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[quote author=nitrogen post=98753350][/quote]The argument is that the Glazers haven't invested in the squad and not a out what they have taken or not...Let him stick to the argument...

I will have no qualms if he based his argument on the structure of the club especially the football side of things with our apparent lack of a DoF and how it has hampered our recruitment process especially as it regards the coaching staff...

Illimitable:
Guardiola and City signed Nathan Ake, he must be world class.

But when you were on about the number of players City have signed you didn't remember that not all are world class abi?

The more you write, the more you shoot yourself except that you have refused to die...If only it wasn't literal, we'd be safe from reading a whole lot of contradictions...#Contrad Moore

No wonder them no dey allow new comers talk for some kind association...

Small airtime wey we give baba against Alabi wey don pay him dues for here baba wan form Nkem Owoh for us...

I die here, this your argument no go see the light of day unless my phone off and if e off, I go enter office by 7am go charge phone to continue...

Jodera:
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Na just agenda.

Time go come wen same hand will say Shaw had prospect

He mentioned Shaw among the improved defense Ole has had to work with...

Illimitable:
It’s like you have wax in your ears.

With a defence unit of Valencia, Smalling, Jones, Young, Jose won 3 trophies - under the same owners.

With a much improved defence unit of Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Lindelof and Shaw, Ole can’t even win a semifinal tie and you are opining Ole isn’t at fault?

Get a drug test done immediately, someone close to you is doping your water or food.

You're one proud fellow who thinks he knows a lot yet so empty...

So the improved defense you are yapping that Ole has at his disposal was assembled by who? Orji Uzor Kalu?

You want Ole to win with the defense yet the Glazers haven't signed title winning players...

Who do you this kind thing?

Illimitable:
This whole list is embarrassing.

So Mane is a striker now?

Shaw has no prospect. He was 18 when United signed him from Southampton. He had injury and he’s been riding on the sympathy wave ever since.

Pogba is world class - United provided no support for him. They want him to play AM, CM, DM all on his own without water carriers for him.

Sanchez was 30 when United signed him. We might as well say Rio Ferdinand of today has a higher prospect than Van Dijk.



Alisson is better than De Gea.

You have also conveniently forgotten that for many seasons, ex-wingers aged 33 were United’s fullbacks cos guess what, Woodward wouldn’t sign proper fullbacks to play there.

Nani left in 2014 and United haven’t signed an out and out right winger ever since. We are in 2021.

Of course, the Glazers have been fantastic.



It never worked because of bargain basement players in key positions.

Luke Shaw has 10 PL assists in 7 seasons(under 4 different managers) and it’s because of poor or wrong managers?

Are you auditioning for the role of a clown?

In one argument you blame the Glazers (management) for refusing to hire a director of football and in another you blame them for refusing to sign a winger...

Abeg, who signs the players? And upon whose request?

Are you saying Ed decided to sign a RB, LB, CB, CF, AMF, CM but deliberately refused to sign a winger? How about meeting the managers demands?

In your argument against Ole, you refused to entertain other factors that might have affected his performance and tonight, just before ai brought Ole up, you argued as if it was all down to the Glazers and now, in a bid to find soft landing you want me to accept the both parties are at fault?

Go and apologize to Alabi and afterwards, Nitroge.n...

Illimitable:
This is embarrassing.

So two things can’t be wrong at the same time. It has to be one or the other?

Father Lord, who are these people?

You have taken two extreme positions such that there's no meeting point...

nitrogen:
That’s my issue with him. There is no reason to sack Ole now, if the team is shi1t.

In one night, he has managed to trash the pts he raised when he debated Alabi...

I knew I'd box him when he kept dropping epistle forgetting that some of us are veterans here...

Baba said Ole could do with a top 4 finish in a bid to support his argument against the Glazers...

It therefore means Ole isn't a failure because he has achieved just that thus far...

Whether the Glazers have removed 10bn or more out of United, it doesn't count as long as they have invested just as much as every other team in that time frame...

And why is it about City? Why not Chelsea?

Why not Liverpool?

I think Leicester City spent 2bn to win the league...

It wouldn't be long before guys start taking you for a joke...

KingAlabi:
Patrick

He should be consistent, you can't blame Ole and at the same time blame the Glazers...If the Glazers have not signed players good enough to win the league, why blame Ole when he fails to win the leahue?

Illimitable:
A world class manager can punch above his weight and win the league - of course, there’s a possibility of that. It doesn’t necessarily mean the Glazers have bought players capable of overpowering their rivals.

Lol I wonder what you'd say of we signed Robertson from Relegated Hull, Wijnaldum from relegated Newcastle, Shaqiri from relegated Stoke, VVD and Mane from Southampton...

olabode89:
Chief!

You get energy o....

I just tire for the argument...The dude was praised a little while ago and next he thinks he can just drop anything here and we'll take it for the holy grail...

Illimitable:
He’s a shit manager because his predecessors achieved more with a shittier squad than Ole’s.

Under 2 years, Van Gaal won FA cup
Under 9 months, Jose won EFL cup & Europa

After 2 years, Ole can’t get past a semifinal with a much better squad.

And you have the nerve to ask how he’s a shit manager?

In other words, with a world class manager, we can win the league...

The question is; if we win the leahue with a world class manager and the same set of players, doesn't it mean the Glazers signed players to win the league?

Illimitable:
You checkmate yourself.

Jose has proven this squad can at least win a trophy or two even if they aren’t the biggest trophies.

Van Gaal won a trophy with a shittier squad under the same owners.

If Ole isn’t winning anything under the same owners with a better squad, it simply means Ole is a failure.

Logic 101.

Considering how bad the Glazers have been, what is your expectation of Ole?

Illimitable:
Nearly all of them - they were signed to address the weakness in the team.

When Karius pòoped his pants in the Champions League final, Klopp quickly signed Alisson.

United have not had a traditional winger since Nani left about 6 years ago.

United can’t even sign a football director in the last 8 years and you wonder why the team is underperforming.

The owners are shit, the structure is shit and they compounded the aroma of shit by signing one of the worst managers in history. A manager no other team in the top 6 would sign.

You said your expectation of Ole is a top 4 finish and zero trophies and thus far, he hasn't failed to deliver, so how is he a shit manager?

Illimitable:
Zero trophies
Top 4 position or thereabouts
Different excuses every season.

Ole will get sacked
Another manager would come in
Repeat the cycle

I will be here to checkmate you whenever you have a dig at Ole...

Jodera:
How many of them when signed was "signed to win the league"?

Robertson?
Wijnaldum?
Mane?
Chamberlain?
Shaqiri?
Fabinho?
Milner?
Salah?
Allison?

Which would you call " winning the league players" before their arrival to Liverpool

His argument on signing players to win the leahue falls flat on its head...

Illimitable:
I already addressed this but you are too far gone to pay attention.

The owners are bad & Ole is terrible.

So, what should we realistically expect of Ole considering the role the owners have played as you claim?

Illimitable:
Liverpool actually spent money in the key areas where they needed replacements

Alisson, Van Dijk, Mane, Salah, etc and majority of Klopp’s purchases are still with him.

Unlike United who sell high valued players to quickly buy another one.

If you acknowledge the Glazers are the problem, why then do you want Ole sacked?

If you argue that Ole should be sacked, doesn't it imply we have a squad good enough to win the league?

KingAlabi:
Interesting view from the fence
I am not engaging today

Hehehe If he replies again, I will end the argument with just one question...Watch out...

Illimitable:
Spending on players = spending for the sake of it - buying bargain basement players that aren’t up to standard.

Spending to win the league = buying world class players that would easily fit into the other elite clubs in Europe.

If that is too complex for you, let’s try this.

How many current United players can start for United in the 07/08 team that won the champions league?



Lukaku - 2017 summer
Pogba - 2016 summer
Maguire - 2019 summer

Meanwhile, Lukaku’s money bought Maguire.

The richest club in Britain?

Liverpool have won the UCL and EPL in just about the same time, pray tell, how much more have they spent?

We keep talking about rebuilding like we are rebuilding the world trade center...

Illimitable:
Spending on players = spending for the sake of it - buying bargain basement players that aren’t up to standard.

Spending to win the league = buying world class players that would easily fit into the other elite clubs in Europe.

If that is too complex for you, let’s try this.

How many current United players can start for United in the 07/08 team that won the champions league?

Mkhitaryan wasn't elite?

Pogba?

Bruno?

Ibra?

VDB?

Or is your definition of elite only players that shine with us?

OMG! At one point we signed the best players in the French Ligue 1, German Bundesliga and Serie A but no, we only sign average players...I just can't deal with this level of revisionism...

Illimitable:
Between 2016 and 2018;

Pep signed 22 players, Jose signed 10
They both arrived at the same time in 2016 summer

City won the league title in 2014, United won it in 2013.
City reached CL semifinal in 2016, United in 2011.

It’s easy to know the club that has ambitions and the one that is snoring.

How much did we spend on Lukaku, Pogba, Maguire etc? With same amount, City will buy 6-7 players but no, they buy more players so we should blame the Glazers.

What exactly is spending on players and spending to win the league?

So, spending on Mkhitaryan, Ibra, Pogba is spending on players...

Spending on Maguire, AWB, Bruno, VDB, Telles etc is spending on players...

Pray tell, what does it mean to spend for the sake of winning? So if the aforementioned players win the league this season, we'll say we spend on players and later to win the league? Doesn't it sound funny?

nitrogen:
Lol, but you included them in your '38 players', right? Anyway, nobody is saying that big spending should stop, what we are saying is you should stop saying that the Gazers are not spending to win.

Let's check something. You started by saying that they don't want to win the EPL because the monetary benefits are not significantly different (vs a top 4 finish), that's a very interesting way of thinking sha, but I will leave it at that. Then someone told you that these same guys already spent over 1 billion since Fergie left, and then you came back to say that, yes they've actually spent, but they must outspend City to win the EPL. Question is, did Chelsea, Liverpool and LCFC outspend City before winning the EPL?

You need to gather your thoughts and present them clearly.

Leave that dude, him think say all of us be yes men here...

At some point, I felt the Glazers should have done more but on the whole, they have tried and are right up there with some of the biggest spenders...

If he argued about the choice of coaches and how it has affected our recruitment, I'd have little concerns except that it's not even the Glazers that make the footballing decisions at the club...

Illimitable:
When Guardiola spent foolishly on Nolito, Claudio Bravo, Danilo, etc, he got rid of them as soon as they realized they didn’t fit in.

Chelsea didn’t stop spending big on players because Shevchenko or Bakayoko didn’t work.

Real Madrid never stopped spending because Kaka or James Rodriguez didn’t work.

Manchester United is the only club in the world where the fans want big spending to stop because certain players didn’t work.

Bailly, Lindelof, Maguire...

Shaw, Telles...

Matic, Fred...

Pogba, Bruno, VDB...

Depay, Martial, Lukaku...

Dalot, Wan-BIssaka...

And the list goes on...You at the names you are dropping for City...lol

Nolito, Bravo...I can as well talk about James, Romero etc.

Illimitable:
I hope you know there’s a difference between spending on players & spending on players to win the league.

It’s a myth that the Glazers have spent money. What percentage of United’s revenue go into buying players? You would find out it’s the smallest in the top 6 by a considerable distance.

United’s peers in Europe are Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich but I doubt any of United’s players get an automatic start in any of those clubs. That should be your first indicator that United don’t spend as much as their status dictates.

When Pep & Jose arrived in the summer of 2016, the only world class player in United was David De Gea. City had De Bruyne, Aguero, Fernandinho, Kompany and Sterling.

Pep has gone on to add another 36 players to that list with a total outlay of £832m. Manchester United under Jose and Ole combined added only 19 players that cost less than £700m.

Yes, the Glazers have spent money but if they cannot outspend Man City who actually have a better structure and manager, there’s no chance we will ever see a Premier League victory under the Glazers.

The other option is to do it the Liverpool way - give an elite manager about 5 years to build a squad. The only problem with this option is Manchester United’s status. They are too big to give any manager more than 3 years to build a squad without a trophy. The fans will not sit through it.

Liverpool were able to do this because they had waited 30 years without a league title - the fans expectation was very low. And even if United fans become patient, United’s manager is not elite at all to see out the project.

In conclusion, United are in big trouble unless they outrightly outspend their rivals or sack Ole.

How is this the fault of the Glazers?

Who asked us to spend foolishly?

The Glazers have spent whether we admit or not, the problem is those who are in charge of our transfers.

The difference between our spending and that of City is insignificant in the grand scheme of things...We have overpaid for players and that's not down to the Glazers...

Ayade's overzealous aides will soon start accrediting this development to their boss...

Barcelona will win but you'll never find Godx here celebrating with fellow fans but when there's trouble, he'll be here to drag Messi...Know the enemies from within...

Burnley are without Barnes and Chris Woods...They don't stand a chance...

Meanwhile, see City defense...

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