9T1jxy7rNe9

I also wonder about the other organs. What is this fixation with the brain as if that is where consciousness or qualia is seated? What if emotions are connected to the state of other organs and glands. The production of adrenaline into the blood can 'cause' anxious feelings. Are the Adrenal glands the source of the feelings?

What about when a part of the brain is damaged and other parts of the brain take up the function of the damaged part? That suggests that these impulses cannot be limited to a location in the brain, and perhaps in the entire body. There is a Wholistic approach of the entire being.

plaetton:
I didn't watch the entire clip, but
My response is this :

Of course there are sooo much that we are still to understand about the laws nature and human life processes.
That's why we have science. Science is not dogma. Science is an inquiry, a never ending inquiry . We accept the things that we can empirically observe, and leave the rest in the domain of speculation, myths and superstitions until such a time that we get empirically observable proof.

So far, it has been working out very very well.
Our lives today, in this era, are living proof of the pre-eminence of the scientific method.

The video clip does not directly address this issue that you are talking about but I felt the topic was adjacent to it. that's why I threw it in.

As regards Dogma and Open inquiry, I find that both exist within the Science community as they do in every other intellectual community, whether religious, political or scientific.

In fact the recent years have shown us that there is indeed dogma in the scientific community to the extent that some people (Mr Fauci I'm looking at you) will say to the world, "I am The Science".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIVCAH-Tdy4?si=VlJqqg_6Ovk8yVD_

What is the difference here between Fauci and the millions of religious leaders that we have had in the past and still have till today? All bodies of knowledge and inquiry have to be guarded against this human tendency for dogmatism and attempts to use the discipline to accrue personal power. This is a human problem and has nothing to do with Science per se, or Religion per se.

plaetton:
Salutations sir.

Even when put in my own words, there is no claim I made here for which modern empirical studies do not support.

Catscans, MRIs ,etc, show us that all emotions and mental experiences carry or are simply unique electrical signals or impulses.

PastorAIO:
But Correlation is not equal to Causation. Some people see correlation between events that happen to a person and the position of planets in the heavens. But that does not mean that the movement of planets in heaven cause the events that happen to us.

On a slightly different note, have you checked out any of the work of Rupert Sheldrake?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrIlWrGe4w4?si=IC7rWU2ZRESnQKvY

plaetton:
Salutations sir.

Even when put in my own words, there is no claim I made here for which modern empirical studies do not support.

Catscans, MRIs ,etc, show us that all emotions and mental experiences carry or are simply unique electrical signals or impulses.

But Correlation is not equal to Causation. Some people see correlation between events that happen to a person and the position of planets in the heavens. But that does not mean that the movement of planets in heaven cause the events that happen to us.

On a slightly different note, have you checked out any of the work of Rupert Sheldrake?

DeepSight:
PastorAIO its been ages. How bodi.
Those days were the days ooooh.

So many quality posters I miss, you being at the head of the pack.

Yeah, that was quite an era. Internet forums were a new thing then. But I nor go lie, it was sometimes a total waste of time a potentials. It was an addiction. If to say I exert the energy wey I spend for here to chase money instead I would be in a better place financially. But still it was fun...

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand what you're saying.

Dtruthspeaker:
The physical is part of nature. And Aristotle's metaphysics still studied physicals of varying qualities in the end whereas the word "beyond nature" is wide and ambious and can refer to things not physical and eg spirit, soul etc.

DeepSight:
Your written English is terrible and you need to work on it.

I recollect way back in the dayz you mentioned starting to study Ancient Greek. Did you keep it up? if you did then there is something I would like to share with you. He is called Ammon Hillman. Look him up.

plaetton:
I don't need to read the post to be able to refute the argument that mind is this or that.
It's like saying that information is independent of the source.
Brain ( matter) generates consciousness ( mind). Consciousness is not independent of the brain that generates it. A foetus becomes conscious only when the electrical activity in the brain reaches a certain voltage threshold.
Consciousness, a.k.a mind, is the product of electrical activity in the physical brain.
Brain injuries in different parts of the brain helps us to understand how mind, reality and perspective are controlled by the physical brain.
Even the ' spiritual experience ' is housed and controlled and affected by a certain portion of the brain.

Pls read up on Temporal Lobe Epilepsy and the Religious experience.

These are big claims kę!

DeepSight:
It is not by mistake that "physics" as a word is a derivative of "physical." Thus the science of physics can only address the physical world.
There is reality beyond, before and after the physical.

The physical is not even as real as the non-physical.
Evidence of this rests in the transient nature of the physical.

The intangible and spiritual are much more real and abiding.
It is what you are, and you cannot change it.

You are not a physical being. You dwell only for a time in a physical encasement.

DeepSight, how you dey? Long time. Na we be the veterans for here o. anyway....

The adjective 'physical' is derived from the noun 'physics' which comes to us from the greek word 'Phusis', which just means Nature. Or at least that is one of its meanings. Other meanings pertain to nature too.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/physic

Therefore when Aristotle writes on what he calls Meta-Physics, he is writing about the world beyond nature. (Φυσικὴ, phusike).

OkCornel:
All the defenders of Pastor Adeboye, what say ye? 🤷🏿‍♂️

I came back to Nairaland just because of this matter. I'm sure that I will be mightily entertained by all the wriggling and contorting that will ensue.

Michael547:
Lol.....what have I forgotten?

What won't you forget?

Michael547:
Nothing...that's why I'm asking questions

What's the point of asking anything when you likely have Anterograde Amnesia?

kkins25:
Nothing beyond "Shambala balala" 🤣

edit: I beg your pardon. I thought it was Michael responding. I thought he was making some sort of reference to buddhism.

Michael547:
Lol...I don't know

So, What do you know exactly?

Michael547:
I don't know....tell me

If I knew the answer to your question, what do you think are the pros and cons of me telling you?

Michael547:
Do you know the answer to my question or not?

lol ... What do you think?

Michael547:
Because I asked you first na....or don't you have the answer to my question?

Why do you insist on being answered first just because you asked your question first? Is that how things work in your village?

Michael547:
Lol....I don't know....I just feel you should answer me first except you don't have the answer to my question.

That's a very interesting feeling. Why do you think that I should answer you first? Let's explore that feeling.

Michael547:
I asked you first

Do you believe that asking first merits being answered first? If so, why?

Michael547:
Lol...the ones you are quoting na

Do you believe the bible?