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DrLiveLogic:

Bwahahaha! LMAO. Another JW bows out. Next!

Someone else please come and answer these three questions o. They are only for your own good. LMAO.



***I'm going to continue presenting these questions all together until any of you can attack them all together. I'm not here for rigmaroles. If you can't attack them all together, then Jesus is one Being with YAHWEH

1.) Even if creatures share any titles Can any creature have the number First (before existence) and Last (after all existence is dissolved) at the same time? Please tell us which.


Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.?


3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb.


***If you need help with the answers, refer to my thesis and attack it



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@Highlighted , YOU LIED !!! ... Nowhere is Jesus called Almighty. I think you finally roped yourself.

hoopernikao:
Good morning all,

@DappaD, Maximus69, TATIME, Janosky,

I am surprised at the energy level here and the arguments ongoing.

I am surprised the more that you who claimed you arent here to argue when i asked you to prove your convictions are now dishing out defence and cases to support your arguments.

You said, i like arguments, isnt that deceptive and sentimental now? Since PAGE 32-33 of this thread, you have avoided to discuss what i raised with you but stylishly continue in arguing and avoiding the question. This is PAGE 89 now and you still have energy in you to argue.

Since the energy level have risen again, and you all have the abilities to argue and defend your theology now, I am going to reiterate my questions again.

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ON ISSUE OF TRINITY AND JESUS DIVINITY OF CHRIST.

I asked.

1. On The History of The Church

If the doctrine of Jesus is an Angel is not false doctrine that found itself into the church over the later years, show me, quote, state any text from anyone one from the early church (after the apostles), in the 1st/2nd Century that preach, wrote or assert that Jesus is an angel. There are many texts and 1st/2nd century Christians who wrote otherwise.

Let us have a text to support your history first.


2. On Bible Doctrine/Explanation

Show us any text in the scriptures that said JESUS IS AN ANGEL. Any text. The last time, you all said we should juxtapose scriptures for you, is that not what you refused from those who preached trinity?


See one of your apology below.

1 Thess 4:16
16 For the[b] Lord himself shall descend[/b] from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

THE VERSE: Because the Lord is mentioned, and spoke about descending WITH the voice of the archangel,
YOUR CONCLUSION: Then Jesus must be angel Michael because of the voice of arch angel.

Reason that well, does this sound serious to you, even in literal application.


Someone explaining trinity gave you this scriptures below.

Isa 9:6
...And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

HIS ARGUMENT/CONCLUSION: Since Jesus is called Mighty God, Everlasting Father at least, those refer to God. Hence Jesus is presented as God here.

Can you think of a mind that rejected this argument of MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER but supported the first argument that uses just VOICE OF AN ANGEL?.

Like i told you, the one teaching JESUS AS GOD has more scriptural backing and support than the one who claim JESUS AS ANGEL.

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Therefore, i will ask again, present to me:

1. History of early church writings that teaches Christ as angel (at least these men are closer to the Apostle's time, some of them were taught by the Apostles and error will be at the minimum.

2. Scriptural evidence that stated that Jesus is an Angel. Not twisting or manipulation of scriptures.

NOTE:
And it will be dishonest to start shouting "dont quote me again", "you like arguing", "you are not ready to learn etc". All these are dishonesty and deceptions as you cant ask to be spared after getting into the boxing ring without gloves.

And mind you, i quote others below as they are already part of this discuss.

solite3, Peacefullove, DrLiveLogic, Rozz

The issue with that Voice is , it states that when he descend with that voice , The dead will rise , question : Whose voice will the dead hear , Jesus or Another person ?

This is where it get trickier

As for Everlasting Father ... Its a title . Jesus had no children . he is our brother.

As for Mighty God , it says " He shall be called " ... Meaning he has not always been God, so you agree ? This is not the true God. Humans are also called El Gibboa

DrLiveLogic:



1.) Is YAHWEH not the First and last? Is Jesus not also First and Last? Is there any creature bearing First and Last? If no, then it is only YAHWEH and Jesus because they are one Being

Jesus and his disciples are also tagged " Apostles " , that make them the same person ?

Jesus and Nebuchadnezzar shared the title " King of Kings " ,that made them same person ?


When Jesus died, Yahweh should have died too. If they are one being .

2.)Is YAHWEH not recognised by the Jews as the Judge of the living and the dead? Is Jesus not also the judge of the living and the dead? Is any other being the judge of the living and the dead? If no. Then YAHWEH and Jesus are One Being.

Do you read where Jesus the Father gave him authority before he could do this ?? I doubt . same beings do not need to collect authority from another.

3.) Is YAHWEH seated on the sovereign throne in heaven? Is the that throne not also called the throne of the Lamb? If so, then Jesus and YAHWEH are one Being.

Jesus said those who conquer would also sit on that throne. I guess they are Yahweh , u no well o

4.) Is YAHWEH not the only God to be worshipped by His command? Is Jesus not also to be worshipped by his same command? Is any created thing in heaven or earth to be worshipped besides YAHWEH? If no, then YAHWEH and Jesus are one Being.

True worshippers will WORSHIP the Father - John 4:23,24

Not Father and Jesus. _ are u a false worshipper ?

5.) Is YAHWEH's Godhead name not the same as Jesus' Godhead name? Does any other being bear this Godhead name? If no, then YAHWEH and Jesus are one Being.

Case Closed.

Don't mention me without direct answers to these questions. And silence or avoidance is agreement that Jesus is YAHWEH.



it will be all over soon. These guys want to make me form alliance so they can distract me from annihilating them. Childrens tricks sucks. LMAO. I'm coming soon.



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Your last point is the dullest , Psalm 83:18 says Yahweh is the Most High , We all know Jesus claimed to have a God proving he is under someone else authority. He isn't the Most High.


Act 3:13 says Jesus is a SERVANT of Yahweh .

Maximus69:


He is Dr Live Logic (PhD) so he will teach you how Jesus manifested as God in three forms!

Am open to learning ... I have not yet ascended to my Father and your Father says Jesus . How could someone in the bossom of the Father claimed to have not yet ascended ?? I really wanna learn

Maximus69:


That's why i keep telling the Dr Live Logic to make a form of agreement with other Trinitarians before coming to teach others on the topic.

LMAO

solite3:

care to show how trinity is fraud?
many times you jwo always run away when provided with the truth,
Answer these questions
who is Jesus?, an angel or God?
who is the Holy Spirit, a force or a person?

provide biblical reference or forever remain silent.

The Trinity is very simple, one God in three persons.

I have proof for it in the bible,
I have proof that God the father is a different person from the Son and the Holy Ghost,
I have proof that Jesus is Almighty God
The Holy Spirit is a person and Almighty God and the father a person and Almighty God.
All you have is insults and bile to spew all over.

Dont go there, they will disgrace you.

Maximus69:


Another version of TRINITY my brother!

Just called 20 Trinitarians here to define their TRINITY God, the wait and hear logic from people like DrLiveLogic!

Before it was three separate persons all coequal and coeternal, later it was Father, Jesus and holy ghost one higher than the other, and now ladies and gentlemen the latest version of TRINITY from Pastor DrLiveLogic, it's one person manifesting in three different forms!

Very funny. Have missed sha

....

DrLiveLogic:

This doesn't convince me that you're not a mole. Anyone can fabricate that story up there since we can't prove it. The way you titled the OP betrays your intentions if you're actually sincere.
This is a better way for me to know.
Do you believe that Jesus is God, the Creator of heaven and earth? If not, what do you believe about Jesus?
I will tell you how to be spiritual but I will first give you a simple explanation of trinity as I said before after you answer the above.

Jesus is not Almighty God neither is he the Creator. Point of correction

onadana:



You won't know until you're there.Lost my wife last year and being battling depression ever since.Am much better now though.It gets so bad that I only think of one thing ending it and having peace.The only thing that kept me from taking my life was the thought of our only child together, my son.He would be devastated. Depression twist the mind from rationality.

Sorry Bro

Chiedu4Trump:


1st the Holy Spirit is NOT God's active force.

The Holy Spirit is a Person not a force.
Force is enegry & has no intellect
The Holy Spirit has intellect & Emotions

Matthew 12

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but[b] whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him[/b], neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

As we can see the Holy Spirit if offended by blasphemy will not forgive,
Jesus said He will forgive

So we can see that Jesus is separate from the Holy Spirit and both are God

Also the Father is God too

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

@ Highlighted ... Do you then accept Holy spirit is greater than Jesus ?

That 1John 5:7 is a Fake quote.

freshboi88:


Both are different but the same ....that is why when God was creating man he said Let us not let me.....

Read the bold again.

freshboi88:


I dnt follow what barrister said but what the bible said.

This is where you fail it.

I never said nothing was made through the father.

Have u forgotten that the father and son and holy spirit are 1.

If the father creates all, it also means that the son creates all, as well as the holy spirit.

That's y in genesis, in the creation God says, let us make man.

'Us'....us is plural not singular. If u continue to read. It goes further to say and he made man.

U see a shift from the plural to the singular.

Please and please , The Father is not the Son.

Both are different.


So if all things were made through the son, then nothing pass through the Father and the Bible lied.

freshboi88:


There's no part of scripture that supports this. In fact scripture refutes this lie from the pit of hell.

The book of John testifies that “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God, the same was in the beginning with God, ” and, “All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made” (John 1:1-3).


It says nothing was made without Jesus @ bolded.

You say something (i.e Jesus) was made without Jesus.

Who is lying, u or the bible?

If that is correct, it means Nothing was made through the Father and the bible lied when it says all things are made through the Father , you agree ??

Barristter07 in an earlier post distinguished between without and apart from. U still decided to remain deluded

Emusan:


Idiotic person always attacking a straw man argument.

Who made the next statement? If they are not false god or are you saying the statement "I have said" means they are TRUE GOD?

Which God is Jesus Christ if He's not our God that's the question?

This is why I asked : Was God making False gods ??

And your deluded mind didn't also know that the same ALL THINGS ARE THROUGH JESUS....

So Jesus Christ is the Creator and you're His creature that's why even the new birth is still through Christ.

Thank you. It didnt say all things are from him. He isn't the Creator .


You shot yourself again, All things are also through the Father , Why??

Idiot, the point is, did Jesus have Children?

The Bible says Yes! And that makes Him a Father!

That is why He was called Everlasting Father

Highly figurative . Show me a single instance where Jesus address anyone as " My son " ?

Heb 2:13 is not a proclamation that he is our Father . Do u know every human is a Son of the Father not Jesus ? No wonder he was given, they are NOT HIS OWN. This is why they remain his brothers .


We have Just ONE Father. Malachi 2:10

Were you not the one who was saying since Jesus doesn't have son or anyone called His son means He can't be our God....

So since Abraham has son that should make him OUR GOD...

I said show me where Jesus is ever called OUR GOD ?? Till today you are still perambulating on one spot. Shame should catch you na

This is where you've short yourself in the legs and this also proves that you're actually a manipulative just like your father the devil.

Devil was called a father because he owns those people who decided to join him likewise Christ is called a Father because ALL THOSE HE RESCUED ARE ALL BELONGS TO HIM, so ALL BELIEVERS ARE CHRIST SONS AND DAUGHTERS.

This is not figurative but the truth because
whoever belong to the Devil God can't be His father again.

Emusan , At this point ... I can only pity you in advance , Being the Creator makes everyone his sons either they worship him or joined the devil , They are all his sons. . Read it again and again, you just successfully proved Jesus is not the Creator again.

So Devil is not a real Father , just figurative . So also Jesus own is figurative , he owns nobody, hence the word " given " just as the Devil has sons. THEY ARE NOT HIS OWN


Are you still doubting ?


Act 17:28,29 - The pagans at Athens are called Children of who despite they are following the path of the Devil, and on what basis ? Creation!!!

" for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For WE also are His children.' "

Who are the WE? who move and exist ?

But you lied " whoever belong to the Devil God can't be His father again. " - Emusan

Keep the lies coming ., according to Act , are this pagans children of God ? Devil owns nothing , figurative just as Christ.

But the Father called people His friends.
How can a creator have friends? Ode

Besides, you haven't answered my question, does what the Father has belongs to Christ?

Define Friend and brothers and see the Gap ?

Read the verse from beginning and stop being silly...

Does Jesus and His brothers have the SAME FATHER ?

At least you know Christ is a Father but not just father but Everlasting Father but you just decided to call it FIGURATIVE....when every evident from the scripture pointed that we ALL BELONG to Christ.

Not only that, the scripture says WHATEVER THE FATHER HAS belongs to Jesus Christ.

And whatever Jesus have BELONG to the Father , do you read that too?

While Jesus needed to be given things, show me a single place Jesus gave the Father anything . think before u speak. Even the Kingdom he will reign over, he will return to his Father at some point. Like I said think before u speak.

Just see the way you're speaking from both side of your idiotic mouth....You're claiming He doesn't have sons in one breath in another breath you're claiming "the worst is he was given SONS"

So you know very well that Christ has sons but still allowing your deluded mind to be deceiving you.



But you just said it above now that "He was given SONS"

I know you're not Christ Children that's why you're not belong to Him.



For you even to say FIGURATIVE means you know what the scripture says but just decided to give it your own meaning!

But you can be a friend to your Creator...



But you said he was given SONS....

So what you're given didn't belong to you anymore.


If someone gave you a car, it means the car still belong to that person and not yours bah?

Keep rejecting your saviour!

Ownership isn't transferred, Jesus is not Father to anyone, the text keep reminding you they are his Brothers, to reset your thinking.

The bible refer to everyone created as Sons of the Father !!!!

Malachi 2:10 Do we not all HAVE ONE FATHER ?

Emusan do u have two Father's ?

Emusan:


The next verse "But Ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes"

So it's evident here that this are all false god!

What God is Jesus if He wasn't OUR God?

Who made the False Gods ? Focus on " I have said "

Jesus is the Creator of Heavens and the earth

But who performed the action, if Agent isn't creator?

One God, the Father , from whom all things are . u can rest please

This is why Nobody is Jesus sons.

Jesus has Children Heb 2:13 Just like I said before, you're not one of His children so you might not regard Him as your father.

Jesus himself said I have ONE FATHER not two . You need to be schooled

Hebrew 2:13 doesnt support your claim , The Creator need nobody to give him children.

Idiotic person, were you not the one who was saying since Jesus doesn't have son or anyone called His son means He can't be our God....

So since Abraham has son that should make him OUR GOD...

What your head didnt tell you was not even Abraham sons are his, children are a gift from who according to your Bible ?

So how can someone who doesn't have a son be called FATHER not to talk of EVERLASTING Father?

Devil was called FATHER , does that means he own or created those he called Father or figurative ?

Use sense na

I'm still laughing at your delusion of how Everlasting FATHER suddenly became paying for man's sin.

This is what your deluded organization said "Why is Jesus properly called “Eternal Father”?

Jesus was also to be an “Eternal Father.”How would that be? Well, Adam was the first father of the human race. However, he lost the opportunity to be an “eternal father” when he sinned. He could no longer give his children everlasting life as an inheritance. Jesus, on the other hand, did not sin. And by sacrificing his sinless life for mankind, he opened the way to everlasting life for those who exercised faith. ( John 3:16; 1 John 2:2 ) He thus will give them the everlasting life that Adam failed to give them. Hence, the Bible calls him “the last Adam,” “a life-giving spirit.” ( 1 Corinthians 15:45 ) He is properly called the “Eternal Father” of the future perfect human race.


https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1983725



Idiot answer my question and stop being silly using question to ask question...


Did anything belong to the Father belong to Christ?

Does the Father call anyone his brothers ?

We all know who is working for the devil here...

I've shown you different verses.

I can also see how you boycotted my question "Where was Jesus called Angel Micheal in the scripture?"

He became brother by sharing in the Human Nature of the very Adam.

Nope, Hebrew 2 vs 11 says he called them brothers because they all have the same Father. Are you saying Jesus didnt have a Father before coming to earth ?

He remains our EVERLASTING FATHER in place of Adam.

So how many Father do you have?

Just one.

His Fatherhood is figurative. He has no sons, the worse is he was given sons , that means HE IS NOT THE OWNER . further proof he is not our God

All those who He rescued from the pan of sin caused by the first father-Adam so Jesus is the second Adam....which make Him OUR FATHER.

He isn't our Father ... Neither are we his children, we are BROTHERS.

No wonder you're not one of His Children because all those Jesus rescued from the sun of Adam we're All His sons and daughters.

because He's now the Second Adam

Figurative , are we not his brothers ?

You can't be brother to your Father.

Heb 2:13 and also Jesus is the second Adam that's why we must be BORN AGAIN through Christ.

Since you're not born again how will you even recognize Him as your Father?

And that's actually what the devil your father wants.

Nobody is called Jesus sons. To make it worse you even gave a verse that said he was GIVEN chidren , showing he didnt Own them , cos they are STill his BROTHERS .

Emusan:


The verse you reference was about human rulers who are making wrong Judgement on behalf of God. So they are false God that's even why the next verse Called on the TRUE GOD to execute His true judgement on the source CALLED gods.

God will execute His judgement on the source called gods, will Jesus part of them?

Can you see how your lack of scriptural understanding is leading you into more trouble?

Good story telling skills ,

Here is the verse Mr scriptural understanding

" I -- I have said, 'Gods ye are, And sons of the Most High -- all of you, "

Look at the bold, I HAVE SAID ... Was God making False God ??

What God is Jesus if He's not OUR God?

What God are those humans whom God made God ?

But you're Jesus sheep
Jesus is our Creator! John 1:3

Jesus is not the Creator , Nobody is his sons !!! Agent is not creator

What of Abraham who we were called his son, does that make him God?

Does that make him OUR GOD ?

What is the significant of being EVERLASTING FATHER?

He will be called Everlasting Father because God sent him to pay for mans sin ( John 3:16)

Did what the Father has belongs to the Son?

Jesus himself Belong to who ?

These are the questions you'll continue to dodge because you know they prove you to be a liar like your father the devil.

If Devil is not using you, Show me where Jesus is called OUR GOD ?

So now it's "he BECAME" not that He was initially our BROTHER, you can see your hypocritical lying mouth being exposed. Isn't that what I said earlier that He wasn't our brother not until He became human?

Use your glasses, I wrote " according to you "

So how could he be Father and brother at the same time ? point of correction he has always been our brother.


New Living Translation
" So now Jesus and the ones he makes holy have the same Father. That is why Jesus is not ashamed to call them his brothers and sisters. "

Reset your thinking

Just imagine "EVERLASTING FATHER suddenly translated to He came to give everlasting life"



because He's your Everlasting Father

I have not seen where someone will be called a father without having a child.

Who are Jesus sons ??

Idiot....was that only attribute that was applied to Jesus throughout the Bible?

Jesus is our EVERLASTING FATHER, I know you're not His son that's why He will discard you on that day.

Just like I said, I will post your demonic organization comment about Isa 9:6 and what they express about the team "Everlasting Father"

Jesus is our brother NOt Father ... That alone is exposing you for the lair u are

Show me where anyone is called Jesus son ?? You are the real demonic person

KNOWMORE56:



The Bible says He created all things by Himself and for Himself.

Did your boss workers took possession of the things?

Another thing I want you to know is


the reason for the translation of the Bible from Hebrew/Aramaic to English, it's to help readers in English understand what it's saying.

In Isaiah 9:6, and John 20:28 NWT agreed that the Son is the true God .

When human/angel is referred to as god, it always carries small letter g.

In religious matters, anywhere you see the big letter G, it's talking about the True God. This is a kind of law in English writing.

As it is now, the NWT have knowingly or unknowingly agreed that the Son is the true God.

This happened because the truth (which is Jesus) won't be hidden, no matter how much you try!

Very dumb logic, Do u know angels are reffered to as God in capital letters ?

Mumu , U don arrive after your vacation ... Have you now gotten the verse where Jesus is called our God now ? Still No ?

Emusan:


Olodo....so you don't even understand that verse where the Bible says "Ye are gods" but open your dirty mouth to spew nonsense.

Was God making False Gods when he called us Gods ? Mumu

If Jesus is a false god then Jehovah has being with a false god from beginning.... I know you just said that nonsense for argument sake not that you really believe Jesus is a false god.

Silly man.
Just as you didnt believe humans are false Gods, do you actually agree God was making false Gods ?

John 1:1
Heb 1:6

Where is " OUR GOD " in those verses ??

Ode....if whatever the Father has belongs to the Son, isn't that make you Jesus son?

Where am I called Jesus son ? Are you okay at all ?

Besides, Jesus created you and gave you life so, you're His son.

Nobody is ever called Jesus son. Take it today! Jesus is not the creator. That is why you will never see anyone addressed as his son

What is the significance of being EVERLASTING FATHER is the question you haven't answered since?

He came to give everlasting life , the same reason he became our brother according to you .

Since we're sons of Abraham then Abraham is Jehovah God....oponu

At least show me where anyone is called Jesus son ?

Go back and read the book of Hebrew again so that you'll know the reason He called us His brothers and sisters.

U already stated a reason. So coming to save man make him our brother NOT Father ??

" He called humans His brothers and sisters because He came to save them" - Emusan

It seems your head has issues when u are trying to use Isaiah 9:6, cos it clearly said shall/will be called . now its Brothers

Emusan:


Human and Angels are all false god.

So which God is Jesus if he isn't OUR GOD?

So God was making False Gods when he called us Gods ?
Jesus is a false god too if humans and Angel's are false god.

I still demand where Jesus is called OUR GOD ??

But at that moment the elder brother acted as a Father, aren't his Junior ones his sons?

Ode....of what use to act as Father when you don't have son?

Quote where Jesus called anyone MY SON ??

Mumu

On the issue of Jesus as Everlasting Father I'll post screenshots later from what your deluded organization teaches to know that you're just going against your own organization as usual.

Quote anywhere Jesus called anyone My son ?

He called humans His brothers and sisters because He came to save them ... oponu read it again to understand what the writer is pointing at.

His brothers not his sons ? U no well

Perfectbeing:
Answer the question. What does the title "Everlasting father' signifies?

I dont know . Care to tell me ?

KNOWMORE56:



His sons are all whose sins are forgiven because of Him that was slain from the foundation of the world .

He said they are his brothers

" And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’. " Matthew 25:42

Matthew 9:2 " man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; SON, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee


Note! Jesus called the man , whose sins were forgiven, son.

Son of who ?

Are you one of His sons?

*. Revelation 13:8 "KJV:And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION of THE WORLD.

*. Revelation 5:12 "KJV:Saying with a loud voice, WORTHY is THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Did u just say " His son" ?
Jesus never called anyone MY SON. He can't, he knows he isn't the Father. He is our Brother.

Emusan:


Can the Title of EVERLASTING FATHER be compared with the title PRINCE OF PEACE?

How can someone have Title that the person doesn't represent?

Have explained in my earlier post.

If he actually is a Father, with Scriptures show me who are his sons ?

If u can't, it means you dont have sense

Emusan:


Answer my question idiot.

Which God is Jesus if He isn't our God?

Brain dead question

Which God are humans and angels ?

Your mumuness still can't find a verse to support Jesus as Our God.

Satan really blinded you

So what is the essence of having a Title If you're not one?

Not even just father but EVERLASTING FATHER....

Your brain is dead.

An Elder brother can Act as a Father for his juniors at a PTA meeting , doesnt mean He is their Father.

Who are Jesus sons ?

Yet you and the very AGENT of creation are Brothers....

That's how you'll know you lack scriptural understanding.

Mumu , Read that verse again. Jesus call humans his brothers . Jesus is our brother . Nobody is his son.

Perfectbeing:
Since you claim " Everlasting Father" is just a title, what does the title signifies?

Since I claim or the Fact speaks Its a title ? This was why I asked u to tell me any son of Jesus u know , to prove its not just a title.

Riele , I actually get your point ... U are not really supporting cheating BUT using sarcasm to expose the Double standards exhibited by MEn concerning Davidos issue.

When a man cheat , they say its normal... Forgetting the psychological and emotional effects it has on a female.

But when a woman cheat, they begin to condemn cheating.

Its really worse .

But then I think you also need to talk with the female folks, They keep enduring cheating men , something Guys don't do ... So far women keep accepting all this nonsense just to stay in a relationship , it will continue. Its women that have lowered their standard.

Perfectbeing:
I was about the quote Isaiah 9:6 then I saw where you said "Everlasting Father" is just a title... Lol. So what other attribute of Jesus is "just" a title??

If its not just a title, Who are his sons ?

Emusan:


So which God is Jesus if He isn't our God?

Do u admit he is not OUR GOD ? And no scripture say so ?

Jesus is your everlasting Father, true or false?

Its just a title . the prove is NOBODY is ever called Jesus son.

Let your brain be working

You're a brother to the very person who created you...you lack wisdom!

Olodo buruku.

Sorry man. I know this is bigger than you


Hebrews 2:11 " So now Jesus and the ones he makes holy have the same Father. That is why Jesus is not ashamed to call them his brothers and sisters. " NLT

Jesus is our brother , He is not the Creator just an agent. Nobody is ever called his son

KNOWMORE56:



FATHER/SON IS GOD:

*. Isaiah 46:9 "KJV:Remember the former things of old: for I AM GOD, and there is none else; I AM GOD, and there is none like me, (i.e the Father)

* Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of THE GREAT GOD and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST;" (i.e the Son)

* Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:... and his name shall be called the Mighty God..."(i.e the Son)

I am going to My Father and Your Father, to My God , and Your God

Do you agree with Jesus that the Father is OUR GOD ?

Perfectbeing:
The relationship he shares with me is way past brotherhood

He is not our Father , and we are not his sons ... He is called our Brother because he was created just as us. We all came from one Father. Good u didnt deny he is our brother

Perfectbeing:
Jesus is my Lord and my God.

But you admit Jesus is our brother ??

Perfectbeing:
The word "proskuneo" means "to kiss the hand, bow down before, show obeisance, to worship." Since the Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus is God, they maintain that He is not to be worshipped. So, how does the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society translate the word "proskuneo" in their Greek New Testament in reference to Jesus and other objects of adoration? The NWT never translates the word into "worship" when it references Jesus. However, it render the word as "worship" regarding the devil, the dragon, the beast, the image, demons, idols, and an angel. Of course, they correctly translate it as "worship" when it deals with God.
Is the New World Translation biased against worshipping Jesus? It would surely seem so and especially since the NASB, NIV, KJV, NKJV, etc., all translate the word as "worship" in reference to Jesus.
What is curious is to note that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society used to teach that worshipping Jesus was acceptable:

"The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Yes we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so. While he was not the God, Jehovah, he was a God. The word ‘God’ signifies a ‘mighty one,’ and our Lord was indeed a mighty one. So it is stated in the first two verses of the gospel of John. It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father. . ." (The Watchtower, July 15, 1898, p. 216.)


It seems that as the Watchtower theology changed, they needed a Bible consistent with those changes, hence, the New World Translation.

The word "proskuneo" occurs 55 times in the Watchtower Kingdom Interlinear. Of those 55, 15 are in reference to Jesus with 40 used of others, 27% of the usage is of Jesus, and not a single reference is translated as "worship" even though in reference to the devil, demons, idols, etc., they do translate it as worship. If this doesn't demonstrate their bias, then what does?

Whenever it is in reference to Jesus, they absolutely will not let it be translated as worship. Why? Because they erringly deny that Jesus is God in flesh and their Bible reflects their bias. This is not how proper theology is done.
The Watchtower Organization has changed the Bible to suit its needs.

Do you know Jesus is our Brother ?

AFULA:
its difficult to get a good husband thiz days... Anyone that come your way u've got to embrace him with an open arm...

How u take know im Na good husband? Abi some wey dey rape and beat their wife sef no propose?