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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 12:38pm On Sep 20, 2021
hoopLA:
William Saliba came from there and has hardly played for Arsenal.
Useless arteta can't find any use for him in a useless team.
It's not down to his footballing abilities...If we start listing players that the French Ligue 1 has produced we won't stop anytime soon.

If was that easy, Falcao, Ibra, Benzema, Cavani, Mbappe, Neymar and co would have been scoring 40 - 50 goals every season while they were/are there...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 12:34pm On Sep 20, 2021
GloryIsaac:
grin grin grin Knows the truth but doesn’t want to say it.

PSG’s attack is on a different level, even their midfield is good. Funny how we only have an edge in defense - Shaw and Varane.
They way una dey reduce Pogba and Bruno to average midfielders when it comes to an argument dey always amaze me...

Neymar, Mbappe and Messi look formidable on paper but are they workable? It's left to be seen. PSG team is not balanced at all, for things to click, Poch might have to bin Veratti and go with Gueye, Paredes/Herrera and Wijnaldum because those guys in front will not put in the shift. I streamed their match yesterday, Messi was strolling as was Neymar and Mbappe without the ball...I think under the right set up, we have a good mix in our attack...

Anyway sha...Time will tell.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 11:41am On Sep 20, 2021
kushercain:
But Ibra cavani neymar and co are not Messi and Ronaldo and are in the GOAT debate. If Messi doesnt do 40 goals then in your own words he will be considered a failure, capisce?
You missed the point. I used the number of goals scored to highlight that those defenders are not inferior to their peers if not, the likes of Ibra, Cavani, Benzema, Mbappe and Falcai would have broken goal records playing in that league...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 11:34am On Sep 20, 2021
elrony:
Uhmmm, except na Carabao cup Henderson should not near that Goal post for now.
I think it's Caraboa Cup...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 11:18am On Sep 20, 2021
monerozi5590:
I noticed both you and afrodoc2 didn't include Verrati in your combine 11
Pogba does his job and is the better forward passer...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 11:02am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
Your list is not bad.

So you can’t name these world class defenders in Ligue 1? grin

Okay let’s make it easier.
Name 5 quality international grade central defenders in both leagues (apart from United and PSG defenders).
I could easily mention defenders from Monaco, Marseille and Lyon at least I watch them when they play PSG but you will latch onto the bolded...

The goal stats for each Ligue 1 season should point to the fact that their defenders are not that bad. Moreso, that league churns out some of the finest DM who also help in shielding the defense...

In summary, while they may be relatively unknown, they are not farmers neither are they grossly inferior to their peers in more popular leagues...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m):
afrodoc2:
Patrick you asked me to name my combined 11 but you haven’t named your own o. Please let’s see your own list.

Also I have my own question for you.

Can you name (in your view) the top 11 central defenders that Ronaldo will face in the EPL and the top 11 central defenders Messi will face in Ligue 1?
..........................Donnarumma............................

Hakimi.......Varane............Maguire.......Shaw......

..................................Gueye....................................

...................Bruno.................Pogba.......................

Messi......................Mbappe.....................Neymar

I can possibly swap Donnarumma for De Gea and Mbappe for Ronaldo...

As for the 11 defenders, I do not follow Ligue 1 religiously but from facts on ground, they are not farmers as you try to paint them.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:26am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
Patrick you asked me to name my combined 11 but you haven’t named your own o. Please let’s see your own list.

Also I have my own question for you.

Can you name (in your view) the top 11 central defenders that Ronaldo will face in the EPL and the top 11 central defenders Messi will face in Ligue 1?
The back and forth is counter productive, if Ligue 1 had farmers for defenders, Mbappe would have been scoring over 40 goals per season after all he also plays in that same PSG set up.

The reason why I asked for the combined 11 is to highlight that we too have a lot of quality players...

If we sampled the opinions of folks about a lot of Chelsea players whilst Lampard was coach, I am certain very few persons will say anything good of Rudiger and Alonso. At was point it was as if Azpi was done at the top level and Kante was past it but look at them now. If we had Tuchel rather than Ole, Sancho will most likely be tearing up the league, VDB and a host of our players will play to their true potentials leading to pundits rating us very highly but that's not the case now so it looks like we don't have a very good team when it's not really the case.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:16am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
I had to just give him props after he said Ligue 1 defenders were equal to EPL defenders. cheesy

Even though his name is Patrick he is obviously not a strong Christian. cheesy

The guy is was stressing that “name combined 11”, “name combined 11” thinking it would show that United had better players, forgetting that while our attack (our strongest department) is filled with stars and one GOUT, PSG has extra-terrestrials and a GOUT in their attack.

That is why after I named my 11 he was in shock and said he would wait for other lists. cheesy
Imagine after claiming that Ronaldo was playing with better players you combine both teams and find out that Messi has 6 starters while Ronaldo has only 3 starters. cheesy

E choke. grin
That's your pick, another person will have Maguire and Bruno Starting...It's down to your preferences. The bottom line is that we also have a lot of quality players and good options to call from the bench in our set up so, the idea of Messi playing with top players is true for Ronaldo too...

If we had a good coach, a lot of people will have us rated higher.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:11am On Sep 20, 2021
Bruno did well yesterday, a much improved all round performance even though he tired out out towards the end of the game.

Playing Pogba from the left didn't work because Pogba was not disciplined enough to stay wide, he was always drifting towards the center of the pitch because quite simply, it's the nature of his game, he wants to be on the ball most times so, he could stay wide and without the ball...I think it's time for Ole to make a decision, it's either he takes the risk to play McTom alone at the base with Pogba and Bruno ahead of him as LCM and RCM respectively...With this change, we won't need an out and out AM.

Also, I notice Sancho wants to play those 1-2 intricate passes but others are not in sync. I think VDB and Martial are players that will do well with Sancho on the pitch...

As for our next game, I hope to see Ole give those bench players a chance to show what they can offer. Henderson should start if fit.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:22am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
I don’t like Maguire like that. Too slow for my liking.

Marquinhos, Varane, Shaw, Hakimi high line will be tasty.
Out of Messi, Ronaldo, Bruno the person you want to drop is Ronaldo? cheesy


Well done.
cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:14am On Sep 20, 2021
elrony:
They still have the overall best team by miles out of the rest in Ligue one
Just like they had the best team last season...

Football no be 1 + 1...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:09am On Sep 20, 2021
Expert17:
It's 2 point per goal for Ligue-1, EPL, Serie-A, Bundesliga and Laliga.
I just had to drop that screenshot because he was adamant that he was right...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:00am On Sep 20, 2021
CapitalCee

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:51am On Sep 20, 2021
CapitalCee:
YES
Can you help me with a link so I can read it up myself because from what I have checked, a goal is Ligue 1 is no less than a goal scored in the EPL
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:50am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
This is a correct statement and better than trying to prove that farmers are not farmers. grin

We know Messi will still score but for now let’s troll the crocodile crier. grin

Patrickmuf is not a good Messi agent. His excuse was watery. cheesy
Watery? Ibra, Cavani, Mbappe, Neymar and other top strikers have graced the Ligue 1 but haven't managed to score up to 40 league goals for once something Ronaldo and Messi did in LA Liga, does it mean La Liga defenders are shit especially when you co spider that Barcelona and Madrid had far superior teams?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:44am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
What did you want to do with the combined 11?
I have given it to you now you no talk again. grin

Answer this question.
The defenders in Ligue 1 overall are the better than, equal to, or worse than the defenders in EPL? grin
Ligue 1 defenders are just as good as EPL defenders...If they were that poor, why hasn't Mbappe scored ridiculous number of goals? Last season he scored a modest 27 goals...For a league that you rate so poorly, Mbappe should be hitting 40-50 goals already...

I am surprised and Maguire and Bruno didn't make your combined 11...To be honest, I will play Bruno as AM and drop Ronaldo to the bench...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:39am On Sep 20, 2021
CapitalCee:
Ligue 1 goal is graded as 1.5 goals while EPL is graded as 2 for UEFA golden boot award
I am not sure you are right...It is graded as 2 and not 1.5...Kindly check again.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:27am On Sep 20, 2021
CapitalCee:
Is easy na. Put Assnal in Ligue 1 they will win domestic treble
This one na just talk...

Arsenal that can't even win their Emirates cup again.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:26am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
I hope you understand what that means?

Okay let me make you happy.

Combined 11:

GK: Donnarumma
RB: Hakimi
LB: Shaw
CB: Varane
CB: Marquinhos
CDM: Idrissa Gueye
CM: Pogba
CAM/SS: Messi
RWF: Mbappe
LWF: Neymar
CF: Ronaldo
I'll wait for that of other Ronaldo fans...

As for quality of players, PSG had to rely on a late goal to beat Lyon yesterday...Football is not about having star attackers alone...Club Brugge proved it...

I think it is you who noted here that PSG do not have a balanced team a while back...They might have a fearsome attack but it ends there, in midfield and defense they're not all that...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:21am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
To avoid confusion, are you saying the defenders in Ligue 1 are better than the defenders in EPL, or are they equal to the ones in EPL or are they worse?

I just want both of us to be on the same page.
I am saying that every league is difficult...

Some of the best players in the world have come from that league that is often ridiculed...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:19am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
Every week?

Okay. The average team has 3-4 central defenders. Combine Monaco and Lyon's teams to make 8 central defenders. Name 3 quality international central defenders in both teams combined.
These 2 teams that are Messi's nemesis weekly can you name their best defenders?
Messi has made just 2 appearances for PSG in Ligue 1, a sub appearance vs Reims and his first start yesterday...If this was December, I'd be concerned but not now, he will still dominate that League like he did in Spain...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:16am On Sep 20, 2021
Doc, just drop the combined 11 of PSG and Manchester United, it is easier than looking for ex players to form a team...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:14am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
If i arrange all the ex-players on this thread we will make Top 4 in Ligue 1.

The quality of players you are playing with has to be compared with the quality of players you are playing against.

Without google can you name 4 good central defenders in Ligue 1 apart from PSG defenders.
PSG were in pot 2 in the UCL because they didn't win that league last season...If PSG were that good, Lille wouldn't have won the league ahead of them...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:12am On Sep 20, 2021
TrebleChamp:
Plus Lacazette grin
Why Ronaldo no finish those Lyon defenders when he came up against them for Juve?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:08am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
You mean Messi is facing PSG defenders in Ligue 1? cheesy
He is facing Monaco and Lyon defenders...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:08am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
I see you have started retracing your steps like the Oba in village headmaster. cheesy

So it is no longer goals per game ratio?
When he had that debate weeks back, I said the same thing...I only brought up goals per game ratio to highlight a point...

Meanwhile, let me see your combined 11 of PSG and Manchester United players, I want to check if Messi is playing with stars and Ronaldo is having to do it all on his own.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:05am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
It is when i ask you to name the quality defenders and goal keepers Messi is facing in Ligue 1 that we will hear another story. Shey na defenders wey Pepe dey bully up and down? grin
Same defenders wey Ronaldo no fit bully for UCL, same defenders wey City with their super attack no fit bully...Yes, those same defenders...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:04am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
Are you saying goals per game ratio is the decider in the GOAT debate? grin

We can't use in deciding between Player A and Player B, then discard it when Players C, D, E, and F are included?
You know what is good for the Jew is good for Uganda. cheesy

Na simple sturvs question.
Goals, assist and chances created for forward players...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:52am On Sep 20, 2021
If I ask for a combined 11 of PSG and Manchester United, na that time you go start to hear different talk...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:50am On Sep 20, 2021
CapitalCee:
Messi is low key struggling in farmers league with world class players while Ronaldo is smashing it in EPL. I like Messi but if this trend continues i know who the GOAT will be
So, Ronaldo is playing with bums abi? Bruno, Pogba, Shaw, De Gea, Varane, Maguire, Sancho etc...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 7:47am On Sep 20, 2021
afrodoc2:
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Are you sure you want to go the goal to game ratio route? grin

Are you saying goal to game ratio is the decider over who is the GOAT? cheesy
I just want to be sure i understand you well.
We are talking about the both players here, Messi best him in goals scored per game, assist, chances created, dribbles etc...

Messi is 2 years younger...

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