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JMAN05: Having an archangel's voice. This agrees with the context

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Which context?"Having the Trumpet of God nko"?you apply one you leave one?..So how does it sound?Jesus will be sounding the trumpet too?

JMANO5: I hope i am not speaking with a kid here? So you ve not read Jesus asking logical question before?

And so,you are Now Jesus abi? Who is the kid here?

"It says the lord comes "with an archangel's voice".
Viewing this to mean that a voice was accompanying
Jesus, Is that not to say that Jesus' own voice cant
raise the dead , that it lacks command?

You are Wrong,thats nt what i mean..In The days old,God has told a Prophet to speak to dry bones and they had life,Same With Elijah...You are in misconception here..God can raise the Dead wit ur voice,it doesnt mean that it is your voice that Raised the dead;God did...

So your almighty Godman needs an angel to accompany him so as to raise the dead he promised to resurrect?

He doesnt bro..He can do it Himself,but just like you said,God has planned it so..

Will the MC anounce with the voice of the couples?

No...So,what else are u arguing about?

" Does it make sense to state that one who has authority
like Jesus would need an angel's voice to resurrect the
dead? Who is more powerful, Jesus or the angel?"

Bro, you can answer that urself "To fulfill all righteousness"...Dont know where u are going...Why does God need human allies When he has billions of angels in heaven who obey him?

. The sincere mind will tell himself the truth.

Exactly... You didnt read That "1Thessalonian4:16" with other Translations,and it is showing in your constant repetition of the same line==>with the voice of the archangel..Like i said Earlier,read that passage with upto 4different translation..Diversify Yourself!!

To me I think [/b]John writes according to
what appears in his eyes, not that he doesnt know whom
the person is. [b]At chapter 12, Jesus appeared as an
archangel

@first bolded,stop Thinking,start knowing..

@second bolded,the Bible doesnt say so..And like i said,the Word "archangel" was not used in Revelation..Since you said John was describing according to What he saw,Why didnt he describe Michael in that scene as having any of Jesus' qualities throughout the Book of Revelation?

He appeared as an archangel, that was why he didnt bother calling him Jesus

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Really?Seems like you didnt read the remaining Verse's in that chapter!!

Now, you said that you saw Jesus in verse 10, and I agreed with you, but i now said that it was an angel that called that Jesus not John. Even the angel there did not see Jesus, he was just explaining to John why he shouldnt bow to him.

Seriously bro,what were saying there?@bolded..It seems to me you are conflicting your statements..

As for your question whether he changes to michael and then changes to Jesus cbrist. In revelation he even has some other descriptions apart from these two.

So did Revelation say he changed to Michael?

Pls pls pls, respond according to the issue being discussed so that i dont waste my time reminding you all agan.

I have been giving you detailed replies..Cant say same of You..

Notice the word "something", not somebody. That second definition applies when we talk about something, while the second definition comes in when somebody/something accompanying something else.

Bro,put it in Place of "With".....The nearest in Meaning to "With" in English language is "Accompanied by",and in that 1Thessalonia4:16,when you apply it to the two "WITH{s}" There,The sentence still retain its original Meaning...

Using your "Having"meaning,Here is what the passage luks like:
"For The Lord Himself will Descend from Heaven {Having} a shout,{Having} the Voice of an archangel,and {Having} the trumpet of God,And the Dead in Christ will rise First"
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Mine:accompanied by;
"For The Lord Himself will descend from heaven{accompanied by} a Shout,{accompanied by} the Voice of The Archangel,{accompanied by} the trumpet of God,and the Dead in Christ will rise first"
so how does it now sound to You?
Which of them has retained the original meaning of the verse?Bro,this verse is simple to understand...Use your head! English is reali very easy to understand!!

JMANO5: 1. Of course archangel didnt appear there. That doenst change the truth that michael is that archangel

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Same with Jophiel too..That his name wasnt mentioned there doesnt mean it is not him who was described..Unless you are now saying there are nameless angels..
Peace!

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Oh Yeah Bro..Cant Wait for My Fav Winchester Boys,and our dear old Beloved Angel{not anymore} Castiel....Cant Wait to Return to the World of The Supernatural

blackchukky: Its simply because haters derive [b]orgasm [/b]from seeing the rival club lose

Hahahahahaha! @heavenly Feeling lol.....But You see a Man U fan happy that Barca lost in Laliga,even though he is not affiliated to Madrid,and Barca aint contending no Title With Him in Epl?.....

I wonder Same...Maybe they feel it wont get a lot of Traffic....But i believe Barcelona and Madrid have enough Fans in Nairaland judging by their Fanpage stats...
I will hope They Start Making Front Page...I mean Liverpool vs Southampton gets to Fp,and at the end gets 1500-2000 views,Whereas High Profile Matches like Barcelona vs Sevilla,Barcelona vs Athletico Madrid,Barcelona vs Real Sociedad,Real Madrid vs Athletico Madrid,Madrid vs Getafe,Madrid vs Getafe;dont make it to the Fp.......
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To me,i think they think it wont draw Traffic cuz of Lesser Fanbase...But they might be Wrong!!

I know maybe as a Man United fan,you always want Chelsea to Loose Match..As a Real Madrid fan,you Want FcBarcelona to lose..As a Liverpool or Arsenal or Chelsea or FcBarcelona,you want your rivals to be losing everytime,but that of FcBarcelona and Chelseafc are marked out...People feel happy that Barca has lost a Match even When they are not Madrid fans,or any La Liga Club fan,and vice-versa...
So,my question is Why?

[quote author=la_creame]ozo emeka, how long have you stayed in nigeria?
did you school here?
have you ever worked here?
Did u stay in a rental apartment when you came over?

if no, then pls do not talk like you know what its like to be a nigerian...



as for peeps that want to leave this country pls do, my relatives there are making it. its not abt your location, if you are hard working and smart you will succeed.
unlike naija where you struggle everyday and sometimes dont see any light at d end of the tunnel, over there you can grow and definitely get paid for your hardwork cs there is less corruption. if its that bad over there then let them cm home, , they are there saying dont come over.lok[/quote]Seems to me You have not been reading this Thread or seeing this thread as What it is...
@first bolded,Who told you? Them right?Try and visit them and see things for yourself...
@2nd bolded,my brother,only a lazy man will not make it in Nigeria...The thing is,most Nigerian youths want fast cash,fast everythin,usually influenced by What they see on Tv...
Bro,just like the Op has said,unless you have money before going to America,you will definitely be better off staying in Nigeria...Laziness,thats what is killing most people here...

[quote author=obadiah777][/quote]Bro,Nineveh and Bethsaida existed...Therefore,if God wanted to do an allegory,He wouldnt use real Places or real Events....For instance,THE PARABLES were specifically called Parables cuz they didnt happen,but it was used as Lesson...Whatever interpretation you are giving it outside of what it represents is your out of your own pathetic thoughts....You dont sit in that ur tiny rooms and speak of Existed places as Allegory or symbolic whatever!!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineveh
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethsaida

thehomer: I waited but your lord didn't call. What happened? Didn't you tell him to call? Or wasn't he there to make the call? What excuse will you make for him next?

He Kept you alive to see this morning,givin u another opportunity to come back to Him...Some people couldnt make it to this morning cuz they died from their sleep..You dont know the Battle He fought,He fights and is still fighting over you...You are not better than Those who died last night..You were not even aware of What happened in the 6-8hrs you slept...BUT YOU WOKE UP....The Lord God has called You!!

thehomer: Tell your God to reach me on my mobile. I'm sure he has my number. I'll be expecting him to call me within an hour after this post is made. When he calls, I'll let you know the substance of our discussion.

Do not Put The Lord Your God to Test!! But since you have done that Already,Wait and See!!!....

thehomer: Well with this rambling and poorly thought out response I have little to add to your ignorant display.
Good luck to you in your pursuit of ignorance.

Onye ara na akpo onye ara onye ara na ebe o na apu ala!!
I knew That was what you will say,and you did....
Many have taken your path,and it led them to no Where!! Repent,and seek Your God,your Creator! For ye know not how you came to be....Some of Your mates were terminated at Conception....
Jeremiah31:20 "Israel{thehomer},you are My dearest Son,the child i love best.Whenever i mention your name,i think of you with Love.My heart goes out to you;i will be merciful"..
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Jeremiah33:3 "call to me,and i will answer You;i will tell you Wonderful Things that you know Nothing about"....
The Lord God is still open,to welcome u back,that thou might be saved from Eternal Damnation,and shame Satan....

thehomer: Have I stopped you from posting or anything? Why don't you allow those that don't believe in this God of yours be?
I'm ignorant for questioning whether a man can live in a fish for three days? Please stop exposing your gullibility to the public.

Oh yeah,all your statements are full of Ignorance!! You are Worldly,thats why you Think Worldly!
Ignorants like You believe everything they see on Google(updated by humans),yet you Find it hard to believe Word Of God or That God exist!!
You were carried for 9months in your mums tummy..You enter the World(you dont even how it was made)..You grow up..You go out,you come in..You eat,you sleep..You go to toilet,You browse,you download,and you walk around..You read whatever you see,And you do whatever pleases you...And You Think Everything is well with you!!
Satan rejoice over You because,you have made his work Easier..You already is his,and so he doesnt bother about you anymore,he has cuffed you,and blind you....
But,GOD is a merciful God,he still wants you to be Saved,as there is still time....Many Greatmen have taken your Path,and they Saw that They Were Wrong at their Death Bed...
As you are,you are not even up to SIGMUND FREUD,both in perception of the World and formulating of Theories That seem right to the Eye,and pleasing to the ears and heart,and that doesnt please God:infact he has books all over the world,speaking Profane things....But,Go and Read and See What Happened in his last few minutes before His Death...
Repent while there is time,REMEMBER,NO REPENTENCE IN THE GRAVE!!.......
"A fool says in his heart;There is no God"...

obadiah777: not with philfearon around, it wouldn't. he is a clown

oh by the way philfearon is a perpetual scoffer of mine

Smh!
You are repugnant to nature itself,Thats why you are full of Repudiation and Repulsion....and Yeah,i will be Around to expose your Erroneous Teachings and silly Philosophies..

obadiah777: modify the quote. i modified my post slightly

didnt see anytin different!

Somehow,am happy Messi got injured,and somehow,am not happy....
1.This will give us the Chance to test The real reason Why we Splashed €57m on Neymar...
2.Pro-Messi:Lets see again how Martino will operate without Messi..I think its a Real test for him
3..Lets see how the other squad members will fair within this period;Messi alwaz has a way of bringing out the best in them While on the Pitch!
4.Neymar...I want to see him play Without Messi,lets see if he will now explode a bit as there is no Messi to Pass the ball to....
5..You guys should stop Mentioning Pep's name..To me,he left Barca when we needed him the Most!! Fu.c.k Sabbatical!!

obadiah777: means they preached the gospel and still had enough energy to go and preach some more which they did immediately after that as they went to another place to preach some more. the word is inexhaustible. no rest required

john 9 vs 4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

mark 2 vs 19 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days. <<< no resting ( fasting ) while Christ is around. when he leaves they have many days to fast ( rest ). fasting means abstaining from whatever it is you do on a normal basis which for them was preaching. so no fasting ( no break from preaching ) so long as christ was around. hence why the pharisees asked him why does he not let his disciples ever rest ? and he said they would rest when he has gone

Bro Mathew14:13-21 and Mark6:30-44 and Luke9:10-17 is very simple to understand....Whatever else you are adding to the passage,[YOU ARE "ON YOUR OWN"==>OYO]
The Three Synoptic gospels all reported and agreed on this event as happening......Stop Confusing Yourself,and stop Making The scripture difficult for yourself to Understand!!

obadiah777: i would tell you what the fish represents but to break it down seeing as the book of jonah is 4 chapters deep would require a herculean effort. but the fish represents the roman empire.

There is no end to your confusion....Now,i trully know you are Lost!! Satan must be trully happy!![but,there is still time to come back to God bro]
...So,all the Works of Jesus on earth is now Allegory?
God,forgive You bro....I wonder Why you Believe in God...You Stink of Hypocrisy bro...AND REPUGNANCY IS YOUR NAME!!....
May God help You....You are very far off,and like Paul,Jesus must Surely Arrest You one day!!

obadiah777: oh yes Jesus feeding five thousand people with 5 loaves and 2 fish is an allegory. what is fish ? ( to fish for souls ) what is oil ? what is milk ? what is bread ? what is meat ? what is oil ? they all mean THE WORD. so when he fed five thousand people with 5 loaves and 2 fishes, its allegory speech for saying 'he preached the word to 5000 people'


JOHN 6 VS 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

1}So,what happened to The Leftovers{12baskets} that Were Picked by the apostles? What is your allegorical explanation of it?

obadiah777: oh no sire. its called precept upon precept. the bible is a puzzle that you have to fit together. a jigsaw puzzle

Bro,The Bible isnt some Puzzle to be fit together!..
I wonder whats the Difference between you and an Atheist!!
.....You believe in God,yet you dont believe in His wonders.....Shaking my head for you!!
Very soon,You will say That Jesus' feeding of Five Thousand People with 5loaves and 2Fish is allegory too.....And then,you will spread it to the Whole Bible!!

dr dams: U sound more lyk a philosophical bible analyst.

@OBADIAH777

...Thats Exactly What He{Obadiah777} is bro===>"a philosophical bible analyst"

obadiah777: oh ok like is it an allegory or a real story ? of course it is an allegory. isnt it obvious ? you ever seen a man live in a fish for 3 days ?

I see!!

obadiah777: i dont moderate peoples opinions. this aint no gestapo outfit sire

What i mean is:
Have you no Thing to Say on The Topic?

obadiah777: na so i see am sire

I see.....
And you are Here they are making Caricature of Our Almighty God,YHWH?

obadiah777: the great [size=4pt]reprobate[/size] philfearon is here

See your head!.......So,you are a mod?

thehomer: So Jonah lived in an ordinary fish for three days? How big do you think Jonah was?

Its very clear you dont believe in God...Allow those that believe in Him be...Stop disgracing your ignorance in Public...

Delafruita: are u for real?a man in the belly of a fish for 3 frigging days?

is it hard to believe?
People are stuck in the Sub-saharan desert for 21days without water,in the fullness of The Suns scorching heat!!
A woman carries a child for 9months-14months,yet their tummy dont burst!!
The Whole World walks on the Earth surface,yet it doesnt sink!!
Ships Sail on seas,yet they do not Sink,unless a heavy storm comes!!
Airplanes fly!!
You stay in that your tiny Room and type and send a post,yet i see it from my Location.......
Seriously,you guys that Think you are Logical end up thinking like Fools!!
There are Billions of Things yet,that you cant explain...Stop Making a caricature of Christians!!

Am More interested from Mathew23:13 upwards,which is all about Accusations and Condemnation and Judgement.......
THEREFORE,obadiah777,Mosthigh,Meilyn and your cohorts: Show thy face{s} in this thread!!