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richP: r
chk out the lyrics and dump this your ideology of 'older is better'

I didn't just say "older is necessarily better." I don't believe that. I just disagree with the idea that "the incisive lyricism, delivery & the technique displayed throughout hasn't been seen yet in the entire hip-hop industry" in his opening post. I don't think it's true and if he's actually listened to enough rap (like some of his posts suggest), I don't think he really even believes it either.

coogar: when he dropped this single "Rap God" off his new album(MMLP-2) some few weeks ago, he finally confirmed his status as the modern shakespeare of hip-hop. the incisive lyricism, delivery & the technique displayed throughout hasn't been seen yet in the entire hip-hop industry. is he really the rap god?

Coogar, are you trolling, or this a serious question?

How much rap from the (so-called) "golden era" of rap (1987-1999) have you actually listened to? Pun? Rakim? Kool G. Rap? Nas? Black Thought? Pharoahe Monch?

And I'm not a Canibus fan, but he has more than a few tracks that are more impressive lyrically than "Rap God." Then there are other less mainstream rappers like Chino XL, Crooked I, etc. who also have lyrically complex songs.

And what's so impressive about the song (Rap God) anyway? Is it the part where he pays homage to J.J. Fad's "Supersonic"?

Mynd_44: Good morning. They are off topic so they were hidden to discourage the continuation of that conversation.

Sorry but it had to be done

Oh, ok. Thanks for explaining.

https://www.nairaland.com/1504167/drop-10-best-rap-albums#19950677

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Why were those three posts in this topic above hidden? Is it because they were off topic, or was there some other reason?

[s]What's with the hidden posts?

Ishilove posted something, then I posted something. Both of our comments were hidden. Someone posted a third post that was also hidden for some reason. What was that about?[/s]

Edited: Never mind, a mod explained it to me. The posts were off-topic.

Ishilove: Kai. Guy you old o

Nah, I'm 22 actually. Did you think I heard all those albums when they first came out?

I only own physical copies of a few of those albums. The rest: torrents/sharebeast/zippyshare/etc.

1. Illmatic
2. Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
3. Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
4. The Chronic
5. Ready to Die
6. Capital Punishment
7. Follow the Leader
8. Reasonable Doubt
9. All Eyez on Me
10. Black on Both Sides

Honorable mention:

Paid In Full
Long Live the Kane
Liquid Swords
ATLiens
4,5,6
D0ggystyle
No One Can Do It Better
The Score
Ironman
Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Black Star
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick
It's a Big Daddy Thing
The Low End Theory
Supreme Clientele
The Predator
Enta da Stage
The Infamous
Moment of Truth
Once Upon a Time in America
Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde
Grip It! On That Other Level
Hard to Earn
Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik
Mecca And The Soul Brother
2001
Labcabincalifornia

Unfortunately, it seems the spam bot is hiding some more of his posts and banning him again.

A mod should un-hide that last post of his and any previous ones, and also keep up with this thread to keep the spam bot in check. It seems like it's banning lots of posts in this thread for no reason.

It's good that he realized the error of his words and apologized, but I hope the 2 million was from his own personal finances, since it was his personal mistake. I don't think any government money should be spent by any Nigerian politician merely to maintain their popularity after a misstep or to protect their image.

montelik: Amazing how little kids can nail headshots so easily.

Yeah, that part wasn't believable, but it was probably only for dramatic effect on the director's part, and possibly to also reinforce the idea that they were trained by Carol (who would have trained them to always aim for their targets' (walkers) heads).

montelik: Abeg, the same Guv that was still dragging with janjala Michonne is now some champion fighter. There is no escaping it, the writer have wussified Rick.

Michonne's character comes across as tougher than anyone in that group except for maybe Darryl. That the Governor couldn't defeat her when they squared off made sense to me.

The Governor being physically stronger than Rick is entirely believable. Don't see how missing an eye is such a big factor. If somebody's stronger, more aggressive, more enraged/crazed, and just an all around more vicious fighter, that can easily make up for lacking an eye. Then again, they could have been equally strong, but the Governor's murderous rage could have just given him the edge in that particular fight. Either way, there's nothing about the Governor winning that fight that's so unbelievable.

ogugua88: I'm surprised Rick didn't give the governor a verbal one blow. "He killed his own people. The survivors came here and we've been looking after them since". The only reason the guv had a following was because they had no idea who he was.

That would have been risky. The governor might have lost his cool if Rick tried to expose him and he might have killed the hostages just to spite Rick for trying to turn his own group against him instead of submitting to his demands.

I'd like to think that if a new guy comes, two leaders are dead, and he gets an ex-army dude under his wing, I'd know that he's up to no good.

It wouldn't really be that obvious that it was the new guy that killed them though. Since walkers kill so frequently, most people in that situation would probably just believe any story involving walkers.

What I didn't like in an earlier episode was how they made one of those two killed leaders the brother of the tank guy. It was completely unnecessary to do that and it kind of strained the believability of the whole situation. I don't see what sense it made for the tank guy to have agreed to serve the governor out of fear for his own life and survival after his brother was killed. After the governor came to intimidate him, it would have made much more sense and been more believable for him to just pack up his stuff, steal as much as he can from the camp, take a vehicle, and escape in the night. But then again, maybe he was desperate not to abandon the tank and that factor overcame his fear of the governor's craziness.

VillageBoi: All I wanna know from you is, if na she, whaddahell does that small pikin eat for breakfast to have the strength to drag those two adult bodies outside? Because if me sef chop that thing I go start never-lose boxing career straight up

That's a good point, but she could have convinced another kid to help her move the bodies.

Seems that India actually won the men's weightlifting part, while Nigeria won the women's part. Or is there something I'm missing?

Great episode in pretty much every way. They ended the mid-season very well. Looking forward to the return of the show in February.

Some thoughts:

- If Rick had agreed to evacuate the prison by sundown, the Governor might have double crossed them and attacked the buses and cars as they were leaving. I don't think it would be in keeping with his character to leave a possible threat to him and his new family's safety free to return someday to attack the prison and take it back. The writers would probably make the Governor the one lying about what would be done if they could reach an agreement, not Rick.

- Rick probably fought with the governor hand-to-hand only because he was already out of ammo, while the Governor probably kept punching (and then strangling) Rick after already winning the hand-to-hand fight instead of just shooting Rick only because he was completely crazed at that point and wanted to finish him with his own hands.

- The sister of the (now deceased) Governor's new girlfriend (the one that got really scared during the fight and said "he chopped that guy's head off with a SWORD!" might be the one who took the baby (Judith) as she was escaping from the carnage and fleeing for her life. But since the baby carriage was bloody, it might have been someone else who actually had bloody hands from real fighting. And of course, there is the possibility that the other kids, for some reason, abandoned the baby and left it to die, but I don't think that makes much sense. I think the baby is either on the bus or with someone else who's in the forests on foot.

- The person who killed those two sick people (Karen and that other guy) earlier in the season might have been that little girl who said "Carol said we need to be strong" and convinced the other kids to get guns and join the fight (and eventually save Tyrese's life). That's the same girl that also saved Glenn's life in a previous episode. What Tyrese said about the person feeding the walkers rats and mutilating that animal in the prison being the same as the person that killed Karen is completely plausible and I suspect that that weird little girl did all of these things. Also, she has smaller hands just like Carol, so the smaller sized bloody hand prints that Rick saw on the walls near where those two were killed and dragged out and burnt could have been that little girl's instead. I think Carol was just covering for her because she (Carol) probably blames herself for messing up the little girl's mind by teaching the kids all those survival strategies and killing techniques before they were mature enough to exercise sound judgement about how to use them.

- The only flaw in the episode (although it's not anything major), and the part I found not well thought out is how they had that little girl playing and digging so far away from her mother (the governor's girlfriend) before she got bit. I don't know why the director thought it was believable to anybody that a mother would let her child play that far away when there are walkers around them in every direction.

- I don't think there's going to be another "wise old man" character in the series from here on out. They already eliminated Dale in a previous season, and with Herschel now gone, if they brought in another character like that (who would probably die as well), it would just seem repetitive and stale.

Now that I think about it, "One Mic" kind of reminds me of 2pac's "Starin' Through My Rear View" (although that song was released later).

Some other sad 2pac songs I forgot to mention above: Only God Can Judge Me, Better Dayz, Cradle to the Grave, I Ain't Mad at Cha

RSAMAN: Lol have we listened the same song? This has been a 100 percent sad song since day one. Go listen it again, if that ain't enough read the lyrics, if still ain't enough watch the music vid.

It strikes me as kind of motivational/uplifting and excited in some parts though, rather than sad. If you listen to the end part of the 1st verse and the end part of the 2nd verse, when his voice gets louder, those parts stand out to me as much as the more mellow, "soul searching" parts that sound kind of sad. I guess it's a mixture of both, but I never felt total sadness from it like I hear in "Purple" and "Drunk By Myself" and (to a lesser extent) "Poppa was a Playa." But I can understand how it seems like a completely sad song to your ears. I just have a different take on it.

RSAMAN: great list; you forgot one mic

Thanks, and yeah, that song is a bit sad in some parts, now that I think about it. But I never really felt like it was a sad song overall.

Here are some more great sad songs I forgot about earlier:

Saigon - Pain in My Life (this song is a classic)
Nas - The Rise and Fall (another classic song)
2pac - Baby Don't Cry (Keep Your Head Up pt. 2), How Long Will They Mourn Me, Lost Souls (one of his best songs, along with Do For Love that I mentioned earlier)
Chino XL - It's All Bad, Thousands, Kreep, Sorry, Be Here, Talk to You, Can't Change Me, Skin
Dizzy Wright - Maintain
Earl Sweatshirt - Chum
Slum Village - Tainted Love
Nappy Roots - Po' Folks
Slick Rick - Teenage Love
P. Diddy - Pain (off of the No Way Out album), I'll Be Missing You
Shyheim - Dear God, Life as a Shorty (the album that these two songs are on - The Lost Generation - is kind of an underrated classic)
Ahmad - Back in the Day
The Pharcyde - Passin Me By, She Said, Runnin', Moment in Time
Wu Tang - C.R.E.A.M.
Hieroglyphics - Make Your Move
Funkdoobiest - Dedicated (the video to this is sad as well)
Mos Def - Travellin Man, Sunshine
Black Star - Redefinition, Thieves in the Night
Logic - I Made It, Dear God
Saukrates - Hate Runs Deep, Rollin
Masta Ace - Way Of The World
Nas & Damian Marley - Africa Must Wake Up

Nas - Purple, Drunk By Myself, One Love, Project Windows, Last Words, Stay, N.Y. State of Mind Pt. 2, Life's a B1tch, Self Conscience
2pac - Do For Love, Brenda's Got a Baby, Who Do You Believe In, Smile, Pour Out A Little Liquor
Rakim - Waiting for the World to End
Jay-Z - You Must Love Me, Can I Live, This Can't Be Life, Soon You'll Understand, Meet the Parents
Onyx - Rob and Vic
Wu-Tang - Tears
Ghostface - Motherless Child, All That I Got Is You
Raekwon - Rainy Dayz, Can It All Be So Simple (Remix)
GZA - Cold World
Common - I Used to Love H.E.R.
Black Star - Respiration
Talib Kweli - For Women
Scarface - Someday, Heaven
Ras Kass - The Evil That Men Do
UGK - One Day
Hodgy Beats - Alone
The Roots - How I Got Over
G Dep - Everyday
O.C. - Born 2 Live

MacLovington: .

Iguogho it is. All elderly people there are bilingual (Bini & Ogho dialect of Owo Yoruba).

Asoro's living closest relatives are the Omorogbe & Omorodion families. etc.

I'm from the Enogie of Ogho family. Like all Bini Provincial Enigies, we're of Benin royal family origin.
Some of my other relatives are from Usen, Okeluse etc, again Edo n'Ekue areas.

I hope to be able to document more of the history before it's too late.

I see. Thanks for answering.

macof: that's one thing we have as a problem, we rely so much on wat white explores say about our own people, and disregard the story of the people being talked about.

Not really. Most of the material in historical accounts about pre-colonial Nigeria isn't really derived from foreign writers/explorers.

Extremely disappointing behavior on Oshiomhole's part. Even if she wasn't supposed to be there, that's no excuse for insulting her so harshly.

At the very least, he needs to issue an apology and do something for the woman to at least try and make up for the humiliation and insult he subjected her to.

macof: Most Traditional heads in Aniocha delta state are of bini origin.

And I'll like to address the errors of people thinking Lagos island was founded by bini, Lagos island was founded by Olofin(grandson of Oduduwa), He and his disciples left Ile-Ife during the Great expansion strategy(I like to call it dat ) as they followed a plate through rivers, the spot were the plate sank(Awori) became the name of their Nation.

There probably was some earlier settlement there founded by peoples from the hinterland and possibly from Ife specifically.

By 1603 however, there was only a Benin war camp there - a foreign visitor who went to Lagos in 1603 (a German surgeon aboard a Dutch ship) wrote about this and that written description is the earliest written mention of the inhabitants of Lagos island. Had he visited a century earlier, that foreigner probably would have written about the Olofin's settlement without any mention of Benin. There was clearly some significant change in that place at some point during the 16th century.

MacLovington: .


Lol, he was Asoro.

I was discussing him with my cousin a few years back. My cousin is the second oldest living blood relative of Asoro. There was a bit of embellishment in the shadow shooting story.

Fact is that in our village (Asoro's place) such protective okpor was nothing extra-ordinary. Of course the higher your military position the more the fortification you got. Until Christianity became more widespread in the 1970s.

Even now some of the strongest traditional medicine in Edo state still come from there. Note that "bad/destructive medicine" is strictly forbidden.

As an ancient warrior dukedom/duchy, people there fortified themselves before going to war or embarking on risky journeys.

My great uncle (grand dad's elder brother) escaped death from robbers in Ondo area around 1910 using similar Okpor.

What many people also don't know about Asoro is that he was an Edo n'Ekue/Ado-Akure as Edo-Yoruba hybrid are colloquially called.

Asoro was specifically an Owo-Bini hybrid.

Could you name that village?

I've seen different claims about where exactly Asoro was from. I'm inclined to think that people have tried to associate specific places with him, regardless of what his exact origin was. I would be interested in knowing where it is that you or your relatives hold as his place of origin. One of the places I saw him mentioned as being from is Iguogho village. Is that the same village you're referring to?

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MacLovington: @ PhysicsHD,

where are you to spice up your thread of fp

I've been pretty busy because it's near the end of this academic semester.

I have many more pictures that are relevant to this thread than what I originally posted that I could upload and post here, but don't have them with me right now and I have a lot of other things I need to attend to anyways. Since this thread was already long dead, I wasn't expecting to have a reason to post them. If I was to post anything now they would just be pics that one can find easily online through an image search.


By the way, if you don't mind my asking, where exactly are you from? I get that you're part Bini and part Yoruba, but I ask because you said earlier in the thread:

"In fact in Edo state, we can switch in an instant to Yoruba dance, song in occasions like funeral, marriage etc, to the surprise of those who don't previously know that aspect of us or take the names we bear (Adeyemi, Adewole, Adedeji, Akinbiyi, Ajibade, Adenuga) as a mere coincidence. It is a very exciting cultural mix indeed."

And that hasn't really been my experience (although maybe I haven't lived long enough to have enough of those kinds of experiences - I'm still in my early 20s; also I've spent a lot of my life outside of Nigeria), so I was curious about where exactly it's like that.

4teelaw: This is an Esan (Ishan) indigene of Edo State, not Benin

I know.

When I was posting it, I was using the word "Edo" in a more inclusive modern sense of the word - not in the sense of the original meaning of the word - and so were other posters who posted some Esan attire in the thread.

If you have more pics of Esan attire, feel free to post them. Or if you'd like to start a separate thread for that, you could do that instead.

sexkillz: [color=#000030]Threads that are currently on, or have been on the frontpage. [/color]

Thanks.

click2cbn: What is dis * that appears on some of the threads i am following?

Came to this thread to ask about the same thing. What's that about?

It was a good episode actually - not electrifying or intense, but definitely interesting and not boring. But I see from comments here and on other sites that a lot of people thought it was boring. The short preview for the next episode makes it seem like the next episode is action packed though, so I do think they're going to pick up the pace and intensity of the show again.

@ Lord Orochimaru, the other sister is a lesbian. They allude to this when she starts talking about how the countryside reminds her of "Sam" (some girl named Samantha apparently) when they're all walking on the road before they run into the crowd of walkers.

An earlier use of the word "Nigeria" in 1814 (although in this case it doesn't seem to be referring specifically to the area of what is today Nigeria):

http://books.google.com/books?id=YnEAAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA425

An earlier use of the word "Nigeria" in 1790:

http://books.google.com/books?id=JW4PAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA128

There is a use of the word "Nigerians" twice in that book by William Cole.

There is also a use of "Nigerian" in another publication that I am aware of: by Richard Burton in 1863, in his article "My Wanderings in West Africa: A Visit to the Renowned Cities of Warri and Benin," while making an observation about the variation in skin color among people in that area:

"The skin is mostly black; some, however, are fair and reddish, a thing everywhere to be observed among Nigerian tribes." - R. Burton, "My Wanderings in West Africa: A Visit to the Renowned Cities of Warri and Benin," Fraser's Magazine 67 (1863)

It's not certain that either Burton or Cole coined that word either, however. The term may already have been in use by then.