Maximus69:

He is the Almighty nah, but he will not change his program after telling his loyal servants what they must do to stay safe within the circumference of his arrangements! Revelations 22:18-19



He is not a bully so he also subject himself to his own rules, that's why he had to sacrifice his only begotten son in other to redeem mankind {John 3:16} otherwise Jesus didn't need to come and die in the first place!
As the Almighty, God would have just forgiven the obedient ones amongst mankind without the stress of going through all his own laws that says "life for life" {Exodus 21:23} or perfect being (Jesus) to pay for the sin committed by perfect being (Adam) 1Corinthians 15:45 compare to Psalms 49:7-9

100%

rottennaija:


So God doesn't have the ability? He is govern by natural laws or the law if physics?

God can't lie ... Does that mean he doesn't have the ability ? Or there are principles guiding his actions ?

There are principles that guide his Actions. I earlier gave you. Like the heavenly one, so are those in heaven ... Someone just need to tell me if those in heaven , God and His angels are transformed from dust ? Is that too hard for you to answer ?

johnw47post=92111095:





false jw tormentedhate

you have repeted your same confusion once again which i have explained to you very well before
but of course you satans mob have no understanding of truth

read my posts again fool and learn

very duh false jw, 1cor 15:44 is about man
he is made a natural body, he dies and his body corrupts
he is raised a spiritual body
the reason Jesus natural body did not see corruption is because it was to be resurrected


and of course you don't believe God's word-Jesus words:

Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

the first thing Jesus asked for after resurrection was for food
He hadn't eaten in over three days, of course a Spirit would not have need of food,

Don't mock yourself, What passed through the stomach must be excreted, Do you agree ?

If Jesus ate and he is human according to you ... Do you agree Jesus excreted that food in heaven after his resurrection ?


U just fail to remember Angels also eat food when they visit Abraham in borrowed human body. When will you have sense ??

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Jesus(the Word) said he would raise up His destroyed body not a spirit one



Luk 24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.

Joh_20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Jesus Himself said that He was not a Spirit , He showed thomas the holes in His hands and feet and told him to feel the hole in the side of His body that was crucified

Act_2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act_2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Jesus soul-His body was not left in hell-the tomb, and it did not see corruption,
this is speaking of the resurrection of Christ, His soul-His body was not left in hell-the tomb, it was resurrected without corruption


peacefullove aka tormented hate

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Mat_7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Just as an angel said he was a man. But we know better .

1Corinthinas 15:44-46 already expose you ... It was sown a physical body, raise a what ?? Physical body ?

Spiritual body isn't flesh/physical


Johnnw74 , grow up

rottennaija:


Can God not transform the physical body into a spiritual one? Does he not have the ability?

When you transform raw materials into finish products, it simply means you used the raw materials as BASIS or COMPOSITION of the finished product.


Are you saying God and the angels are made from dust composition?


Answer that cos the scripture says Like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. We need to know if those in heaven were transformed from dust materials.

johnw47:



God - Father and the Word come Jesus Christ, made all things:
gen 1:1 gen 1:26 john 1:3 heb 1:2

God - Father and the Word, raised Jesus dead body:

Act 13:30  But God raised him from the dead: 
Act 13:31  And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people. 
Act 13:32  And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 
Act 13:33  God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again

God raised up Jesus again, God didn't raise another and put Jesus spirit in Him, laughing

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.


lying pharisee false jw peacefullove, you say Jesus was raised in a borrowed body,
a borrowed body was raised instead of his own, laughing

and not only a borrowed body, but a borrowed body that had holes in the hands, and in the feet, and in the side

The body Jesus was raised with is invisible to human eyes. Spiritual body ... ( 1Corinthians 15:44-46 )


Get sense . the one he appeared in was borrowed like angels in the past did.


Use your sense: Why didn't Mary recognize his face if its same body ? I wish you can process that

johnw47:




hey big mouth peacefullove, "peacefullove", laugh that's a funny username for you,
a person who shouts out liar all over the place, you should be called the opposite: "tormentedhate"

i said the truth about Jesus being raised bearing the looks of his beatings
to which you accused and shouted out: "liar"

and then you come out with the lie concerning Jesus that: "at ressurection, people are not raised with Defects"
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well Jesus Himself showed the apostles the holes in His hands and feet
and told thomas to feel the hole in His side:

Luk 24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.

Joh_20:27  Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.



see how you false jw's cannot stop lying like hell and falsely accusing
you are known by your fruit-lying, and are off your father the devil, the father of lies:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

your final destination:

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Rev_12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

^^ you just like him, aren't you

That body was borrowed . The real resurrection body has no defects or dishonor. Ignorant man.

Ken4Christ:


This is exactly what God will do. He will transform our physical body into an immortal spiritual body. If God could transform dust to our physical body today, he can also transform our physical body to an imperishable spiritual body. This is what Apostle Paul wrote in the verses I quoted. Your problem is that you try to figure things out with your carnal mind. The things of God doesn't make sense to the carnal mind. You receive it with your spirit. And this is only possible when you are born again.

Listen to yourself. U said God can transform dust to physical body . does that not make the physical body composed of dust ??


A spiritual body isn't composed of DUST! ... To say its transformed its to say the spiritual body is made up of Dust.


A spiritual body isn't a physical/human body. Its the body of angels and God himself.

Define Spiritual body first ? Is it flesh ? U mean God has a body composed of Dust ?


This is getting interesting.

johnw47:


of course you a false jw don't believe God's word but prefer your own made up story




Luk 24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.

Jesus was ressurected in His flesh body, He wasn't at first recognised
because His head and body was so badly beaten by the roman soldiers

He showed them the holes in His hands and feet to assure them.

Jesus had lost so much blood, and it was three days since his body had nourishment
and so He asked for food. Luk 24:41

Jesus isn't a deceiver, it is His body that was resurrected, just as He said




also:

Joh 2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Jesus said He would raise His destroyed temple-His destroyed flesh body
and that is what He done, He didn't raise some other body, but His own destroyed body
with holes in His hands His feet and His side

as Jesus dead body lay in the tomb, on the third day Jesus Spirit-the Word of God
raised His destroyed flesh body



Luk 24:41  And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 
Luk 24:42  And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 


God raised Jesus destroyed body, it was God the Word-Jesus Himself in the Spirit, that raised His destroyed body, just as he said He would

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

You are a liar . at ressurection, people are not raised with Defects .

1 Corinthians 15:45

" It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. "

So according to pastor johnw74 of Lying evangelical ministries, Jesus was raise in dishonor of badly bruised head ??


Jesus body that was seen by his disciples is not the same one he died In. Thats why most of them didnt recognize him .what they say is a borrowed body like angels do in the past. Wake up from slumber.

He was raised a Spirit body not human body .

johnw47:


so duh, God's word does not say Jesus body had no blood
he did lose much blood from the spear in the side
which is why he said to the apostles, have you some food to eat

A materialized body need no blood to consume food. It was borrowed, didn't the angels that Visited Abraham ate ?? This us why even Mary Magdalene didnt recognize him . his face and body wasn't the one they always know.

johnw47:


oh duh that's confused, just believe God's word, which i know is impossible
with you satan's mob

Jesus rose in His flesh body:

Luk 24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.

A fleshly body without Blood is not Jesus real body. Its a body materialized like angels.


A fleshly body MUST have blood.

johnw47:




who is the liar but you false jw's

Jesus rose from the dead in His flesh body:

Luk 24:36  As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” 
Luk 24:37  But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. 
Luk 24:38  And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 
Luk 24:39  See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 
Luk 24:40  And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.



Jesus changed from flesh to Spirit just before He ascended up to the clouds

just as those in Christ will be changed from flesh to Spirit just before they ascended
to meet Christ in the clouds at His second coming:

Act 1:9  And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

1Co 15:50  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 
1Co 15:51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 
1Co 15:52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 
1Co 15:53  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1Th 4:14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 
1Th 4:15  For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 
1Th 4:16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 
1Th 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 

The same thing angels do @highlighted , what do you call the human body angels have before they change ?

Ken4Christ:


Philippians 3:20-21(NET)
20 But our citizenship is in heaven – and we also await a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,

21 who will transform these humble bodies of ours into the likeness of his glorious body by means of that power by which he is able to subject all things to himself.

Verse 21 says our bodies will be transformed when Jesus comes to be like the glorious body of Jesus. It means that Jesus body was also transformed. So we too are waiting for the transformation of our bodies.

Ken this is the exact reason I said I finally hit you. You assumed the glorious body is a physical body , right ? Is it only fleshly body that exist ?

Jesus physical body wasn't transformed , he was given a Spiritual body.

Ressurection


1 Corinthians 15:45 " It is planted as a physical body. It comes back to life as a spiritual body. As there is a physical body, so there is also a spiritual body. "

You assumed the body was a physical one , the above shows you lied ... Paul said the ressurection body is a Spiritual one. A Spiritual body IS NOT PHYSICAL. Which killed your point.


What Jesus appeared with after his resurrection is a Materialized body , it was borrowed, , Just as Angels manifest in the past. His real ressurection body is not Human or physical , its Spiritual. .

Wolgrace:
Inviting trouble into his peaceful dome when there is none is the foolish thing to do against God. A tithe payer who is at peace with God is asking servant of God who he pays his tithe to is looking for God's trouble upon himself.

Pay your tithe peacefully and mind your business. You don't need to tell the world that you pay tithe to him neither does he need to tell us who he pays his tithe to..

God's instruction is bring your tithe to his storehouse known as church's treasury. God is the only one who knows the amount paid.

Know for sure that having thought of paying tithe to a man of God is a robbery mentality. It grieves God.

Keep shut there ... He asked a logical question.


Matthew 7:7 says ASK .


In the same Bible the Beroans were commended for making enquiries.

solite3:
how does Jesus descending with the archangel means Jesus is Angel micheal?
If the president comes with the voice of the chief of army does that mean the president is the chief of army?

besides you have not provided any verse that says Jesus is Michael? Michael does not even have the authority to rebuke Satan but Jesus rebuked Satan with his own authority. Does that not tell you that Jesus is not Angel Michael?



Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


Michael can only rebuke satan in the name of the Lord.

how does Jesus rebuke Satan,

Mark 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

micheal had to appeal to someone with a higher authority

If the president says its his voice that will always Assemble the troops. Then for him to come in the voice of the chief of army and the troop assembled , shows he is serving as the Chief of Army .


The issue here is the dead hear Micheals voice and rise ... The dead hear Jesus voice and also rise... Solve the riddle !!!

hoopernikao:


Why are you cunning with your response? When your argument are shrouded in deception, you will be striving for another motive different from that of God.

You said Justin Matry preached that Jesus is an Angel and quoted "Dialogue with Trypho". The sad part here is you went ahead to lift his statement out of context just as you do the scriptures. That is very bad.


See below extract from the conversation.

Firstly in the context you quoted, let me give you the full quote.

God began before all creatures a Beginning a certain Reasonable Power from Himself, who is called by the HolySpirit, now the Glory of the Lord, and the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, the GOD, and then Lord and Logos.

This statement occurred in the 3rd paragraph of their discussion. In this line he used the word an Angel, the God. Hope you observe the article "the" used. Not a god. THE GOD. The God means true God. You subtly removed this from your quote. Hope you see you arent honest here.


Secondly, he has first explain his usage of the word "an Angel", earlier in his 1st paragraph. And that is the meaning it carried all through his explanation See below. This is how he started his conversation.

There is, and that there is said to be, Another GOD and Lord subject to the Maker of all things who is also called an Angel, because He announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things, above whom there is no other God, wishes to announce to them.

Notice, he called Christ "Another God". He didnt say he is called so, he said he is Another God.


He said he is also called "an Angel" then he gave you a reason. He didnt say he is an angel, a being. His reason is clear: because He announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things

That is the same word for a messenger. The word messenger is the same word for angels. Hence as Jesus in the flesh was sent of the father, he called him a messenger (angel). This is consistent with the scriptures where those sent by God are referred as such.


The key context here is he called Christ, GOD, ANOTHER GOD. He didnt give a clause or reasons. He then said he is to announce what God wishes, that is where the work of the messenger is. And that is the one in the flesh.

Now, go and read his last paragraph and dont be in a rush.

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In the last paragraph, Trypho asked him a question, see below and his answer.

Trypho Asked: You endeavor to prove an incredible and well-nigh impossible thing, that God endured to be born and become man....


READ HIS RESPONSE VERY VERY WELL.

Justin Replied: Do you think that any other one is said to be worthy of worship and called Lord and God in the Scriptures, except the Maker of all, and Christ, who by so many Scriptures was proved to you to have become man?

Observe his words: Jesus is worthy to be worshiped, called God and Christ.

He repeatedly affirmed that Christ is to be worshiped and called him God, he came to earth as Son. Those were his submission.

You must learn to be honest and open in discussion. Dont be slippery and shrouded, you dont need that.

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So, i ask again,

Give me a single 1st/2nd century writer that preached that Christ is "an Angel". We have over five 1st/2nd century preachers who preached Christ as GOD, well detailed. These are people the oracle of Christ were directly handled to. Some were taught by the Apostles. So, show me one person.

@ highlighted, Go and sleep . proved

hoopernikao:


See what i wrote below then compare to your response above:




So, where is the brother story. Stop diverting discussion.

What is everlasting Father, is Father a brother?, and you said its just a title? You cant be serious with that. You think bible is a book of chieftaincy title?

Hebrew 2:11 should have helped you , I didnt form it that he is our brother , e get why.

" So now Jesus and the ones he makes holy have the same Father. That is why Jesus is not ashamed to call them his brothers and sisters . " NLT

He is our brother cos he was created just as we .

The child is called MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, What does that mean. Stop rotating. Explain the bible.

It says the child shall be called ...

Which means he wasn't a Mighty God before coming to earth ?

It also says shall be called ( future tense) , which means he wasn't our Father in creation.

In fact show me Jesus children ? Did Jesus ever called anyone " My son " ?

Its all titles!!!

hoopernikao:


Bro, you no read your bible well o.

Paul isnt drawing explanation from the moon, i hope you know.

What Paul called his revelation are the explanation of the mysteries that is the Old testaments o. Paul's revelation are illumination and clarify of what OT teaches and what God is saying all through those period.

When you see Paul's writing, always ask yourself, where in the OT can i relate this. There is a mystery that is why you can have revelation. Revelation simply means to uncover a mystery. Mystery means what needs to be explained.

Let me help you.

There are at least 3 scriptures that have a synonymous to 1 Thess 4:16 (the voice):

There are 3 key things in that verse: the shout/command, the voice and the trumpet.
Jesus likewise taught about the second coming, read it o and compare scriptures.

Go and study please. And stop taking a single verse to mean what it doesnt mean or what doesnt have corroboration in the bible. Read Paul with open eyes please, i needed to get you.

1The 4:16
The voice is the voice of who ? And what will happen when that voice cries , Will the dead be raised ? Solve this dillema !!!! Whose voice will raise the dead!

hoopernikao:


Listen to yourself and correct yourself. When you here FATHER, or SON, dont you think that refers to the perspective of humans? It is a revelation in humanity. God cant be pregnant to have a Son. When we say Father, is related to the Word became flesh.

John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

We have the Son, in flesh, humanity. Hence, the expression Father. In divinity what you have is God. Understand bible language. When you cant differentiate Christ humanity from his divinity, you will obviously find yourself in this error of interpretation you are. That is what the guy has been telling you since.

In Humanity you have: Father, Son, Holy-Ghost. Those are ways humans can comprehend the work of salvation.
In Divinity, what you will have is God.

I think you are the one in error. God can't be pregnant to have a son. Calling anyone his son SIMPLY means He created the person. Simple as ABC

Angels are called sons of God , why ?? Cos God pregnant a woman to gave birth to them ?

Adam was called Son of God , why ?


Start thinking

Ken4Christ:


The body was transformed by God. His blood was shed for the world. The new body is not sustained by blood. And all who believe in Jesus will also have their bodies changed like unto his glorious body when Jesus comes to take us to our heavenly abode.

I finally hit you.

You lied .. Show me where its written that his body was transformed ?

DrLiveLogic:
Meanwhile, let's do a quick one on whether Jesus is angel Michael cause I see that's what they're tryna pull off.
I'm just taking down JW bullets one by one until they're totally empty. Want them to bring it all out here to their undoing.

Joh 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made

So we know from above the history of Jesus from before creation, we see that He was with God and created all things in one Being with God (I'm coming to this creation part when I clear my table, lols.)
Do we find in any part of his history that he was made an angel. No.
He had never manifested anywhere at all but remained hidden in God's bosom. When you go down this history and get to verse 14, we find what happened next.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Does anyone see anything about the Word being an angel in his history here before he became flesh because I don't. All I see is He was with and in God and from the bosom of the Father, he came out as flesh through a virgin. He never manifested before then and surely he never manifested as an angel.
But we know Michael has always commanded the warring faction of angels and had always been visibly active.
And what does Paul say about if he manifested as an angel?

Heb 2:14 Because without doubt he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Yep. Paul didn't mince words about it, he never took the nature of angels but only the seed of Abraham. Just as John said, from being with God in the bosom of the Father straight to taking on flesh or becoming flesh. Why that? Because God wanted to put the world in subjection to man and not angels. That's why he never manifested as an angel but only as a man.

Heb 2:5-7 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:


Do you JWs even read their bible. The whole of Hebrews 1&2 was written to show that Jesus is not an angel but greater, the only-begotten from the Father's bosom for that matter. Only means only, duh!

How then can Jesus be angel Michael who has and will always be an angel and who was never called by that name when we know the Word only took on flesh of men and never angels.


Any JW that wants to quote me must first have the balls to answer my 3 questions. LMAO.
I see you JWs aren't tired of your shallow tricks of quoting verses of after Jesus became a Son and using those to separate him from Father. As if there was such distinction before he became flesh. Your barrels are so empty now, you're recycling used bullets that can't hit. LMAO.

I know this ain't WW2 but I'm gonna come soon with my heavy atomic bomb "little boy" for JW right after you're all out of bullets. LMAO
I see many of them already tryna find a cool way to run out tha thread. Live to fight another day fake soldiers. LMAO.




johnw47, achorladey, Rozz, Maximus69, TATIME, Janosky, Peacefullove, haywizzy007, solite3, KNOWMORE56, hoopernikao, DappaD, Muttleylaff

If Jesus is not Michael, whose voice will raise the dead ??

solite3:
Bro Jesus has always being the Son of God even before the world began.
don't let Jehovah false witness make you believe that Jesus being the son is less than the father.
The Son of a lion is a lion, The Son of man is man, the Son of God is God.
Father Son relationship that between Jesus and his Father existed even before the world began.

Anything Son of God has a beginning... Ask Adam and the angels. Father precedes the son

Peacefullove:



Loser, show me where Jesus is called Almighty !!!


Secondly , Jesus is created thats why he is a Son of God.


I challenge you to show me where the Father Is called Son of God.

I still dont understand why DrLiveLogic is running from this.

Ken4Christ:
You don't understand the things of God by reasonings. They are understood by your spirit. Besides, the Jehovah witness organization are not Christians. They are anti Christ. You have to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus to be a Christian. They don't believe Jesus rose from the dead bodily. So, what is the essence of their faith if Jesus did not rise from the dead bodily? Then, what happened to the body of Jesus? This is the biggest lie ever told in history. Don't ever listen to them. They are anti Christ disguised as ministers of light.

Ken4Christ. Stop posting like a programmed robot. What authority do you have to question the JW'S on the Body of Jesus when Y'all believe the body that Jesus rise with DOESNT have Blood ?? The one he died with Whereas has Blood ?? So I need to ask : What happen to that former body ?

John 2:19 destroy this temple, and I will raise it up. He was talking about the temple of his body.


How come the temple is now different ??

As usual , You will run ... But I will advise you to stop behaving like a Typical programmed robot.

solite3:
Is that the verse that said Jesus is Angel Michael?

Jesus will descend with an arch angel voice AND THE DEAD WILL RISE . begs the question, whose voice will raise the dead ??

DrLiveLogic:

Good girl. I'm happy you're a science core and I wouldn't mind knowing what part of science you specialize in.
Now then, just follow me on cruise mode and our jet will land safely. LMAO

You have passed the first test, I assume, understanding the three states of water.

Now just go through my 3 statements below. Don't answer the questions yet o. No need for that now.
First, I just want to know if you understand everything I said there very well or if there is any part of the below you don't really get? Ask anything you don't understand there, don't bring up other things yet o, just focus on the below and ask me to clarify where you don't understand my statements.






#1 NUMBER OF GOD
It is obvious that in order, God is the only Being who can be "First and Last/Beginning and Ending/Alpha and Omega" at the same time because he existed before every created thing and is the only One who will remain when he decides to end all existence.
The Simultaneous "First and Last" is a number only the Uncreated can have.

Isa 44:6 Thus saith YAHWEH, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

We see here that YAHWEH, the God of Israel is "First and Last" and is the only true God. Follow me now.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come, the Almighty

We see that God calls himself by this number, "First and Last" and also the "Who is, was and is to come". He further calls himself, the Almighty/Omnipotent (El-Shaddai), an OT title of YAHWEH. Angels are mighty, even Michael is very mighty but only YAHWEH is Almighty/Omnipotent. Now watch!

Rev 11:17-18 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Who is and was and is to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned

We see here that it is the same YAHWEH Almighty who sits on the throne worshipped by the same title "Who is, was and is to come". So, comparing the OT text and also the two verses in the Apocalypse, It is clear that YAHWEH Almighty's number is "First and Last"

Now let us find out who is this YAHWEH Almighty, The First and Last, Who is, was and is to come?
In the beginning of the apocalypse, John meets with Jesus Christ, who introduces himself as

Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last...
Rev 1:17-18 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

We see that this is Jesus Christ who was dead and resurrected. By his number here, "First and Last/Alpha and Omega/Beginning and Ending", we see that this same YAHWEH Almighty of OT and Jesus Christ of NT are one Being.






***These are two of my three questions.

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) Jesus will judge the living and the dead and the same one is seated on the throne of God and the Lamb, as one Being with God receiving the worship of the elders.
Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.?


3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb.

Loser, show me where Jesus is called Almighty !!!


Secondly , Jesus is created thats why he is a Son of God.


I challenge you to show me where the Father Is called Son of God.

hoopernikao:


You guys have a way of trying to muddle things up. You will need to calm down as i need to take you step by step.

1. I asked you for the early church who preached Jesus as Angel, you mentioned Justin Matry without a single quote from his work? Justin Matry works arent hiding, go and do your search yourself and read all his texts and submissions. I am not sure you are patient enough to read that is why you are quoting wikipedia. In such serious discussion as this?

My friend, you should go and read Justin Matry well. He spoken expressly on the Father, Son and HolyGhost.

His writing are in absolute submission to Christ as incarnate of the God. Different personality. Go and read before you start quoting him please.

Ignorance 102 I expected you to say Wikipedia lied. Good u didn't

" Now assuredly, Trypho, I shall show that, in the vision of Moses, this same One alone who is called an Angel, and who is God , appeared to and communed with Moses. " Justin Matry, Dialogue with Trypho.

When i see your seriousness we will visit 1 Thess 4:16 well and have a full discussion. I am yet to see that.

I just want to know the voice that will raise the dead.

hoopernikao:


@Peacefullove

Ensure all you are saying doesnt contradict this yous aid above some weeks back.

You can see your explanation of Everlasting Father and also Mighty God. You seems not to be consistent again.

God is called gibbowr, only God is referred to as everlasting personality. Hence the one who has the power to give eternity. Everlasting Father, Father means father not brother o. Just make sure you arent mixing things up.

Jesus is our brother, Do u agree?

When you answer that, it should be open to you the Everlasting Father is just a title.

solite3:
Jehovah witness confusion,

they always diverse from issues to straws.

can any Jehovah witness point out a verse that says Jesus is Angel michael?
at least Trinitarians can show you verses that show that Jesus is God.
Johnn1vv1
Janosky, peacefullove, Maximus, Dappa, Rozz etc oya show a verse that says that Jesus is Angel Michael.

Whose voice will raise the dead?

DrLiveLogic:


Do you realize you're making a fool of yourself before everyone. Is it blindness or inability to comprehend things? Can you read no 2 slowly now..







Did you not read this before, oga stop going in circles.



Listen, chap! If you know you don't have the answers to my three questions, let's wait for your friends to come help you. Don't waste people's time with rigmaroles.
My 3 questions are simply meat for you all to chew so I can test the strength of your teeth and so far you're all tripping over yourselves. I am still coming with other questions that are like bones when you finally can chew the meat. LMAO.



Hello. If you wanted God to guide us all, why open a thread? And if you said you want to just learn, why are you yet to answer my question on the three states of water? Did you not see it?




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Loser ... Quote me properly

Show me where Jesus is called Almighty

Do you agree an uncreated being cannot be a Son of anyone ?

DrLiveLogic:

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Hahahaha! Another learner shows up. He says nowhere was Jesus called Almighty. Did I not tell you all to answer my simple questions so you can learn. Now answer no 2 and go back and learn.


****I'm going to continue presenting these questions all together until any of you can attack them all together. I'm not here for rigmaroles. If you can't attack them all together, then Jesus is one Being with YAHWEH

1.) Even if creatures share any titles with God. Can any creature have the number First (before existence) and Last (after all existence is dissolved) at the same time? Please tell us which.




Again, watch!
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) Jesus will judge the living and the dead and the same one is seated on the throne of God and the Lamb, as one Being with God receiving the worship of the elders.
Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.?


3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb.

****If you need help with the answers, refer to my thesis and attack it

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Noise maker
Produce where Jesus is called Almighty, is that hard ?

See this learner, LMAO.
You and Maximus69, have you not heard that Jesus left his Godhead privileges and came out from the bosom of the Father where He had been hidden as one with Him since before existence, to become a son of Man like Adam.
You people should stop mixing up what he did in created existence with what He was before existence.
Only one Being, an Uncreated, can have the number First (before existence) and Last(After existence is dissolved)

Bwahahaha! People, he just said Jesus "First and Last" is different from the Father's "First and Last". LMAO.


Learner go and read my thesis #1 below and all the others to #4 so you can learn that Jesus and YAHWEH are one Being.




#1 NUMBER OF GOD
It is obvious that in order, God is the only Being who can be "First and Last/Beginning and Ending/Alpha and Omega" at the same time because he existed before every created thing and is the only One who will remain when he decides to end all existence.
The Simultaneous "First and Last" is a number only the Uncreated can have.

Isa 44:6 Thus saith YAHWEH, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

We see here that YAHWEH, the God of Israel is "First and Last" and is the only true God. Follow me now.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come, the Almighty

We see that God calls himself by this number, "First and Last" and also the "Who is, was and is to come". He further calls himself, the Almighty/Omnipotent (El-Shaddai), an OT title of YAHWEH. Angels are mighty, even Michael is very mighty but only YAHWEH is Almighty/Omnipotent. Now watch!

Rev 11:17-18 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Who is and was and is to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned

We see here that it is the same YAHWEH Almighty who sits on the throne worshipped by the same title "Who is, was and is to come". So, comparing the OT text and also the two verses in the Apocalypse, It is clear that YAHWEH Almighty's number is "First and Last"

Now let us find out who is this YAHWEH Almighty, The First and Last, Who is, was and is to come?
In the beginning of the apocalypse, John meets with Jesus Christ, who introduces himself as

Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last...
Rev 1:17-18 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

We see that this is Jesus Christ who was dead and resurrected. By his number here, "First and Last/Alpha and Omega/Beginning and Ending", we see that this same YAHWEH Almighty of OT and Jesus Christ of NT are one Being.


Q.E.D. Let's move to another prerogative of God.


Now don't come back here until you have answers to all my three questions which must agree unanimously together.

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Adam is a Son of God because he was created by God.

If Jesus is UNCreated , He cant be a Son of God . when a Created being used First and Last , a thinking brain knows its totally different from the Father..


I challenge you to show me where the Father is called Son of anyone.

hoopernikao:


What you picked up is not my question and it's just a single case out of over 100 cases in the scriptures. That isn't my question. When my questions are answered, we will proceed to treat those verses according. Before then answer my questions.

U wanna run ?
Its actually vital. And key !!!

Whose voice will raise the dead ?

1. Who preached Jesus as angel in the 1st or 2nd century Christians. In all existing literature and texts, show or quote one person who preaches Jesus as Angel. Let's be sure whether such ordinance was handled over by the apostles.

Early church Father's like Justin Matry teach that the Angel of the Lord is the pre incarnate Christ .

" The early Fathers of the Church, such as Justin Martyr, identify the angel of the Lord as the pre-incarnate Christ whose appearance, i.e. Christophany, is recorded in the Hebrew Bible. " Wikipedia .

2. State where Jesus is called an angel in the bible. Where the bible says Jesus is an angel. He

These are my questions. Leave the others for later.

I await.

" Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts." Malachi 3:1 Darby

Who is the Angel of the covenant ?

DrLiveLogic:

Bwahahaha! LMAO. Another JW bows out. Next!

Someone else please come and answer these three questions o. They are only for your own good. LMAO.



***I'm going to continue presenting these questions all together until any of you can attack them all together. I'm not here for rigmaroles. If you can't attack them all together, then Jesus is one Being with YAHWEH

1.) Even if creatures share any titles Can any creature have the number First (before existence) and Last (after all existence is dissolved) at the same time? Please tell us which.

Again you are been mischievous , after been cornered that two people sharing titles doesnt make them of equal power, you now make a U- turn and rant above.


Jesus use of First and Last is not close to that of his Father , Let me ask : Why is Jesus and Adam called " Son of God " ??

A Son of God is a created being!!!! If a created being says He is First and last . Does that not tell a thinking human that he didnt meant Uncreated ??


I challenge you to show me where the Father is called Son of anyone.