Sheeple:

I'm an IT but I was an A student in Physics, Maths and Chemistry all through secondary school. I played with A-level physics for a while before leaving it for IT. You can open a next thread for that, if you want to get brolic. I already shamed someone who claims to be a resident mathematician in the education section last year and you might be next. Anyway, that's irrelevant to this thread.

Till you rein Papabrowne in for claiming Edo while spewing hate, there will always be legitimate reasons to question you. I already put my foot in his reta.rded azz a few times and I just can't keep doing your job for you. That's your job and what you're known for, Mr. Defender-of-Benin-Kingdom. Comprehende?

So your knowledge of physics stops at the high school level and introductory college courses and that makes you think you can quiz someone who actually studies the subject seriously? If I asked you to explain clearly and in detail even undergraduate level material like what a tensor is, what a Levi-Civita symbol is used for, what a Hermitian operator is and how it's used, or explain what bremsstrahlung is, could you write even so much as a sentence on any of those things without resorting to searching frantically online for information? For a second there, I thought maybe you had been pursuing independent study of the subject outside of your IT work and that's why you were confident enough to think you could quiz me on it, but I see now that it was just blind hubris on your part.

Papabrowne is not really my concern - I saw him get cornered in that thread where Gbawe and others confronted him and they handled his claims well enough, so I don't think my accusing him of faking would even do much as far as discrediting or exposing his biases any more than they have been.

Moreover, I have no quote from him that I can point to and say "there's just no way any real Edo person would say that." At most all I have from him are some Igbo sympathetic comments, but these don't prove anything yet since there are really people who just praise or sympathize greatly with other ethnic groups besides their own or who get along especially well with some ethnic groups besides their own - I already gave two real world examples of those kind of people earlier in the thread, but I could give more examples still. If he someday posts something that actually makes me say "there's absolutely no way that guy is Edo" then I'll probably call him out because I'd actually have something to criticize him with.

I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but Papabrowne has been posting on this forum for quite a while - I think he's been here much longer than me. In the distant past, most of what I saw from him, when I came across his posts, that was even related to ethnicity in any way were statements and analyses that could be interpreted as "pro-Edo." I never saw anything pro-Igbo or anti-Yoruba from him. Then within the last year or year and a half he suddenly started with the anti-Yoruba & pro-Igbo stuff, all the while occasionally making somewhat "pro-Edo" statements and not making any statements that could simply expose him as not being Edo. Maybe this is some sort of strategy on his part and he's faking, but it's also possible that he's not faking, and he's just expressing his views. If he had not had a previous history of making seemingly pro-Edo statements, it would be a lot easier for me to simply accuse him of faking without it pricking my conscience that I might be falsely accusing him. But as things currently stand, I just don't have anything on him. I don't see how you don't get that simple fact, and I can't keep re-explaining this as it's getting repetitive and tedious now.

Sheeple: Yes, I'll get some help for being excessive in putting my foot in your azz before you end up dead. Getting emotional now, nah? How about change your handle to, "EpistleQED" since you aren't a physicist and you know nothing about physics?

Don't cry, man-child. I just can't stand two-faced and biased people.

Lol, calling you crazy is "getting emotional", but talking about "putting your foot in my azz" over the internet is calm and unemotional right?

This whole argument is because you're butthurt over nothing and too dumb to realize that you never had a legitimate grievance to begin with. I have no obligation to call out Papabrowne, Edo.girl, or anyone else for whatever they're posting if I'm bored with that sh1t. I might not like some of the things they're saying, but I don't have to waste my time on them if I don't want to.

And now it's "I don't know anything about physics"?! Funny how an IT guy thinks he could attempt to quiz me on the extent of my knowledge of physics. How far does your physics knowledge go, though - I mean how many physics classes (if any) did you have to take for your degree(s)? Did you take even one?

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So planning to ignore your crazed nonsense in the future is now "fear"? And your claims against me are getting progressively crazier and more ridiculous. Hopefully you get some help someday.

Sheeple:

Dude, all your excuses don't make sense. It has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that you're bias. So stay away from any thread that's two-sided. Your opinions aren't needed there - simples.

Look, I don't post to satisfy your whims. I'm not going to avoid any thread I don't want to and if you don't like my posting, just ignore me. I certainly plan to ignore your posts from here on out.

Sheeple:
Pray tell me how, "I'm on your case now and the next time I see you trying to correct any Yoruba person on here with your junk" translates into "stalker declaration?" Perhaps, I should have used a "If and when" statement to make it more simplistic.

You're on my case now isn't stalker stuff? You could just stay off my case entirely if you don't want me to consider that to be stalkerish.

However, if you could "corner" the "monster" in patriot series - how come you're unable to do the same with Papabrowne? He posts almost the same thing hiding under the Edo mantra. And he also ends all his posts with, "I'm not Igbo, I'm Edo" - when he's obviously not.

If you think Papabrowne and patriot are on the same level of monstrosity, then that's your opinion, but I don't necessarily have to agree - obviously you would be more affected by anti-Yoruba comments than me, and you might be able to gauge better how offensive something is or is not, when it's about your group. But I don't think Papabrowne's case ever reached the level of patriot.

If Papabrowne had been going around repeatedly saying that Yorubas were sub-humans that they deserve to be exterminated, in the same way the "soft" guy patriot had been about another group, while constantly emphasizing his Edoness, I probably would have intervened, but I didn't see it get to that level. But as I said, maybe you can gauge the degree of the offensiveness of Papabrowne's comments better than me (since his comments are about your group), and perhaps you think they are on the level of genocide talk.

I know deep inside your heart, you know the guy isn't Edo and I doubt anyone from Benin where Igbos are called, "Igbons" would be that sentimental with so much hate and bile. So why haven't you called him out to "corner" the "monster" in him?

The guy hasn't actually "slipped up" and made any post (that I've seen) that "gave him away" as not being from Edo state, though, so I don't see what I would have to even call him out with even if I was still making it a point to call people out the way I was confronting people when this "pretending to be Edo" stuff first started on this forum.

And as I stated earlier, I don't see how his biases for or against certain groups prove anything outright - I've seen other posters that claim Edo who have such biases and I haven't accused them of faking either. Also, he seems to live in Lagos and is often presenting it as a cosmopolitan and very multi-ethnic city, so even if the "Igbon" stuff was as much of a factor as you think, I don't see how his presumably Edo origins would stop him from developing a rapport with Igbos while there if he's all about that "cosmopolitan dream" stuff.

But my point is: every time there's an argument on such threads with people from those places aligning with their Benin ancestry, you're always quick to go there to defuse it.

I don't actually believe many of those groups have more Edo than Igbo ancestry though, so that's one reason I'm more reluctant to support some of their efforts. Also, I don't like some of the things a few of them say when making their arguments - the insulting stuff that is - and I would have a hard time getting behind them to support them when they are making insulting statements. I'm sure there are people with other opinions on that issue, of course.

And don't say "every time" when you know very well that that's not true. Maybe you weren't following the culture section that closely, but I was in one or two of those threads at most, and the only reason I attempted to defuse anything is because those particular discussions were just descending into insults about the different ethnic groups involved.

However, when it comes to claiming Eko, all the way to Dahomey - you would be quick to cite references from pseudo-legends on the might of the Benin empire.

I honestly don't remember ever mentioning Eko/Lagos in threads before other people would bring it up and give their own opinions. If I have done that and it was actually relevant to the subject matter of the thread then I don't see what the big deal there is. A long time ago in a discussion about Agbor, I suggested that the town had that name because the first settlers or the later leaders were either Edo or under the influence of Edo culture - but I guess you missed that. The Delta Igbo Bendel Igbo thread is a long one though, so I guess that's understandable. The point is, I don't see much difference in what I wrote about Agbor and whatever I might have written about Eko.

You also claimed Benin's dominion over Ijebu Kingdom that has no link whatsoever with anything Benin. The Ife and Benin thing is another one.

So, I think I've stated this before, but I guess I can repeat it again: I never brought up the issue of Ijebu and Benin at any time. And anyway, you shouldn't expect me to bowdlerize actual traditions just to not cause possible offense. If you ask me about something, you should expect me to tell something as I've seen it stated, not in the manner that I think would be nice or ideal.

And skepticism isn't necessarily the same as bias. However on such issues, I think my previous statement already admits that I'm probably not capable of true objectivity there (since it involves my ethnic group), so if you want to consider my statements/perspectives on those issues biased you're welcome to, but I don't feel that they are rooted in some sort of anti-Yoruba bias.

So why are you like that? Are you scared of them? If you're scared of them - then you need to be scared of us as well.

I'm not "scared" of anything on this forum. It's just a forum. I've gotten into enough arguments with Igbo posters that it's hard for me take this charge against me seriously. Only recently pazienza (an Igbo poster) made it a point to claim I was somehow anti-Igbo in some thread (without any real justification), but at the same time that an Igbo nationalist is calling me out for supposedly being anti-Igbo in some of my posts, you're saying I shirk from disagreements with Igbos. That's just strange.

Sheeple:

You're delusional with that stalking line. Pray tell me why I would stalk you. I already told you time ago that your Eurocentric line of argument isn't for me and I called you out a few times about it. You can save that for your naija fan-base who don't know better. I'm from a different country and I did all my schooling in a different educational environment. So I can smell junk from afar. That's critical thinking and epistles don't sway me.

However, I noticed your bias and I decided to call you out on it before you start giving credence to an opposing view in a discourse that's two-sided. I was on the thread when you had a go at the Patriot series for no reason. But the guy is also a soft guy and he let it slide without responding. After that, I thought you would probably do the same to the rest hiding under "Edo" to spew hate. However, Papabrowne and his retar,.ded self has been running around doing the same thing, but you're yet to call him out. Same for Ola-edo.

Also, I see how you argue in the culture section when it comes to the ancestry of Onitsha and Agbor/Ika crowns being of Benin ancestry - compared to how you go full throttle when it comes to claiming certain Yoruba crowns are of Benin ancestry. So don't tell me you're not bias - save that bs for the birds. If you're scared of Igbo's, that's your prerogative. However, don't go about screaming at Yoruba posters, when you can't do the same to Igbo posters. And stop being to act like you're objective when you're obviously not.

"You're delusional with that stalking line. Pray tell me why I would stalk you." Lol, because you literally just said that you would. But whatever, I'm sure you'll find a way to say that wasn't a stalker declaration.

I didn't have a "go at patriot series for no reason." That guy is a monster. That you could call somebody like that a "soft guy" is incredible. And he made it a point to repeatedly, deliberately, and fraudulently emphasize his supposed Edoness while posting as a monster. If patriot feels that he must call another group primitive cannibals and inform the rest of NL about how "another genocide" is waiting for them he can do that while admitting to his actual ethnicity.

And has it even occurred to you that his posting turned "softer" because he had been confronted about his bullsh1t by someone who wasn't buying it? That guy was trying to save face and he changed his tone all of a sudden.

As for the issue of "how I argue in the culture section" when it comes to the ancestry of Onitsha and Agbor, Ika, etc., vs. how I argue with regard to certain Yoruba crowns (which one(s)?), could you give some actual specifics? Because I don't have a complete recollection of everything I might have posted on those subjects.

Is "screaming" here supposed to mean debating civilly with regular Yoruba posters? Or is it supposed to refer to cursing at monsters like patriot2?

Anyway, I'm starting to think you might just be so incredibly biased or delusional that you somehow don't get that almost all of the most heated/intense arguments and disagreements I've had on this forum have been with Igbo posters. I don't know why that is (I'm not seeking out arguments with anyone), but honestly the arguments/disagreements with Yoruba posters don't even come close.

And I've said this before in another thread - although not in these exact words - I don't believe that I can claim objectivity on issues involving my ethnic group and another ethnic group. So I won't even bother to claim it.

Sheeple:

You only find your balls when you're posting to Yoruba. However, when Igbo posters scream at you, you would scram like the byt.ch embedded in you, you reta.rded Eurocentric junk epistle writer. I'm a troll now because I called you out on your bias bs, nah? You're probably the softest Edo guy ever (and that's if you're actually Edo). I grew up around a lot of Benin people and I know even the calmest one among them would turn to a nutter after switching. I can see the byt.ch in you despite masking all your inadequacies with epistles and linear junk about history.

You were just lucky I had flu and chest pain yesterday and I couldn't say much. However, I'm on your case now and the next time I see you trying to correct any Yoruba person on here with your junk - your head would be smashed in with an e-chainsaw. I promise you that.

Is this some kind of joke? You can't seriously be suggesting that the most heated/intense arguments or debates I've had on this forum are with Yoruba posters or that I've only engaged Yoruba posters in discussions that turned into arguments. I don't expect you to be familiar with my posting history since you came on this forum later on, and since we don't follow each others posts, but I can't help but wonder if you aren't just delusional.

The rest of what you wrote is just trash from an overemotional brat who's got his panties in a bunch for no reason and I won't even bother responding to that nonsense. And if you want to waste your time stalking me with your bullshit, go ahead. It's your time that you're wasting.

Desola:

Oh, so Chyz is pro-Igbo, anti-Yoruba while the likes of Desola are just anti Igbo but your pal Dayokanu is a Yoruba defender?

When you're done hiding under the Edo cloak to subtly attack Yoruba, I trust you'll let us know.

Two faced sod!

I don't have anything against him (dayokanu), and when he's not on the ethnic stuff he sometimes makes interesting posts, but we barely interact much on here, honestly. If my post came across as elevating him while insulting you, I apologize. I only used those names (dayokanu, Desola, omonokada) as examples as they were the first names that came to mind. But I could have used an entirely different set of names just as easily.

These "attacking Yoruba", "attacking Igbo" etc. accusations against me are kind of funny, because first it was accusations of being "anti-Igbo" as my bias, now it's swung around to "anti-Yoruba" claims. Some of the posters in this section are in that mindset where the forum is an ethnic battleground, but not everyone here makes their comments with that sort of approach/perspective at the back of their mind. In the future, try and keep that in mind while attempting to deconstruct and analyze my posts for "proof" of some ethnic bias against some particular group.

And I'm not "hiding under" any cloak. Unlike some people who make up multiple personalities and backgrounds on this forum for no reason, I don't need to fake anything.

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Dude, just fvck off. I've given you way too much attention today. Go troll someone else.

Sheeple:

How about shut the fvck up before you get e-slapped around like a byt.ch? How does not being to a place negate who you're? Perhaps, with all the junk oversaturated in your brain cells, you should be to understand that identity doesn't change regardless where an individual is domiciled. Heck, Malcolm-X said, "A kitten can be born in an oven, that doesn't make it a biscuit."

In your case, any fool can read about history and claim to be from a particular place. However, how authentic are you based on your lineage?

You can go ask those that I've had the opportunity to speak to on the phone how I sound. That's authentic. Heck, go ask Cheddarking/JackBaeursballs how I sound on the phone when I was going to beat his ar.se up for stalking me. Go ask those who listened to the rap freestyle I posted on here time ago how I sound. You think I would lie about my background? - GTFOH.

Told you I'm done with the bs. You're bias - end of!

lol @ "e-slapped around like a bytch." If the multiple identity nonsense wasn't bad enough, there's e-thuggery with you as well.

I don't care what you sound like (as if that's even relevant) or what lineage you claim - you're just not any authority on anything regarding my people and it's dumb of you to even act like you could ever "screen" the Bini-ness of any poster.

Stop b1tching about my posts and my supposed "bias", be a man, and apologize for the nonsense you pulled in this thread or shut up and leave me alone.

Sheeple: I'm Ijebu royalty and I mention my people all the time. You on the other hand have no claims to Edo apart from posting epistles about Edo history. Peep the difference.

Anyway, I'm done with this.

Aren't you the same guy who admits to having never been to Nigeria, let anyone anywhere in Ijebu? I don't care what your ancestry is or what you think the degree of my credibility is about my own people. You're not anybody to be judging anyone's credibility.

Just stop misrepresenting my posting - it's irritating as hell. I never claimed to be the official or unofficial spokesperson for Edo on NL, and I'm pretty sure that no such position exists.

Who are these "rest" that I've given a pass and who are these Yoruba posters that I attack? What are you even talking about? More vague bullsh1t and insinuation with no substance.

The minorities are in Nigeria and they are on NL. In case you forgot, the events of the 1960s kind of fvcked up this country (Nigeria) that still matters to me, so I don't have to stay out of any discussion about the 1960s if I don't want to. I've been asking other posters for clarification about some of the events of that era before you even registered on this forum and I'm not going to stop asking about things just because it makes you throw childish tantrums.

And you think I should tell you what family I belong to because. . .? What do you know about Benin to be able to authenticate anyone's "Bini credentials"? The guy who only recently said "Benin history isn't part of my scholarship" now purports to screen who is and isn't Bini? Ridiculous. Anyway, it's funny that you think I would even humor your prying into my family background after you insulted me for no reason.

And for goodness sake, nobody made me "the spokesperson for Edo on nl," you literally made that sh1t up just now. It's like me claiming that you ever claimed to be the spokesperson for the Ijebus just because you keep mentioning them.

Sheeple: Dude, why do you always write epistles? Le sigh!

What has Ola-edo meaning some crap in Igbo has to do with an Igbo poster creating hate threads under the disguise that he's Edo? Or a Papabrowne who spews a lot hate and end it with; "I'm not Igbo, I'm Edo" all the time? You went full throttle on Patriot series for saying the same thing. And I see you on almost every thread where Edo is mentioned trying to correct people. So how come you became too busy to call a ret.ard like Papabrowne out?

As for edo.girl, I don't know who that is and I seldom see her posts.

If Ola Edo has ever said he's Edo at any time, then I missed it - I didn't think that having "Edo" in his username means he's referring to the ethnicity, but apparently you do. Which makes me wonder what you think "Ola" is supposed to mean there. Did you think he was putting a random Yoruba name there? If you did, how would that agree with the idea that his name is an attempt to convince people that he's Edo?

I think if anyone searched for the phrase "Ola Edo" they'd figure out that it's an Igbo expression for jewelry or gold (and it's not obscure or anything, I found it out pretty easily). I don't know for certain what he means by the name, but it's entirely possible that people who understand Igbo figured out that his username was a standard Igbo phrase, and his name might have been meant for them (Igbo speakers), rather than meant to dupe people into thinking he belonged to the Edo ethnic group.

And I went full throttle on patriot because that happened not long after the nonsense with amosy007, and I was annoyed - it was as if this was becoming the new trend: declare yourself to be Edo and then say "Igbos are this" and "Yorubas are that" and then half the people responding to the insults comment about the Edo. At that time it was new to me - now that stuff doesn't even surprise me.

As for this:

However, if she's Yoruba hiding under "edo" to spew hatred towards Igbo. Then, you have to call her out for fvckery.

That's what you do on nl and what you're known for - the defender of Edo.

Bias is bias. And I just cited two people. There are tons of other Igbo posters running around claiming to be Edo and using that to spew hate.

You're just wrong. I don't have to call out anybody. I've already called out both Igbo posters and Yoruba posters pretending to be Edo in the past. Why should I have to keep doing it? So I have to keep dealing with that crap every time I see it even when it's tedious and boring?

And I don't want to come to NL to defend the Edo against insults - I should be able to come here and just post as I want to without worrying about nonsense like that. If Edo.girl is Yoruba pretending to be Edo, and Papabrowne is Igbo pretending to be Edo, but I haven't called out either of them for faking while insulting other groups, then I don't see what point you have. Your whole point was about my so called "bias," but I don't see the bias in refusing to call out both. The issue there isn't bias, but being tired of dealing with the same nonsense again and again.

If there are "tons of Igbo posters running around claiming to be Edo and using that to spew hate" then am I supposed to track down and confront every single one of them? Wtf?! I don't have time for that sh1t!

Okay, I see you recall the name - it's patriot2 you're thinking of, not "patriot4."

That guy was doing the exact same thing as amosy007 - engaging in repeated Igbo bashing while saying he was Edo (to appear 'neutral'), while it was clear through his posts that he actually wasn't. And I'm supposed to regret insulting that guy? That's what all this is about? That hardcore bigot who couldn't even insult the group he loathes (Igbos) while admitting his actual ethnicity?

You completely wasted my time. Hopefully this is my last bit of vulgarity while posting on nairaland: fvck "patriot2" and the horse he rode in on. Just fvck him. That guy's worthless.

Sheeple:

Dude, I don't need your respect. I command that. However, I don't know the other poster you cited, I've never seen him/her on nl. Also, I don't know about what happened between you and Amosy007. I probably wasn't on nl when that happened. But the guy in question who you cursed out with all kinds of obscene curses isn't Amosy007. Most of his posts are on military threads and he claims to be Edo, or somewhere in Benin or Akoko Edo, or something.

Your explanation about about Ola Edo and Papabrowne makes no sense whatsoever since they're not pure Edo. However, they both always hide under Edo to spew hatred all the time. If you can't call them out, then you're bias. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Evidently, if you could be so passionate and could go out of your way to call a poster out for being "fake." Then, ridiculously dumb posters, full of hate, like Papabrowne and Ola_edo also deserve the same treatment. Failure to do that only shows your bias and why your opinions are inconsequential in a discourse of this nature.

This is getting annoying.

1. He claims to be Edo? Or "somewhere in Benin or Akoko Edo"? Or "something"? What exactly was this guy claiming, and why did I have a grudge against him? Was he actually a Yoruba pretending to be Edo, or was he actually Edo? Are you even recalling/remembering any of what you're talking about correctly? Why I am I wasting my time with you when you can't even tell me what the thread was about, or the title, or anything about my interaction with the guy other than saying that I cursed? Are you just trolling? At the end of this conversation are you just going to post a picture of a troll face and logoff? Are you laughing to yourself right now for getting me to even pay attention to your nonsense?

2. Ola Edo hasn't claimed to be Edo. I have no idea where you're getting this idea that he pretends to be Edo while attacking Yoruba posters. Did he say his name is a reference to his supposed ethnic background? Where is this even coming from? I thought his name was a reference to some Igbo deity (that was my guess, I never asked him directly) called Edo (there is such a deity - the name is written the same; don't know if the pronunciation is the same).

I really have no certain idea what his username is supposed to mean, but I imagine that if he really wanted people to interpret his username as indicating his ethnicity, then he wouldn't put "Ola" in username (I don't know what "Ola" is supposed to mean there, but it can be interpreted as being a Yoruba name, the same way you interpreted the other word in his name as referring to the Edo ethnicity).

This is the other meaning of "Ola Edo" (it is an Igbo phrase that seems to refer to gold or jewelry) that I came across after a quick online search: https://www.nairaland.com/226540/igbos-descendent-sudanese-igala-mixed/1#4721907

I came across some other Igbo uses of the phrase Ola Edo in other search results, but that one above captures the basic idea.

Anyway, Ola Edo is Chyz. Chyz was something of a pro-Igbo/anti-Yoruba ethnic warrior even under his previous username and that's something that people who were posting here a little longer than you were already know. I have no more reason to start attacking him out of nowhere than I have to start randomly attacking any of the numerous anti-Yoruba, anti-Igbo, anti-Fulani, anti-anything posters on this forum. It would be like me waking up one day and then suddenly attacking ommonokada (or whatever his name is) or Desola because of their anti-Igbo posts.

I thought everybody already knew he (Ola Edo/Chyz) was Igbo, but maybe you're the only one who thought anybody thought he was actually Edo.

3. I don't have time to go after to every poster on this forum who doesn't like Yorubas (or Igbos, or Hausas, or Ijaws or Edos). That's a huge waste of time. Anyway, there's a whole unofficial NL crew (led by dayokanu) dedicated to combating those people that spend their time insulting Yorubas, so my comments wouldn't make much difference. And for the last time, I just don't see anymore evidence that Papabrowne is undoubtedly Igbo than I do of Edogirl being Yoruba.

Let me see if I can make this much simpler for you:

If Papabrowne is actually Igbo pretending to be Edo, and I haven't called him out for making negative comments about Yorubas while claiming to be Edo,

and

Edo.girl is actually Yoruba pretending to be Edo, and I haven't called her out for making negative comments about Igbos (she has made such comments before - and I don't just mean the thread she made about Igbo men being rubbish in bed that resulted in some posters insulting the Bini in return, she has made other negative comments besides those) while claiming to be Edo,

How does that make me biased when I've refused to call out BOTH of them? If I don't call out someone who is supposedly Igbo (Papabrowne) who has made negative comments against Yorubas, but also don't call out someone who is supposedly Yoruba (Edo.girl) who has made negative comments against Igbos, how is that bias? Wouldn't it actually be biased if I called out one and not the other?

Sheeple:

Apologise for you exposing your bias? You're definitely high off some cheap supply.

The question you swore at with all kinds of curses used to post regularly on this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/99 It seems he's a military guy but I can't find his handle on there anymore. He probably deleted it.

Next time I see Ola-edo and Papabrowne on a thread hiding under "Edo" to throw shades at Yoruba. And you're nowhere to be found with your nl alert tone - you would be called out again - simples. Stop posting epistles to me - I don't read Eurocentric junk and Benin history isn't part of my scholarship.

The poster I remember cursing out (and even then I was wrong to do so) on a discussion involving the Edo was jaygetta, and I don't know if he ever stated what his background was. The other guy I insulted (amosy007) was some guy who kept making occasional offensive statements about the Bini while at the same time pretending to be/insisting he was Bini, although the majority of his ethnic-centered comments were Igbo bashing or Igbo criticizing comments. He spent the entire time continuing the pretense that he was actually Edo and I don't remember him ever stopping. So I don't think that's the guy you're talking about.

In any case, I don't recall ever interacting with a poster who pretended to be Edo and then later stated that "his original hometown" was "a Yoruba town ruled over by Benin Kingdom in the past." I would really like to know who this guy was you're referring to that said he was Edo but then later stated that his hometown was a Yoruba town ruled over by Benin in the past. What was the discussion about? What was the thread titled?

You do need to apologize for suggesting that if I was certain that an Igbo poster was pretending to be Edo that I wouldn't expose them. That is absolutely incorrect (factually) and it's the kind of claim only a fool holding a grudge against me for no reason would make. I've pretty much lost all respect that I had for you for not even bothering to ask or check whether I ever went after an Igbo poster for pretending to be Edo before accusing me of bias and insulting me for no reason.

And yeah, there was a point when I was insulting people for deliberately casting themselves as Bini while they insulted another ethnic group that they have grudges against, because the cowardice involved pissed me off and the results of their pretense annoyed me. What would happen is that people that responded to their repeated insults against their ethnic groups would end up insulting the Bini/Edo when the person making the initial insults wasn't even Edo! I don't regret insulting any of those people at all, but I do regret the vulgarity with which I did it. Make no mistake though, I would definitely still have attacked their posts. I was probably even too kind to those people.

I already explained about Ola Edo and Papabrowne, and bringing them up again is just silly. If you don't understand my explanation, it's just a waste of time to even bother re-explaining it.

Sheeple:
I know how you were swearing and cursing out a certain poster for claiming to be Edo despite his original hometown being a Yoruba town ruled over by Benin Kingdom in the past. However, that's the same petty excuse you're making for both Papbrowne and Ola-edo. Just accept that you're bias and you have no say in the discourse - end of.

Who was this poster, and could you post a link to that thread?

I don't know how you're not getting that I have in fact, exposed an Igbo poster pretending to be Edo (Bini) in the past - this is simply a fact. So your initial accusation, apart from being irrelevant to the thread, was just sheer nonsense. You should apologize for accusing me wrongly (and vulgarly) if you're man enough.

valboy20: action packed suspense filled episode

thank God for that lil gal, she saved ma glenn.
who said she was stupid

finally finally the woodburian psychotic governor is back

She's not stup1d/silly, and what she did in this last episode was heroic, but I still think there's something "off" about her, or she has some weird secret.

TerraCotta:

Physics--Did you see my question about the idea that there was an earlier plot in 1964/1965 that Azikiwe rejected? Odia Ofeimun, who Max Siollun cites as one source for the idea that the coup's goal was to install Awolowo, wrote that some people claimed Ojukwu approached Azikiwe about mounting a coup after the 1964 political crisis, well in advance of the Nzeogwu group's move in 1966. Azikiwe is said to have turned him down. Gowon also claimed that Ojukwu approached him about mounting a coup and that he rejected the idea as well. Finally, David Ejoor claims that there had been a grand conspiracy for a military coup since Independence (a claim I find hard to believe, but I add here in order to have a full catalogue). Do you know if anyone's ever substantiated these rumours or were they just wartime propaganda?

I haven't come across anything before that substantiates these claims. Maybe there is something out there that corroborates one of these claims, but I certainly haven't come across such information.

Sheeple:

Are you stupid or something? I'm talking to you the way I would talk to you under my real handle. I don't care about your feelings. I don't need to change my opinions because I post the way I feel and the only reason why I'm using this handle is because of a ban. Just shut it!

You think I'm honestly scared of you? You must be high off some cheap supply.

Lol, did I ask if you "cared about my feelings"? I have no problem with your opinions/delusions. You're welcome to them, even though they're rooted in ignorance and stupidity. I only responded to you because you made the comment towards me and it was a dumb accusation.

I thought the username (Sheeple) was chosen instead of a variant of your usual/original username because you were trying to put on another one of your alternate identities (it's not like you haven't done that in the past), but I see that you chose it because of the mods. Fine - that was a wrong assumption on my part.

I don't care whether you are or aren't "scared of me" (how can anyone be "scared" of an anonymous internet username, anyway), and it kind of annoys me that I bothered responding/explaining anything to you, since you're starting to seem like little more than a troll.

Katsumoto:

I base my position on the fact that Ademoyega fought Ifeajuna. In my opinion, he wouldn't have resorted to fighting if he believed Ifeajuna was just incompetent. He believed and he stated as such in his book. That is enough for me.

Ademoyega would always defend the coup; he was a part of it. There is nothing strange in that. He has left clues to what his afterthoughts were in his book.

I mentioned Mbu by listing NCNC officers that could have been targeted but weren't. If innocent pregnant woman could be shot, one of them killed, why should they care about someone who was actually in government? After all, Ademulegun, Shodeinde, Maimalari, Kur, Pam were supposedly collateral damage.

Okay, thanks for explaining your view about the cause of the fight and for explaining the mention of Mbu's name.

Sheeple: ^Why do you always write epistles? You bore me to sleep most times with that bs. If you want to write a Ph.D thesis, save that for your tutors, not me. I have noticed your bias and it's better to expose you for who you're.

Okay, it's becoming very clear who this poster is now. A question for you, now. Why do you repeatedly make alternate monikers and hide behind fake identities on the internet on an anonymous forum? Isn't that kind of weird/crazy? It also seems kind of dumb and cowardly at the same time. Please do explain why you behave that way.

Sheeple:

Why can't you just shut up, observe and let them slug it out? I don't see any Edo reference on the thread since you've got a little code embedded in the nl software that alerts you every time Edo is mentioned by Yoruba posters. Papabrowne, ola_edo and other Igbo posters have been running around claiming to be edo for eons and you're yet to call them out. But if it had been a Yoruba poster, your alert tone would have summoned you to the thread.

Just shut it and let them slug it out before exposing your bias.

I'm not exactly sure what alternate handle this is, but I think I have a very good idea, judging by the writing style and the misguided grievances against me in the post. I won't name who I think it is only because I don't want this to descend into an ugly back and forth argument.

So just to clarify a few things:

1. I've intermittently (every once in a while, that is) participated in threads discussing or related to the 1966 coups on here (NL) before, from years ago to now. I think only a newer poster wouldn't know that I've discussed such issues multiple times in the past and would think for some bizarre reason that I don't discuss that era of Nigeria's history (the 1960s) and only discuss what the Edo were doing in the 1600s or some stuff like that.

2. I don't actually participate in most of these threads that involve Yoruba and Igbo posters arguing over historical interpretations of events in Nigeria's past, actually. I do almost always just observe, in those instances where I don't just ignore such topics entirely without even reading them. However, if there is a particular interpretation or an issue that I want enlightenment/edification on, I will ask for clarification/explanation, whether it's Katsumoto, Dede1, etc. or anyone else. If I disagree with an interpretation of something, shouldn't I just ask the person directly if they could give a better explanation and possibly enlighten me about why my view is wrong?

3. When Katsumoto made that joke about me having "little code embedded in the nl software that alerts me every time Edo is mentioned by other posters" he didn't suggest that it was only when those posters were Yoruba, but for some reason you are. Maybe it's because he's actually seen me conversing at length on NL with non-Yoruba posters over issues involving the Edo before, whereas you haven't? Or are you just deliberately ignoring the times that I got into discussions (sometimes heated arguments/debates) with non-Yoruba posters on issues involving the Edo before, in a weak attempt to portray me as having some particular bias against Yorubas?

4. I have no clue what Papabrowne's ethnicity is, only that I'm not sure that he's specifically Bini, based on some comments of his I've read, though he might be from an "Edoid" group. He might be from somewhere else in Edo state and genuinely hold the views/perspectives that he holds, simply because he gets along well with Igbos and agrees with the perspectives of a lot of Igbos. There can be people like that after all. Tam David-West has made statements praising Igbos before. Does that mean he's suddenly not Ijaw? Sam Loco Efe (a Bini man) had a great rapport with Igbos throughout his career/life and apparently fought on the Biafran side during the civil war. Does that suddenly mean he's not Edo? I can't be sure in Papabrowne's case, because it's simply not as obvious that he's faking anything as you would like to think it is. There's another poster on here who lives in Lagos, named Edogirl, that some people might think is Yoruba poster pretending to be Edo, but there's really nothing to suggest that she might not just be an Edo poster that gets along well with Yorubas and agrees with Yorubas about a lot of things (and her Lagos background makes that even more likely). Just as with Papabrowne, there's no "smoking gun" to really prove that that poster isn't Edo either, and a few seemingly "pro-Yoruba" or Yoruba centered posts from her aren't proof that she's actually Yoruba. Aren't there even Yoruba posters, like Jarus, whose posts sometimes come across as supporting another ethnicity or region other than their own? (I'm referring to Jarus sometimes being accused of loving northerners to the detriment of his supposedly mandatory "ethnic allegiance" to Yorubas)

I don't see why I would need to "call out" Ola Edo for "pretending to be Edo" when I haven't seen any evidence that he's pretending to be Edo. Ola Edo is Chyz (that's his old moniker from a year or two ago), and that's not exactly some sort of great secret, nor has he really denied that he is Chyz. Chyz's ethnicity is already known and he hasn't claimed to be anything other than Igbo (Ukwuani, specifically). You realize "Edo" is a word in some other Nigerian languages, right? I don't think his username is supposed to refer to my ethnic group or even the state in Nigeria. At most it might be a reference to the kingdom, since his people (the Ukwuani) had a connection to it in the past. But I haven't seen him trying to convince anyone that he's ethnically Edo.

By the way, I have made posts in the past where I argued with (and exposed) both Igbo and Yoruba posters pretending to be Edo ( they were doing so presumably to appear more "neutral" in ethnic-centered arguments), but the two cases you directed me to here are bad ones. In any case, it's not my duty to go after every single poster that is pretending to be Edo. I just sometimes expose the ones that I happen to come across.

5. You shouldn't have polluted the thread with an irrelevant personal attack. It was dumb. To the other posters in the thread, I apologize for the length of this response of mine to "Sheeple" on a thread that is about something else entirely.

ndu_chucks: I couldn't resist posting this quote by katsumoto, who finds a way to truth when he is not otherwise defending Awo's misdeeds.

I am not here to win any awards. I will only tell it like I see it. I have argued, based on the literature that I have read over the years, that there were two factions in that Jan coup. Nzeogwu and Ademoyega provided the noble 'we are going to get rid of the rot in Nigeria' end while Ifeajuna and others were on an ethnic mission. I give my reasons
1. Nzeogwu was recruited by Anuforo and Nzeogwu recruited Ademoyega. Ademoyega was the last to be recruited while Nzeogwu was the second to last. It is conceivable that Nzeogwu and Ademoyega were not privy to earlier agreements and plans
2. Nzeogwu's socialist views were well known before the coup. He had gotten into trouble with senior officers who were concerned about his very vociferous views.
3. The selective manner of carrying out the assasinations. No one has ever said that Okotie-Eboh, Akintola, Bello, Balewa, etc were saints but in the first four years of the government, there were Northern and Eastern members in the coalition. The position that there were no corrupt Igbo pliticians is laughable.
4. The constitutional crisis of January 65 which resulted in Zik being told the limit of his powers after he tried to use the military to dissolve the government.
5. Zik's disappearance from Nigeria while his cousin Ifeajuna carried out an ethnic cleansing. Zik's disappearance all the more curious considering that Nigeria was hosting its first Commonwealth PM's conference and Zik was Head of State. Also, Zik's personal physician leaving Zik in the caribbean after running out of patience with a healthy patient who refused to return home.
6. The killing of non-Igbo officers while Igbo officers (except for Unegbe) were spared.
7. After killing Balewa, Ifeajuna traveled to Enugu to see Michael Okpara (Eastern Region Premier) in the early hours of the 14th before escaping to Ghana.

I have provided evidence to support this before, if you want to see it again, I can oblige you.

Regarding #5, I think that I mentioned this a long time ago on a thread where me and Katsumoto discussed this coup, but it's already known that multiple members of the federal and regional governments were aware of an imminent coup - that Zik chose to stay away when given the opportunity might mean that he knew that his position as president made it especially unlikely that he would survive such a coup (had it been carried out successfully), but it doesn't mean that he stayed away because he had in-depth, secret knowledge of the particulars of the coup beforehand, or that he had private discussions with the coup plotters beforehand. That would just be guessing/insinuation.

There are other publications that make the same observation (about government officials being warned about an impending coup), but this one (Max Siollun's book) actually has the relevant material easily available online to preview: http://books.google.com/books?id=t5Q78sVbLakC&pg=PA39 Scroll down to the section labeled "Unheeded Warnings" and read on from there.

And of course, there is still the possibility that Zik stayed away merely because he wanted an excuse for an extended vacation (although I think this is the least likely possibility). But in any case, there's no real reason to just assume that Zik's absence is evidence of his involvement in any sort of plot.

Katsumoto:

'Sold a dummy' and conned are my expressions, not Adegboyega. Adegboyega wrote "The next most important cause of our failure was the behaviour of Ifeajuna himself. Having seen that Ironsi had got loose and was already raising troops against us, Ifeajuna took Okafor with him and both of them suddenly disappeared from our midst. This raises the serious question of whether or not there was a common collusion between the two of them, and whether Okafor's failure to arrest the GOC was not a case of deliberate or willful omission." This is what Adegboyega believed and the reason why he fought Ifeajuna. It matters not that Mbanugo helped to settle their differences. They were in prison and had little choice.

Ifeajuna was not incompetent when he killed Maimalari, Balewa, and Largema. He suddenly became incompetent in killing Ironsi, Mbadiwe, Mbu, Orizu. You may buy that BS but I won't. Ifeajuna ignored Ironsi and chose to go and murder Largema, who was sleeping in a hotel in Ikoyi and several miles away from his troops in Ibadan. Before Maimalari and other officers were killed, Ironsi as GOC should have been first. That was not incompetence; that was Zik/Ifeajuna's backup plan.

I guess I don't really see any evidence that he stated that the cause of the fight was because he "realized he'd been conned." Of course that quote you posted does suggest that he later wondered in his book if Ifeajuna and Okafor had some sort of secret plan that caused them to act as they did, but that's not really the same thing. I was only curious because I don't see how/why you think Ademoyega could have ever believed that the Jan. 1966 coup was an ethnic coup meant to be masked as a non-ethnic/nationalistic coup, when he wrote an entire book defending and attempting to justify the coup later on. If "realizing he'd been conned" was the great realization that made him fight Ifeajuna in that prison, I don't see why he would later write an entire book as if he had had no such "realization".

This is unrelated, but I see that you mentioned Mbu's name. Why do you think they would have targeted him anyway? Was he perceived as especially corrupt or something?

This is an interesting thread, but it would be better if you formatted the posts so that they were more readable. I see that you did that with 2 or 3 of them, but most aren't like that, unfortunately.

@ Katsumoto

It's true that Ademoyega and Ifeajuna fought, but could you provide a source (from Ademoyega's book or any interviews) where he suggests that the reason they fought is because he thought he "was sold a dummy" or "conned"?

I ask, because Ademoyega mentions that they became friends again later (after the fight). It seems more likely that they were blaming each other after the failed coup and the fight might have had something to with what was perceived as Ifeajuna's incompetence in carrying out their part (Ifeajuna's and Ademoyega's part) of the coup.

I've probably already said this, but this is a pretty great thread. One of the best picture threads in any section.

Episode 5 was good. If they can just keep up this intensity/pace in the rest of the season, the show will finally go back to being as good as it used to be.

Shingeki No Kyojin (Attack on Titan) was quite good, but not as incredible or amazing as some people were hyping it up to be. I came across a lot of comparisons of Attack on Titan to Claymore online - probably because of some of the similarities between the two - but I have to say that Claymore is definitely the better of the two series. Both series were pretty violent of course, and the combat/action scenes were very well done in both.

Wow. Rest in peace.