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nellagold:
Hello house. I want to contribute. Ukwani people are no igbo. Am an ogume woman, when I speak non of d igbos would understand me. Most of us have bini names. My father's name is ikuni(which is not an ibo name) my elder brother's name is esuoba,ojomo(which is not an ibo name) sometimes wen we want to tell u mbene(meaning thank u) then d ijaws in bayelsa uses mbana meaning thank u also. We greet aje and otofe. We also use bini attire during our traditional wedding! We use nwenete wen we want to say my kid brother or my kid sister. So we are not ibos.

Oguma is the name of a village in Oguta, Imo State. Mbona means thank you in Oguta. Egbema people say Mbola. Gbonu is sorry. I think some Delta state people say Gbenu. Abagworo has also told you about Aje and Otofe

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christopher123:
Don't you get it....I believe that you must be just draft ....I told you. Give me translatio . Of ukwuani language of any word and your culture let me know if I can trace Benin from it.....


Is that hard....I laugh...you made my vacation easier....the way you think its petty .you just think clanish.I am in Europe now and I see how eastern countries come to join europe but you were or are here been clanish ..instead of coming together as an Igbo

I know that you are afraid of been pure Igbo cos you might not meet up with Igbo standard of hard working so you take refuge in nonigbo thing....


Wish you luck

Pure Igbo I am
My wife pure Igbo from ogume


Now go and rest in peace


I do not take you serious nor any ukwuani that disclaims Igbo


I will only listen to elders and kings of ukwuani not you

christopher123:
Don't you get it....I believe that you must be just draft ....I told you. Give me translatio . Of ukwuani language of any word and your culture let me know if I can trace Benin from it.....


Is that hard....I laugh...you made my vacation easier....the way you think its petty .you just think clanish.I am in Europe now and I see how eastern countries come to join europe but you were or are here been clanish ..instead of coming together as an Igbo

I know that you are afraid of been pure Igbo cos you might not meet up with Igbo standard of hard working so you take refuge in nonigbo thing....


Wish you luck

Pure Igbo I am
My wife pure Igbo from ogume


Now go and rest in peace


I do not take you serious nor any ukwuani that disclaims Igbo


I will only listen to elders and kings of ukwuani not you

christopher123:
Don't you get it....I believe that you must be just draft ....I told you. Give me translatio . Of ukwuani language of any word and your culture let me know if I can trace Benin from it.....


Is that hard....I laugh...you made my vacation easier....the way you think its petty .you just think clanish.I am in Europe now and I see how eastern countries come to join europe but you were or are here been clanish ..instead of coming together as an Igbo

I know that you are afraid of been pure Igbo cos you might not meet up with Igbo standard of hard working so you take refuge in nonigbo thing....


Wish you luck

Pure Igbo I am
My wife pure Igbo from ogume


Now go and rest in peace


I do not take you serious nor any ukwuani that disclaims Igbo


I will only listen to elders and kings of ukwuani not you

My Mom is from Oguma village in Ugwuta/Oguta, Imo State

Yagazie -May it go well with you

That will be my son or daughters name

MrsPhyno:
I am one o. My mummy never taught me it's a big shame right

So learn it. Its never too late. People learn totally new languages in adulthood. You just have to be determined and practice, practice, practice. Good thing you have family members who you can practice with

MrsPhyno:
I love love love igbo names, but my own is so boring and not that sweet in the mouth. (Dont ask )
Not that I'm having kids any time soon, but when I do..... who has some attractive/appealing names for igbo kids? Female, Male or Unisex. And please also write the meaning if you know it.
My personal favourites include:


Lutanna (abi is it Lotanna, I'm not sure)


cc: igbo people in the house

NOTE: Don't mention that most common name of all that we all know has been used and overused past its usefulness. Everyone has at least one sister, cousin, aunty, grandma etc named Chidinma. So don't mention that name.

It's Lotanna which means To remember the/your father.

Lutanna would mean To marry your/the father. Luo is to marry.


Jidenna is also a nice name. Jide means to Hold onto

ChinenyeN:
Flora Nwapa's bios say she was born in Ugwuta. Do we actually know if she is from there or was just born there?

Obilor is actually the entire southern axis, and it's not that uncommon either.

Flora Nwapa was an Ugwuta woman. Her father was a very illustrious Ugwuta man. I can't remember his first name now.

MrsPhyno:
What's the real meaning of Makachi? All I know is 'maka' means what and 'chi' means God. So does it just translate literally to 'What God'? That doesn't make much sense

Maka = Because. Makachi = Because of God

Gini = What.

As Nwunye anyi (MrsPhyno) you've got to do better

GooseBaba:
Exactly..!!! You've eyes but you can't see.

What happened after the bristish took over..? Did the farmers benefit from direct access to the British market. Did the bristish not set their own price. Did the bristish let the farmer trade with other countries directly. The end result was still monopoly. From fry pan to fire..

The destructive aspect is that the whiteman now controls the destiny of the so called protectorate. Which has led to the destruction of the independent civilization of King Jaja struggles. There lies his heroism. For he had foresight and he defended it..

On point!

The 1880s witnessed a severe trade depression that ruined some of the European firms trading in the Delta and threatened the survival of others. The surviving firms responded to the situation in two ways. First, they reached an agreement among themselves, though not with complete unanimity, to offer low prices for produce. Second, they claimed the right to go directly to the interior markets in order to sidestep the coastal middlemen and reduce the handling cost of produce.

The British firms wanted to get lower prices for the benefit of themselves and themselves alone. Every sensible person knows that the bigger a trade entity is, the bigger its bargaining powers. What the other house should have done is to enter into some sort of trade pact with the Ana Pepple house. Afterall, United we stand and divided we fall. But instead, because of jealousy" and "crabs in a bucket mentality, Manilla Pepple sought to take advantage of The Ana Pepple's house weakness, after the fire. Unfortunately for them, it boomeranged. And here we have people talking about hostile takeovers. Mtcheww! Infact, prior to the fire and the war, most of the houses willingly joined Ana Pepple house when they faced insolvency and such, and this was how Ana Pepple grew until Manilla Pepple came with its palava.

Kingship was impossible of attainment for anyone of slave origins in Bonny. Instead he (Jaja) sought another land where he could give full scope to his boundless energies.

A master strategist, he relocated in the Andoni country away from the seaboard at a strategic point at the mouth of the Imo river, the highway of trade between the coastal communities and the palm-oil rich Kwa Iboe and Igbo country. There, he survived the initial problems of a virgin settlement as well as incessant attacks of his Bonny enemies.

^^^
The beginnings of King Jaja's Kingdom.

For 18 years, Ja Ja ruled his kingdom with firmness and remarkable sagacity. He strengthened his relations with the hinterland palm-oil producers through judicious marriages and blood covenants which bound the parties into ritual kingship.

Strategic intermarriages. One of the prime ways in which kingdoms are grown.

How are civilizations formed? People come together for the greater good. They also give up some rights and freedoms for the greater good. It is laughable to suggest that independent farmers should trade directly with big British corporations that have the backing of the British government. Arrangements such as that would only result in a raping of the people. There was definitely the need for a King and if he bought from his subjects and sold to the British, then so be it. I daresay they would get even worse prices if they tried to stand alone. Its was for this reason that the British sought to overthrow the Indigenous sovereignty, declare a free for all and proceeds with the scramble for Africa.

But in the 1880s, the clouds of British imperialism were closing in menacingly on Opobo, the overthrow of indigenous sovereignties having been initiated by John Beecroft, the first British consul to Nigeria (1849-54). British imperialism had begun to assert itself forcefully; British officials on the spot were increasingly ignoring indigenous authorities, while British traders had begun to insist on trading directly with the hinterland palm-oil producers. Ja Ja tackled these formidable problems judiciously and with restraint.

The honeymoon between Ja Ja and the British turned out to be meteoric: the ultimate ambitions of the two ran at cross-purposes. Ja Ja guarded his independence jealously, had a tight grip on the interior markets and confined British traders to Opobo, away from these markets. made sure that the traders paid their comeys (customs and trade duties) as and when due[/b].

A great leader he was, making sure that they paid customs and trade duties which would inure to the benefit of Opobo people. Yes, King Jaja got rich. But so did the Queen of England. And so that doesn't make him any less of a great and heroic King.
On the other hand, the British wanted to overthrown the Indigenous sovereignties, declare it a no mans land, impose their rule and then turn around and tax the same people. How can any Nigerian want this, or be against a system that fought this?


The treaty of protection was foisted on King Jaja and the British reneged on their agreement not to take over his country.

In July 1884, fearing German intrusion in the Delta, the British consul, Edward Hewett, rushed to the area, foisting treaties of protection on the indigenous sovereignties. With a veiled threat from a man-of-war, Ja Ja too was stampeded into placing his kingdom under British protection. But unlike the other African monarchs, this was not before he had sought explanation for the word "protectorate," and had been assured by the consul that his independence would not be compromised. Hewett wrote to Ja Ja informing him, inter alia (among other things), that:
[b]the queen does not want to take your country [/b]or your markets, but at the same time she is anxious that no other nation should take them. She undertakes … [to] leave your country still under your government; she has no wish to disturb your rule.

The following year, European powers entered into the Treaty of Berlin which set the stage for the scramble and partition of Africa among themselves, without regard to the wishes of Africans. The treaty provided for free navigation on River Niger and other rivers, such as the Imo, linked to it. On the basis of this, the British consul asserted that British firms were within their rights to trade directly in the interior palm-oil markets. That same year, 1885, Britain proclaimed the Oil Rivers Protectorate, which included Ja Ja's territory. Sending a delegation to the British secretary of states for the colonies to protest these actions by right of the treaty of 1884, Ja Ja's protest fell on deaf ears. A man of his word, he was shocked at Britain reneging on her pledge.

Harry Johnston, acting vice-consul, a young hothead anxious to advance his colonial career, imagined that Ja Ja would be a perfect stepping-stone to attain his ambition. Arriving at Opobo on a man-of-war, Johnston invited Ja Ja for a discussion on how to resolve the points of friction between Opobo and the British traders and officials. Said Johnston:

I hereby assure you that whether you accept or reject my proposals tomorrow, no restrictions will be put on you - you will be free to go as soon as you have heard my message.

But again the British reneged on their pledge: Ja Ja would not return to his kingdom alive. Once on board the warship Goshawk, Johnston confronted him with a deportation order or the complete destruction of Opobo.

Rather than face complete destruction of Opobo, his Kingdom which he had founded, he chose the lesser of two evils; deportation. And this sacrifice among others is what makes him a hero in the eyes of his people.

Today, an imposing statue of Ja Ja stands in the center of Opobo with the inscription:
A king in title and in deed. Always just and generous.

To his people he is a King and a hero. And that he shall remain. End of ....

Nihilist:
How old are you? 12?

No, 5. Now keep it moving. Hanlele!

Nihilist:
I am sorry.

I was responsible for spewing a lot of gibberish. I promise to do better next time.

*pats him on the head* Now, that is much better

Nihilist:
Like I said, keep it moving.

I stated that Jaja was a businessman not a Hero.

You quoted me to argue that Jaja was a great businessman which is all well and good but I never actually disputed that.

Take your aggression and lack of comprehension elsewhere. Don't really have time for all of that.

You are a complete asshole. Talking about comprehension and the like. Try making some sense. Then and only then will people "understand" you. Doofus!

Nihilist:
Of course they still happen.

But you don't openly get kidnapped by a rival seeking to buy your business today, do you?

L[b]isten, it seems that comprehension is your problem. The fact that capitalism was a self-serving dangerous ideology 200 years ago, does not make it any less so today.[/b]

You keep trying to argue against points that I did not make.

Read conscentiously before responding, or keep it moving.

So capitalism is a self serving and dangerous ideology, even today? By extension, all capitalists are self serving and dangerous?
If your problem was with capitalism as a whole, you for talk as opposed to singling King Jaja out.

Nihilist:
Mate, I did not quote you. You quoted me.

You have yet to counter my main submission that Jaja was no hero, but merely a greedy business man, instead you've been challenging me on arguments I never made.

So if you were looking to avoid a 'useless back and forth' perhaps you should have excercised restraint.

Now to answer your question about slavery. If you even read the article with any amount of conscientiousness, you would have seen the political houses consisted of both freemen and slaves. Therefore it is implied in the article that Jaja was still involved in slavery.

Furthermore, even after the British abolished slavery in their domains, Jaja and his fellow Chiefs continued to sell his fellow brethren to the Spanish and Portuguese. They even recieved compensation for the loss of the slave markets! See below.

Jaja was nothing but a cutthroat businessman who got screwed over by greed. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I quoted you. And so? What does that have to do with anything?
I quoted you and in response, you acknowledged that he was a great man. That was all I sought to hear. Did I go into any back and forth with you as to whether you should see him as a hero? No I did not. But you felt the need to tell me I was running away?
Fact of the matter is he was a great business man. Nobody can ever take that away from him. As to your subjective feelings as to whether he is a hero, I won't waste my time.

As for the Ana Pepple House owning slaves, all societies in Nigeria owned slaves, which is a far cry from the slavery practiced in the West. Some of these slaves were captives of war and such. "Slaves" by working hard, could rise to the pinnacle, which is exactly what Jaja did. By your argument, all prominent men from back then should be condemned because by virtue of their prominence, there might be some slaves under them. Heck, even regular people had war captives who were classified as slaves. To paraphrase Goosebaba, stop comparing Apples to Oranges.

GooseBaba:
Kindly go and study up on african type slavery versus europeans /transatlantic slavery. Reading up on this article it talks about slaves earning higher recognition than non slaves in regards to merits. So calm down with this your useless "greedy businessman " statement.

You want to hold him up to standards that even today's Europe and America cannot boasts of genuine free trade. Mangoes to mangoes bro, not mangoes to oranges...

No mind am. Persons wey no fit hack am in the real/business world moaning about hostile takeovers

Nihilist:
There's a difference between being great and being a hero.

Dangote is great, but how is he a hero?

By all accounts, Jaja was a great man...but no hero.

This is a man who was intimately acquainted with the horrors of slavery, but chose to perpetuate that evil institution, when he could have played a part in stopping it, by virtue of his high position.

A former slave turned slave trader is the epitome of greed, and you cannot reasonably say that he would have been interested in ensuring fair prices in a free market.

What you see in that article is a hostile takeover that happened 200 years ago.

The only moral of the story is the danger of an unregulated economy.

king Jaja of Opobo was not a slave trader. That is a lie from the pit of hell.

And as for hostile takeovers, it stil happens today and is perfectly legit in the Western world that taught you about "fair trade" and "regulated economies"

Nihilist:
Yeah but I never argued that he wasn't great.

The post you quoted categorically stated that he wasn't a hero.

Unfortunately you had to run when confronted with the simple fact that Jaja was nothing but a greedy businessman.

Run where?
I am not going to engage in any useless back and forth with you. In the post I originally quoted, you took great pleasure in highlighting only the "perceived" negatives. An objective person would state the positives as well as any negatives, seeing as no one is perfect.

And as to your slave trading claims where is your proof? When did he rise to become King and when was slave trading abolished? Mind you this is a man that died in 1891. He became leader of the Ana Pepple house in 1863 and became King much later (closer to 1870)

Slavery was completely abolished by the UK in 1843 and by the U.S in 1865. Again, where is your proof that he traded slaves? The article talks about trade in Palm produce

@ Nihilist: just as long as you acknowledge that he was great, that's all I am interested in

Ihuomadinihu:
Hi Phut. I couldn't access your mail. Can you share the msg here?

Hi Ihuoma,

My email is aezediaro@gmail.com. Shoot me an email or drop your email here. There is something I want to discuss with you in private

Nihilist:
I can't really see the heroism of Jaja from this article.

If anything, this article only highlights the dangers of an unregulated economy, and more importantly, the utter capriciousness of unfettered capitalism.

Jaja was attempting to monopolise trade, and as such preventing wealth distribution in the hinterland.

He wasn't a hero. He was a greedy businessman.

You don't see the greatness in a man who would be King?
Who rose from being a slave to achieve all that he did?
Do you think the British traders would have offered fair prices to small, subsistence farmers in the hinterland?
King Jaja by virtue of his exploits was able to level the playing field and keep more of the wealth in the hands of Nigerians (which is the exact reason why the British sought to remove him).
Going by your definition Dangote and other legit entrepreneurs in Nigeria are not hero's.
Not everyone can be rich (we do not practice Socialism). But credit has to be given to those who have foresight and who by dint of hardwork change their destiny and those of others around them

duni04:
I stopped reading after I saw he was born in IMO. This piece is a blatant distortion of history by those South eastern fanatics that always want to ascribe all the glory in Nigeria to themselves. Jaja of opobo was an indigen of one of the delta tribes. Any attempt by our "Nigeria Jews" to selfishly distort history will be flatly resisted.

Jaja of Opobo was an Igbo man. All the history books say so.

What are your sources that say otherwise? Beer parlor gist?

You would do well to emancipate yourself from ignorance, close mindedness, tribalism and all else that ails you

She did a great job

Emilokoiyawon:
ezi okwu

Otu onye tuo izu, o gbue ochu

daalu

O!

Igbo gi amaka. Ji si ike

Emilokoiyawon:
A di mma imela. M na-ebi Dallas. Ebee ka i bi? Udo odikwa your side?

Udo odikwa ebe I no?

90% out of 100

AAinEqGuinea:
I try to find unsigned artists, it doesn't matter if they're Jamaican, Nigerian, AA, etc. When I do find them I donate to them for a download of good tracks. If enough people did this we wouldn't need artists to whoré themselves to music companies and BET (both a joke of Black entertainment).

But BET was sold to Viacom. It's no longer black owned

Okay people, please google BET and find out who the current owners are: white/Jewish people. In fact they should change the name from BET because that name is misleading.

If you want to watch black owned TV, it should be OWN (Oprah Winfrey Network).

You people should stop fighting your brothers and sisters for nothing

vheMa:
really!? BET is no longer blacks Pls reply

It was purchased by Viacom which also owns MTV, CBS and Nickelodeon.

rosey11:
Until blacks learn to support and accept one another for their origin,colour, etc. racism continues. I have noticed that African Americans always fill superior to Africans. Nonsense!

BET is no longer black owned

jiggaz:
I like Wizkid for saying the truth and dis is the same reason Yemi Alade & Fuse ODG did not attend and they made it known to BET as well.

Now for all u ignorant Nairalanders attacking Wizkid for dis tweet, lemme tell u guys what u don't know. I dont see why BET should be discriminating against African Artistes in an award show like dis, shebi na black people we be?.

The gate keepers of the American music knows dat if they give African artistes a chance, they might steal their market in America. That's why they treat African artistes like second class citizens or pretend dat they don't know dat we got a vibrant music industry in Africa. African artistes need to wake up!! Come on, we don't need validation from the West to know dat we are good!!! Africa is a continent of over 800 million people!!! Who needs America They can keep their yeye backstage award. An award show dat most American A-List artiste did not even attend sef. 50 Cent was even blasting dem on an instagram video. Lets forget about dem. The BEST AFRICAN ACT AWARD sef no dey do anything for the artiste career sef. Na only title. The African market is soo huge and has sooo many potential, let our artistes explore dem, see how PSquare dem are breaking ground in North Africa.

I have soo many things to say about the American music industry and African American themselves. To start with, these Black Americans have a condescending attitude towards Africans even if u were born in the states. Infact, lemme leave it here, Akatas and their wahala too much.

So i support Wizkid, Yemi Alade & Fuse ODG for not attending, we are not fools. Dat was how Grammy Awards were giving Black Hiphop acts their awards backstage back in the day and they fought against it. Now they are coming to do it to their fellow Blacks too?? Cos we are Africans To hell with Dem!!! I support you Wizkid!!!

BET is no longer black owned. The owner sold it. I think its owned by the same company as E entertainment or MTV.

Jayvarley:
The reason I ask this is because I am often asked by Nigerians if I am Nigerian. When I tell them I am of Caribbean parentage they look a little disappointed LOL. So I ALWAYS ask them which tribe I resemble most and they always have said IGBO!

@ Jayvarley: Yes, sometimes.

Some people have a garden variety look while others have a look that is synonymous with a paticular area. In Nigeria we can sometimes tell if a person is Igbo, Yoruba or Hausa based on their looks.

A few months ago, I met an African American woman who looked distinctively South African. She had the Khoi San cheek bones and the crazy waist to hip ratio that their women are known for. I would be willing to wager money that a DNA test would prove me right

Jayvarley:
I am aware that some places in the New World many black people still retain African first names especially in places like Guyana and Suriname. In Guyana it is not unusual to hear Afro-Guyanese people with an Akan first name like Kwame

I have also come across a lot of women from Latin America called Ada (which means daughter in Igbo) and they know the meaning of their name

Great job @ Radiollo and ChinenyeN. Some of us might not be able to contribute but better believe we are reading and enjoying every bit of it.

tonychristopher:
ogo m

nne kedu ka idi

A di'm nma. Yinwa Kwanu?