elated177:



You are not making any sense, Ayo.

I'll try one more time, if you don't understand then no wahala, leave it.

Bible conflates yhwh and satan. Talks of them as if they are the same being.

You talk of conscious and unconscious worship of Satan.

I want to raise the consideration that you may be unconsciously worshipping satan yourself. In which case you run a risk of becoming a homosexual.

I hope that clarifies

Steep:
can you show me where in the bible God required human sacrifice to please Yahweh?

what do you mean by Micah many things changed

EZEKIEL 20:
25Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and rules by which they could not have life, 26and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.


Yhwh confesses to giving commands that were no good, commands to sacrifice their firstborns.

elated177:


What do the passages have to do with the message?

The passages conflate your god with satan. You warn that we should be careful of satanic religion. I'm sounding a warning that you should tread carefully lest you find yourself worshipping satan and becoming, according to you, an homosexual.

elated177:
El Elohe Yahshrael!

Romans 1: 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

There are many symptoms of false religion. The chief symptom is homosexuality.

False religion comes in different forms. [b]False religion is conscious and unconscious worship of Satan and the demons. [/b]Homosexuality is the major consequence of satanism/demonism.

Homosexuality is not ordinary. Those who engage in it do not just do it.

From the Scripture above, it could be inferred that the first homosexual act came only after humans started worshipping demons.

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH!

Perhaps you can help with the resolution of these 2 bible passages. Lest you are unawares worshipping Satan.


1 Chronicles 21
1Then Satan stood against Israel and incited David to number Israel. 2So David said to Joab and the commanders of the army, “Go, number Israel, from Beersheba to Dan, and bring me a report, that I may know their number.”

2 Samuel 24
1Again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” 2So the king said to Joab, the commander of the army,a who was with him, “Go through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan to Beersheba, and number the people, that I may know the number of the people.”

LordReed:


Hmmm, interesting. Seems to tie in with the hypothesis that the Jewish religion has Canaanite origins.

Indeed. It is blatantly Canaanite in every aspect. The same world view, the same beliefs in sacrifices etc.....

For example the sacrifice of the King of Moab.
Moab was at war with Israel and Israel was prevailing. In a desperate bid to escape the King of Moab sacrificed this first born son and subsequently a great wrath fell on the Israelites and Moab managed to free itself.

What is of note here, though it was not an Hebrew sacrifice but a moabite sacrifice, is that the writers believe thoroughly in the efficacy of the sacrifice. The reason the Moabites escaped in the writers opinion is because they sacrificed the first born son of their King. There was certainly a belief in the efficacy of such a sacrifice.

2Kings 3
26When the king of Moab saw that the battle was going against him, he took with him 700 swordsmen to break through, opposite the king of Edom, but they could not. 27Then he took his oldest son who was to reign in his place and offered him for a burnt offering on the wall. And there came great wrath against Israel. And they withdrew from him and returned to their own land.

Steep:
which law change?

Laws change such as those about the sacrificial rituals.


Micah6[b]
7Will the LORD be pleased witha thousands of rams,
with ten thousands of rivers of oil?
Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression,
the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?”[/b]
8He has told you, O man, what is good;
and what does the LORD require of you
but to do justice, and to love kindness,b
and to walk humbly with your God?


There is a shift away from being told explicitly to sacrifice victims to please yhwh. In fact we are told that the scent of burning flesh is a please aroma to him.

Leviticus 1:17
He shall tear it open by its wings, but shall not sever it completely. And the priest shall burn it on the altar, on the wood that is on the fire. It is a burnt offering, a food offering with a pleasing aroma to the Lord.



but by Micah things changed

Why the easy conflation of Yhwh and Satan in the bible?



1 Chronicles 21
1Then Satan stood against Israel and incited David to number Israel. 2So David said to Joab and the commanders of the army, “Go, number Israel, from Beersheba to Dan, and bring me a report, that I may know their number.”

2 Samuel 24
1Again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” 2So the king said to Joab, the commander of the army,a who was with him, “Go through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan to Beersheba, and number the people, that I may know the number of the people.”

Kobojunkie:

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1. God made it known by His Law that human sacrifices were absolutely out of the question as far as that which He desires from His people, Israel.

2. Jephthah asked God for help, promising to offer God a burnt sacrifice of that which first thing that comes out of his house when he returns from victory.

3. Jephthah, ignoring God's decree, concluded that since his daughter was the first to come out of the house when he returned from victory, he would offer her a burnt sacrifice to God.

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Ezekiel 20:25 flies in the face of your apparent correction of the misconception.

Your statement that Yhwh makes it known that human sacrifices are absolutely out of the question is contradicted by many passages in the bible. Ezekiel 20:25 is just one of them.

In fact it seems to be the other way round, that hebrews were distraught because of having to sacrifice their first born children but later on yhwh relented and changed the requirement.

Micah6
7Will the LORD be pleased witha thousands of rams,
with ten thousands of rivers of oil?
Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression,
the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?”
8He has told you, O man, what is good;
and what does the LORD require of you
but to do justice, and to love kindness,b
and to walk humbly with your God?

Micah here addresses the issue of first fruits and assures the people that good ethics can substitute for not making the sacrifices.

Kobojunkie:
I don't care to though. I mean you are free to hold whatever opinion you wish of the belief... I am totally OK with that..

Ok, I thought, being a discussion forum and your previous posts, you'd want to defend your position.

Kobojunkie:
You stated it earlier and I understand it.

Can you refute it? Please do.

DeepSight:


Long time Pastor. Great to read from you again. How you dey?

I dey like daily times.

Kobojunkie:
You stated your opinion of the Christian faith and I acknowledged understanding of it. Why must I ask questions when not that long ago, I too used to believe as you do, so I quite clearly understand your mindset and reasoning about these things

You used to believe as I do? So what do you consider to be my mindset and reasoning about Ezekiel 20:25

EZEKIEL 20:
25Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and rules by which they could not have life, 26and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.

Kobojunkie:
OK

You ought not to just say 'OK' like that without asking questions. that is how you won't learn.

LordReed:


So what was the consequence for offering human sacrifice?

Well according to the bible the reason for YHWH asking for human sacrifice was an act of bitterness and wickedness towards the Hebrews. He demanded it precisely because he knew that it would bring them to ruin.

EZEKIEL 20:
25Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and rules by which they could not have life, 26and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.

So we see that it was all done so that the Hebrew would know that he is Yhwh.

When we heard that the first fruits of the Hebrews whether cattle or crops are to be offered up as a burnt offering to yhwh, BUT the first born human children are to be REDEEMED, a practice called "Pidyon Haben".

The question we ought to ask is 'redeemed from what'? If the parents cannot afford the silver to 'redeem' their first borns then what would happen to them? In other words what are they getting redeemed from.


Without a doubt there has been a lot of redaction of the bible but something so ingrained in the worship of yhwh cannot be scrubbed out completely and the OT is replete with vestiges of the practice. All this despite the desperate efforts to expunge it from the records.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidyon_haben

We can talk around and around this issue but there can be no denying the blatant and obvious biblical truth which is that YHWH was/is genocidal and filicidal. He accepts and is appeased by human sacrifice. This so obviously and blatantly the case in Judaism but more so in Christianity, the entire edifice of which is based on the human sacrifice of Jesus for the cleansing of sins.

Apparently there is no other way for YHWH to forgive you. Even the sheep and goats that were substituted for humans would not do the trick so in the end Jesus had to die.

Yhwh directly asks for and admits to asking for Humans to be sacrificed and the Bible demonstrates this by being full of human sacrifices.

Kobojunkie:

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1. God made it known by His Law that human sacrifices were absolutely out of the question as far as that which He desires from His people, Israel.

2. Jephthah asked God for help, promising to offer God a burnt sacrifice of that which first thing that comes out of his house when he returns from victory.

3. Jephthah, ignoring God's decree, concluded that since his daughter was the first to come out of the house when he returned from victory, he would offer her a burnt sacrifice to God.

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God gave men Laws to chose for themselves their fate and end. God never stipulated in His agreement that He would deny men their rightful benefits in order to force men to comply with His given Law. Instead punishments are meant for when one breaks the Law and rewards for when one obeys the Law.

A wise God is one who sticks to the terms and conditions of His agreement, not one who stands in the way of even the freedoms He has given His subjects.

I troway salute

sonmvayina:


Might be true. YHWH is not the God of the jews. Yahweh is one of the 70 sons of Enlil that is married to asherah

sonmvayina:
Jesus is serapis. Read my thread on that..

Jesus never ever existed. Even the birth narrative will tell you that it was all made up.

Christianity started as the worship of serapis in Egypt.

The Messiah God promised the jews is coming to rule and usher in an era of peace, end all wars and oppression..NEVER TO DIE FOR SINS. God hates human sacrifice..

Not True. YHWH loves human sacrifice

A cult established on the belief that there is a Logon embedded within each individual and that seeks to nourish, nurture and cultivate that Logon is a True Religious Cult.

A Cult that detracts, and distracts away from this is a Satanic cult.

The original Hebrew term śāṭān (Hebrew: שָּׂטָן‎) is a generic noun meaning "accuser" or "adversary",[7][8] which is used throughout the Hebrew Bible to refer to ordinary human adversaries,[9][8] as well as a specific supernatural entity.[9][8] The word is derived from a verb meaning primarily "to obstruct, oppose".[10] When it is used without the definite article (simply satan), the word can refer to any accuser,[9]but when it is used with the definite article (ha-satan), it usually refers specifically to the heavenly accuser: the satan.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

When the highest Value a human can pursue is the cultivation of the Logon, then anything that opposes or obstructs this is Satanic.

Satanism (Elenini-ism) operates with great subtlety. It is rarely an obvious obstruction, as indeed Paul of the New Testament says: 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
2 corinthians 11.

Those who lie have affirmed that the best lies are mixed with Truth. It could be a big lie, but they knead it into a dough of Truth and then present it thus.

so we find that in the christian bible there are allusions to the Logon in the parables of Jesus and there are also many other spiritual truths. Yet these truths have the most insidious poisons kneaded into them. Members of christians cults are taught to look outside of themselves for the Truth rather than within. Yet all the while giving lip service to teachings like, 'The Kingdom of Heaven is Within'. Rather than being a Religious Cult they are actually Cults of Personality. There is always someone other than oneself that they are directed to focus their attentions on.

This subtle redirecting, misdirecting, and detracting from the cultivation of the Logon within exposes these Christian cults for what they are. Satanic! Shaitans masquerading as angels of Light.

The friendships and associations that you cultivate will go a long way to shaping the kind of person you become.

It is better to be the lowest of the lowest in a milieu of admirable people than to be a local champion amongst deplorable people.

What cults are you in? There are all sorts of cults, from religious cults, to personality cults, to 'Cult of Domesticity', etc etc etc....

Cults are gatherings of people who come together to cultivate some attributes in its members and to serve some ideals (or person representing an Ideal).

It is often touted by christians that Christianity is not a religion. I agree. But If it is not a religious cult then what sort of a cult is it?

Religion refers to the practices that seek to heal the rift between persons and divinity as well as persons and their environment. To the extent that Christianity fails to do this Christianity is not a Religious Cult. So what sort of cult is it?

"Show me your Friends and I will tell you what you are." This is a well known saying.
Indeed our associations have a strong impact on the kind of persons we become.

When you enter a christian congregation and you see masters of criminality, liars, and thieves, destroyers of nations seated at the high table, you can predict what the cult is devoted to. Its values are made manifest.

At the heart of every culture is a set of Values. There are certain things Valued higher than certain other things. Each culture has Ideals that it pursues and this is the basis of it's moral code.

Some cultures value politeness and softly spoken interactions. The most lauded members of these cultures will be those that exhibit these traits. They might even have a special name for such behaviours or people such as 'omoluabi' or 'Iwa pęlę'.

Some cultures extol business acumen. The most lauded members of such a group could be referred to admiringly as 'sharp guys'. Those who lack the traits of business acumen could be derided as 'mumu guys'.

Other cultures place dancing ability at the top of their value scales. Members who can dance well are celebrated and rewarded for it. Yet those who can't dance are mocked and derided. It is much harder for an African man who can't dance to be respected than a white man from Europe where dancing ability is not such a highly valued activity, That is not to say that every African can dance, but rather every African is put under pressure to learn how to dance, if not well then, at least enough so that he doesn't embarrass him or herself.

When an individual finds him or herself in a cultural milieu there is great pressure on the individual to aspire to the highest values of that Culture. Your ability to get on in society, to receive the respect and admiration of your fellows, will depend on your ability to achieve the higher values of that cultural milieu. Thus cults/culture shape the development of personalities.

A001:
n the shoulders of giants to develop their own theories and theorems.

Achieving such laudable feats takes time and dedication.

A001, dear sir, I see that you have attempted to send me an email. For some weird reason I'm unable to receive emails sent to me from Nairaland. I'm not being rude or ignoring you.

Regards

Realvoice:
I was just reading a post and interesting discussions about the predictions of Pastor Adeboye. I personally have always thought his predictions (and generally all pastors perdictions) are vague and too broad.

For example, everybody knows natural disasters happen every year so what's the point of making predicting that there will be natural disasters. Pastor Adeboye (or any man of God out there), kindly predict the date and location of the next earthquake, flood, mudslide, mass killing, etc else we can all claim to be prophets. Matter of predict the assasination of a sitting president, then you'll have my attention.

Until then, I hereby embark on a prophecy/prediction spree;

1. Yaradua will pass on before the end of this year.
2. Goodluck Jonathan will be empowered as president but only for a short while (get it, less than 4 years - duh)
3. Lagos State Governorship elections next will be keenly contested
4. The Conversative party will win the UK general election but marginally and the Lib Dems will come 3rd
5. In the US Congress Elections this year, the Repbulicans will gain some seats in the lower and upper house
6. And just coming to me from the almighty, a well known man of God will pass away this year.

Check back this topic on 31/12/10 to see that my predictions (and yours) that have come to past.

11 years later and this is the most accurate prophet we have in Nigeria.

RonnyD:


This is nonsense. You can grow shrooms on paper/cardboard/sawdust etc. there’s so many things to use.

Okay

Ruq:


Are you saying they just grow like fungi? Isn't it possible to deliberately plant it?

More than that. They actually are Fungi.

They can be cultivated artificially too

Kobojunkie:
Old Mile 12 market?

Possibly

chyldvoodoo:
Please where can we get magic mushrooms in Lagos, please can anyone help me out.

I very much doubt that you can get them in Lagos. Why? Magic mushrooms grow on cattle poo. You have to go where cows and sheep poo and where it is moist and that is where you’ll find them. Alas though, there are no cattle in Lagos, unless they have been brought from up north.

But you know they use something, ba?

HellVictorinho:

I don't know what they use.
Go and ask them!!!!

HellVictorinho:

LOL
Who are you to tell me what a definition is
There are several occultic groups in Nigeria.
If you want to know what they use or/and how they use it,then you have to join them.

so how did you know about these tools? Did you join them?

Occult is an English word with a set meaning. If you want to use the word in a different sense that’s okay but you have to define the new sense in which you use the word.

If you’ve identified many occultist groups around Nigeria then they obviously aren’t that hidden. You even know their tools.

HellVictorinho:

I have defined occultism already.

That wasn’t a definition. It seems more like something you’re creating for a fantasy sci-fi fiction book. Can you site any real life examples of this occult that you’re referring to. For example can you tell us some of these tools.

HellVictorinho:

Occultism is

Hidden ! Simples!!!

Anything that is done in secret is occult.

Matt 6:6
But when you pray, go to your room and shut the door and pray to your father who ID IN SECRET. And your father who sees in secret will reward you.

Now there a very deep and strong reason why we have occult practices.
When you are having sex you don’t do it in the middle of the market. Is that because you are ashamed of sex? Or is it because Edumare in his infinite wisdom created a place and a function for Privacy.

Secrecy enhances bonding. When you have a group of friends but 2 of them share a secret that the others don’t know. This creates a feeling of a bond between those who know. They are closer than the rest of the friendship group.

Practicing certain acts in secrecy with your lover enhances the bond between you. Imagine your wife went around town telling everyone about the shape of your cock and how you knack. That would cheapen your marriage.

In fraternities secrets are used to enhance the bond between members. It could be any secret. You could be made to do something that only members of the group know you did.
Or it could be as ridiculous as ; “ but the secret is that there is NO secret, and now what these outsiders run around trying to figure out what it is”.

The secret makes a distinction between those who know it and those who don’t.

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