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Leyqute:
1. How many teams are on a winning run currently?
2. How many teams string together several winning runs in a season?
3. Didn't I mention earlier that the key was getting on another winning run soon after the current one hits a snag?
4. How is going on a winning run worse than drawing consecutively and then not going on a run?
5. Isn't going on winning runs the right way to build a championship winning team?

You guys talk as if you want the best for the club and someone wants the worst. You think winning runs are not good enough but then you've never had winning runs before. Was it not the winning run that made Utd finish 3rd last season? Was it not the winning run that made you, patrickmuf, nitrogen and others dream about winning the league? Have yo uever dreamt about winning the league post SAF?

You people who are crying 'sack the coach now' want to win the league this season, irrespective of the journey post-SAF. If Ole wins the Europa league this season, will you be satisfied? I know I won't be. The league and UCL are the hallmark of a top top team.

I, for one, don't mind sacking the coach. But then you have to replace him with someone who will do better than he has, AND then support him in the transfer market.

You guys are always thinking short-term, try to think long term.

I have said multiple times on this board that Ole might not be the one to make Man Utd serial challengers but he seems to be the one to take us part-way there.

Na wah o.

I have seen enough of Ole to know he isn't the way forward...

eph12:
That goal was probably the 10th we've conceded from set piece this season. It's a serious concern if not for our coaching crew, for me. DDG refusal to come out has also contributed to this problem in a great deal.

We have conceded 12 goals from 3 matches we have no business conceding that much from. On a good day, we shouldn't be conceding more than 3. Imagine how a -9 on our GA will make our stats look much better. And this is just 3 matches out of 23.

Spot on...

Smellymouth:
Ole should be credited for moving the team forward but it's criminal that he's spent 200 milli on a defense this poor. Continously backing DDG regardless of how many mistakes he makes & paying a world record fee for Harry fridge are all his decisions..

At the end of the season we will judge if Ole has moved the team forward or not...

Ole replaced Mou and by forward in this case, he is expected to out do Mou in league position and maybe trophies if I want to be fair to Mou fans...

Karleb:
It's okay to blame OGS for our defense. Infact, if you curse him for that there's no problem at least from my side.

But saying you won't praise him for setting up one of the sharpest attack in the league then I'd say you no dey try at all!

Midterm test and exam analogy doesn't do justice to the situation we are.

If can't praise Ole for this attack then you shouldn't blame him for the defense and vice versa.

Besides, I'm guessing guys like Maguire and DDG has a contract clause that state they must play if they are fit.

The functionality of each unit = the means to an end...Truth be told, he will be judged by how we end up and not how well on of the units that make up the team fares...

I stumbled on my reaction to the appointment of Ole, you won't believe what I typed here...I would love for him to succeed but then, it won't stop me from demanding we do better...

A40:
You're quite a sad and obsessed little man. Pitiful

You suppose know say your man Airmark dey try whine you...

By now, una suppose dey laugh over all this banter because for me na just fun...

Karleb:
Should we blame OGS for our defense and praise our attackers for our attack?

As long as the defense keep fumbling, I'm sorry I won't praise him because it's of no use to score 100 foals and concede 80 goals...

I acknowledge we have improved our attacking play but for Ole to get the praise he deserves, the defense has to shutout the opposition that way, our goals will count for something...

Do you get praised for blasting the mid term test and failing your terminal exams? That's the situation with Ole...If he gets us defending solidly then I'll be here to praise him...

nitrogen:


Good question!

If we must blane the defense, it simply means Ole has wasted 130m worth of investment because he supervised the purchase of Maguire and AWB...

I think we have a problem as a collective unit even though our defenders have made comical errors...

My man eph12 will always fault the collective while I think our defenders haven't covered themselves in glory especially our CBs...For instance, that last goal by Everton is comical as I don't get if we were playing a high line or defending deep and that's something we are supposed to have ironed out in training in any case of a last minute set piece...

The coaching crew should do well to improve our collective team play (especially pressing) and our defensive coordination...

Should we give Ole credit for our attack and blame the defenders for our poor defense?

Leyqute:
So, it's not about stringing winning runs again? You're starting to shift tables. And you're also starting to sound like Raumdeutter.

As long as Ole is concerned, the big question is; To what end?

We win 8 games, loss 2 and draw 3 and go on another run...A repetitive sequence...In that time, another lcub with win 10, draw 2 and continue their winning streak...You guys will attack those who think we need to do better as we have another club churning out an even more impressive Stat...

We will never win if we don't push to be the best of the lot...Ole can't keep cleaning up Mou's mess or steadying the ship. At some point he might need to point to something more tangible in order to keep his job...

Leyqute:
And you think a manager that went on multiple winning runs is not doing better than the one who went on a run you couldn’t elaborate on because .....

Is it now down to number of winning runs that ends with nothing? Ole should win trophies abeg...

Leyqute:
No momentum is eternally sustainable. It will eventually end at some point. The problem is if you cannot go on another run soon enough.

Can you elaborate on Mourinho’s run of good results? How many matches and how many points did he accrue?

I am not here to defend Mou because I wanted him sacked whilst he was here...

Mou is not the standard, we wanted him gone and now he is gone. We expect the new manager to come in and do better than him something Ole hasn't manage to do...

Mou replaced Van Gaal and did better, Ole should do same.

Leyqute:
Still the same thing.

Will Pep dare bench Aguero who will not adhere to his instructions if he doesn’t have Jesus?

You say Pep plays a certain brand of football and improves most of the players he coaches yet he has overhauled his Man City side a couple of years after he got there.

How many good-average players did he meet at City and how many of them are still in the squad?

If Pep was in charge at Utd, he cannot bench Martial perennially if his options are James, Rashford, Greenwood and Cavani.

It still boils down to player acquisition.

And he isn’t the one in charge of procuring those players. He only tells his bosses he needs players with such and such qualities and they get it for him. He doesn’t decide how much players are bought either.

Jesus was on the bench yesterday whilst Sterling, Foden and Mahrez started up front...Pep coached City yesterday...

dammywapes:
Bro make i clear you no b say i dey rate man utd players o but style of play of team dey help cover players wey dey shaky see when Dias dey under pressure yesterday he gave pen to liverpool when city dey under pressure when dem no control d game u go see lapses of some of their players see chelsea v man city last season see d mistake mendy did to allow pulisic score. Maguire no worst like this until e cm man utd same with pogba from juve. Awb dey blast go forward for palace he finished Ashley young then. Sm of man utd players go do well under guardiola style of play trust me. de gea for ATM self kna wall. Team style of play helps players. For instance see son for Spurs i look at him against Chelsea he was suffering from the style of play of jose.

Na why we dey talk say Ole no follow because some of this players been no bad before them join us so how come all of them come look like say them no good?

Ole no Sabi abeg.

Before Pep, I am sure if we asked between De Gea and Ederson, 90% of posters here would have opted for De Grea...

Cancelo/Walker vs AWB and you'd have many folks extol the defensive solidity of AWB...Most of you would've put it at 50 vs 50...

Of course I know Stones has always been called overrated English player so Lindelof will be picked ahead of him...

Dias from the Portuguese league over EPL proven Maguire? You might be lynched for entertaining such thoughts...

Rodri, the slow Rodri from LA Liga? He even plays in an ultra defensive set up under Simeone, he isn't good enough...McTominay is faster and Stronger...

Gundogan is injury prone, he has nothing on Pogba, a world cup winner...

Bernardo Silva/KDB? We have Bruno, he is better than both...

Sterling? The headless chicken? Rashford shits on him...

Greenwood is the truth, Mahrez is too inconsistent and all that...

The only area people won't debate on is the CF position and that's if you present Martial but if it's Cavani, we will hear how he has the best movement in the world...

But Pep is doing wonders with his team while ours is not good enough...Nobody wants to talk about the role of Pep and that of Ole which to me is the biggest difference between the both teams...

handelex:
I don't understand why will I do that?

You won't because you know that Amaka doesn't have 8t in him to steer us to the top of the league come May, 2021...

Karleb:
Why do you keep using this legend status line every now and then?

It's the only reason why most of you are still asking that he be given time to clean the supposed mess of Mou...

If Ole didn't have a history with the club, most of you would've been in the forefront calling for his sack...

handelex:


You have forgotten the Palace and Spurs games abi, or even Arsenal.

It's a combination of those results that has us behind City right now even when we were ahead of them at some point...

Can you bet 50k that we will leapfrog City like they did to us after the next 15 games or thereabout?

Leyqute:
I understand that we should be reaching for the topmost top. But I have a question for you:

When was the last time United went on any tangible run, amassing points? And under what manager?

We did it with Mou but he just couldn't sustain the momentum and now with Ole, we manage to falter after a decent run time after time...

Leyqute:
You’re making my point for me.

If Pep comes here, nothing will change with these players. They will adhere to instructions a match or two and then revert to normal in the next few games. If you’d watched other City games after that friendly, you’d notice.

That is the reason Pep couldn’t do jack with the Sagnas, Clichys and Bravos and Yaya Toures. He overhauled his squad in the first 2 seasons. Last 2 seasons he overhauled his defense again.

Do you think Martial will press like Jesus if Pep were his coach? I want you to answer this.

And buying players isn’t the job of the coach. The coach only gives the procuring department a list of the type of players he wants and the attributes he expects.

That United spent huge sums on a player doesn’t mean they cannot spend less on other alternatives. Blame the board and Ed for that incompetence. They cannot build a good scouting system or strike good deals in time.

If he doesn't, he drops to the bench...I gave you enough instances where Pep has benched established pros for youngsters who are ready to give their all...He did it at Barcelona where he sold Dinho and Deco while Eto'o just managed to stay one more season...That's a coach with guts, you 3ither do it his way or bounce...

For the money we used to sign Maguire and AWB, Pep would have gotten us 3-4 solid players...

Pogba won't even try all this his rubbish, he either commits to the course or bounce and as he goes, he'll be replaced adequately...

The thing with Pep is that his teams play a very good brand of football and he manages to improve most of the players he coaches. You can see what he did in Barcelona, at Bayern and now with City...All of those teams are still building off his style of blame...

nitrogen:
Abeg, he must win the EPL or UCL o, EL and FA are won by small boys managing small teams.

Hehehe You no want hear...After all na for here them rubbish those trophies...

Leyqute:
Good point. But look at this angle:

How has Tottenham’s passes been this season under Mou?
How has our passes been under Mou?
And how has our passes been this season?

There was a time under Mourinho when the passing was an issue. Mou drilled it into them and in the next game the passes were crisp and fast. Two games later the passes were slow again.

Even this season sef. There were games where the players took less time to pass the ball. Maguire was giving one time passes to Shaw. No time wasted on control. In 3 games he don revert to normal.

It’s either the coach is not telling them to pass faster or they’ve been telling them and e don tire coach.

If we’re going to make faster passes, it has to be as a unit. One slow passer (like Magwaya) will thrown a wrench in the works.

Same as pressing as a unit from the front. With Cavani up top, Bruno behind him and likeminded players on either side of him we’ll be good. But put Martial in front and we’re as useless as Phil. Jokes.

The solution? Which one is easier- buy new players that fit those roles or convert the ones you have to do those jobs ?

The solution is simple, change the coach...

The first time I watched Man City under Pep was in a friendly against Arsenal, a couple of days after he took over the reigns at City...The first thing I noticed was that immediately the keeper had the ball, the CBs opened up towards to full back position whilst the DM dropped back and the two wing backs moved higher up the pitch and the striker running into channels giving the keeper 6 options to pass the ball either to his CBs, the DM, wing backs or go long looking for the striker...Immediately I told myself that Pep is a coach...He didn't wait for when he got the best players, he started it straight away with Otamendi and Kompany, Clichy and Sagna, Fernandinho and Aguero...As the season wore on, he made changes to his personnel to best suit his style of player...

Under Pep it is soothing to note that most of their purchases is within the range of 50m whilst we on the other hand will sign one player for 100m or thereabouts...For Lukaku and Pogba, City will buy Gundogan, Jesus, Mendy and Walker...At the end, we will cry that City got 4 players while we got 2 but what happened? They spent better...Pep goes after very technical players and isn't afraid to bench underperforming players...Garcia was starting over Stones after Stones allowed the hype to get to him. Garcia na Tuanzebe and Mengi them mate o!

Jesus was starting over Aguero when Pep thought Aguero wasn't offering enough...

If Pep comes here, he might not win it in his first season but our pattern of play will change almost immediately and in the proceeding seasons, he will go about signing players to plug the gaps in the team...Everything is deliberate, he knows what he wants, how he wants to play and goes about getting it done...

handelex:
Well first of all one is a P. E teacher while the other two are proven winners.

Two they were brought in for specific purposes and assignments.

But me say this, if the the board mistakenly renews Ole's contract it means they now trust him to deliver those big titles then you'll see that I'm not an Ole fan boy if he fails to deliver those.

Now I don't kill myself knowing it's the board has the power to sack or retain him.

Ole is learning on the Manchester United job...If he wants to learn, Salford City is there...

CapitalCee:
Dont mind them. they think the clueless ole will achieve anything even if you give him Brazil 1970 squad. Give this united team to Guardiola, 1 year later you will see what the team will turn into, Ole cannot perform more than his abilities. He started coach about the same time with Guardiola but look at their trajectory.

For those that care to remember, the Barca team that Pep took over in 2008 is a very unbalanced and dilapidated, one year later he is winning the treble. Give Ole that kind of team, we will only be hearing of complaints here and there.
Today we complain of attack, tomorrow we complain of midfield the next is goalkeeper and then defence, every time with Ole nothing is ever balanced. If Ole did not play for Man United, will he ever smell the managers position at Manchester United?

Ole's status as a legend is the reason why some of them have refused to own up to the truth...

Ole doesn't have the credentials to coach this team neither does he have the technical know-how to see us all the way back to the top...

handelex:
Van Gaal tenure wasn't messy, the board saw Mourinho as an upgrade and with City appointing Pep, it was good for rivalry but alas Mou seems to has lost his edge.

Ole should win something alright, the EL at least and if he does, it helps my argument the more.

My problem is with the unrealistic outrage about our chances as regards the league.

With every passing weekend that we fail to win, the gap between us and the chasing pack closes...Remember...

Our momentum for the fist 18 games or so was perfect, it was near league winning form but right before our noses, the team haave started dropping points where they have no business dropping points.

As far as Ole is concerned, we can win 5 games and go ahead and loss 2 but we shouldn't complain because of what? Who cares about what you think...

How will we ascend to the top if we are okay with dropping points just because he had a good run prior to dropping points? In a league competition, how do you measure progress if you don't look at those around you?

Man City were below us at some point but ATM, they are ahead with a 5 pts lead and have a game in hand making it a possible 8 pts gap...Nobody wants to complain because we are 2nd on the log but by the time you look at how where City were before and now, you realize just how many points we have dropped that shouldn't be...

We draw Leicester, they will say Leicester is a big team but couple of weeks after, even smaller teams will go and get the maximum points off Leicester...

With Liverpool is the same thing. 1 point was looking like a steal until Burnley, Brighton and yesterday City when to Anfield and came back with 3 pts...Same Anfield that our fans here will vilify you for saying we shiuld have won there.

Every time we drop points, we will start reading how the other team is like prime Barca, only for a smaller team to beat the same team in the near future...

Excuses fc...

afrodoc2:
Na public service i dey do. I care about the health of my fellow United fans.

If you have studied the Glazers and Woodward over the last decade you will see that what matters to them is the Champion’s League qualification.
Check out the timing of their manager sackings.

A couple of weeks ago i posted a list of facts that would help both OleOut and OleIn live with peace of mind. If you read that list you will also have a relaxed mind.

Doc I read it but I can't imagine that we will be satisfied with a second placed finish or better put, qualification for the UCL...It just doesn't sit well with me...

handelex:
Then you guys should stop complaining that we didn't qualify from our CL group because we won't be winning it anyways and history remembers the winners only not the runner up.

Lemme still remind you that your MCM said coming second is his greatest achievement with us.

He said it's his greatest achievement as a manager...For your info, I am not a Mou fan, never will but the facts are there, he won a couple of trophies with us...

If not for Van Gaal and Mourinho, the situation would have been worse, their trophy win stint served as a perfect buffer to keep the club in the mix as trophy winners just the way Arsenal have managed a couple of FA cup triumphs even in their dark days...How long before we start demanding that Ole wins a trophy?

Why are you Oleinners not holding Ole to the same standards you held Van Gaal and Mou? Or should we just be satisfied with a couple of cup runs and UCL qualification? How the mighty have fallen, I remember how we used to banter Arsenal fans here when Wenger was still around...

handelex:


So you know, why asking then?

Van Gaal? Since na mess them dey employ people to clean now...

So when will Ole the cleaner finish cleaning the mess so we can start demanding for him to start coaching and winning trophies? This year? Next year? That year? Forever?

handelex:
Exactly, by this time last season we were 6th or so on the log and now we are 2nd, he's taking us backwards.

Juventus have been runners up in the UCL for a record of 7 times, they have only won it twice...

If Juventus didn't fail all those years, they'd have been the second most successful team in the UCL but no, they did thus have a meagre 2 UCL titles...

Nobody remembers that they have failed 7 times and how close they were, the only thing that matters is winning...

Finishing 2nd (The league is still some way off) or reaching semi finals isn't what brought us thus far...Waje me up when the Norwegian fraud wins a trophy here...I am no mediocre.

KingAlabi:
Now your been bias

Guy, Ole is not taking us anywhere...You people said we need to out spend our rivals to win and to be honest, I don't see us spending another £300-400m pounds in the summer so, how exactly will Ole do it?

Ole is not taking us anywhere, one step forward and 2-3 steps backward...

GloryIsaac:
Expected City to struggle without KDB but things seem to be different. Hopefully they stumble along the way.

City won't struggle...I am certain if Pep handles our squad and Ole handles City, in no time Man City fans will start saying we have the better players...

The urgency in the passing of Man City players, their positional awareness and pressing isn't down to the players but tentamount to a well drilled team...

Doc said I should make peace with the fact that Ole is average but how do you make peace knowing that we are headed to no where with Ole as coach? Aren't we wasting the talents of our current crop of players?

Is it not when we realized that Mou has reached his peak with us especially when he started causing trouble that most folks here gave up on him? How long before we realize that nearly isn't what brought us thus far? We always managed to win irrespective of the conditions but now, we seem to find excuse for every set back...

KingAlabi:
What mess does ole have?

What mess did Van Gaal and Mou have?

Abi na me go teach Maguire how to defend?