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Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by Nobody: 11:25am On Aug 17, 2020 |
FOLYKAZE: What a happy reconciliation! I really love this! 1 Like |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:36am On Aug 17, 2020 |
TATIME: Orunmila is a divinity against the dark powers of the world. He is married to one of this dark powers. And they lived peacefully. Tibi tire ladaye....the beautiful and ugly have to coexist, allow harmony reign and stamp down chaos. This is the way of Tao |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by petra1(m): 11:54am On Aug 17, 2020 |
FOLYKAZE: Read the book of jasher . It gives more details . Also kindly Google historical books or Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod?wprov=sfla1 The reason for building the tower, according to the bible is that they wanted to make name for themselves. No where in the bible was it stated that they projected to escape another deluge with the tower Remember the bible didn't give details but summary. Book of JASHER is known for details . Even among biblical scribes. Joshua 10:13 . . . Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven. . Didn't God promised Noah that he would not destroy the world again with flooding? So what is all these conspiracies about flooding coming from? Rebbelion doesn't recognize covenant . We may leave that out for now then. These people built so many cities, not huts. The migration started from Ararat where the Ark docked, and they went Eastward around today Iraq. So when you say they are not filling the world, you are making it appear they sit duck at Ararat. They were continually moving and yet along building cities. Kindly read the verse yourself Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth Continental drift has no basis in the bible. As a matter of fact, the Bible writers are unaware of continents or any world outside middle east It sure does. This is what led to Continental drift. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvwUAUJjIM0 Any explanation what this verse got to with tower of babel? Yes the rebbellion decided to occupy in one location and dwell in a city of tower . As they multiply they would rise higher in the structure. God had to scatter them and broke the earth into continents in the days of Peleg |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by diridiri(m): 6:16pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Yes, because people die, but the person I was replying to was acting like they died because of divine judgement from God the all forgiving. I was just pointing out that white men caused a lot of deaths in their attempt to "spread the good gospel of god" a god who would never have allowed something like that to happen if he were just. |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by Nobody: 6:25pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
TATIME: We've resolved to live by what each of us believes, no need of pestering each other over how one should live his life or what one should pack in his head! |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 6:30pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
adoyi8: diridiri: MuttleyLaff: diridiri:The poster whom you mentioned and replied to, is an atheist and wasn't acting as you wrongly imagined The black man is not innocent of acts of barbarism, which were done in the names of idols, deities, gods or ancestors, whom they so fervently to date worship, so lets not be ignorant of that fact too. God is Sovereign and so can and would allow anything He so pleases to happen. If it pisses you off, then go make your own living being creation and return back here, so we can talk over it 1 Like |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:10pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
petra1: When I said bible backup, I don't mean non canonised books of the bible. Without evidence from the 66 books of the bible, we can both agree that Nimrod wasn't the one who built the tower. Take a look at content on Wikipedia: ""In Hebrew and Christian tradition , Nimrod is considered the leader of those who built the Tower of Babel in the land of Shinar , [5] though the Bible never actually states this. "" The idea that Nimrod built the tower has it origin in Jewish and Christian tradition, these roots are all outside the Bible. When you find evidence within the Bible, please do not hesitate to present it sir. petra1: The book of jasher is non-cannonised and unacceptable. The information in Gen 11 indicate that the people proposed to build a tower to make a name for themselves. There is no information in chapter 11 or outside Genesis that indicate that they were trying to avert another flood. That flood aversion theory is your own making. petra1: Lol They already knew God won't cause another deluge. The rainbow was the seal of that promise. And yes, there was no covenant that they shouldn't build tower. Building high rises isn't a sin. The tower was not dedicated as an altar to any Gods. I see no reason why God should be angry that they built a tower. petra1: I will have to agree partially that you have a point here. But really, this is what you think their offence was, not really why God confounded their language. They had two projects they were working on; city and city tower. God didnt punish Cain for building a city, after he has instructed his parents and himself to scatter across and fill the world. There are many cities in the bible, no verse in all the bible mentioned that the builder of those cities was punished. Therefore, God definitely punished these people for building a tower that reaches heaven. petra1: We can discuss this later petra1: Really? He broke the land into continents when men were already in existence? |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 10:04pm On Aug 17, 2020 |
FOLYKAZE:Look here Ọga FOLYKAZE, I have already posited you that context is king. The whole gamut of correct/accurate Bible interpretation, exegesis and/or hermeneutics is summed up in the phrase "context is king". Now if peradventure you had abided by that principle, you would have got the nerve to think of some ignorant challenging to do again and again, asking for evidence to be dropped anywhere. When you are reading bible verses in isolation, why would you think, there will be anything in the verses that indicated "descent of Shem and Japheth took any direction aside the East" sic At this juncture, please, show me, where you found, I did ever type, that the descendants of Shem and Japheth took any direction at all and took aside the East. FOLYKAZE:I immediately spotted and corrected the fat finger typo last night or in the early hours of the day when that post was hurriedly typed. I didnt know you are this nitpicking and a kofam bonafide hypocrite. There is a typo above in your quote and there's construct that don't make sense in the below quote of yours. He who lives in a glasshouse, ought not to throw stone. KMT. Mtcheew. You've being behaving out of character since you've returned back from your hiatus. You've being employing all sorts of underhand tactics, so just to, by whatever means necessary, get an edge over. Smh. Look at him, behaving as if, he isn't aware of what suggestive text and predictive text technology are. The word prediction or an assistive technology, kept changing my words and HTML tag typed. I am lucky I caught a few, but for the odd ones that slipped through the net, Ọga FOLYKAZE wants to hang me out, to dry, for it. If he had revisited the posts, he would have noticed that I had already corrected a few good ones, so to prevent misunderstandings. FOLYKAZE:Read the red emboldened and the underlined, do you clearly understand what you were trying to convey or understand the point you were trying to make with the above underlined construct, hmm? Yinmu. Smello firigbọn alatọle. KMT FOLYKAZE:Nope and capital NO, that God is in the west, and satan is in the east, because God, in fact, is in the east FOLYKAZE:Watch this, if you are already in the east, and then start to move to the east/eastward, what do you think you embarked there and then to be doing? Exactamundo! You’re moving away from God. I am giving you milk, not solid food, for you are not at all, in a position for this sort of solid food. In fact, the solids necessitates breaking down and put into baby bottle(s) FOLYKAZE:Bible scholars? Pfft. You make me laugh. Have you heard of the Spirit of Truth. Why not, out of curiosity, go find out from John 16:13 who He is and what He does FOLYKAZE:I agree with the Bible that Nimrod did not build the tower. I also know and agree that, it simply the idea of Christians that Nimrod physically built the tower. Now having said all that, you'll have a task on your hand trying to find any quote of me, ever alluding that Nimrod physically or actually built a tower FOLYKAZE:Are these your favourite Bible scholars better human being than you are? Do these Bible scholars you are sucking up have exclusivity monopoly of knowledge and information, huh? Would it be an element of inferiority complex that stops you from having a legitimate objective understanding of Genesis 11:1 and its context, that's totally independent of and free of favourite Bible scholars' cognitive distortions, huh? FOLYKAZE:You think, I am you, trying to bamboozle me by proof-texting with Lamentations 3:37, when you dont have a scooby doo what the import of Lamentations 3:37 is talking about FOLYKAZE:God "tempered"? Tempered indeed. Now mister, as I earlier typed, and repeating what I earlier asked you because you are repeating the same invalid sentiment. Why should they descendants of Shem and Japheth today or even back then, remain speaking one language, huh? Are you God, to be dictating how things should pan out or develop ni? Does the sun only shine on good people alone without shinning on bad people, huh. Does rain only fall on your missus believer wife and not also on you a non believer, hmm? Then what will and who can stop God from tampering with the language of Shem and Japheth, just as much as He did with the the language of Ham's descendants, huh? Smh. I kept drumming it into to your ears, but it goes in one ear and comes out the other. Why not stick your finger in one ear so the advice doesnt filter out through the other ear hole, hmm? FOLYKAZE:You think you're being comical, but you've only with the irrational comment and lol, betrayed your ignorance. Fyi, have this freely given education on me. Green L plates, indicates lack of experience, but yeah, as for you, a red L plate, indicating you're a learner and danger to others, suits you, fine. You actually should be sanctioned from typing the rubbish you heaped on this thread FOLYKAZE:Why not bring proof of me saying, that the language of the whole earth was not confounded or that it didn't include the three sons of Noah nah? FOLYKAZE:Since you love Bible scholars, why not try Matthew Poole's Commentary. It'll surprise you that it agrees nicely with the brief given me, that it was Nimrod and the descendants of Ham, led by Nimrod who were moving away from God (i.e. defiantly journeying eastward, away from God's presence and influence) When you move from the east, towards the east, like Nimrod & Co did, then, you are moving away, from the presence and influence of God. Read Matthew Poole's Commentaries on Genesis 11:1 and Genesis 11:2 by clicking on this weblink below: Matthew Poole's Commentary https://biblehub.com/commentaries/poole/genesis/11.htm FOLYKAZE:The correlation is the aspect of "east". Eliphaz is Job's contemporary, with Job being the greatest man among all the people of the East. I introduced the Eliphaz narration talking about the Noahide flood, that preceded the Tower of Babel infamous incident because of bringing you into knowing the implication, meaning and significance of "east" in the Bible? I could share more into "east" but it'll be info overload, and besides that, will be out of scope FOLYKAZE:Yinmu. Would "I focuses rather on philosophical and spirituality aspect of Isese only" sic, save your soul (i.e. your ''ori'') from eternal destruction? Would "I focuses rather on philosophical and spirituality aspect of Isese only" sic, rid forever, once and for all, sin(s), and all the societal ills, calamities, affliction, pains, misery, destitution, plagues, sickness, poverty et cetera of this world, hmm? |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:36pm On Aug 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Oh really you challenged me? Well here it is, the 20yrs Pounded yam you requested for; MuttleyLaff: Right above, you made so many unsubstantiated jargons. 1. That Nimrod built the tower. This claim has no root in the bible. 2. That Nimrod mobilised only descendants of Ham to build the tower 3. That only Ham descent travelled from/to the east, metaphorically away from God. MuttleyLaff: Muttley, this isn't about the typo. I have gone past typographical errors, and had embarked on reconstructing what you meant so as to understand you better. But hey, you are still high and can't see the precise spot I am targeting here Before you run for the gun, take a look into the mine I am setting up in the mud you are trying to create. Genesis 11:2 CEB ASV, AMP, CEB stated that they migrated toward East direction. >>>>>>>>>> Eastward implies toward the east, opposite of west. ISV holds that these migrant took the direction of the west. <<<<<<<<<< Westward implies they face toward rhe west direction, opposite of East. ESV, CEV, CSB posit that they moved away from thr east, into unspecified directions. It could be south vvvvv, north ^^^^^, west <<<<<. They were not stationed in or moving toward the east. GNT stated that they wandered within the east. Not leaving for the North, south or west. It indicates they only change position after wandering but never left the Eastern direction The keywords from the different translations have made us understand that East in Genesis 11:2 is a movement, migration pattern from a geographical point to another, and East online points to the direction they took. East has no spiritual undertone as it is a cardinal point to a geographical area. This is the map of Ararat and Babylon Direction from Babylon to Ararat is northwest. MuttleyLaff: Who then is in the west, North, and south? MuttleyLaff: East is not a position but a direction. MuttleyLaff: This is a two-way path, circular and led to the same spot. MuttleyLaff: Are you for real? These are your words. "" "" Yes, Nimrod and his company, attempted building the tower to get a name for themselves, have their own god(s) and be their own god, having no need for God and no need to call on His name."" "" MuttleyLaff: You relied on English translation, which has went through modifications and lost it originality. You don't have the old manuscript or understand ancient words which these later day translations are based on. A scholar have much greater materials and resources than you to help understudy carefully what each word, phrase and sentence mean. MuttleyLaff: It is your duty to explain how and when the descent of Shem and Japheth lose their original language. Why was their tongue changed when God has not done it? You are only presenting an extraordinary claims that descent of Shem and Japheth were not involved in the building of the tower, but magically got their language confused. Then you must present extraordinary evidence proving that descent of Shem and Japheth got their language confounded before or after the confusion at Babel. Confounding of language happened at Babel, where and when did descent of Shem and Japheth language got confounded if they were not involved? |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:39pm On Aug 18, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Oh common! It is my label, my game. MuttleyLaff: Lagbaja has said it. A meat is reported missing in the pot, and lamori said the meat is not salty, commonsense should tell that lamori is the thief who stole the meat... Hahahaha Some people built a tower. And they got punished for their action. You claim Mr S and Mr J were not involved in the project, but shared from the punishment. MuttleyLaff: Matthew Poole is not conforming with your submissions at all. 1. He claimed Nimrod migrated from Assyria to Shinar. There is no evidence to this claim in the bible. 2. His migration pattern is from one geographical location to another point. It has no spiritual undertone as you suggested. MuttleyLaff: Please share MuttleyLaff: Leave the mudslinging for pigs, the blood bath is for big cats |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 10:34pm On Aug 18, 2020 |
FOLYKAZE:Pftt. Smh. At the rate you're going, you'll soon by taking your bicycle and become Billy-no-mates, having no one to play with FOLYKAZE:Mtcheew. Shey ọrọ wa leleyi ni? KMT If you have no proof to present of me saying, that the language of the whole earth was not confounded or that it didn't include the three sons of Noah, then please, shut the foxtrot uniform charlie kilo up jor ojaare FOLYKAZE:Smh. Ogbeni, mister man the tower was not physically built, it was a proposal that didnt get its foot off the ground. When would you start exactly reading what you see in the Bible, just the way its printed, huh? Watch this. FOLYKAZE, lets go on a shopping spree. Please tell tomorrow, if we really and actually went on the shopping spree. Smh. KMT. FOLYKAZE:[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img] So? Your point then is what? Does rain fall on, both the good and bad? Does the sun shine on both the good and the bad? What makes you think it was punishment for Messers S, J and their descendants, hmm? FOLYKAZE:Oh yes he does. He corroborates my submission that the descendant of Ham led by Nimrod, the rebel, moved east, symbolically meaning they move away, in defiance, from the influence, protection and covering of God FOLYKAZE:As you like it. If you dont agree, then watch to see, if I care FOLYKAZE:Share ko. Chair ni I am not going to waste the share on undeserving you, bar than sign post you to Genesis chapter 10 (i.e. the first half) Good luck on the road that leads to satori FOLYKAZE:You really have turned deplorable worse and disgracefully rotten sha and would use whatever tactic, so just to have one over. Seem you have conveniently chosen to forget that it was you living in a glass house that was throwing stone, nitpicking on my fat finger typo(s) and omission(s), spotting errors, behaving as if, you yourself don't fart. Now when I, in return, ent on to, pick up and show all your grammatical errors, misspellings, your not able to be understood sentence constructions, you're now resorted to using this insincere sentimental claptrap |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:20am On Aug 19, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Quit this childishness. I am not available for the banter tradings. MuttleyLaff: You have long lost touch with the discussion on this thread. You were here telling us Ham descendants conspired with Nimrod to build a tower. Descendants of Shem and Japheth were excluded in your own thinking. However, you turned around and said these people who were not involved got equal and effective reaction of an action they are not partying in. How is it possible? It is basically illogical. I am giving you for an umpteenth time an opportunity to explain yourself, tell us when and how descent of Shem and Japheth got their language confounded if they weren't part of the construction of the tower. MuttleyLaff: Indeed you have lost touch with reality. Genesis 11:5-6 5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them In the OP, I said they were progressing with actualisation of the project. The verses above showed they already made a progress. And the progress gave birth to what we know today as Ziggurat. Ziggurat is a physical structure sir. And the Bible verse above shows they had physically and progressively built a structure in Babel. MuttleyLaff: Rain and sunshine, unless in rare conditions like in the days of Noah and Joshua, are natural/neutral occurrence by God, rather than been punitive measure caused by God for the action and inaction of men. MuttleyLaff: Confounding of human language only happened in Babel, as recorded in the bible. You have pointed out that descent of Shem and Japheth were not in Babel or took part in the tower building, but somehow, magically severally punished for an action they were not involved. Genesis 11:8-9 8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth. From Babel, God scattered the whole human populace over all the earth. While rather you posit, contrary to what the Bible said, that descent of Shem and Japheth were not party in the babel construction, did not gather but spread out on their own, and magically lost their original tongue. Verse 9 pointed out at Babel, the Lord confused the language of the whole world. The whole world populace were involved at the babel construction, and they equally got punished for their action. MuttleyLaff: Oga shatap abeg. You have agreed there is no evidence Nimrod built the tower in the bible, and that claim are rooted only in Christian tradition. MuttleyLaff: It is what it is Muttley. Mathew claim the people journeyed from Assyria without any evidence in the bible. And the migration pattern is geographical, not having any spiritual undertone MuttleyLaff: Hahahahaha I have read Genesis 10 over and over. All I found is heap of cowdung available for a pack on your doorstep. Firstly, Genesis 10:20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations. If the incident in Genesis 10 predate Genesis 11, descents of Ham had multiplied in their thousands, spoke different language, spread over different countries and nations. I would want Petra1 to understand Gen 10:25 doesn't imply continental shift. Gen 10:25 has been explained in Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. Tongues before babel. A better translation holds that peleg is racial divide. MSG Arphaxad had Shelah and Shelah had Eber. Eber had two sons, Peleg (so named because in his days the human race divided) and Joktan. TLB Two sons were born to Eber: Peleg (meaning “Division,” for during his lifetime the people of the world were separated and dispersed), and Joktan (Peleg’s brother). GNT Eber had two sons: one was named Peleg, because during his time the people of the world were divided; and the other was named Joktan. AMP Two sons were born to Eber; the name of one was Peleg (division), for [the inhabitants of] the earth were divided in his days; and his brother’s name was Joktan. MuttleyLaff: I am not ready for mudslinging Muttley. And already told you what I thought you meant which you have already corrected... God is in the east.. And satan is in the west. Hahahaha |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 11:42am On Aug 19, 2020 |
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Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:02pm On Aug 19, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Hahahaha I have most time wondered, how old is this muttley guy that be wants mudslinging all his life? |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 12:40pm On Aug 19, 2020 |
FOLYKAZE:[img]https://media./images/14cd04951335766288c672c30e186f98/tenor.gif[/img] Typing your typical trash as usual. It was you who first was nitpicking about my typo errors etcetera caused from hurriedly typing and of course, the predictive text technology feature etcetera, but when I then went to highlight your very own series of grammatical and typo errors, it didnt seat well with you, so you got you singing different tunes as if it wasn't you, who first started throwing and slinging mud. Tell me what's brought up the issue of how old anyone is now, huh. Is it difficult for you to stay focused on the subject matter without you giving in to using underhand tactics, distractions and whining as if like a puppy. Was it me who first brought up typo errors? Was it me whose brought up ageism? I careless how old and/or biblical illiterate anyone is. I am not proselytizing anyone into anything. I am not selling a product. I am not after anyone's money. I advance and present facts and truth to deserving to know |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by Nobody: 1:31pm On Aug 19, 2020 |
FOLYKAZE: Well if i tell you from the start that the one and only ORGANIZED people having the same line of thought on issues and benefitting amongst themselves is Jehovah's Witnesses, surely you'll object vehemently just like any other person. That's why i said let each person continue with their understanding, then the group that has been working out what is benefitial amongst themselves will become obvious to all! Matthew 5:13-16 |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by petra1(m): 6:00pm On Aug 19, 2020 |
FOLYKAZE: The less is included in the greater. When languages were confounded People regrouped according to tongues and separated accordingnly and God splited the earth into continents and islands. A better translation holds that peleg is racial divide. I don't think its proper to use the language "BETTER TRANSLATION " Secondly they translated according to their understanding. The word used "eres" in Hebrew means earth , ground and Not language . Eber was a prophet he already knew what was coming. And named his son Peleg- which means division or earthquake or division by earth quake. The earth was broken . This triggered Continental drift |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by jamesid29(m): 6:31pm On Aug 19, 2020 |
Cc FOLYKAZE... So following the conversation for a while , I must say, it's a bit refreshing to see a critic of the scriptures that actually takes their time to read what the text actually says rather than what they remember from Sunday school. So out of curiosity, since you already know what was been built at Babel was a ziggurat And the progress gave birth to what we know today as Ziggurat.Why do you still hold that God's action of scattering the people was because of their mere unity in building a tower? |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by Nobody: 6:52pm On Aug 19, 2020 |
jamesid29: The problem most Churchgoers have today is ignorance! The divine name YAHWEH (JEHOVAH) simply means "He who causes to become" The event @ Babel revealed how God outwitted Satan who wanted to gather all the people under his domain using the bait of a tower thought to have been a means of strength to imperfect humans, God proved his name beyond reasonable doubt that even without people speaking the same language he has the power to make them speak as one family! Satan's reasoning that people can only unite if they're of the one literal language was excellently flaw, when we see deadly disputes within the same tribe or language like Ife/Modakeke crisis! Well JEHOVAH has united people from different races, tongues, skin-colour, nationalities and caused them to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4 YES let them know that JEHOVAH has proven his Godship beyond all reasonable doubt, Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is the evidence of his power to do what seems impossible! John 17:21-23 |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by Csonice1: 9:52pm On Aug 19, 2020 |
FOLYKAZE: hurray! but you got a poor grade at the end. God knows possibilities from the beginning. for the sake of the choice given to man; they can choose any path. God knows where each path will lead to, even though it may seem right unto a man, the end may be destruction vice versa. The project wasn't the problem, the unity wasn't the problem; the motive behind it was. they wanted to make a name for themselves and remain in a single place(but God's word must be fulfilled); they were not doing it to Glorify God but to make a boast of strength in themselves: God forbids that. God also knew what he had put in a man, and it was best to give them different languages. 1 Like |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:06am On Aug 20, 2020 |
Csonice1: Oh! I like that you don't give it unnecessary twist. The project wasn't the problem, but even when it will be beneficial to God's ministrations, he never foresaw that and thwarted that brilliant project. We have today numerous modern architecture designs that followed the style of Ziggurat, these buildings are found across the world. The Ziggurat was designed as a doorstep into heavens, that is why it is called Etemenanki, the name for the structure, is Sumerian and means "temple of the foundation of heaven and earth". Etemenanki gives rises to space exploration and architectural revolutions we have today. There are two problems in your submissions. Firstly, why should God be given glory for what he didn't do by himself? It's like giving the glory for inventing airplane to God, when in fact, it is the Wright brothers who designed and innovated airplanes. Secondly, I read through Genesis 9 to 10 and 11. What is wrong with civilizations? These people wanted to become city dwellers but God wanted them to wander around like animals in the bush. Is it God idea that human should live in isolation? Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. Genesis 10:20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations. If the incidents in Gen 10 predate Gen 11, these people are not isolated. They are already doing well in different countries, nations and cities. They also speak different languages. |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:08am On Aug 20, 2020 |
jamesid29: That is largely, what is stated in the bible. It could be something else, but I won't make claims outside what is in the bible. |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:28am On Aug 20, 2020 |
petra1: https://www.studylight.org/commentary/genesis/10-25.html |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by jamesid29(m): 11:26am On Aug 20, 2020 |
Maximus69:Okay sir... But this is not an answer to my question though. I'm guessing you were passing across your personal opinion... which is also ok |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by Nobody: 11:40am On Aug 20, 2020 |
jamesid29: @bolded is a misconception! Because there is well over 8.7 million individuals globally having the same mindset and there is no contradictions amongst them, they're having the same line of thought, so it's not some kind of PERSONAL opinion Sir! |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by jamesid29(m): 11:48am On Aug 20, 2020 |
FOLYKAZE:Yeah, you are right about it being a ziggurat and also that it's most likely the ziggurat named Etemenanki boss(I don't think there are many people in academia that would disagree with you on this). I think where the misconception steams from is that you misunderstand the cultural significance of a ziggurat and what it is built for. I believe if you take a dive into what it is and it's significance in ancient mesopotamia, it would change your reading of Genesis 11. |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by jamesid29(m): 11:55am On Aug 20, 2020 |
Maximus69:By personal opinion I meant, your reply wasn't really an answer to my original question but more of evangelising |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:25pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
jamesid29: I honestly do not want to delve into the cultural or spiritual significance of the Etemenanki, as there is no concensus and evidences to strengthen the view. This is why I tilted away from spiritual and cultural significance, and rather focuses more on space exploration and architectural revolution. You are the only person who see my taillight. Check this out from Wikipedia; Etemenanki has been suggested as a possible inspiration to the biblical story of the Tower of Babel. According to archaeologist Harriet Crawford, "It is usually assumed that the ziggurats supported a shrine, though the only evidence for this comes from Herodotus , and physical evidence is non-existent. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziggurat There is no evidence to show the Ziggurat serve as a shrine to Marduk. However, there are enough evidence that the designs are not simple base but has imprints of advance mathematics and complex architecture designs which aid sky observations and city security. |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 5:30pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Csonice1:Gbam! Csonice1:Gbam! That's another one. Csonice1: MuttleyLaff: FOLYKAZE:I like how we have someone on here, who thinks he is a lot more smarter, wiser, clever, more knowledgeable, more informed than God is. I like how we have someone on here, who thinks he can teach God how to suck eggs. I like how we have someone on here, who believes all that God has done could be improved upon. I like how we have someone on here, who thinks God could have done better work at creation et cetera and so takes pleasure in reviling and slagging God off. Smh. jamesid29:When people read a Bible text out of context, they are nine times out of ten, reading the Bible text under pretext. Critic(s) of the scripture, always read biblical texts, out of context and interpreting them under pretext FOLYKAZE:The emboldened is terribly hilarious jamesid29:Face palm and smh at the highlighted. Tut-tut. MuttleyLaff:Now I am in dire need of an interlocutor, preferably an ardent supporter of 2 Timothy 2:15, to show in the Bible, where it is largely, plus clearly stated and done in detail, leaving no room, for confusion, guessing or doubt, that before the disruption, a physical structure tower, as in like, one made of straw bricks, whatnots and mortar, circa Genesis Chapter 11, ever was built. Now this request, needs to be done, without make claims outside what is black and white or even red, written in the Bible. 1 Like |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by Csonice1: 6:37pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
FOLYKAZE: Who gives life? if you are knowlegeable, you will keep quiet here. FOLYKAZE: I don't want to sound arrogant; I could have said that you are daft. For God's plan for humanity, start from Genesis Chapter 1, that's if you will understand. FOLYKAZE: Read Genesis5, it is a very good summary of a few chapters. a kind of genealogy. Genesis10 is more or less the same. I'm amazed at ur level of understanding. Truly. 1 Like |
Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by MuttleyLaff: 6:47pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
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Re: Tower Of Babel, An Insight Into Space Exploration And Architectural Revolution by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:45pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Csonice1: Mr, yes I assume you are an adult male human, can you please stop answering questions with another question? It makes you appear directionless like an headless chicken. I asked, why should God be given glory for what he didn't do by himself? It's like giving the glory for inventing airplane to God, when in fact, it is the Wright brothers who designed and innovated airplanes.... Please address the question.. As for what you asked, life is not giving, it is procreate through sexual reproductions or cellular replication. Chikena. Now address the question; why should God be given glory for what he didn't do by himself? It's like giving the glory for inventing airplane to God, when in fact, it is the Wright brothers who designed and innovated airplane. Csonice1: I am not offended. I am in the game way too long, and understand that when religious folks are cornered like you are, they either hide their head like ostrich or resort to argumentum ad hominem. We don see plenty. It is God's plan, according to Genesis 1, that man should multiply and dominion world over. Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Multiplication and domination can only be achieved through integration and migration. These are characterised in Genesis 10. They integrated, procreate, dominate and spread out into different countries and nations. It is important to note that, part of their domination of the sky is in the city of babel and tower. Most importantly, multiplication and domination is not forfeited in dwelling municipality and metropolis. I bet, you are living today in the city, instead of dwelling in the villa where you descended from. Genesis 1 does not tell us if city dwelling is wrong, as city dwelling contributes to multiplication and domination of human. So tell sir, these people wanted to become city dwellers but God wanted them to wander around like animals in the bush. Is it God idea that human should live in isolation? Csonice1: There is no correlations. While both Gen 5 and Gen 10 contain genealogy, the former entails generations from Adam to sons of Noah, while the later details the table of nations descending from the sons of Noah. In Gen 5, the generation were single persons, Gen 10 deals with nations and countries/race. The nations in Gen 10 already in different clan under different languages (notice; plural). Genesis 10 indeed reveal that there are nations, descending from the sons of Noah, speaking different languages. If human lived in different nations, then they are not in anyway isolated. As a matter of fact, they easily multiply and dominate their environment through grouping as they did in Babel. Dispersion, as against city dwelling, isolation which regress multiplication and domination. |
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