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ChristoBam:
Please don't start today. You know what started the whole Convo.

You talked about Madrid continuously sacking managers till they get they win things. I told you it's because they sign the best. Na there you begin dey compare Amrabat signing to Bellingham.

Liverpool, City and co built long term projects. They buy players to fit into a system and style of play. They don't sack manager after manager like you were alluding to.

Why are you not comparing Bellingham to the players who have come in and done well?

Why not compare Bruno with Ceballos?

I told you yesterday that City and Liverpool could afford to stick with Pep and Klopp because their respective teams showed signs of what was to come. Can you say the same about the current Utd?

See how Pep brought in players that suits his style...Klopp did the same and even when he lost lost the core of his team, check out how he was intentional about fixing his midfield with players fit for propose.

A realist should know by now that a DoF can't nothing...

If the season just ended, I'd supported the call for a DoF knowing he will influence our operations in the summer market but now? It makes no sense.

We need some that will come in and make the most of the players we have. That person is a coach and not a DoF.

ChristoBam:
Wait, don't you understand that in all of these, while we were shouting Woodward out, what we were screaming for was a competent DOF/Sporting director?

Why were we excited about Rangnick? Because of his coaching abilities?

What's with the Amnaesia?

Why are you people talking about everyone complaining about getting the manager targets while totally ignoring the fact we all wanted a sporting director that'd be in charge of all these things.


Would you trust Murtough to be in charge of player's recruitments?

We get a DoF now and there's little he can do until the summer (end of the season).

We get a new manager and we can salvage the season.

Choose...

metodman:
I'm not absolving ETH in all these, Patrick. However, the current structure of the club doesn't in any way help any manager. I'm not a Prophet of doom but based on the events of the past years, I don't think the next manager will succeed if the structure isn't changed prior to him being appointed. I just think we have been trying same things for years, it's time we do things differently.

At this stage of the season, the only way forward is bringing in a new manager.

You can't get in a new DoF right now because January window does not present an opportunity to overhaul the squad so, should we endure until the end of the season even when we have the chance to salvage the season? Talk to me bro...

ChristoBam:
Lmao, I'm just seeing this.

Are you even joking rn?

How are Madrid signings different from ours? You're really saying this?

Madrid select the best among the bunch and leave us dueling for the rest. We wanted Bellingham, Tchoameni and Camavinga. That's literally their midfield. We wanted those 3 and we couldn't even get close.

Asking how Amrabat and co are different from Madrid signings.

Don't start saying funny things because it's all out on Ten Hag for you.

You are just impossible...

Are those players the only ones in the world? Are they the best?

They're a lot of good players out there. Camavinga, Tchoameni and Bellingham were not signed by City, Liverpool, Inter, Bayern, Arsenal, Barca and the likes but they're still doing very well so, spare me with talk of "best among the bunch"...

As much as I despise the PDP especially when they held sway in hat state, I think we should critically examine the allegation they have brought forth.

We can still applaud Otti whilst ensuring he doesn't go off track...

nani667:
#TrashfordOUT
#TrashHagOUT
#SackTheFrauds
#KillTheBasterds

Ma Niqqa...Kill em all...

metodman:
I do not have a problem with sacking ETH.... But Arnold and Moutough must go first. Let a new DOF decide on our next manager. They can't try to absolve themselves by appointing another who they are still gonna sack. ETH might be a problem currently but he's not the main problem.

What's happening with the process of identifying talents, for example. I am 100% sure some of the players we bought were because of the media, fans etc. Most people were desperately putting out posts about Anthony, Onana, Amrabat etc. I think the only player most didn't agree on was Mount. The club wanted Poch but went for ETH cos of the media and fans. All these show me that we do not have football people running the club. It's so obvious that they do not really know what they are doing. They are simply learning on the job but without direction.

It was always gonna be difficult for ETH to perform here. He was always working in well-structured clubs and was always surrounded by people that would even say no to his requests, by going out for better players. When he arrived, he was allowed to do whatever he liked cos they wanted him to automatically bring his achievements here without considering the context. That's why we can not absolve him from the faults too. However. I know he will get a well-run club and will perform well. Currently he's like a fish outside it's natural habitat (water)... our water is complex and unnatural.


We need a change from the top!

If they had said no to his stupid request and somehow we still find our way to this point, y'all would've been slamming them for not getting the players he requested for.

When the board refused to get Mou his CB target in his last season at the club citing how he signed Lindelof and Bailly a year or two earlier, some Mou fans ripped the board apart. Now, you are saying that the board should have said no to ETH...

What exactly will they do to please some of you?

ETH takes the blame.

Ebukacute:
I lost my mom to the cold hands of death yesterday morning.... Omo I just can't get over this experience. Kai! Since yesterday night I have seen another side of life that I haven't experienced before.

My condolences bro...

Android17:
Mourinho the malignant cancer? Mourinho was one month away from dragging SAF before he was sacked. It seems you have forgotten how shameless he was.

If Mourinho was the one that had a fallout with Ronaldo and Sancho, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

Android17:
He could still get it. No matter how bad your form is, you are only out of the Carabao cup like City and now Arsenal. The league still has over 26 games to go for most clubs. Time still dey.

If we wanted someone that will get us results whilst playing horrible football then we could as well have kept Mourinho.

Android17:
He is making mistakes. No doubt. But even this current City that won a treble play almost nothing like Pep's Barca of 2008/09. The reason? The players are different.

Eric is overwhelmed because he is caught in-between winning anything anyway or taking his time to build the squad in a more organic way that could win or at least compete for a while. Would you have kept him if United played like BHA but finished at the same spot rather than third? Be honest.

The difference is that at United he is given money to spend, a lot of money.

If Brighton gives De Zerbi £400m over 3 windows, they'd demand for more. In our case, we are not really after trophies right now, a top four finish whilst improving the playing personnel and performances on the pitch is all we are after.

Android17:
You don't want to have the reputation of a football club that sacks its managers willy nilly. The stats back me in concluding that, a majority of those who are categorized as top performers in their RnRs will testify that, their achievements were corollary to gaining cognate experience on-their-job. That means learning from failure or is it failing forward they call it - will fall under that group - because there will always be downtime. That is how the bell curve goes.

My point is, don't sack Ten Hag during his bad patch. Other good managers will take note to avoid you because they know that a 2016/17 for Pep, 2022/23 for Klopp or his final season with Dortmund and so on can and will happen to any and every manager. It is part of continuous improvement. City gave Pep that chance and see how he is rewarding the club. Word is, he is going to extend his contract to stay beyond 10 years with the club. But I digress.

Suffer with Ten Hag and show him that he earned your trust because of last season. There is a good manager in there. We saw it with Ajax FC and with United just this past season. Otherwise, you will hire another manager of a lower quality unwittingly and repeat the vicious cycle.

We saw what Pep was building, it was recognizable from the very start, the same with Klopp...Can you say the same about ETH? Watch that Ajax team and Man Utd under ETH, do you see any similarities?

Why is it looking impossible for him to implement his ideas here even after supervising 3 transfer windows and spending over £400m?

As a coach, you don't command respect by being tough and all that, you earn respect by delivering results on the pitch. I think this was what Ronaldo was on about, for him, he is a proven winner everywhere he had gone so, it was funny to see a coach that has not achieved as much as he did demand respect from him rather than earn it.

Ronaldo won't do same to Pep.

I dare say that the day Pep will stop winning is the day a lot of players will begin to question his decisions openly. See how Cancelo questioned him and he axed him and showed he was right by winning the treble afterwards. Now, tell me why any player in that squad won't fall in line? When a manager that is delivering the goods each season talks, you just have to listen.

It took years for Ferguson to get to the level where he could take absolute charge of the dressing room, he got the results and every other thing followed.

ChristoBam:
Madrid sign the unarguably the best players in the world and expect instant results from that.

Definitely not the same at Man Utd.

See how you sneaked in "unarguably" just so you can trash our own signings when someone counters.

Let me check the best players they sign so we can test your logic, Mendy, Militao, Rudiger, Joselu, Bellingham, Modric, Camavinga, Tchoumeni etc.

How is it different from; Hojllund, Amad, Bruno, Onana, Martial, Amrabat, Di Maria, Sancho, Lisandro Martinez etc? I don't even want to add Mount and Antony who were requested by ETH himself...

Madrid are executing the season without a world class CF and are still dependent on Modric in midfield whilst their defence is injury ravaged but we don't hear a lot about it because they have a coach that knows what he is doing.

We have not even started. Go and check how many managers Madrid hired and fired even when they were challenging for the Spanish La Liga...They wanted the UCL and did not settle for less (La Liga) and it has paid off, you don't think so?

ChristoBam:
You need someone to blame. So what else can you do that totally focus on the manager even though every part of you is telling you this is far more than that.

Funniest thing is in two years, you'll be the one explaining to people that this can't be put solely on the manager.

We can not change the entire squad of players. ETH was given a chance to fix things but he ended up piling up the garbage.

ETH is the easy fix at the moment. A DoF won't touch at the moment so, that's off...

ChristoBam:
There's a difference between saying you're displeased with the manager and coming out to shout Ronaldo this Ronaldo that after every loss. Man left more than a year ago.

I was in support of his decision to axe Ronaldo but as a manager, when you fire one of the best workers in an organization, you had better make sure his replacement or those you choose to keep at least perform up to par or better but nothing less...

eph12:
I told you it's a waste of time

I have time on my hands. I want to UnCloth him before the world.

ChristoBam:
Type of things you'll see on Nairaland and parts of Twitter but never see on Reddit that's mostly filled with British and American fans.

Ronaldo this Ronaldo that. Man left a full year ago. We've had great moments since then. These fanboys were literally sitting around waiting for when everything falls apart to say 'i told you so'. They had to wait a full year. Told you that what? Ole called the fvcking deal a mistake.

Let's rest abeg.

This is you clutching at straws. They might have their grudges but at this juncture, they have ever y right to voice out regardless. I am a known Messi fan here but I am also speaking out so, it goes beyond fanboyism here...

ETH has not proved t9 be the man we all thought he was.

ChristoBam:
How long are we going to keep saying this for every manager? Which manager actually has good man management?

Obvious deficiencies are all you'll see when the manager's being thrown under the bus. What do you expect? Good team display with an unlucky loss? It's with this type of lackluster display you actually know what's happening.

This team has one psychological issue that no matter the players and people in charge, once they hit a bad run and things start to go a bit south, they drop their heads down and wait to see as things unfold. They're presently waiting for the manager to get sacked to see what's next. I don't even believe they necessarily hate the guy. They definitely didn't hate Ole.

So, what will you rather have us do? Bin the players or go for the easy option?

Hire and fire is what most top teams do. Bayern, Madrid and other to top teams will fire at this point...

I have held back from having a go at ETH because I was one of those who supported his appointment but game after game, the display have left me with no choice.

ChristoBam:
Lol coaching? Pleaseeee.
You can see from a mile away when the players start throwing the manager under the bus. We all saw the leaks from a tier 2 reporter yesterday.

He lost the dressing due to his poor man management and obvious favoritism.

If you watch us play and don't think they're obvious deficiencies in our play with can be attributed to poor coaching then I have to question your football knowledge.

If the performance was any encouraging, I'd be willing to give ETH a chance but nope, it is shambolic...

It is down to the coaching, no way will I accept that the Newcastle team that started tonight was miles better than ours.

Wingers that can't beat their markers for the entirety of the game.

As much as I hate Sancho, you can't help but see reasons with him when you watch Antony play.

In the first half, Casemiro played a glorious crossfield pass to pick out the bastard but baba fumbled it by trying out a stupid skill...

You watch Ajax and you watch this team, no similarities at all...ETH no try at all...

Wasted money signing players we will struggle to sell...

I have resumed duty...

If you support ETH, be ready...

LostMyZeal, nani667, Joezinho, Treblechamp and other comrades, it is time...

See how Newcastle players pass and move but ours will stay in a position until the fans scream...

Two Newcastle players will charge towards our half and we will boot the ball. Nothing suggest they train together. ETH has to go.

ChristoBam...After the game, let's have a very honest discussion here.