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Nezzjnr:

No be the same Dalot wey Ac Milan dey try sign?

melodyogonna:
Why we dey always underestimate players we have for here?

Na the patternless football wey we dey play dey make our players look average. Bring Sancho come here see whether we no go start to complain after a couple of games. Our system is very dysfunctional and it didn't take long for our new arrival, Van De Beek to notice it. His advisors are already talking about how bad we play.

nani667:
And some noobs will still be blaming Woodward and the board that they Don't back managers

#OleOUT

We hardly ever make profit when selling so I prefer not to look at net spent.

KingAlabi:
You are talking about players that other clubs signed that if mentioned here we will disregard and mention jota of Liverpool

And I said if Adama was 40 million do you think Liverpool will sign jota??

My post was more about the player than the price. If we made a move for Jota at that price, won't you guys say he isn't going to MASSIVELY improve us? In the same vein you guys claim Liverpool are improving their team...How are Liverpool improving their team by signing Jota yet Adama won't be an improvement if we signed him.

You are quick to point at Adama's price but have no qualms if we spent £108m on Sancho...E be things.

KingAlabi:
How much was jota signed?

Why you dey talk like this now

If Traore is quoted for 40 mil do you think Liverpool will sign jota over him?

You go spend 75 Milla on-top Adama

Na wa oh

Read that post again, this time slowly and you'll grasp the point in it...

afrodoc2:


Na joke i dey joke. You all need to relax. That way you will have peace of mind. Let me give you my opinion.

1) In my opinion it is fully confirmed and certified that Ole is not tactically sound. Sooner or later (probably sooner) we need to get a forward thinking manager. Ole will have to go at some point IMO but it is still too early in the season for the kind of overreaction that has been seen on this thread. He has to be seen to have failed before he can be sacked. That is how jobs work, it is not normal to sack someone in anticipation of his failure cos no one knows tomorrow. No manager will get sacked after 2 games so Ole out people have to relax.........it is not happening soon.

2) The major issue we need to sort (which i have mentioned before) is not sacking Ole, but getting the right manager to replace him. If we hurriedly sack and appoint like we did with JM/Ole we will be back in this same position in 2years.


3) I don't think the manager we need to move forward is Poch. His teams played a boring, narrow, and physical style very reliant on peak Kane, Dembele, Ali, Eriksen. Immediately a number of those guys lost form his team collapsed. His system is not one that can work long term in a big club.
I don't see Poch as this extraordinary tactician especially in terms of attacking football and do not believe he is the right man for the job.


4) Even though Ole is tactically poor, i think the club could have done better in terms of player acquisition. JM made a number of mistakes in this regard and i believe Ole has done the same thing.
He has bought some decent players that stylistically are wrong for the team he is trying to build. Maguire is too slow to play the highline which we need to maintain a good press and keep good pressure on small teams, AWB is too unskilled to play for a big team as a RB (I warned people here about this before we bought him and now he gets criticized almost every match day for this).

Sometimes it is not about the individual quality of the player but how he fits in a system. Our team has been built like a mansion that had different sections designed by different architects. Ole, just like JM before him has to take a large chunk of the blame in this as well.

5) Finally, even with this squad our football should be much better. And we can't blame it all on fatigue. These problems have been there since last season but the quality of a number of our players allows us to get away with a poor system.
We don't know how to press as a team. We don't know how to play pass and move. We don't make use of triangles. Our full backs are rarely set up to have space in the final third because our side to side transition is SLOW.
All this is on Ole (NO MATTER THE QUALITY OF THE PLAYERS). Ole in people should accept this as well because i think this is what annoys others the most.

This is it...

benji93:
I could argue that your take on Mane is not True. But we will never know what really is, will we? Mane was on the rise, that's for sure. But how much Klopp's coaching or Mane's person ambition and seriousness about getting better contributed to today's Mane may never be well-defined.

Okay, leave Mane out even though it is obvious that his movement and finishing has improved.
You can take a look at Henderson, Robertson, Wjinaldum etc.

TeslaFC:
Pfft.

Liverpool and City are strengthening their squad depth.

Btw, incase you don’t know, Thiago is injured. Again.

Yeah, Mane scored the fastest hat trick in the Premier League while playing for Juergen Klopp lmao

What is your point?

afrodoc2:
You made many good points but that Dembele issue is a no go area.

Any club whose main transfer window acquisition is Dembele is on a long thing.

In the slower paced and less explosive Spanish Liga this guy has had repeated hamstring injury after hamstring injury missing an average of 26 games per season over the last 3 seasons.

Also I am a big Klopp fan but Mane was always going to improve with time no matter the manager.

The system put in place to help him succeed was created by Klopp but all that pace, power, technique, and finishing is the work of Mane himself.

I'll put the finishing and movement down to inputs from the technical team.

The Dembele line was put forth just to buttress the point that it's not every player our rival signs that's worth it and not because I support his purchase. Look at people already hailing Liverpool for signing Tiago who is already 29 and injury prone but if we had signed him, the mood here would've been dampened...Jota who wasn't as important to Wolves as Traore is tagged an improvement even when Traore isn't rated by the same folks.

Ole has been here for one and a half season yet we still don't have an identity compared to Liverpool when Klopp first took charge or Manchester City with Pep.

When Tiago was mentioned here, you guys called him an injury prone player knocking off the idea almost immediately but now you guys claim Liverpool (our rivals) have strengthened or is it Jota? Or that Greek left back? Will you guys accept any of those players here?

Who has City bought? Ake, Diaz and Ferran Torres...If someone here suggested Torres, won't you people be asking if he will MASSIVELY improve our team? Or is it Ake that you lots won't say was relegated with Bournemouth thus isn't good enough or Diaz from the Portuguese league?

Arsenal have signed Willian whom I am certain won't be accepted here or it is Sali a and Gabriel you people won't knock down for Tuanzebe and Mengi?

Who has Spurs gotten? Bale and Reguillon, the same Bale that you guys started cursing Ed when we were linked to him or Reguillon people started tabbing here because he was dribbled once?

Who has Leicester Signed that you guys think will fit in our team or MASSIVELY improve us as you guys will say?

I am sure if Liverpool or Manchester City were the ones who signed Van De Beek, you guys would have called him an improvement too but because we got him, he isn't.

Now, I hear we're close to signing up Dembele and already fans are against the signing sighting his injury record but if Pep and City swoop for him, you people will start shouting that our rivals are strengthening.

If Pogba, Martial, De Gea and the likes were in other clubs and moved to our rivals in the league this summer, I am sure you guys would've been criticizing Ed here for not getting them. Every toy out there looks so good you want to throw away the one you already have.ut you fail to realize that some ody washes those toys you see out there so they keep shining...

Before you come here to say our rivals are strengthening, do well to point out the players they have signed so we can take a critical look at them.

We have quality players in our team but we have not gotten the right manager to work with them. If you are doubting the impact of a manager on a player, check Mane for instance, until he met Klopp his game was still raw but now, look at Mane, he has fine tuned his game and is now a player to reckon with.

NB: I once supported Ole but when I saw that the job was bigger than him, I had no option but to backtrack.

eph12:
Who is 80+% sure that we will win Brighton today?

Last time I woke up feeling confident Brighton almost killed us. This time, I am keeping my hopes down...

Panther7:
Hmmm but who sacks a manager just 2 games into the new season?
Ole isn't going anytime soon except till the end of the season. We just have to live with it for now.

When was Mou sacked? December, right?

Let us continue playing uninspiring football and watch how Woodward will fire Ole before October ending...I hope we improve though.

Panther7:
So what's the way forward now?
Sack Ole?

It's the only option that's feasible if our performance doesn't take a turn for the better over the next few games.

The Glazers aren't going anywhere for now that means Ed will remain in charge and you can't possibly replace all the players...

If Chelsea don't improve and fast, I see the same scenario happening in our (Manchester United) thread playing out here where a section of the fan base are loyal to the manager because he is a club legend irrespective of how bad the team is...

KingAlabi:
I now understand what you guys want

Fancy football

But my question is
If we get a coach wey go run us fancy football and doesn't win spoon

And a coach wey go give us kick and follow and win trophies which one una go choose

We go dey alright laslas

Which one is your Alpha and Omega giving us?

You Ole fan boys are so annoying, when things aren't going your preferred way, know when to quit or lay low. Ole is not taking us anywhere near where we should be based on factual evidence on ground, argue otherwise...

adebayo201:
10 games? Like The league alone or in all competitions If it's in the EPL, nah 30 points be that oh...

Wait, Patrickmuf, Larride, nitrogen, Expert17, are you also willing to give Olè 10 games

Am I mad to give Ole 10 games? Even after 2 games, I have lost patience...

On the other hand, I hope Chelsea continue to struggle...

melodyogonna:
You guys are going overboard with the complaints and the negativity is appalling, really. and I don't see how I'm writing off 15 points seeing as we've already played 3 matches and won two.

I mentioning other teams that have lost recently is reminding you that's it's reality not a movie, we're not exclusively losing while others are exclusively winning.

Now before you start getting the wrong ideas I don't support the drab football we're playing, but I have to see the reality which is that the players are not very match fit, especially since I know they can serve far better football than they're doing currently.

We have played just 2 matches in the league, lost one and luckily won one...

melodyogonna:
Lol, you lot talk as if we're the only ones exclusively losing, they trashed Chelsea, Man city and Arsenal last game week sha.

So, we should not complain because they trashed City and Arsenal abi?

I wonder if this Ole fan boys really watch our games or are you lots blinded by loyalty like most of our legends?

Liverpool are gunning for that record equaling 20th EPL title but no, we should sit down and listen to excuses...

Someone is willing to write off 15 pts because of the rubbish fitness excuse Ole dropped. Which kind mediocrity be this one na? This is what you expect from Cardiff, Fulham and West Brom fans.

Panther7:
what is your expectation for this team coming into the season? Certainly it can't be to win the league ahead of liverpool and Man city with that type of Squad?

Top 4 finish with a marked improvement in our play as well as a trophy in the bag, FA Cup or Caraboa cup.

metodman:
I see some people think we are criticizing OLE based on the two matches. Well, that is not true. Most people have been sitting on the fence for a long time and they are starting to see the reality or should I say that they will eventually admit their fears and reservations.

Please do not remind me that we made top three...I already know and I also know we were not great. We made top three because of how poor other teams were.

I looked at the way we played towards the end of last season and I was not surprised. That has been the norm under OLE and trust me, its gonna be same this season. A good manager can not be a bad one overnight, likewise a "not-so-good-enough" manager can not be adequate overnight. Football has changed so much. There were times we were not so far away from teams like Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern M. but now we are so far below them and you know what is painful, the gap is increasing every season.

I dont think anyone is saying OLE is a bad manager entirely but we have seen seen his antecedents and we know that he is not what we want to take us back to where we belong. My fear is that we dont want to go the Liverpool way- I mean the 30years of wait.

One thing you can take to the bank is that we going to have that famous 10-match winning spree but we are also going to have many of those frustrating matches which might be worse towards the end of the season. Is this what we want? Is that going to be enough, especially for Manchester united?

This is DEFINITELY beyond players not having enough rest .. it is DEFINITELY beyond the team not having an adequate preseason. It is beyond those!

How someone will read what you just wrote and still defend Ole is beyond me.

Every average team will at one point or another enjoy a rich vein of form in the course of the season so I don't get carried away when we hit that form because we'll be back to playing rubbish afterwards. It's what gave Ole the job and afterwards, we faltered. Last season, we started poorly only to pick up after Bruno was signed and when teams figured out they key to stopping us from creating chances was a parked midfield, we began to struggle again.

Yesterday, Liverpool showed their attacking prowess with TAA and Robertson combining for a goal. Watching that match, you'd marvel at the tactical play of both managers, Fabinho sat deep to protect the defense whilst TAA and Robertson pushed forward to stretch Arsenal allowing Mane, Firmino and Salah to press Arsenal from the front and when they beat that press, Wjinaldum and Keita engaged...Arsenal couldn't live with it even though they too looked dangerous on the counter. Watching the match, you feel Arsenal missed a midfielder who could resist that press and when Cebellos came in, they looked far more dangerous.

That's two coaches playing to the strength of their respective teams. Here, we are so disjointed, the front 3 will press but the midfield will sit back. When the midfield pushes up, the defense will sit back instead of pushing up to make the field compact. We are really behind in terms of playing progressive football...

eph12:
The rest of the league is also waiting for 5 matches na

The excuses people put up for Ole is mind blowing.

melodyogonna:
I don't really understand what's so hard in waiting for the team to play upto five matches to regain match fitness, out of the three games we've played so far we won 2, you can make excuses for those teams all you want but they're also having a rough start. You knew Chelsea would need some time to start playing up to their potentials but you're not ready to afford our players same time? Tell me, what magic will a new coach apply on unfit players?

Cut them some slack man, they're not robots. These guys guys were literally dead on their feets towards the end of last season having been severely overplayed, they had two weeks to recover, some had only one, they couldn't even train upto a week together before the new season started, they need some time to find sharpness. I don't understand why we're so impatient.

I know the coaches and the players are working hard to get themselves back to full fitness, thankfully we've not been hit with any muscle injuries yet.

Five matches is 15 points o! Our rivals won't wait for us.

elrony:
Fake News

Patrickmuf apparently typed that with a glass of premium cider in his left hand and a fat ass smile

Baba that Brighton match pain me well...Very poor performance all round...

melodyogonna:
I'm watching the trends.

Man United
Man City,
Bayern Munich,
Sevilla,
PSG,
Chelsea,
Arsenal

This are teams that played far into the season and had little or no preseason, I still dey watch.

Man City are badly affected by injuries to key players and nothing more...

When Bayern destroyed Schalke, we did not see any excuses. If you follow the Buli, you'd know already that Hoeffenheim always up their game against Bayern.

Sevilla are very inconsistent in the league forget their UEL performance.

PSG were without their star men in their first game so the loss was inevitable. After their 2nd game where they lost to Marseille, they have racked up 2 straight victories.

Chelsea we always knew will take some time for them to start playing to their potential.

Arsenal are doing well.

The difference here is that we do not have any injury concern yet we are playing poorly not against top teams but against the Palace and Brighton's of the world. The team that started against Brighton bar Lindelof (debatable) is our best team yet we couldn't string 3-4 passes together and when we manage to string those passes together it's between De Gea, Maguire, Lindelof and Wan-Bissaka...We were playing on the break against Brighton, that's unacceptable.

afrodoc2:
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For shizzle?

Doc, that guy annoy me annoyed me against Brighton...

Some folks here are just impossible...If you think dissing Martial will get to me, you're on a long thing...

Martial can go to hell for all I care, it's Manchester United first...

Leyqute:
I wonder what standards you’ve set for Martial.

Go back and check my comment on his performance against Brighton...Unlike you, I know where to draw the line...

What you guys don't get is that we set our own standards...

Even if City drop points, Liverpool and Chelsea do same, I won't settle for less...It's this mentality that has brought us here. Fergie wanted his team to always be the best, he cared less if his rivals were faltering...

timay:
Shebi when we dey talk say Ole is shit , some people are here defending him, and busy blaming the players

E be things...

Expert17:
We played counter attack against Brighton...ffs



This season go long die

Siddon look mode activated...

Expert17:
Sancho is playing for Liecester

Leicester are parading Evans, he is better than Maguire...

Tielemans, Praet and Mendy are better than Pogba, Fernandez and Matic...

Barnes and Vardy are better than Rashford and Martial...

Of a truth, only Vardy will get into our team...

DExponential:
I didn't mention names ooh

Lol I expect Bayern to win, they still have Lewandowski, Coman and Goretzka on the bench...

DExponential:
A team is currently 'chopping' goals

Bayern...