₦airaland Forum

Odingo1:
The truth is that every religious book on earth (Bible,Koran etc) is written by human beings, you can now said that those who wrote them did that by god influence. Koran cannot be given direct from god with clear errors, strange practices like child marriage or endorsing slavery, not knowing that Sun don’t move in orbit etc.

I did my research for all this and if you are a Muslim, I can debate with you to show you that Koran was written by human being according to limited knowledge available to the writer 1400 years ago.

Let's just call the Bible the Book of man since it is written by man according to your claim.

Odingo1:
Yes even if Jews practice it, Koran is held responsible since it is a word from Allah, so how is Koran a word from all knowing god don’t know that close relative marriage brings genetic disorders, that child marriage or slavery is not good

Wawo, just wow.

Odingo1:
It doesn’t matter if another culture permit it elsewhere, the question is why will my ancestors be more intelligent than the Koran, a book they claim is from god. My culture know the health implications of it and prohibit it while Koran allow it that prophet Mohammed married his uncle daughter and his adopted son wife.

A round of applause to your intelligent ancestors, only you can imagine how your wise ancestors have shaped the health sector of your village.

However, I can't even phantom the comparison between your ancestors and the Bible or Quran that allowed cousin marriage.

Clap for Jesus

Odingo1:
How do you feel marrying your father brother daughter or a stepchild, doesn’t it look disgusting to you if can be sincere.

Hello, I understand that cousin marriage may seem unusual to you due to cultural differences. However, it's essential to recognize that what's considered taboo in one culture is often a norm in another. Regarding your question about marrying my father's brother's daughter, I don't find it objectionable. Meaning I can marry my cousin.

In fact, cousin marriage is still practiced in many countries worldwide. A quick internet search will provide you with a list of countries where it is still prevalent.

paxonel:
what I see about Dr Abel Damina, he is an intelligent man.

And obviously from the look of things, it is more convenient for God to use intelligent people than less intelligent people.

This is what Abel Damina was intelligent enough to detect
in the real sense

Dr. Abel Damina is indeed both smart and intelligent, as you noted. However, unlike some others, he doesn't claim to receive direct messages from God. Instead, he emphasizes that God's words have already been clearly communicated through the Bible.

paxonel:
what I see about Dr Abel Damina, he is an intelligent man.

And obviously from the look of things, it is more convenient for God to use intelligent people than less intelligent people.
Example : Because Paul was more intelligent than Peter, he did greater things than Peter inspite that Peter met Jesus Christ one on one and Paul didn't
He read it from the old testament but refuses to see that it does not apply anymore in the new testament. This is what Abel Damina was intelligent enough to detect
in the real sense, the two cannot be guidance from God at the same time.
It's either one is right and the other is wrong or vice versa

Got it, now I understand your perspective. One person might be lying while the other is genuinely receiving guidance from God. If we eventually identify the liar, it would imply that any other pastor making similar claims as that liar could also be deceitful.

paxonel:
If the information from the pastor for example is God said you should give to the church because the church preach the gospel, then you can verify from the bible where people give to the church in order to propagate the gospel.
You can also chose not to verify anything and give by your personal intuition and reasoning without a religious leader telling you anything, knowing that preaching the gospel is good.
But where the information is saying pay tithe.
Then you need to ask yourself, what is tithe?
How is tithe different from giving?
You can verify from your bible whether tithe was supported in Christianity or whether the pastor is trying to use your head to make money

I'm trying to understand: is it the same God who instructed Dr. Abel Damina that tithing is not mandatory, who also told Pastor Adeboye that tithing is essential? How can two respected pastors have such differing views on this topic, both claiming guidance from God?

paxonel:
People have every right to say that God told them anything, so long what they claim to be told is the right information.
But where the information is wrong, then you cannot say God told me..

The only problem here is whether the listener is able to detect the validity of the information or not?

How do we verify divine communication? If a claim that "God told me" is only valid when the information is "right," then there must be an agreed-upon standard or authority to determine what God would or would not say. But who or what has the authority to verify God's words? Is it religious leaders, sacred texts, or personal intuition?

Odingo1:
But can’t a god book do better even if another culture is practicing it. Is that morally right in your own thinking without being biased.

Moral standards are shaped by many factors, including society, religion, philosophy, and culture. What one culture sees as morally right may be considered wrong in another. This shows how complex it is to define morality universally.

From a religious viewpoint, particularly in many faiths, God is seen as the ultimate authority on morality. His standards are believed to be higher than cultural differences.

God isn’t opposed to culture itself. Culture is an important part of human expression. However, God is against specific cultural practices that conflict with His moral teachings. It's important to distinguish between cultural elements that align with divine standards and those that don’t, so people can live in a way that honors both their culture and God's principle.

nikky5:
But this morning, the Lord spoke to me about tithing in the church.
He told me that I cannot go to hell if I don't tithe. He said He has shed His blood on the cross for our salvation and it's not mentioned anywhere in the entire Bible that none tithers will die and go to hell. He told me that pastors brought the old testament tithing to raise money for the church work. He said it is not a sin if you don't tithe and you cannot go to hell.

It’s good that you now understand not tithing won’t send you to hell. However, the issue I have with your statement is your claim that God told you this. It’s actually your intuition telling you these things. Stop attributing everything to God. Tomorrow, someone else might claim that God told them if they don’t tithe, hell will be their final destination. It makes me wonder-how can the same God tell different people contradictory things?

Odingo1:
Then why will my ancestors know better than the Koran, because in my cultural tradition, that is one of the highest abominable incest one can commit. As far as the risk is greater than 1% that is much. I am yet to see a culture that permit someone to marry adopted son wife if they divorce.

Then you need to research more.

Fineman2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7KoJYFEdKE?si=T3G9h1CvzuCUHYvU




Nlfpmod mynd44

Jesus go just dey smile.

MaxInDHouse:
It's a sacred secret that can be really difficult for a Muslim to understand but i will try and explain to the best of my knowledge.

The man who was born by Joseph and Mary didn't come through the usual reproduction process because he has been existing in heaven before as an angel. In fact he was the angel God spoke with @ Genesis 1:26 so when the time came for him to come and do a difficult task that no human could do God transformed him into an embryo in the womb of Mary.
His memories were taken away completely from him but because he wasn't born through the same process like all other men he had a perfect mind so he quickly understands whatever he learns even faster than all those who have been doing it before him.
So by the time God wanted him to start the work He (God) used His active force (Holy Spirit) to direct Jesus to John the baptist who at the time was baptizing Jews in preparation for the assignment God had for them as a nation.
It was immediately after his baptism that he regained all his lost memories and from then he began doing the things he used to do before his transformation that's why he could raise the dead, cure all manner of sickness and even control the forces of nature.
So when the Jews noticed all these they were confused and began questioning him on why he is not following the traditions of their ancestors that's why he uttered that statement:

"before all your ancestors (like Abraham) i have been existing"
This means Jesus knew what led their ancestors into what the Jews were holding so dearly: traditions

I hope this does it.

Okay, thanks

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks!

Mr Max, I have been longing to know your interpretation of this verse John 8:58, where Jesus says: "Jesus said unto them, 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.'"

Praise the Lord

At the end of the banter between of Antiislam and Expanse 2020. Is David a Prophet or not?

AntiChristian:
Not really!

Na boarding house we go o!

Okay

AntiChristian:
I remember those days they keep forcing us to memorize those John 3:3 and John 3:7:

Are you an ex-Christian ?

Deepspirituals:
Wouldn't Know who is who Sir.,

There is no indication not to consult Pastors, or Prophets in your write-up

MrPresident1:
Colossians 1:16 KJV
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

The universe does not play dice and God does notr play games, everyman and every woman gets what they deserve: God is no respecter of persons

So whereever you find yourself, that's where he put you because that's where you deserve and younp are either enjoying becuae you lived a good life in the past or suffering becuae you are being recompensed for the deeds of your past existence

If you are under the delusions of Atheism he put you there
Are you a Jehowah witness? That's where he put you
You are a Muslim? That's where he kept you
Church worshiper/Adherent of the Roman religion of Christianity? That's where you deserve

There is no happenstance in the universe. Everything is planned ronthe finest detsilnby the LORD.

Meaning that everything is unfolding as Jesus had programmed it right?

Deepspirituals:
No Consultations with Alfas ,Dibias,Traditional Witch Doctor , Spiritualist.

No Sacrifice to Witches and Wizards .

No Ogboni Cults ,Amorc Rosicrucian ,Awopa ,Eledi Awo,Osugbo ,Free Masons , Illuminati etc Membership

Just Read The Holy Book Bible ,Pray Only.

Can we consult Pastors? The like of Prophet Jeremiah.

Kingsempires:
Is this story true

A simple research for yourself when reveal the truth.

advocatejare:
Can you quote where I said Jesus is God?

You can only ask me to provide a reference for a claim I made! Go and ask those making such claims.

Gerrahia

If you have never made that claim; I am sorry for asking you such a question.

Emusan:
I'm glad you noticed the singularity which is A THRONE and not THRONES.

Even if two are seated on a throne, I don't want to imagine how; what is said of the third person?

Kingsempires:
Yes

Thought you would get it earlier. I am a Muslim

advocatejare:
No, you have not, until you provide the biblical reference where Jesus said he was Angel Michael or where God said Jesus is Michael!

After he answers this, please I want you to provide a biblical reference where Jesus said he is God or where God said he and Jesus are one.

Steep:
exactly and you decided to make fun of the holy Spirit. Only a fool would make fun of God.

Are you Jesus to call me a fool. Steep, the joke is on you.

Steep:
that is because you are truly a fool, only a fool will will make a careless statement about God.
You jumped into a conversation without knowing what was being discussed to make fun of it.
For your infomation even Jesus call people fools.
Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

The all-knowing Steep. You realized that I joined the conversation without fully following it. Even though I made a joke about it, that doesn't qualify you to call anyone a fool.


In Matthew 5:22, Jesus established the rule. But in Luke 24:25, did He break it?

MaxInDHouse:
Well i once see things the way you view it now back then but that was when i still practice Islam, today I know better.

There is one thing that will make people fight and kill one another whether they embrace the same religion or not.

If you want to know tomorrow is another day.

I have followed you enough to know what that thing would be. POLITICS

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is a sign of honesty and sincerity we don't have to always agree but that doesn't mean we should support falsehood our of spite, that is what i will never ever do!

If we could all respect one another, regardless of faith or denomination, the world would undoubtedly be a better place. Mutual respect fosters understanding, reduces conflict, and promotes harmony among diverse communities.

When we embrace the differences in our beliefs with an open mind and a compassionate heart, we lay the foundation for a more peaceful and unified world.

Kingsempires:
which religion are yourself

Do you permit me to say the religion of Peace?