MuttleyLaff:
People united by Nimrod, to commit treachery, infidelity, disloyalty, unfaithfulness, insubordination, idolatry, defiance, injustice, cruelty, absence of love, wickedness, covetousness, profanity et cetera

FOLY, you were interested in names weren't you. OK, what do you think Nimrod means in Hebrew. Nimrod, means rebel, and fyi, the man is an archetype of Satan. Yep, take it as an education that Nimrod is an archetype of Satan

Ofemmanu1:

Hehehe
FOLYKAZE..
You and moon ehh!

FOLYKAZE:


Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

These people are one (united). They speak one language (another unity). And through unity, they attained the height of 91m. With this unity, they can achieve anything they set their mind on. Hence, God disrupted the project by disunite them by confounding their language.

Seeing that human unity and invention has helped God's ministration, how come God despite human unity and innovation?

FOLYKAZE:
Who are these people? Descents of Ham or the entire population on earth? Gen 11:1 should guide you with answers.

Nimrod built so many cities namely Babel , Erech, Akkad and Calneh in the land of Shinar according to Gen 10:10. Legend has it that he built Nineveh , Resen , Rehoboth-Ir and Calah. So unlike Ofemmanu1 posited, this isn't about city. There were just so many cities scattered around then. The Tower that reaches heaven is the problem here. Nimrod was a great hunter and a mighty king according to the bible.

And please note, even when Nimrod was not peculiarly mentioned in the bible as the builder of the tower, legend has it that Joktan the descent of Shem, and Phenech descent of Japheth all collaborated to build the tower of Babel at the center of Shinar.

Was Joktar and Phenech also evil persons? Or was the problem about Nimrod alone?

MuttleyLaff:
"⁸In that way, the LORD scattered them all over the world, and they stopped building the city.
⁹That is why the city was called Babel, because that is where the LORD confused the people with different languages.
In this way he scattered them all over the world"
- Genesis 11:8-9

"Ibikan lati nmu bẹrẹ jẹ ẹkọ ati ọlẹlẹ" loosely translated mean "There's always a starting point on the eating plate where to have your first scoop of food"

Nimrod, united the people to gather together to profane God. God scuttled their plans to build the city and erect an iconic object depicting their contempt of and disdain to God. The point and place of the rebellion, treachery et cetera was named Babel, purely because that is where God confused everyone with different languages (i.e. that place was where the gathered to unite, plot and planned to carry out their evil intention)

The people that Nimrod gathered together were descendants of Ham, who was not given a blessing and neither a curse, but was given something worse, the silent treatment. I would have shared more details about Ham's descendants and especially Nimrod, but it's beyond the scope of this thread's limit

Maximus69:


OK it wasn't just about their unity Sir, in fact they were doing so against God's will!

Maximus69:
Remember God intended to have people FILL the earth and subdue it {Genesis 1:28} but Satan and his demons wanted to camp all of them in one place so that they can remain under Satan's control while Nimrod will be serving as Satan's agent (human King).
So the tower was intended to reach up to the heavens (skyscraper) in order to prevent them from drowning perhaps if God should bring back the rain that destroyed the past generation {Genesis 11:4 compare to Genesis 7:20} this means they're not prepared to do what pleases God but are planning to stop him from destroying them as he did if they made him angry!

Maximus69:
Nimrod (Lámúrúdu in Yorùbá) happens to be the first human King ever, he is the father of Odùduwà, that's why the fear of resisting his children from being king everywhere they go is in the minds of all men. Anywhere people see one of Nimrod's son or daughter they instantly make them Kings and Queens. Nimrod worshiped the demons so there is no culture on planet earth where Kings are enthroned before the advent of our colonial masters that people don't do human sacrifices before making a person their King or after the death of a king.
That's why God's word referred to Nimrod as a mighty hunter who is against God. Genesis 10:9
Satan really wanted to use him but God stopped that plan by making people speak different languages, that's what made them forget the tower and scattered all over the earth!
Of course the angels are not confused it's still the same language that we are speaking but to humans we find it really difficult to work together as one that very day because what is coming out from our mouths differs completely!

Rilwayne001:
I want to believe the story to be more of metaphoric than of realistic.

FOLYKAZE:


Oga

Why should God hate that which has expanded his ministration?

Maximus69:
The people were truly united as you rightly said but not for something benefitial!

Today the disunity in the world is not as a result of the difference in language but Politics!

That's why Jehovah called us his Witnesses {Isaiah 43:10-12} even though we come from different races and tongues and national groups {Micah 4:1-3} we speak as one family, so neither the sea, skin colour nor language can break our Unity, Jehovah's Witnesses are one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. John 17:21-23 compare to Psalms 133:1

This is a fulfilment of Bible prophecies that says people will come from different races and form a global family under the God of Israel and they will be using his laws to rule amongst themselves! Isaiah 2:2-4

All these will be happening when all other religions failed to unite their people, that's why Micah said all the people will walk in the name of their gods but we will walk in the name of Jehovah our own God {Micah 4:5} then people from different races like me will be drawn to join in worshiping the one and only TRUE God who can make people from different races become one nation speak in agreement! Zephaniah 3:9

There can never be PEACE amongst all other peoples that's the one and only sign to prove that Jesus is real! John 14:27

As for the case of Nimrod being Lámúrúdu, let's leave that for now, it's irrelevant to the topic of discuss!

obonujoker:


Who told you God hates it??

Isn't it God that created all and gave man dominion??

FOLYKAZE:


Oh really Max, it is cool you admitted the people at Babel were united. I assume you will agree that they are innovative and brilliant too.

The Tower of Babel is just the doorway into space exploration and architectural revolution of modern age. The thread is taking a beam light into the unity and innovative mind, a component God really despised, of the ancient people in the days of Nimrod.

Allow me to use ISS as an example. The three connection nodes of the International space station are called Unity, Harmony and Tranquility. All these are largely symbolic, and draw inspiration from Tower of Babel.

The first piece of ISS was launched by the US. It is called UNITY. Different countries launched and mated their modules with unity afterward. These countries include Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Japan, Russia and Canada. These are countries that had fought wars on earth many times. Germany and Japan fought the second world war against US and Europe until 1945, but 10yrs after they United, harmonised and allowed tranquility to reign for the success of ISS.

If you see the artistic depiction of the tower of babel, you would see a whole lot of benefits attached to it. Most of the benefits are reflected in ISS. It benefits cut across economy, education, scientific (botany and zoological) innovation, human health science, closer observation of the earth, space defence, awaken innovation and ideas, and whole lot more. How can you say space exploration isn't beneficial?

Unity cut across every sphere of life. But religious unity isn't beneficial to human at all. It is me against the world things. Unity can best be shown in science and tech.

FOLYKAZE:
According to you, Nimrod gathered together the descendants of Ham.

FOLYKAZE:
But if I may ask, how did the descent of Shem and Japheth loose their lingual uniformity too? Did the confusion at Babel, later known as Babylon, affected the tongue of Shem and Japheth too?

FOLYKAZE:
Note also Gen 11:1-2. It was talking about the people of the whole world, moving toward the east.

FOLYKAZE:
How come you only captured descendants of Ham, leaving behind Shem and Japheth, as the world populace?

Rilwayne001:
I want to believe the story to be more of metaphoric than of realistic.

FOLYKAZE:
All the stories in the bible are esoteric, having no basis in history.

FOLYKAZE:
But let us for once agree with our Christian brothers that the story is literal and historic. How come God was displeased with human unity and innovations?

Maximus69:


Well let's see if Science can bring people together, Jesus' teachings has done it's part and Jehovah's Witnesses have emerged as a result of Jesus' preaching and teaching work.

So it's left to everyone to choose where to pitch their tents!

Thanks!

FOLYKAZE:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qHnvxtu3rU

God didn't build Burj Khalifa. It is man's doing

FOLYKAZE:


Religion is dwindling in countries with better infrastructure, good economy, and exposure to education.

It is a new age, information and data processing.

Peace bro

MuttleyLaff:
"⁹He became a fearlessf hunter in defiance ofg the LORD.
That is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a fearless hunter in defiance of and/or before the LORD.”
¹⁰His kingdom began in the region of Shinar with the cities of Babylon, Erech, Akkad, and Calne."
- Genesis 10:9-10

"²As people moved from the east, they found a plain in Shinar [Babylonia] and settled there.
³They said to one another, "Let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used bricks as stones and tar as mortar.
⁴Then they said, "Let's build a city for ourselves and a tower with its top in the sky. Let's make a name for ourselves so that we won't become scattered all over the face of the earth."."
- Genesis 11:2-4

Not according to me, my dear friend, but according to the bible narrative in Genesis 10:9-10, we read that Nimrod's kingdom began in the region of Shinar (i.e. Babylonia) and that he was a fearless hunter in defiance of God. Now fast forward to Genesis 11:2, we further read that, after moving away from God, this metaphorically means, they journey from the East, as in meaning, moved away the presence of God. This is not surprising, being that, they are descendants of Ham, relic of the earlier time Nephilim gene pool

MuttleyLaff:
Affirmative, yes it affected the lips, words and tongues of the elder Japheth and junior Shem too

MuttleyLaff:
Re-read Gen 11:1-2 once more again, but carefully and slowly, because when you do, you'll notice that it was not all the people of the whole world that moved eastwards, but it was the rebel forces, influenced and led by Nimrod

MuttleyLaff:
"... Job was the greatest man of all the people of the East.
- Job 1:3b

"¹⁵Will you stay on the ancient path that wicked men have trod?
¹⁶They were snatched away before their time, and their foundations were swept away by a river.
¹⁷They said to God, ‘Depart from us. What can the Almighty do to us?’…"
- Job 22:15-17

FOLY, fyi, I only captured descendants of Ham, leaving behind Shem and Japheth, because according to Job 1:3b, Job stayed behind and was recognised to be the greatest of all the men of the east.

Now, do you know the identity of who is talking in Job 22:15-17 above. Never mind the answer, as I'll volunteer it. It is Eliphaz, recounting what happened during the Noahide flood

MuttleyLaff:
Not all stories in the Bible are esoteric. They likely are going to be esoteric to people like you my dear friend and the likes of the Pharisees, the Jewish sect who were "far-to-see" who never saw eye to eye with Yashua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ.

Yashua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, in Luke 8:10 said that:
"believers are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of God, but that He uses parables to teach others so that the Scriptures might be fulfilled: ‘When they look, they won’t really see. When they hear, they won’t understand"

Matthew 13:13, says: "For they look, but they don’t really see. They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand" literally meaning that the more you look, the less you see. This is the perplexity of the situation you are in my friend

If you start reading the bible contextually, not in isolation and under pretext, you would have realised that God takes great pleasure in righteous human unity and just innovations, so please quit this uncalled for and unnecessary truculent attitude. You miss road with with the Genesis 11 account

obonujoker:


This is the voice of Nimrod... The voice of the Antichrist... The voice of Satan.

All glory goes to God

obonujoker:


The Bible already prophesied that many will fall away, but we as believers must continue to the end

FOLYKAZE:


Many religion have come and gone. Christianity isn't an exception

FOLYKAZE:


Many religion have come and gone. Christianity isn't an exception

FOLYKAZE:
Please indicate sir, with Bible back up, what directions Shem and Japheth took if they didn't take the east direction?

FOLYKAZE:
They weren't involved, their language wasn't confounded. They were left non shattered. Today, they arw supposed to speak one languages.

FOLYKAZE:
Genesis
11:1 At one time all the people of the world spoke the same language and used the same words.
2 As the people migrated to the east, they found a plain in the land of Babylonia and settled there.

The people in verse 1&2 are totality of human populace, not subset of Hamites.

FOLYKAZE:
Noahide flood isn't same with Tower of Babel time.

FOLYKAZE:
Hahahaha.

How many times do I have to tell you belief system are not factual but rather emotionally based. The stories in the bible have no basis in history. Well this thread isn't about that

adoyi8:


What will happen to your Igbo ancestors that did not know or believe in Jesus before they died. Remember that Jesus said he is the only way to God so it means that all your ancestors will be roasted in hell for not believing something they did not hear while you their descendant will be bowing day and night singing praises to the wicked being that is roasting your ancestors unjustly. I pity for you.

Ofemmanu1:
Jesus died for the sins of the world.
He died on the cross of Calvary.
He arose again on the third day.

Those three lines are real bro.
Evidences are all over.
Just think about it.

adoyi8:
What will happen to your Igbo ancestors that did not know or believe in Jesus before they died. Remember that Jesus said he is the only way to God so it means that all your ancestors will be roasted in hell for not believing something they did not hear while you their descendant will be bowing day and night singing praises to the wicked being that is roasting your ancestors unjustly. I pity for you.

diridiri:
They died due to the white man's acts of barbarism, which he did in the name of this god whom you so fervently worship. Don't be ignorant.

obonujoker:


Christianity isn't a religion!!! It's doing what the Lord Jesus Christ ask us to do as his representatives on earth

obonujoker:


In all things man has created or built, all glory must go back to God... This is because he made all things possible

MuttleyLaff:
¹After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem,
²asking, “Where is the One who has been born King of the Jews?
We saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.”
³When King Herod heard this, he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him.…
- Matthew 2:1-3

Put on some humility sir, let your missus do a Priscilla-Apollo treatment with you because I know the essence of Job 1:3b and Job 22:15-17 went swoosh over your head as if like, it was a Naija MiG airforce fighter jets flying by. Your bible sub literacy is affecting you understanding Bible 101 basics, like what does East, imply and convey. If not you would have understood what in biblical language does it mean jot journey eastways away from God. Do you know the meaning and/or implication of the Magi, in Matthew 2:1-2, journeying from the East to come worship and pay homage to Yashua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, hmm? I am quite sure there is a good chance Mrs FOLY knows. You are blessed because you have a good woman, daughter of God, whom through you are enjoying the cover of God. Smh. KMT

MuttleyLaff:
Why should they today or even then supposed to speak one language, huh? Are you God, to be dictating how things should pan out or develop ni? Does the sun only shine on good people alone without shinning on bad people, huh. Does rain only fall on your missus believer wife and not also on you a non believer, hmm?. Ọrẹ mi, all this "katakata" talk, as if like "akayin" no dey, here or there, at all. "Padi mi, jawọ lọwọ apọn ti ooo jọ" loosely translated means "My guy, already forget draw soup, wey no draw at all"

MuttleyLaff:
"⁹He became a fearlessf hunter in defiance ofg the LORD.
That is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a fearless hunter in defiance of and/or before the LORD.”
¹⁰His kingdom began in the region of Shinar with the cities of Babylon, Erech, Akkad, and Calne."
- Genesis 10:9-10

"¹Now the whole world had one language and a common form of speech.
²As people moved from the east, they found a plain in Shinar [Babylonia] and settled there.
³They said to one another, "Let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used bricks as stones and tar as mortar.
⁴Then they said, "Let's build a city for ourselves and a tower with its top in the sky. Let's make a name for ourselves so that we won't become scattered all over the face of the earth."."
- Genesis 11:1-4

I am sure you dont need vision correction to see that in Genesis 11:2, the Hebrew word used was "benanawsah" and it conveys the meaning of people being led away from, uprooted, marching from, go forward from, move away from et cetera. The unmistakable glaring fact is that Genesis 11:1 used "the whole world" while Genesis 11:2, dropped down to using "as people moved from the east", not "as the whole world moved from the east" because it wasn't the whole world that moved from the east. It was only Nimrod and his fellow Ham descendants

MuttleyLaff:
Where did you read anyone saying the Noahide flood is the same timeline with Tower of Babel event, huh? Smh. I am not surprised you failed to see the connection of who are people of the East, and was incapable of joining the dots with the Job and Eliphaz references of the east and flood. Fyi, Job stayed in the east and Job lived just after Noah and before Moses. So you know, staying in the east, with a spiritual undertone with it

FOLYKAZE:



He confounded human language but man is breaking that barrier today with multi-lingua systems, helping expansion of evangelism. Does God not have foresight before creating this problem in the first place?

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FOLYKAZE:
I had askes you to simply tell us, using facts from the Bible, what directions Shem and Japheth took if they didn't take the eastern direction.

FOLYKAZE:
And all you could came up with is that East is a spiritual term for ungodly ways. Common Muttley, I had thought you ain't smoking? When did you join Khalifa, MrPresident, and Buzugee gangs?

FOLYKAZE:
Remember in Gen 2:8, the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east. Does it mean he planted the garden in the ungodly foot of satan? Common Muttley, you are more than this.

FOLYKAZE:
Go into the bible again, tell us what direction Shem and Japheth took.

FOLYKAZE:
Lamentations 3:37, who speaks and have it done unless God decrees it?

Descents of Shem and Japheth language couldn't have changed unless God decreed it. But since you say they are neither involved in the building non their language confounded, how then do you say they speak another tongue today?

FOLYKAZE:
Hahaha. Bravo sir!

Gen 11:2 commentary as found on https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/genesis-11-2.html

And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east

"That is, the inhabitants of the whole earth; not Ham and his posterity only, or Nimrod and his company; but as all the sons of Noah and his posterity for a while dwelt together, or at least very near each other, and finding the place where they were too scanty for them, as their several families increased, they set out in a body from the place where they were, to seek for a more convenient one:"

FOLYKAZE:
You are simply turning the whole Bible upside down.

You said, in your own words that Eliphaz was only recounting what happened during the Noahide flood in Job 22:15-17. The people against God during Noah days were already gone with the deluge. Verse 16 included " their foundations were swept away by a river."... The people referred to here are simply those of Noah days who are already extinct during the construction of Babel. As a matter of fact, Eliphaz referenced Noah days, not Nimrod days. So there is no correlations.

And back to the issue before we digressed, how come the world populace according to Gen 11:1 are only descent of Ham as you stated? What happen to descent of Shem and Japheth?

FOLYKAZE:
I really don't subscribe to religious aspect of ATR. I focuses rather on philosophical and spirituality aspect of Isese only.

petra1:


You missed the point. The tower was built by Nimrod in rebellion.

petra1:
When he turned against God after the flood of Noah . He decided to build the tower just in case God send another flood . So they burnt the brick hard and used bitumen or asphalt to make the building waterproof. And wanted it higher than the flood .

petra1:
Secondly its God desire for man to refill the earth but they decided to stay in one place .
God confounded the language not because he was against technology but rather he was against their rebellion .

petra1:
Before this time the earth was just a mass of land but God broke the earth into continents under their feet . As they group linguistically. Thats we have Nations , Islands and continents today.

petra1:
Genesis 10:25
And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

MuttleyLaff:
Smh, you certainly dont understand the import of Genesis 2:8, Genesis 3: 24, Job 1:3b, Matthew 2:1 et cetera and that the descendants of Shem and by proxy Japheth to a certain degree were men from the East aka sons of God

MuttleyLaff:
Mtcheew. Shey ọrọ wa leleyi ni? KMT

You must be sniffing hard substance and not smoking hard substance. Fyi, it means that the garden served as an embassy, a governor general's office, a consulate et cetera and when A&E committed covetousness, treachery, betrayal and disloyalty, they unceremoniously got evicted from Eden. Where did you read about anyone ever talked about an ungodly foot of satan, whatever that in your wild and confused imagination means

MuttleyLaff:
They went in the direction of their choice, but not same direction as the Nimrod led descendants of Ham, who in their though planned to build a city and erect an iconic tower in defiance to God

MuttleyLaff:
I am reiterating what I earlier asked you because you are repeating the same invalid sentiment. Why should they (i.e. descendants of Shem and Japheth) today or even back then, supposed to speak one language, huh? Are you God, to be dictating how things should pan out or develop ni? Does the sun only shine on good people alone without shinning on bad people, huh. Does rain only fall on your missus believer wife and not also on you a non believer, hmm?. Ọrẹ mi, all this "katakata" talk, as if like "akayin" no dey, here or there, at all. "Padi mi, jawọ lọwọ apọn ti ooo jọ" loosely translated means "My guy, already forget draw soup, wey no draw at all[/I]" be busy there proof-texting with Lamentations 3:37, that you dont have a scooby doo what the import of the verse is talking about

MuttleyLaff:
One of the mantra of bible exegesis and hermeneutic is: "[i]Thou shall not read scripture in isolation"

I've now realised that you are nothing other than a loudmouth braggart. You defo surely have a big green L-plate hanging round your neck because if not, you should know that a good bible student/teacher never reads bible verses in isolation. Context is King. Never read a bible text, just like that Gen 11:2, out of context, because if you do, it implies you are reading the narrative under pretext.

""What does Genesis 11:2 mean?
The previous chapter described all the nations, tribes, and languages that came from Noah's three sons. Genesis 11 backs up the story to the era before the people groups were divided. Until this point, the families of Shem, Ham, and Japheth remained together as a single people group with a single culture. Verse 1 told us they all shared the same language.

Here, in verse 2, we're told that this growing extended family migrated away from the region where the ark settled to the land of Shinar. Shinar is the region where Babylon will be established. Thus, at this point in the history of the earth, all the peoples of the world were gathered together in one region.

While it sounds wonderful for mankind to be united in culture and language, human sin makes this a dangerous condition. As shown prior to the flood, mankind's natural habit is towards depravity (Genesis 6:5). The need to restrict man's cooperation with man, at least to some extent, is a major reason for God's actions in this passage (Genesis 11:7–.""

MuttleyLaff:
As I earlier said, put on some humility sir, let your missus do a Priscilla-Apollo treatment with you because I know the essence of Job 1:3b and Job 22:15-17 went swoosh over your head as if like, it was a Naija MiG airforce fighter jets flying by. Your bible sub literacy is affecting you understanding Bible 101 basics, like what does East, imply and convey. If not you would have understood what in biblical language does it means to journey eastwards away from God. Do you know the meaning and/or implication of the Magi, in Matthew 2:1-2, journeying from the East to come worship and pay homage to Yashua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, hmm? I am quite sure there is a good chance Mrs FOLY knows. You are blessed because you have a good woman, daughter of God, whom through you are enjoying the cover of God. Smh. KMT

MuttleyLaff:
Whatever floats your boat, save your soul (i.e. ''ori'') from eternal destruction, rids forever, once and for all, sins, and all the societal ills, calamities, affliction, pains, misery , destitution, plagues, sickness, poverty et cetera