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Is the new planned law apllicable to babalawo and Islam?

Kobojunkie:
Wait.. Is this some sort of winning contest for you?

Know its about truth. I believe as a learner, when youre confronted with evidence, don't stick to your gun but be humble enough to make research knowing you could be wrong. But when you just condemn truth which is evident to everyone. It doesn't show the heart to know truth. This is about truth not politics

Kobojunkie:
Again balaam was not a prophet of God.

And what do you say about the verse which proves you wrong

Numbers 22:18
And Balaam answered and said unto the servants of Balak, If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the word of the LORD my God, to do less or more.

AdeniyiA:
I think nobody will believe you because to even watch his TV is fearful for you, so how could you manufacture/photoshopped an unknown picture with TB JOSHUA... Finally let me drop this..

I may not say the picture was photoshoped
. Its most probably true. My take on that picture is that the understanding of the man of God was limited that time. Its about 30 years ago. And secondly we still have many ministers today filled with the holyghost who still believe that jehovah is alah. Even scofied bible says jehovah is allah

Kobojunkie:
No it was not. Again Balaaam was not an Israelite and the covenant ONLY applies to them, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob whom God rescued from the land of Egypt. Balaam was a foreigner from a foreign land.

So what's your point . You said prophets of God were jews . And I showed you non jews who prophesied . I thought you should just say "sorry I was wrong " except if I'm not getting your point.

Secondly you said the old covenant was not yet made in the days of Balaam . Can you show it in the Bible.?

FOLYKAZE:
Show evidences, from the bible, where it is stated that Nimrod built the tower.

Read the book of jasher . It gives more details .

Also kindly Google historical books or Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod?wprov=sfla1

The reason for building the tower, according to the bible is that they wanted to make name for themselves. No where in the bible was it stated that they projected to escape another deluge with the tower

Remember the bible didn't give details but summary. Book of JASHER is known for details . Even among biblical scribes.

Joshua 10:13
. . . Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven. .

Didn't God promised Noah that he would not destroy the world again with flooding? So what is all these conspiracies about flooding coming from?

Rebbelion doesn't recognize covenant . We may leave that out for now then.

These people built so many cities, not huts. The migration started from Ararat where the Ark docked, and they went Eastward around today Iraq. So when you say they are not filling the world, you are making it appear they sit duck at Ararat. They were continually moving and yet along building cities.

Kindly read the verse yourself

Genesis 11:4
And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth

Continental drift has no basis in the bible. As a matter of fact, the Bible writers are unaware of continents or any world outside middle east

It sure does. This is what led to Continental drift.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvwUAUJjIM0

Any explanation what this verse got to with tower of babel?

Yes the rebbellion decided to occupy in one location and dwell in a city of tower . As they multiply they would rise higher in the structure. God had to scatter them and broke the earth into continents in the days of Peleg

Kobojunkie:
no. Balaam was not even a prophet of God.

Numbers 22:18
And Balaam answered and said unto the servants of Balak, If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the word of the LORD my God, to do less or more.

I will suggest you rather be asking questions than trying to teach

And the old covenant was ratified in Deuteronomy 30, not before.As clearly stated in verse 20, the agreement is between God and those whose ancestors are Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Don't bring confusion . You said only jews were prophets of God. I gave you instances of non jews prophesying . That is enough to close a sincere case

Kobojunkie:
The men you mentioned have nothing to do with the old Covenant though. Read Deuteronomy 18, where God put down rules on who He would have as prophets.

The Old covenant was already instituted while Balaam Prophesied

Kobojunkie:
The prophets of old we're men who were descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who God choose and sent out from among His people, Israel, on behalf of, and to His people Israel. There were no foreigners chosen as prophets under the Old Covenant definition of " prophets". So, no, God never sent out prophets of "Old" in Nigeria and He still does not do that to do this(the old covenant is everlasting).

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Wrong, Enoch was a prophet likewise Lamec Abraham and many Patriacs of the Bible. Balaam was a prophet but he was a Moabite. Prophecy is by the holy spirit . You don't have to be a jew to prophesy . Peter ministered to gentiles and they prophesied

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one[b] in Christ Jesus.[/b]

Act 2:17 — Act 2:18
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:]

Tithes and offerings are eternal principle . We tithe because we are seed of Abraham. We are not tithing to be justified. We are not tithing under the law of moses .

Tithes and offering ore existed the law .Abraham our father tithed ,and he taught his household about tithing. Jacob tithed . Tithing only stopped when Israel left cannan to become slaves in Egypt. And the reason God brought them out was to institute worship again.

As soon as they left Egypt he brought a new system of worship with tithes and offerings.

So we tithe because of abrahamic covenant as seed of abraham. The law was for a period . But the principle applies to Christian. The levites get their welfare from the tithes and offerings . Same was the work of God is funded by our tithes and offerings. Those who work full time in God vineyard are to be taken care of by our tithes and offeings .

Compare the two scriptures below to have understanding of the application to the church

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

FOLYKAZE:
He confounded human language but man is breaking that barrier today with multi-lingua systems, helping expansion of evangelism. Does God not have foresight before creating this problem in the first place?

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You missed the point. The tower was built by Nimrod in rebellion. When he turned against God after the flood of Noah . He decided to build the tower just in case God send another flood . So they burnt the brick hard and used bitumen or asphalt to make the building waterproof. And wanted it higher than the flood .

Secondly its God desire for man to refill the earth but they decided to stay in one place .
God confounded the language not because he was against technology but rather he was against their rebellion .
Before this time the earth was just a mass of land but God broke the earth into continents under their feet . As they group linguistically. Thats we have Nations , Islands and continents today.


Genesis 10:25
And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

ThreeEyedRaven:
Hello everyone.

I had a WhatsApp group call with three of my friends. James, Wale and Goke (In case any of you is reading this, hi guys, you guys are smart I enjoyed the conversation ) where we discussed the origin of sin.

My position was that there's a greater or darker power that corrupted Lucifer. I mean looking at a logical analysis of Ezekiel 28:15
which I'll quote "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."

It is important to put in mind that angels were created before the earth and man subsequently. They were perfect beings created to serve God.

About Lucifer. He was one of the most admirable angels in heaven.

My questions were/still are:
Where was sin before it was found in Lucifer ?
Lucifer was created perfect meaning imperfections came to him due to an interaction with an/some external factor(s)

Also, God created the angels perfect but however didn't confine them to worshipping him like some robots but rather gave them choices to worship him out of their freewill. Now it's important to establish that God is a God of righteousness of which while creating the angels he did that by installing all the righteous features in them by default meaning sin was an external and uninvited guests to the party. So doesn't these all mean that there's always been another end to the righteousness spectrum before Lucifer got tempted and defected to the other side?

They weren't able to convince me maybe you can

God didn't create him a robot . He had power of will . And he used it in rebellion

Titto93:
I'm speaking based on experience, my money keep disappearing at intervals of a month or two, and I'm 100% sure nobody gained access to where the money was kept.

Does anyone have similar experience?

Can evil money draw another money?

Can power invoke money away from where it's been kept?

Yes money or other vital items do dissappear. Its a demonic attack. Mostly by marine spirits . I have personally have to cast out such spirits from the victim. A lady had her school documents missing in a locked shelf. It was after Ministration to her the documents surfaced.

Righteousness89:
A country in South America! Not too sure of the place


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3k-mGCZYpU

Why Re all the videos not playing

Kobojunkie:
As long as the language in question is human, context remains key.
Jeremiah, a man, was obviously, not a stranger to our ability to exaggerate from time to time. That makes more sense than suggesting it ok to pull a verse out of context to support an idea foreign to the context it exists in.

Who did the exergeration Jeremiah ?

If a child ask you about this verse . When did the earth become void and empty and heaven had no light . What will be your response ?

You have said it’ a prophecy for Judah . But you haven’t told when it came to pass .

Kobojunkie:
do you refer to where God commands man to be fruitful and multiply?

Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,.

Plenish means fill
Replenish means refill or fill up again

Well, God did make the animals first.. We do not know for how long that work really did take except that He did it before man was created.

The bible was clear it took 7 days. Secondly the age of the earth from Adam is just about 6000 years. Its easy to calculate from the bible. But we have bones of prehistoric animals dating millions of years

Kobojunkie:
you mean exact year?
no clue but if memory serves, this prophecy is part reason why Jeremiah was dubbed the wailing prophet in his day. I think he, Jeremiah wailed for a period of about 35 years before the prophecy came to pass.

Look at it again

Jeremiah 4:23
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void;
and the heavens, and they had no light.

It says the earth was without form . Not the land of judah "The earth"

Secondly the heaven had not light . Apart from Genesis 1. Where else did this happen in history of man kind?

I will appreciate honesty

Truvel:
God Didn't Destroy D World B4 D Creation Of Adam & Eve It Was After Dem. It Was In Noah's Era God Destroyed D World. 2ndly, Satan Was Not D Ruler Of D World Neither Was He D Ruler Of Men On Earth, It Was After D Fall Of Adam & Eve He Became D Ruler. 3. There Is No Place In D Bible Dat Said Satan Was An Archangel.

Why did God ask Adam to re-plenish ? Which means refill ?

What about the pre historic animals . Who’s fossil evidence show they were Millins of years old

Kobojunkie:
I can't explain a verse in isolation of the context in which it was presented in.
When dealing with material written and expressed in human language, context is key!

When I read through Jeremiah 4, I see that by the time I get to verse 23, Jeremiah is there describing the desolation that would became the land of Judah, a result of the evil way that the people lived(verse 18) and there refusal to heed the warnings from God(verse 19 - 22).

So what time did the fulfillment take place

Kobojunkie:
There can indeed be, but as far as Jeremiah 4(verse 1 through to verse 31) is concerned, it is still Jeremiah addressing God as regards what had become of the land of Judah.

Kindly explain the verse below

Jeremiah 4:23
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void;
and the heavens, and they had no light.

When did this incidence happen?

But why do you have this belief in a pre-Adamic civilisation of men on an earth ruled over by Satan? Where does that truly come from?

We shall come to Back It

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Kobojunkie:
Wait a second.... If you continue reading past verse 26, you are made to realise that Jeremiah is in fact talking of the game and people of the country of Judah.

Why would you pull those out of context to suggest they mean something different?

There can be multiple prophecy in a chapter. Remember the bible was not written in verses. Scholars broke it down to chapters and verses as they deemed fit in their understanding . There' are rules and principles in interpretation of prophecies

DappaD:
What proof do you have that Peter and Jude quoted from the boE? NONE right?

It was part of the Dead Sea scrolls . Among other books like Isaiah and co.

Secondly that’s the only book that contains the prophecy of Enoch

For all we know the boE attached such verses to make it seem legit.

Where did Jude quote from ?

Kobojunkie:
Pre-Adamic men?

Yes pre Adamite men . Thats why God told Adam to replenish the earth . Replenish mean fill it up again .

The earth became void and empty at the destruction .

Jeremiah 4:23-26
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void;
and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled,
and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man,
and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness,
and all the cities thereof were broken down
at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Kobojunkie:
So you assume Satan is some character named Lucifer? So why is he described as a man in verse 16 of your post?
If Satan ruled the earth before man, who saw him, why is he described as a man, and what kingdoms did he shake?

There was once a civilization on the earth that was destroyed by flood . Before Adam was created . Remember Satan was fallen before the time of Adam .
Many names were used to illustrate his personality . Lucifer , Satan , Prince of Tyrus , serpent , devil etc


Ezekiel 28:12-18
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee

Kobojunkie:
So you assume Satan is some character named Lucifer? So why is he described as a man in verse 16 of your post?

He was the ruler among Men

[quote author=DappaD post=92852483].

As for the book of Enoch, it will remain a book of fanciful tales and stories. The inspired letters of Peter and Jude quoted those verses from reliable sources in their day, not the book of Enoch.

What is the reliable source they quoted from .

Kobojunkie:
Ok. So who is Satan then?

Satan Was the ruler of the world Who’s original name was Lucifer . He was Ruler over men on earth and also an Archangel in heaven . He led men in rebellion against God and angels in heaven . And God destroyed that world with a flood . That was before Adam was created . Millions of years ago.


Isaiah 14:12-18
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof;
that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them,
lie in glory, every one in his own house.

Kobojunkie:
You'd have to read it yourself so you can then tell if you believe it as well or not.
But one thing is it does not include Satan as a fallen angel

I read it . I didn't say he called Satan a fallen angel

Kobojunkie:
if you believe what you read from the book of Enoch is true, then you should also believe what it says about the Satans not being associated with the demons, right?

I don't get you .What did it say about satan

jesusjnr2020:
Calm down bro...I didn't ask you if Satan possessed Eve, but how Satan who you claim is a fallen angel not a demon and cannot possess a human being used the serpent in the beginning to deceive Eve.

No need to go too far, for the answer close by. Thanks.

Satan can Use anything Secondly you can’t compared Satan with the angels . Satan was the ruler in the earth in the pre Adamite world . Read Isaiah 14

DappaD:
The book wasn't written by the faithful man Enoch. It's just one of those uninspired apocryphal books

Don’t Bump books together . Some so called uninspired books were quoted in the Bible .

There were several books in the Bible days that are not in our present bible . Such as book of jasher , book of Nathan ,Book of Gad , Book of Enoch etc .

1 Chronicles 29:29
book of Nathan and in the book of Gad the seer,

2 Samuel 1:18
18 (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.

Paul ,Peter and other apostles recognized them as valid

Paul quoted from Jasher here

2 Timothy 3:8
8 -- Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

The book of Enoch chapter 2 was quoted by Jude

Jude 1:14
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

He quoted chapter 2 of Enoch . Peter also made references from book of Enoch
1Pet 3:19

2 Timothy 4:13
13 The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments.

Many books were lost during the wars
Some were later found. Such as The Book of Jasher . The book of Deuteronomy too was lost for many years until it was found .


13 The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments. Many books were still missing till today .

full of fanciful tales and myths, just like the Gospel of Judas.
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Some of these uninspired book are historically accurate .