₦airaland Forum

TheEqualizer:
I don't know and I don't think I'm interested in knowing.

Can we stick to the topic? Whatever grouse y'all have with Yoruba is your prerogative. My post was based on the thread and I haven't edited it. It is still on the first page.

Well it is very much on topic. I would call what they wear a shirt as well. Which totally obliterates your argument as to what is Unafrican.
Also i daresay that the Agbada's Yoruba's wear a lot of,was borrowed. Which takes us back to the claim that fashion is not static

theenii:
what i know definitely is i have never seen a non Ibo bride wearing a traditional igbo wedding attires ,go check on weddings blogs on facebook and Ig you will see many non Yorubas rocking the iro and buba and aso oke for their wedding, btw,no one can mix up the aso oke with any other fabric,aso oke it's simply unique and colourful.Yoruba traditional wedding attires is simply the best even non Nigerians rocks it

To add:
That you haven't seen doesn't mean it isn't there. You just have to open your eyes.
Someone earlier on this thread implied that women's head gear is Yoruba. Meanwhile most ethnic groups in Africa wear headgear and have names for it. Igbo's call it Ichafu. I think the problem is claiming as exclusively, yours, what isn't. If none Nigerians wear something that appears similar to Iro and buba, it probably evolved independently and they have their name(s) for it. Just ask them what it is called and educate yourself, instead of claiming blindly

TheEqualizer:
Okay, since you insist, what is African about shirt?

Is shirt, especially the one worn by the Ibo groom, an African style?

Let me too ask you my own question. What is the upper body covering of Yoruba men called and what is its source?

TheEqualizer:
Most fabrics are borrowed, what makes it yours (own them) is how you use them to create styles that define you. Ghanaian Kente is Chinese fabric but they owned it based on the style they created with it which is Ghanaian. You can make the same argument for all European clothes because cotton isn't European.

The styles aren't African. Do you get my point now? Shirt is European, same for t-shirt, blazer, and suit.

No I do not get you. Fashion is ever evolving and not static.
Changi is a style created by us. To follow your logic, the upper body covering worn by Yoruba men can be dismissed as a shirt, as well.

BTW, what is the upper body covering of Yoruba men, called? Abada/agbada is worn traditionally by Northerners as well as people from a lot of West African countries (mostly Muslim) such as Senegal. So where can we say is the source?

cutietokunbo:
Check out Igbo and Northern traditional weddings in recent time and the reality of my submission ll instantly hit you straight up; from women headgears to Yoruba Women BUBA.

I am glad you wrote "women headgear" Most women in Africa have traditionally worn scarf or head covering. The Igbo's call it Ichafu and I am sure most other ethnicities have their name for it. Most of the scarfs that are currently worn are from an imported fabric that is stiff and sort of shiny. So you can stop claiming now.
P.S. This tradition of wearing head covering was so prevalent all over Africa that it was brought to the America's and the Carribean Islands by slaves

theenii:
what i know definitely is i have never seen a non Ibo bride wearing a traditional igbo wedding attires ,go check on weddings blogs on facebook and Ig you will see many non Yorubas rocking the iro and buba and aso oke for their wedding, btw,no one can mix up the aso oke with any other fabric,aso oke it's simply unique and colourful.Yoruba traditional wedding attires is simply the best even non Nigerians rocks it

It's a good thing that you don't mix it up. When you see Akwete, credit it for what it is.

TheEqualizer:
Bring your A game when you are engaging me.

I said the rest aren't 100% African but the items I suggested aren't exclusive to one group. So why the need to get defensive when the Ibo isn't the only one wearing a shirt?

What the Igbo guy is wearing isn't a shirt, in the sense of a western shirt. It is called Changi and has clear sufferers cars from a Western shirt ( as I pointed out in an earlier post)

TheEqualizer:
Attractive to me has to be of African origin exclusively even if the fabric is borrowed and it has to be something I can wear.

You contradict yourself. Something can't be of African origin, exclusively, if the fabric is borrowed

Ihuomadinihu:
Akwaocha,Akwete and so many others were here before any Scottish man you are taking about. Don't let ancient pictures deceive you.
Besides,nudity is akin to man irrespective of geographical location. It doesn't signify development. Most of the world's greatest civilization cherished little or no clothes from Mespotamia to Indus valley to Egypt to Rome sef!

That is correct. The use of Akwaocha (a specially woven white cloth) and akwa ete has waned a little. Here is hoping for a full scale, revival

Ihuomadinihu:
Tying wrappers like Indians i.e over one shoulder has always been a part of African culture esp Igbo. It didn't come to us from india. That is for people that believe Africans were naked before the coming of the white man.

100% agree

cutietokunbo:
Lies from pit of hell. It has been part of Scottish cultural values which was brought to Nigeria during their missionary sojourn.

It is pure ignorance to ascribe Tying wrappers over one shoulder to Scots alone. What would you call the Greek Toga?

Igbo's tie wrapper over one shoulder, Ghanians do it and I am sure there are others who do it as well. And all of this, they evolved independently.

How many ways are there to even tie wrapper? It's nonsensical to assert that that people couldn't figure this out and were waiting for the Scots

Ihuomadinihu:
You throw words around like a child,honestly. These words 'mentally unstable,insecurity, prejudice,dementia are uncalled for in a simple arguement and discussion. That shows your low level of maturity and intellect. Using these words randomly does not strenghten nor validate your comments and opinion.
As for igbo and shirts,i already explained it. In the marriage setting,it is part of the attire. During dances and other rituals,men can go without any shirts. I don't see how you are an authority on what is African and what is not African.
I corrected something that has been entrenched deep inside the brains of Nigeria. There is a difference between igbo and ibo,not just in spelling but in pronouciation. Igbo people have already corrected that and want to be addressed as Igbo not ibo. How does it equate insecurity? Do you address yourself based on what people erroneously call you or how you want to be addressed?
You think Ibo sounds better cos Europeans say so? Well then Yurba,Yoloba and Yoro-ba sounds better as well.
You are the demented soul here. Only kids will call people naked when they know nothing about those people.

What they are calling shirt is called changi (pronounced changee) among the Ugwuta people of Imo State. I believe Kalabari call it otoobo. It is ignorant to wave it away as a "shirt", after all any covering of the body can be deemed a shirt, even the upper body covering worn by Yoruba's.
It is to be noted that changi does not have a collar, is usually mid thigh length or longer and usually the sleeves end just below the elbow as opposed to wrist length

theenii:
Oh well,i prefer the Yoruba traditional wedding attires most especially the aso oke,very gorgeous and beautiful even non Yorubas rocks it aswell

Igbo's have akwa ete, which some people mistakenly think is aso oke. The town of Akwete in Abia state gets its name from that as they are master weavers of akwa ete and have been for hundreds of years

Nowenuse:
Also, based on the 5 major human geographical divisions we have in Nigeria

The Core-northern part of Nigeria, the Middlebelt part, Eastern, Western & Niger deltan

Let's say Margaret Ekpo represents the Niger deltan region as an Ibibio
Ladi Kwali represents the Middlebelt region as a Gbagyi woman
& Funmilayo Kuti represents the Western (yoruba speaking region)

I'd like to hear from Igbos (easternerns) and the Hausa-fulanis (core-northernerns), who are the most influential Igbo & Hausa-fulani women that ever lived??

Aren't you the OP?

Did you read your article before you posted it?

Margaret was Igbo. Obiasulor was her maiden name. Ekpo was her married name

babyosisi:
The man must be mad

Real wicked man. He doesn't want her to have another child, yet wants to take her only one from her

AkanIgbo:
What you say makes perfectly good sense when reading about the transplanting of people during colonialism. The problem that I have is that black people divide themselves more than the White man can divide them. There was no difference between Colonialism in Africa and the Atlantic Slave trade for black people. If during Colonialism an Igbo man was forced to leave Nigeria and go to work in Ghana and then he met and married a Akan women and had kids; how is that any different than an Igbo man on a plantation in the USA during the slave era marrying an Akan woman and having kids?

I understood her point though.

In my eyes, there is no difference

nastyesco:
They keep spreading false information all to get internet traffic and cheap popularity. At least these ones came out to retract the statement and apologize.

That Media house should be shut down. The Nigerian media, for the most part, has no integrity and that has to change

jayfolarin:
In soyinka's shoes, I would not let this go until thecable or thetable goes under for good. More injury has been inflicted than this pathetic apology can cure.

Senseless people with no form of journalistic integrity. You don't go about toying with people's hard earned reputation coz of paper sales and/or tribal hate.

More pathetic are the unreasonable slowpokes on nairaland that bank on any pitiable print from wee-brains like themselves to lash out at the yorubas and their icons without any form of story verification. *In Mama peace' voice* Your brains are dead and you should all bury your heads in shame.

Stop being hypocritical
You can only blame one side if the other stayed aloof. However there were myriad Yoruba's who went on that thread to affirm that all Igbo's are indeed greedy and that the "statements" about them were a true representation of facts.
What the Yoruba's should have done was to disavow such statements on behalf of Wole Soyinka. You can't affirm it, curse Igbo people on top of it and them expect the same people to become apologetic, later on.

The people to blame here are the journalist and maybe the person that posted the info on Nairaland. EOD

Forwetinnah:
The 'come and be going" part is so true. Still laughing

I don't know about other Nigerian languages but a lot of times in Igbo speech patterns, you will hear people saying: Bia na ma/ Bia na ba, which literally translates to come and be going. And they are more likely to tell you "Bia na ma" when they are getting inpatient and/or frustrated with you

shadowhunter15:
Lol it definetly does make someone more African. Stop trying to claim something you have no right to claim. And don't lie, most blacks mock and hate anything related to Africa. I've never met a black who associate themselves with Africa. And by the way, you guys are Americans regardless of how US views you. Leave the actual African immigrants with that title.

Like really, I don't understand posts like this.
You say most Blacks mock and hate anything related to Africa. Well, most is not All.
Also, from your post it would appear that you do not like when such an attitude is directed toward you. So why are you doing the same thing you do not like being done to you?

@Akanigbo and Glamrock, the majority of Nigerians are welcoming and accommodating. However, one can get a skewed perception when reading on an online form.

Also as an aside: most Africans that are resident in Africa, today, are not mixed. Africans are very diverse when it comes to looks and this diversity is not due to admixture. Fulani's are not mixed. Wolofs aren't. Somali's and Ethiopians aren't (for the most part) Arabs, Indians and Persians came from them and not the other way around. When I look at the San people of the Kalahari (with their epicanthic eyelids and prominent cheekbones), I see the ancestors of The Chinese, Koreans and Japanese. Life began in Africa and all of the different looks in the world originated from Africa and are still represented on the Continent till date.

@Akanigbo, this is how ethnicity is determined in most of Africa which is patrilineal. You are from where your father is, irrespective of where you were born. Accordingly, an Igbo, Hausa or Yoruba man will give birth to Igbo, Hausa and Yoruba children regardless of where those children are born or where their mother is from.

Things are more relaxed now, such that even if you are related to a people through the matrilineal line and you learn the language and the culture and identify with that group, you are of that group.

If Glamrock learns Fulani and identifies as Fulani, then she is Fulani. Nobody can take that away from her.
If you learn Igbo language and culture and identify as Igbo, then you are Igbo.

AkanIgbo:
I am pretty sure that you know that the USA has people of Nigerian ancestry here? Right?

what she meant is that people from the same ethnic group where split up and put in different "countries" during the scramble for Africa. So you can see cousins who live half a mile apart and yet are labeled as being from 2 different countries. In effect, DNA similarities would.d be because these are the same people and not necessarily as a result of admixture

PAGAN9JA:


which still makes them mixed. they have no ethnicity or tribe.

That is completely wrong. You that say you are Hausa, may be mixed with a little Kanuri or even Bambara. Does that mean you have no ethnicity or tribe? Being off standish never fit anybody, anywhere

quimicababes:
I don't know how genuine this interest is in terms of claiming African descendants in the Caribbean for both Yorubas and Igbos or if it is merely bragging points but those who are more interested in history there is a historian by the name of Maureen Warner Lewis who wrote a book titled "Archibald Monteath: Igbo, Jamaican, Moravian" and for Yorubas she wrote "Trinidad Yoruba: From Mother-Tongue to Memory".

She also wrote a book titled "Central Africa in the Caribbean: Transcending Time, Transforming Cultures" which mentions to a small extent Yorubas and Igbos (in the sense of Bight of Biafra).She gives a percentage breakdown of some ethnic groups during certain years that arrived in some Caribbean countries.The Igbos are very right when they say Jamaica has a sizable amount of Igbo descendants and that includes Trinidad where we had 41.2% from the Bight of Biafra in 1813 (note all can't be assumed to be Igbo as that same historian mentioned Ibibio influence in some Caribbean cultures).From the book St.Lucia also received quite an amount of folks from the Bight of Biafra.

Quite a bit of the Yorubas who came to Trinidad didn't come as slaves but as Indentured servants like East Indians in the 1800s.

Note the book emphasis is on Central Africa however as they have a much larger influence due to the fact they were at least 44.2% of the Africans who were shipped as cargo during the slave trade.

The book can be downloaded at http://www.ebook3000.com/Central-Africa-in-the-Caribbean--Transcending-Space--Transforming-Culture_255961.html

It is long btw...428 pages

Oh goody! Thanks for the link

OneNaira6:
He deliberately avoided posting the link or name of his exempts cause he knows even it kicked his @ss. Too bad he forgot you can actually trace down a book based on the quotes from it. he tried to be a cunningly snake like moat of his peeps and it back fired on him. Lok

LOL! Forgery gone wrong

OneNaira6:
From that same book. The same place where you got that quote said and I quote, also posted above for verification.

"Igbo men were depised and the igbo women loved. Though igbo men sales was about the same rate as the women until it dropped due to preference for the women".

Also on that exact book, it equally stated and I wuote, also posted for reference, "igbo were not "refuse" slaves actually preferred because of the independent stance of the igbo women".

Nigga maybe next time actually read the entire portion of the book before jumping to it.

There are several books justifying that igbo women were docile and actually wanted by the slave master. Likewise, the same for other rebellious slave group women. Name one slave rebellion that started by women? We are talking about the men or did you forget what the convo was about aka SLAVE REBELS.

Even from your own post book it actually stated igbo men were depised. Try harder. We are still waiting.

Btw: avoiding to post the link or name where you get your exempts ain't going to stop us from researching what you provided. we all saw what you tried to do there. Thank God for Google books

Don't mind the anumanu. Misquoting and contradicting himself all over the place. Babyosisi had already posted the google book source where it said Igbo males where despised. She actually posted a screen shot of the page. Leave him to continue typing his falsified rubbishing. While falsifying, he tripped himself up by contradicting himself. Uburu kpoi kpoi

sukkot:
anyway am outtt like last year. it was nice kicking your ass my biafran friends. a lesson in humility was dished out tonight. be more humble and you will have less enemies

Okay, run away with your tail between your legs. Typical!

Post the original article you have been singing about all through this thread and not that contradictory BS you posted

sukkot:
LISTEN you can either face the reality or keep deluding yourself. there is a reason why virginians only wanted ibo slaves and it wasnt because they were rebellious. accept it or leave it. but you were not the brave people you like to pretend you are. YOU WERE TRACTABLE during your slavery in USA


tractable
[trak-tuh-buh l]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
easily managed or controlled; docile; yielding:
a tractable child; a tractable disposition.
2.

Repeat after me:

PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO COMMIT SUICIDE ARE NOT TRACTABLE.

Get that through your thick skull

sukkot:
yes but the ones in america which is the point of this argument ( VIRGINIA ) were docile like kids and thats why americans mostly wanted ibo slaves. the man who wrote this has a best seller book on the slave trade mmkayyyy and lived during that era and am sure knows a lot more than you and i combined

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/156479?uid=3739560&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21106260513451

No they were not docile. Here is documentation about the mass suicide at Solomon Island. And there were other cases as well

“...dey bring duh Ibos [Igbos] obuh [over] in a slabe [slave] ship, an’ wen dey git yuh [here], dey ain’ lak [like] it, an’ so dey all staht singin an’ deh mahch right down in duh ribbuh [river] tuh mahch back tuh Africa, but dey ain’ able to git deah. Dey gits drown.” – Floyd White, native of St Simon’s Island, Georgia (published in “Drums and Shadows”, 1940)

P.S. And the slaves that landed in Virginia were sometimes sent North or South, so no need trying to limit anything to Virginia. The discussion was about the U.S.A

sukkot:
two guys wrote the article. one of them has a book on the slave trade. colin palmer. the white guy colin palmer is the one who wrote about the ibos being tractable in USA. the other guy is in the carribeans who says they are suicidal

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/156479?uid=3739560&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21106260513451

But there were well documented suicides at Solomon Island in the U.S. So I call BS on the Americans assertion.
When a person would rather die than be subjected to something, such a person is clearly , intractable. The biggest sacrifice one can make is with ones own life mmmkay!

sukkot:
ok here is an excerpt from one of the articles



But female Igbo were valued as more emotionally stable than the men, and
hard workers. If we look closer at marketing patterns and other data, we see a
strikingly different image of the Igbo in various regions of the Americas. In
some places, they were especially prized. Colin Palmer’s study of the British
asiento slave trade to the Spanish Colonies (17?-1739) (ADD correct dates)
makes it clear that Spanish purchasers bought only prime Africans for whom
they paid the highest prices. Palmer wrote:,
“The Ibo . . .were considered tractable and hence were highly sought
after by some of the slaveholders in the Americas.”ii
Moreau de St-Mery wrote that while some St. Domingue planters
hesitated to buy Igbo slaves because of their suicidal tendencies, others
preferred them because they were very attached to each other


OK LETS GOOGLE THE WORD ' TRACTABLE '



tractable
[trak-tuh-buh l]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
easily managed or controlled; docile; yielding:
a tractable child; a tractable disposition.
2.
easily worked, shaped, or otherwise handled; malleable.


THERE GO DOCUMENTATION FOR YOU. I HAVENT FOUND THE ONE I AM LOOKING FOR YET THOUGH BUT I WILL KEEP SEARCHING

Where is the link o?
And what you posted up there is rubbish and contradictory at best.

How can people be suicidal and tractable at the same time? Makes no dayim sense.
Also being attached to each other does not equal tractable.