Emusan:


These are the questions again

Then why praying and worshipping another person apart from God?

Empty skull hypocrite!

What does it mean to pray and worship another being apart from God?

If Russell admitted that he was nowhere instructed to pray to Jesus and he went ahead to do so, what does that make him?

Padi enough of assumptions and imaginations , You can't Provide where The man claimed Jesus is his God ?

Emusan:


John 1:1 "...and the word was God"

Heb 1:6 "Thy throne Oh God"

Liar, King of Lies

Nope, it didnt say he is OUR GOD .

Is your eyes so dull you can't see How Revelation 7:10 qualifies the Father as " OUR GOD " ??

Provide where Jesus is qualified as such.

You're Jesus son because He created you!

Yes and Everlasting Father

Your brain is paining you!

Mumu ooooo , So u can't even find anywhere anyone is called Jesus sons. Mr Man Jesus is not the Creator , he is just an agent. Do you know I and Jesus are Brothers ?

Jesus have no sons , we are Brothers

Jozzy4:


The bold correctly applied to you. Consider this : The Greek word rendered Human or mankind at Revelation 21:3,4 encompasses both Male and Female , young or old, Are there Male and female in heaven ? Sense ehn , e far from you.

Finishing ... Rottennaija can go and faint now

Emusan:


Then why praying and worshipping another person apart from God?



Empty skull hypocrite!

What does it mean to pray and worship another being apart from God?

If Russell admitted that he was nowhere instructed to pray to Jesus and he went ahead to do so, what does that make him?

You are Still assuming right ? When you get where he said Jesus is HIS GOD . quote me

Emusan:


This is my post again

Jesus is our God!
So on what ground did you respect Jesus because both of you are God?

Bible verse ?

Jesus is also our Father

Rev also says people will worship the Lamb and the Lamb is also on the same Throne, deluded peacefullove you can die now!

Where was Jesus called Micheal is my question?

Hypocrite!

" For one is your Father, the heavenly one " - Matthew 23 vs 9

I am going to my Father and Your Father - John 20:17 .


Jesus is now the Father . deluded Emusan
Jesus have no sons , who is his son abeg ?

Let me know Jesus sons , or show me where anyone is called Jesus Sons . You are too dull

rottennaija:


And horses are what?

Show me where those riding the horses are called Humans ?

freshboi88:


God accepted the sacrifice of animals for temporary forgiveness of sin but it was not enough to deliver his people. Until Jesus shared his own blood.

God used different people to save man from bondage including your othniel. It was not enough to save man. So Jesus became the perfect savior of man.

Jesus is the only saviour of man, there's not two. Stop fooling urself.

Is othniel the savior man?

Jesus is one of those he used as Savior. This time bondage of sin and death.


Good day.

rottennaija:


You see how foolish you can be, when you asked about the Red Horse, Black Horse, Pale Horse, White Horse have not seen nor heard of different colours of horses before? And those horses were name are given, death, hunger, wars etc.

But you foolish ignorance didn't see the questions I asked earlier. And I still repeat it, whether they stand for something, real, imagine, what did the apostle John see? Horses. And what are horses, animals. And where did he see them? Heaven

Right from the beginning of these your senseless and baseless arguments, did I ever ask you or say to you this is real or not? It started with humans spirit being, a word I coin for what John observed. [color=red] I agree totally that they were spirit beings but humans. [/b] Have you fool one ever heard of the expression Angelic spirit beings, a nomenclature which differentiate this particular spirit beings from another?

But since your had this myopic inclination, you start twisting things from left right center. The spirit beings in heaven are called 24 Elders, which is a human nomenclature. Let me ask you senseless ones, do we have elders in heaven? Where elders created in heaven? Are elders not human nomenclature?

But now, in the Revelation given to John, this human spirit creature are appropriately described as elders. What did you do? You start jumping from here to there just to satisfy your ego.

I asked you a simple question... What did John see? A horse. What is a horse?... A resonance silence becomes your senseless lot just so that you will not utter the 6 letter word animal.

Irrespective of what it means, symbolic, real, imagine, John saw a horse... Which is an animal in heaven. Period.

What did John see? A dragon.... Are dragons animals? Foolish one, what is a dragon? Can you beat your chest and say that God created dragons in his creative works? Was it before creating the Dinasours or after? Are Dragons not as much a myth as Dinasours, Unicorns, Krakens, Mermaids, Hydras?

But ask me the question, what did John see? A dragon would be my response. Whether it is real or not is besides the point. What he was was a dragon. Is a dragon an animal? There is no such classification as you cannot classify Unicorns, Krakens, Mermaids, Hydras.

So keep changing the narrative. It's called a straw man's argument.

Nowhere are spirit beings CALLED HUMAN!!! They may be given such descriptions e.g God been Aged of days . God waking up from sleep etc . But he was never called human , that title is reserved for earthly people. EXCLUSIVELY.

What appeared at Rev 21:3,4 , Humans or spirit beings ?

OritaIbadan:

I had even tried to ignore but am not finding it very easy thats why I informed my wife and brought it up here just to be sure I do the right thing

You are just been human. Well done bro

izzou:


And then if she dies from the next abortion nko?

Dont mind that lady . hypocrite

Michelle55:
The earlier we learn to mind our business, the better it would be for us all..

Op, simply turn a blind eye like nothing happened, you don't have any right to snoop around her like that.. You are only her boss not her parents

So u are advocating turning a blind eye to everything ?

You mean people should mind their business concerning all this rapists as well right ?? Nonsense.

rottennaija:


Here you go again, jumping from frying pan to fire. Mr. Mumu detector of mumu, Please tell, in these verses, what is real and what is not.


Revelation 19:11-14
Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses


Please tell what is real and what is not and also tell me what the apostle John said he saw.

So you can't tell me if the dragon with seven heads is real ? Are u denying animals in heaven ?

Apart from white horse .
there is a RED HORSE too in the same revelation, how real is that to you ??


" Then another horse appeared, a red one. " Rev 6:4



And let me show you another rider in Rev 6:8, Your head will reset by force.

" And I looked, and there was a pale green horse. The horseman on it was named Death, and Hades was following after him. "

Green Horse .

Hades has legs and walking after it .

If your brain still didnt see this descriptions for the symbolism they are. You are definitely sick

Emusan:


Jesus is our God!
So on what ground did you respect Jesus because both of you are God?
Jesus is also our Father

Rev also says people will worship the Lamb and the Lamb is also on the same Throne, deluded peacefullove you can die now!

Where was Jesus called Micheal is my question?

Hypocrite!

So no single Bible verse to support the bold ? You are sick.

Emusan:
This my post you failed to address and you're still beating about the bush.

Now see the way she boycotted my point and question!

Here again

So Russell only shows Christ RESPECT because he LACKS THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE of Proskuneo.
So now that Proskuneo isn't worshipped, are we to respect Christ?

Your lying mouth will continue to rope you in.
"SOME DON'T KNOW"

Who are these "SOME"?

And Wasn't that verse already in the scripture before Russell was born?

What is the essence of Russell being the very MOUTHPIECE of Jehovah and yet Jehovah allowed him to die in this wrong believe?

Which wrong belief , Did he tell you Jesus is his God ?

Like I said earlier, your lying mouth will continue to rope you in.

Now, this is another stumbling block for you.

If RUSSELL admitted that he was nowhere instructed to pray to Jesus and he went ahead to do so.

Definitely Russell is praying to two different persons.

Doesn't that mean he had another God apart from the true God?


Who inspired him to do so?

Then who should we pray to?

Isn't praying an act of worship to a deity?

You're really sick in the head!

You are the sick one for assuming what he didnt do . Present where he said Jesus is his God ?? Brain dead human

freshboi88:


Deluded being. In trying to prove me wrong and argue blindly. U call God a lair.

Is othniel your savior?....why have u failed to answer this question?

Ansa the question nah, is othniel your savior?....is he the savior of man?

U mumu o, Is God a liar when he make othniel Israelites Saviour ?

rottennaija:


Fool

rottennaija:


You are funniest fool, what did he see? Did he see the dragon? How real is heaven to you child of the wisest? Where is heaven? Which planet is it? We can see the earth and pinpoint the solar system it belongs to and the galaxy, tell wisest fool, which planet is heaven? Which galaxy?

Oga is the dragon with seven heads also real ? What about the beasts with different heads described in the same revelation ? Since the horses are real to Mumu like you, Then the dragons are real . Dumb man

See how a single bible verse as Rev 21:3,4 turn you to a toddler grabbing straws

rottennaija:


Again another diversion. Whether animal was created in heaven or in the moon is besides the question asked. The apostle John in his vision said he saw a horse... Mr wise Peacefullove, what is a horse?

You see, you can only fool those whom you can fool. You see those who claim they are wise, they are the most fools. What is a horse? A plant? Animal? Angels? Humans?

Because of your shame, you cannot even say a horse is an animal before beginning to explain nonsense whatever you have in mine.

And yet, I am the fool. My dear, the keep jumping up and down. Eventually, you will bury your wise head in shame.

Now you are really stupid. John seeing something does not make it real. John see stars falling on earth, Does it make it real , . In another instance , John saw right in heaven a dragon seven heads fighting with Michael . Is this animal Real ?

Am talking reality, you are talking see , Dumb man

If you can't prove this animals are in heaven Eat the dust in shame.

Janosky:

Judges6:11-22, PROOF of Shadeyinka's DELUSION...

12 And the angel of Jehovah appeared unto him, and said unto him, Jehovah is with thee, thou mighty man of valor. 13 And Gideon said unto him, Oh, my lord, if Jehovah is with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where are all his wondrous works which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not Jehovah bring us up from Egypt? but now Jehovah hath cast us off, and delivered us into the hand of Midian. 14 And Jehovah looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and save Israel from the hand of Midian: have not I sent thee?

20 And the angel of God said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so. 21 Then the angel of Jehovah put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there went up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and the angel of Jehovah departed out of his sight. 22 And Gideon saw that he was the angel of Jehovah; and Gideon said, Alas, O Lord Jehovah! forasmuch as I have seen the angel of Jehovah face to face."

Judges 6:11-22 says

John 5:43, Jesus " came in the name of the Father"
Bros, is Jesus Christ the Father?

* Exodus 33:20
"And Jehovah added, “You cannot see My face, for no one can see Me and live.”


John 1:18
No man has ever seen God at anytime"

Isaiah 43:10, Bros, your FALSE claim here amounts to saying because JWs bear Jehovah's witnesses it means it is Jehovah Himself witnessing.

Shadeyinka is super glued with DELUSION

You have finished him

shadeyinka:
Three men came to Abram. We later saw that two (or the three according to JW doctrine) of these men were Angels.
JW interpretations:
Therefore, the Angels are actually Human Beings
Christian interpretation
Therefore, the men are actually Angels

Your lying mouth first denied Jacob fought an angel. Now you are struggling again to admit that an Angel spoke with Abraham , with Jehovah title .

Abaraham entertained all three men, According to the Bible , those entertained are ANGELS . you have your answer

I know that you will scream foul: but aren't you using the same argument in the question you posted.


Unlike you who would rather dodge scriptural questions. Your NWT actually clarifies it for you.


Exodus3:1-22 NWT
3 Moses became a shepherd of the flock of his father-in-law Jethʹro,a the priest of Midʹi·an. While he was leading the flock to the west side of the wilderness, he eventually came to the mountain of the true God, to Horʹeb.
2 Then Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a flame of fire in the midst of a thornbush. As he kept looking, he saw that the thornbush was on fire, and yet the thornbush was not consumed.
3 So Moses said: “I will go over to inspect this unusual sight to see why the thornbush does not burn up.”
4 When Jehovah saw that he went over to look, God called to him out of the thornbush and said: “Moses! Moses!” to which he said: “Here I am.”
5 Then he said: “Do not come any nearer. Remove your sandals from your feet, because the place where you are standing is holy ground.”
6 He went on to say: “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at the true God.
7 Jehovah added: “I have certainly seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and I have heard their outcry because of those who force them to work; I well know the pains they suffer.

I think you have been answered. Moses was afraid to look at the true God. Is an Angel the true God?

Why do you think the bible didn't say:
And the Angel spoke to Moses....?

Now, according to NWTwho spoke to Moses?
Was it the Angel or was it Jehovah?

The highlighted is your answer ... The voice came right from the midst of the thornbush, guess who was there ? Second example together with of Abraham.

rottennaija:


Lol... Suddenly, the almighty IQ Peacefullove is dumb. Arguing from human attributes of riding horses to animal dying and going to heaven. I know your problem, it's not just problem but that of all JWs.

My dear, what are horses? Are the spirit being? Animals? Humans? What are horses? I understand the difficulties in simply saying horses are animals because they will destroy the superstructure of the arguments you built since.

Please my knowledgeable IQ Peacefullove, is apostle John lying that on what he saw so that he would use anthropomorphism to describe it? Or can we just say he describes fictions which doesn't exist?

So far you decided to be stupid. Am enjoying this, John also see a dragon with seven heads fighting with Michael. Guess that animals is real too .

Are all this animals in Heaven ?


Bookmarked.

freshboi88:


Since you fail to agree that othniel is your savior then he is no savior at all

You can deal with the fact that Israelites have no two saviours yet Othniel is a savior , Same with Jesus .

freshboi88:


Is othniel your savior?

Since you admit othniel being a Savior does not make the Israelites to whom the text of Isaiah 43:11 was first directed have two saviours , Having Jesus as saviour also does not contradict that Isaiah 43:11. Deal with it.

freshboi88:


Why are we talking bout the isrealites ....is othniel your Savior?

Because the statement No saviour beside me was first directed at the Israelites, Yet God raise a saviour for them, so how many saviours ?

shadeyinka:


To you, it means that the Angel is now Jehovah!? Or that the Angels name can now be called Jehovah!?

My friend, an angel remain an angel is an angel and can never be called Jehovah!

2Ths 1:12:
"That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ."
According to you: Means we are now by nomenclature Jesus Christ!?

Rev 3:12:
"Him that overcomes will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [/b]which is new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God: and I will write on him my new name."
And so according to you, all who are saved will become by nomenclature Jehovah!?

[b]Rev 14:1:
"And I looked, and, see, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."
And so according to you, the 144,000 became by nomenclature Jehovah!?

How come you can't say exactly as the NWT put it?

It would have been nice if you had answered the questions below rather than struggling like a drowning man


And you think your argument doesn't contradict

Is42:8 NWT
8 I am Jehovah . That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.

Moses at the burning bush.

Who was called Jehovah?

rottennaija:


So what are those horses seen by John? Or did John not see it? Or is he also giving non animal things animal attributes?

Horse riding is an human attribute. This is why I ask you to study anthropomorphism . so when animals die, they go to heaven?

rottennaija:


John describes anthropomorphism? Please highlight the anthropomorphism in this verse and the un-anthropomorphism for me my IQ person

Revelation 19:14 ESV
And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses

Revelation 19:11-14 ESV
Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses

I want to learn from you

Horses there ain't real . Genesis 1:30 says their habitat is earth. ..

"
and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so.


You can now tell me Horses die and go to heaven .

[/color]

rottennaija:


You still dodge the question, what did John see? what are horses? Are they animals or angel or humans or spirit beings? Do they have skeletal structures that would support sitting on and racing?

What John described is an anthropormophism.

rottennaija:


Please tell me. I studied engineering. What is anthropomorphism and how does it relate to what John saw. Did John see a horse or a spirit horse or what?

Horse are earthly ... They dont exist until God created them on planet earth.

Anthropomorphism means giving human features to Non human persons. Its humans that ride horse on earth, but such attributes were given to non humans.

I repeat again: the ones called Humans are flesh and Bone's ( Genesis 5:2). So there is nothing like human spirit being. Its an oxymoron

freshboi88:


Hahahaha....u r not smart!

I asked u a question, is othniel your savior?......

Ansa that question first Baba....I dnt like going round in circles

Othniel case will solve this .
How many saviours do the Israelites have ??

shadeyinka:

You have argued that an Angel can be called God BUT can an angel be called JEHOVAH?

Exodus 23:20,21

" See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him. "

What does the highlighted tells you ? When acting as representative. They bear the name

rottennaija:


But you didn't respond to the question but rather went on an attack. Please Mr. IQ increased what are horses? Are they animals or angel or humans or spirit beings? Do they have skeletal structures that would support sitting on and racing?

Have you study anthropomorphism??