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Brachaa:
I'm not the Op.

Sorry pls. Deleted

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Acrofab:
Please if you know what I can do to free kindly let me know.

Kindly reach me privately. You need to be ministered to .

CCOB9487:
This thing don do me. In fact it still dey do me. But it has reduced a lot. I really feel your pain and know what you are going through. People think you are crazy bah?

I can help . Send me private message

OLAADEGBU:
Is it the fact that he openly attacks church systems or that he constructively criticizes church systems that makes him a backslidden minister or Christian?

No but the content of his criticism as O mentioned above. He criticize what he doesn't know and thereby stand in the place of destabilizing the faith of genuine seekers of God. He has no more message to preach than just condemning the works of other men of God.

Secondly its wrong to judge others but if we must judge action or doctrines we do it scripturally and not name calling others as mammon worshiper or fake monisters or thieves especially when we stand the chance of being wrong in our opinion .

Thirdly he had access to these ministers he could have called them for a discussion . And if there need be He could have warned them individually if they are really in error . But he goes after sheep and genuine seekers to paint every known minisyers evil. Living the people with nothing

Maximus69:
Then why did Apostle Paul criticized Apostle Peter? Galatians 2:11

You can correct or rebuke in the place of your authority under your jurisdiction .

That was Pauls Church. Peter did hyprocritcally there when he disembarked from eating with gentiles in Pauls Church when he saw James deciples coming to sph their liberty. Paul had to do the correction there openly. He was the Pastor in charge.

desiredhome:
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Faulty Church system you mean?

More like attention seeking. He attacks every minister . Especially in areas has no information. He misjudge actions and intentions.

Imagine him saying casting out demons is hypnotism .

OLAADEGBU:
It is becoming clear that this man is just using human psychology, sociology and philosophy to address church issues he no longer shows any spiritual or biblical insight.

He's a backsliden minister or Christian. I don't know if he's still in faith . He openly attacks church systems

OLAADEGBU:
It is becoming clear that this man is just using human psychology, sociology and philosophy to address church issues he no longer shows any spiritual or biblical insight.

He's a backsliden minuster or Christian. O don't know if he's still in faith . He openly attacks church systems

OpenYourEyes1:
This is for "those under the law".


But a born again keeps every other day holy.

Christ is our sabbath

jesusjnr2020:
Now Imagine that, and yet They were still questioned and persecuted by the likes of you who didn't believe They were of God, especially because They spoke the Truth against the blind leaders of their day.

You're no different from them because if the haters of Jesus and John the baptist were here today, they would still claim knowledge of such just as you're doing, even though they remain blind to the Truth

Stop justifying yourself . This is error. Youre not permitted by God or the word of God to speak guile. And to speak evil of ministers. I can't even talk with you much on this because you are still generalising. What make a man evil minister . Youre yet to tell us. Is it because of their wealth or size of church. You see, youre just shooting gun in the air. Why not define who and what he did that shows he's not of God. If not youre in sin .

Who art thou today because I'm now speaking the Truth against your blind leaders, lol!

Who and what make them blind . Educate us . Maybe we are wrong .

You remind me of those who were said to have believed in Jesus but after a short while were also said to have picked up stones to stone Him because He spake the Truth. Just in case you forgot, this was what you told me only recently.Now the same you is asking me "who art thou" lol. Now you'd know why i didn't respond to your comment then, it was deliberate. Because knowing you fully well, It was only a matter of time before you'd bite your words. But I choose to take your good advice now not to mind anybody jare (including you), and to believe that I was doing good even though my "doing good" now hurts you.

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You got me wrong . I was Just encouraging a brother thats all. I think someone said you deactivated your account because of your failed prophecy or something . I just don't feel a mistake should make you quit. I never read your posts before. Maybe I did but didnt attach it to your name. As long as you're of christ you're my brother .

Believed what? Moses was not of God? Please show me one person who did otherwise forever hold your peace.

Read the bible. Numbers 15:1-6

just like what some of you do today . Its against principle of Gods kingdom. I play by the book.

You're only deceiving yourself not someone else, if you feign ignorance of those i'm talking about, because it's because of "them" you're here. So quit the pretence!

Here for the body of christ bro.

Lol! There you go again with the pretense as if you don't know those i'm talking about. But you can keep fooling no one else but yourself with that act.

If you're blind to the Truth, how do you expect to see it? Continue following them blindly if you like, but you wouldn't say you weren't warned.

Let me help you if you're afraid to call names . You said those who are against cama . Adeboye ,against cama ,oyedepo is against cama . Kumuyi is against Cama. They are all of CAN . And CAN jointly has stood against CAMA. So are you saying every minister in CAN are mammon worshiper or only those who have large congregation. your definition is not to trap you . Its for us to begin a discussion. We shall look at scriptures together . You back up your claim with scriptures and I do likewise

jesusjnr2020:
So you now know Jesus had authority as Christ, but would you have known then?

Did the blind leaders of the blind then know Jesus had the authority to do those things He did when they asked Him who gave Him the authority to do such?

If Jesus had the authority to do so, how about John the Baptist who also called them "brood of vipers"?

How do you also know I have not been given authority to do what i do?

Because youre not the only one in such error. Jesus was prophesied as messiah John was prophesied as the forebeareer. Who art thou? .

Those who rebelled against Moses believed same thing .

You contradict yourself by showing a scripture that condemns cursing of a leader of a nation, yet you're supporting those mammon worshipping church leaders who do so, to show that this had nothing to do with that scripture, God or anything else, but blind sentiments for your blind leaders

Youre yet to define who you're talking about. Who are they? Be specific. Then we can talk . Who are these "THEM"
which one of them cursed the Government.

If you like call that an insult, but that's nothing but the Truth. Besides you can't come here and talk about me betraying Christ because of
those mammon worshipping Pharisees. That's an insult of the highest order and it's only spiritual blindness that can make you say such a thing like that. You don't really know that the blind leaders have taken over the place of Christ in your life for you to dare Imply such a thing.

As I said earlier, your choice to keep being blind, but be rest assured that the ditch is where you'd eventually end up if you don't repent but continue on that foolish path.

A word is enough for the wise.

Your talk is still vague. Deal with facts . You're yet to define your accused .

Who is the mammon worshiper . What is his name , what way did he worship mammon . As long as you don't have facts . You're only doing same things as others .

CodeTemplar:
Mention one church that doesn't run with money.

Every man's ministry isn't the same size. Some will need a 50,000 seater hall. Others will need just 100 MB per month. Ministry is different from ministry.

True

jesusjnr2020:
Lol! Betrayed Christ? What has Christ got to do with men who were planted Into the church by the devil and not Him?

Before I answer you kindly tell us Who are these men? be specific. Every minister? Or every minister of Big churches?

Maybe the modern day Pharisees have now become your Christ, since now exposing their hypocrisy and iniquity now means betraying Christ

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Thats an insult. I will let it pass

You would have said same of Jesus if you were an Israelite then, and you saw Him doing same to the Pharisees of their day

Those who still have issues to deal with in their flesh through anger, guile , insults etc always excuse their flesh by comparing themselves with Jesus . Firstly it is unscriptural to insult ministers of God .

Exodus 22:28
Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

We may open a thread on it if you want so we don't derail topic here .

Secondly A minister can only be rebuked by a senior minister or someone who have authority in that jurisdiction. It was never given for members to insult or rebuke a leader. Jesus had authority as christ . And those who take delight in spewing guile out of their blessed mouth . How can a Christian insults ministers ? Where did they get that from?

who were leaders in the only authentic House of God ever built with men's hands. You should know that they despite being leaders in God's house and highly esteemed of men like you, they were an abomination in the sight of God and were not planted in His house by Him

You have to prove this. Who are these leaders . If you cant prove it you've sinned against God and Jesus.

Hence when they were said to be offended by such things which Jesus did, Jesus said, "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."Let them alone: Let they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." Matthew 15:13-14

That is left for jesus to do. Not you . He is the one who knows each man's motive

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

today there are the likes of us also following His example and making Him proud.

Hitler said the same thing.

John 16:2
. . . the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Every man is right in his own eyes. You see from the light you were brought up. Prove all things by scripture

Maybe you don't still know that Jesus had foretold Satan's planting of his own inside Christ own church while men slept, and also that many anointed leaders of His own church would be sent back because of their works of iniquity on the last day, so would that mean Christ betraying Himself to you?

Two things you will kindly do for us . Firstly Who are these men . And prove their wrong by scripture . If you cant . You've sinned . Blasphemy

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But thank God not everyone is blind to the Truth as the likes of you.

I hear you

One more thing, Satan would be very proud of you, because you're hence serving the purpose why he planted his own inside the church.

Its rather the other way. Satan does not need to oay people to attack the church as long as certain individuals are there doing it free for him

Lastly sharing God's word or making your opinion know does not need to degenerate into fleshly manifestation .

2 Timothy 2:24
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

jesusjnr2020:
Petra1 my good friend, who's deceiving who here? Whether treasure or control, everything boils down to money

Youre wrong .

It is said that the CAMA officials Have right to suspend the trustee of churches if believe if they notice what they term as "wrong "

They can appoint trustees and Can add trustees (imagine an alhaji as church trustee)

They can Suspend leadership of a church .

This is not by court trial oh. But as they deem fit .

If they see you have saving account . Unused it can be tramsfer to CAC.

They reserve the right to transfer property.

They are indirectly taking over the church.

Any Christian backing such insult have betrayed christ .

Men of God put their lives in the work. Especially those who operate in certain gifts such as mitaxle ,healing or prophetic . They receive gifts and money which they put in the church. This is not tithes or offering .

Is such not operational in some other nations where his church branches are? So why all the fuss about the same happening here in Nigeria?

You will as well support the ban in public preaching just because its obtainable in another country. Ask the early church about about total submission to every law . You must know that the enemy is behind such laws . Secondly it was not like that in other nation until the enemy overan the governments ,too over and began to make anti church laws. Once upon a time in UK. Laws were pro church. TV stations were not allowed to operate on Sundays until 12 noon so that people can go to church.
Same UK has been taken over by the enemy. And you're using such law as reference. the is trying to take over government worldwide and some Christians dont see it.

If you spent as much time defending Jesus as you do these modern day Pharisees, you'd be in a much better place. If you can't clearly see the rot in the church, then you really have to ask yourself some questions

Wrong again . In all my post i defend the faith. It doesn't matter what denominations. I defend the body of Jesus. Thats what a soulwinner should do . Not attacking the body alongside with the enemy

jesusjnr2020:
Jesus said:

Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)

So Jesus advised men especially those of His church against laying up of treasures here on Earth because He very well knew such treasures would be vulnerable to corruption and thieves. Hence the likes of Peter and John who were the leaders of His church heeding His advice, and not laying up their treasures on the Earth but in heaven, so that their treasures would not be vulnerable to such.

Therefore if present day church leaders foolishly chose to do the otherwise and laid up treasures for themselves on Earth, despite that Jesus the Master had advised against such, and their earthly treasures were being threatened by corruption and thieves as Jesus had warned would happen to such, they'd have no else to blame but themselves, because they had chosen to despise these very wise sayings of Jesus.

God bless.

Cama is not about treasure but control. Secular world cannot run spiritual affairs. Its not of God . It has no regard for big or small churches .

Hope has come. God never lack himself a witness for every generation. I've been praying for the next generation of Christ tarries

lastchild:
Why is almost everything enjoyed in the world called sin? 


I know a pastor currently being punished in his church for watching bbnaija and tweeting about it when everyother person is free to watch 


My cousin attended "night of a thousand laugh" and the church demoted him from the position he held


When an unbeliever is seen with a woman, everybody hails him and when a believer is seen, everybody persecutes him 


I went to bet9ja shop to book a game, I saw one of the people I preached to, the guy was surprised, he said am not supposed to be here while he was with his own bet slip 


I know a priest whom was termed worldly and imoral just because he always play psquare songs in his car, while everyother person is free to play any type of song 


I traveled to Ghana, imidiately I arrived, I felt free because no one knows me here and I realized that I've been in prison and now free to be myself 


Is their anyone else feeling this imprisoned as a believer?

Your battle is with carnality. Your true character shows up when you're in a place nobody knows you.

FreshGreen:
THE WRONG PERSPECTIVE.........please read this.
Which one is the largest: A Peanut, An Elephant, The Moon, or A Kettle?

You didnt talk about the kettle and peanut

Samostical:
H. Now, its Just 2months with Him. His attitude and emphasis on Business messages is getting me bored. JESUS is not the center of the preaching, Prosperity is. I don't know What else to do. I'm getting confused and quitting here now will not be good because he pays me a little token for my services though he makes me feel too inferior and scared with His attitude. Help me.

To my understanding the message of prosperity is part of Gods plan . I dont know why its upseting you. Most Padtor preach in series. This nonth he is on one topic like evangelism next month he's on another topic . Don't use the topic of the hour to jusde a man

OtemAtum:
Your pastors rob the gullible peters(church members) to pay the wise pauls(church full time workers). Get that straight, it's not hard to understand.

That is not robbery . That is welfare. Don't you get paid?

OtemAtum:
No matter what the churches do, the fact remains that they are robbing Peter(the poor) to pay Paul(themselves).

You're wrong. Robbing who? People give to worship God. Its a Christian thing and we do it joyfully. Don't your babalawos and alfas collect money? .

dukeprince50:
he is right that black is a colour, he should also know that black is a complexion too

Is Your complexion black or brown. Are you dudu? . . . . .sorry ..............dudus

kingxsamz:
So chloroquine is no longer the cure?

There are several cures. FDA has not approved the use for emergency use . Thats why trump encouraged thousands of people to sign for the use if it for emergency.

kingxsamz:
Oh, it's no more chloroquine again? ...
Petra1, what do you have to say about this?

The cure for covid 19 is Cheap . The FDA had delayed approval of many potent recommendations. Its a good thing they start adopting these innovation instead of the Bill Gate RNA vaccine

Newupdate:
An interesting article I just read:
Nigerian Church pastors, their luxury lifestyles and private jets (Photos)

Nigerian prosperity pastors have emerged among the wealthiest pastors in the world,

Nigerian politicians are among the richest in the world ... what has government done about that

alphaNomega:
Okay, where in your holy comic book is the cure for this pandemic stated

Pro 4:20 — Pro 4:22
Psalm 103:3

Preciousgirl:
John 15:16

[16]You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.

I don't know if the teaching by xproducer goes along with the question of the OP.

Predestination in God is for everybody. Not selected people. Man still has a choice to say yes or No. Predestination does not mean God makes our decisions. It doesn't not mean God rejects some people from being saved .

martineverest:
unbelievers can't..... they will allow a Muslim to run affairs of the defaulting imam's and Christian to run affairs of the church

Its Asumption

martineverest:
if the pastor breaks the law... especially financial impropriety, then government can take measures.

pls, the CAMA isn't meant for Christians alone...but Muslims,NGOs like orphanage homes

If a pastor break the law. He can face jail term or fine and still continue his ministry. But not a situation when unbelievers take over helms of affairs or leadership

martineverest:
u clearly don't understand the law.. the same law is attainable in USA and Europe and oyedepo obeyed,y are they so particular about Nigeria

Wrong, have you hear American commission changing church leadership?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXp02I4JiGg