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See how they are all running to the West for refuge. This same Western nations you call HARAM...its a pity. a.llah cannot prove himself to the world right now. ppl fight for al.lah. a.llah has never fought for himself. This shows he doesnt exist.

tartar9:
it is the hand that is cut off after numerous considerations

Like this blood will flow and the god will drink it. allah throat no dey ever dry oo...

NOT SURPRISED AT THIS...THEY ARE SO CAPABLE OF DOING WORSE.

I can only pity your miserable soul for peddling such falsehood against the pope


When your problem starts, I hope you'll remember this post
...Walks out of thread...

How about when the pope was interviewed last year on the tv when Amadi Colibali and his two terrorist friends attacked France last year because mohammed was caricatured. What was the response of the Pope when he was ask if someone insults Christ what will be his reaction. He replied. You dont have to provoke anyone to anger. That if anyone should even insult his mother to his face he will give him a big blow in the face..it was a shock to everyone when he said that. But it is normal for him. He is only human. Not perfect. Stop thinking this popes are perfect just because they wear white garment u worship them.

Tagaste:
The Catholic Church is the One True Church that Jesus instituted. Where was your church 50yrs ago, maybe 100 yrs ago. It mushroomed with no authority to do what its doing, let alone pastors.

The church is not the building ooo my dear. And by the way, the fact that man does not authorise a church doesn't mean God is not with them. Jesus told his disciples that. Where two or three are gathered in his name he will be there. Its Gods authority that counts not man's!

I heard on a French radio called France intel two days ago that, pope is considering to welcom and forgive abortion sin. If u commit it after 10 yrs u will be forgiven completely. I dont know how true is that. It sounds bizzard.

2006: More than 360 pilgrims are killed in a stampede at the desert plain of Mina, near Mecca, where pilgrims carry out a symbolic stoning of the devil by throwing pebbles against three stone walls.

The day before the hajj began, an eight-story building being used as a hostel near the Grand Mosque in Mecca collapsed, killing at least 73 people.
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2004: A crush of pilgrims at Mina kills 244 pilgrims and injures hundreds on the final day of the hajj ceremonies.
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2001: A stampede at Mina during the final day of the pilgrimage ceremonies kills 35 hajj pilgrims.
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1998: About 180 pilgrims are trampled to death in panic after several of them fell off an overpass during the final stoning ritual at Mina.
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1997: At least 340 pilgrims are killed in a fire at the tent city of Mina as the blaze was aided by high winds. More than 1,500 were injured.
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1994: A stampede during the stoning ritual at Mina resulted in 270 deaths.
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1990: The worst hajj-related tragedy claims the lives of 1,426 pilgrims in a stampede in an overcrowded pedestrian tunnel leading to holy sites in Mecca.

YerYer:
Strange it happened on 9/11... Hmm

Very strange, I saw that this is not the first time this so called holy site has taken lives. As usual, Allah keeps socking blood in différent ways. Bombing, beheading, and even natural disaster....if allah cannot control the wind and tender that caused this collapse , then allah is powerless. And does not exist. May the souls of the departed rest in peace.

Is it human right to kill people for allah? Am not against thier fasting. But you need to respect the law of the country you reside. If you are not ok with it, because you so value your religion , then go to a place where you will have freedom to practice your religion. Where i was working before’ i have muslims colleagues, they can frustrate you with thier fasting issues. Some always complain they are tired. Wanting you to do thier work at thier place. Some times they want the meeting/programme to be scheduled at thier favour. Na wetin concern me concern ur fasting. Is it even supposed to be worldly known when we are fasting? Do they have to show to the world? Human right my foot. Let the muslims first respect the human right. Only then i will give them a listening ear.

jcross19:
to show you that a true muslim must be violent. they can only deny their evil act on media and to an ignorant mind .all terrorists are the true muslims and the islam was build on terrorism .

GBAM!!!!

Goshen360:
I don catch you today.... So you don come out of hiding right?

Bien sûr, vous et la famille se portent bien dans le Seigneur

Éh oui mon frère, ça fait longtemps. La famille se porte tres bien merci, et toi? Je viens juste de t’ envoyé un message dans ta boite mail.

Salut au nom de Seigneur.

ayoku777:
God didn't kill them, Elisha did.

Don't judge the character of God by all the actions of His prophets.

1Cor 14v32 says; ...the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

Meaning God gives His prophets some autonomy in the use of His authority. Meaning it is not everything a prophet does with his God-given authority that reflects the character of God in that situation.

When God gives you power and the authority to use His name with results, what you do will have results; even so that doesn't mean that what you did reflects the character of God. No it reflects the character of the prophet.

That's why there is a difference between the gifts of the Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit. You can have the gifts without the fruit. Gifts are given, fruits are grown. Not every prophet who had the gifts of the Spirit walked in it in proportionate measure of the fruit of the Spirit.

God told Moses to speak to the rock so water will come out. Moses in anger hit the rock with his staff (the symbol of his authority) and the water still gushed out. (Numbers 20v8-11)

Meaning a prophet can use the authority God gave Him in a wrong attitude and it will still have results. Yet that doesn't reflect the character of God. God was very displeased with Moses. (Numbers 20v12)

Elijah also called down fire at will on anyone who opposed him in the name of God. Yet when the disciples of Jesus asked Him to do the same; He rebuked them sharply and in no uncertain terms. (2Kings 1v9-12; Luke 9v54-55)

Jesus Christ is the Word of God; the communication of the character of God. He is the brigthness of God's glory and the express image of His person.

If you want to really know God; look at Him through the life and character of Christ; not just through the lens of everything His prophets did in His name.

The biblical patriachs, prophets, kings and saints did their best; within the limitations of the Adamic nature and of the old covenant. But only Christ embodies the true nature and character of God in man.

Have this context in mind when you read the scriptures.

God bless.

NICE! I Thank God this piece you posted there.

Nice one OP, i will add this ...

Romans 8:9

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.



ANYONE LIVING WITHOUT THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST IN HIM IS NOT À TRUE FOLLOWER. The Holy Spirit certify you.

gruni:
sorry my fellow brother in Islam but I don't agree with you on this. The Christians blv their Holy Spirit gave birth to Jesus not through a sperm of man. The lineage of Jesus, from Adam to Joseph was compiled in order for scripture to be fulfilled. God chose Mary because of Joseph and yet it wasn't Joseph's seed that brough fouth Jesus. So your claim here is wrong brother.

You agree or not it will not change a blocked mind. Just let God not agree. The OP is achieving his aim. But he is disrespecting his Prophet.

EzioAuditore:
Like I said. Drunk on communion wine, just like your god was when he shagged 12 year old mary and blamed it on a holy ghost eh? Lol! Get a personality fagg*t!

You are not trusting ur book

Sura 19: is all about Mary.

[19:16] Mention in the scripture Mary. She isolated herself from her family, into an eastern location.

[19:17] While a barrier separated her from them, we sent to her our Spirit. He went to her in the form of a human being.

[19:18] She said, "I seek refuge in the Most Gracious, that you may be righteous."

[19:19] He said, "I am the messenger of your Lord, to grant you a pure son."

[19:20] She said, "How can I have a son, when no man has touched me; I have never been unchaste."

[19:21] He said, "Thus said your Lord, 'It is easy for Me. We will render him a sign for the people, and mercy from us. This is a predestined matter

truthislight:
John5:22
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted ALL judgment to the Son,

John5:20
For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed.

Peace.

Ma broda, longest time. Hope you are fine. It feels good to see my people again.

The scriptures you poste are so so GBAM...!

enilove:
The problem with OP is that he is trying to rewrite the Bible.
The verses the OP quoted are diff from what is written in the Bible :

Psalm 96:6, 13 KJV
Honour and majesty are before him: strength and beauty are in his sanctuary. [13] Before the Lord : for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

Isaiah 66:15 KJV
For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Psalm 50:3 KJV
Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.



Zechariah 14:13-15 KJV
And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour. [14] And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance. [15] And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.


Most Christians think and assumed that the old testaments talk only about Jehovah and never mentioned Jesus. Many believe their pastors more than the plainly written word of God.
A simple example can be seen when Jesus appeared to Abraham in :

Genesis 18:1-3, 16-17, 20-24, 26 KJV
And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; [2] And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them , he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, [3] And said, My Lord, ( NOT MY LORDS ) if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: [16] And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. [17] And the Lord said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; [20] And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; [21] I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. [22] And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the Lord . [23] And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? [24] Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? [26] And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

These verses above indicate that Abraham spoke physically with the Lord . But can any man see the Father and be alive? Definitely not . The "Lord" that Abraham spoke with was Jesus .
It also supports the fact that it is Jesus that will come and give judgements in the last day . He said "the cry which come unto me ". The angels report to Jesus .

Another fact to show that Jesus is mentioned in the old testament and to judge the world is this :

Psalm 110:1-2, 4-6 KJV
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. [2] The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. [4] The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. [5] The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath. [6] He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.

KJV differentiate BTW Jehovah and Jesus in verses above by using Capital letters to show Jehovah, "LORD" and Jesus as "Lord".

Take note of d foll .

The LORD has sworn ,and will not repent ,"Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek .

The Lord "at thy right hand shall ......

He shall judge ............

Who is a priest for ever after Melchizedek? Jesus
Who sits at the right hand of God ? Jesus
Who did psalm 110 say will judge the world ? Jesus.

It is there4 wrong and misleading to replace the word "Lord" with "Yahweh" in the Bible because it is used for Jesus Christ as well.

Correct one!

Image123:
plap plap, how far na? Hope all is well, long time no see.

Am good thanks. And you? I do come once once to spy.......have alot of project at hand.
This topic is a nice one. What do you have to say?? It good to see that Frosbel is still active here. Keep it up Man.

omoalaro:
frosbel (m)« #26 on: Yesterday at 08:34:18 PM »





Frosbel, I still insist that what happened to Jesus was an attempted murder and Jesus never wanted to die. He even tried to avert it. He actually planned a military defence to ward it off and a spiritual defence in form of prayers to God to “let this cup pass over me”.

What you believed as crucifixion was actually cruci-fiction and the greatest lie of Christianity as described by the topic poster. Let us start from this.
AROUND THE TABLE
On the eve of the Passover Feast, Jesus and his twelve disciples are seated around a huge Table with their host — the "beloved disciple", whose name also happened to be JOHN.

MARCH INTO JERUSALEM
Jesus (pbuh) made his triumphant royal entry into Jerusalem at the head of an excited and enthusiastic following, with high hopes of establishing the "Kingdom of God" any minute; riding a donkey to fulfil prophecy (Zechariah 9:9) –
Tell ye the daughter of Zion, behold, thy KING cometh. . .
sitting upon an a55. . .
And a great multitude spread their garments. . .
and branches in the way. . .
and the multitude cried, saying,
"Hosanna to the SON OF DAVID. . .
Hosanna in the highest . . ."
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 21:5-9
Let Luke the beloved physician, add his strokes to clarify the picture.
". . . because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should IMMEDIATELY appear"-
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 19:11

HEAVENLY KINGDOM
"But those mine enemies, who would not that I should REIGN over them, bring them hither, and SLAY them before me"-
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 19:27.
. . . Blessed be the KING who cometh in the name of the Lord. . .
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 19:38.

And John adds that the excited throng exclaimed —
"Hosanna!
Blessed is the KING of ISRAEL, that cometh in the name of the Lord"-
(HOLY BIBLE) John 12:13.
"The Pharisees said. . . Behold, the world is gone (mad) after him (Jesus)"-
(HOLY BIBLE) John 12:21.
"NOW is the judgement of this world; N-O-W shall the prince of this world be CAST OUT"-
(HOLY BIBLE) John 12:31.
Who would withstand such heady-wine of impending glory? Little wonder that Jesus was tempted physically to oust those that bought and sold within the temple precincts. He overthrew the money-changer's tables and drove them out with a "whip of cords"-(John 2:15).

AN ABORTED COUP
The overthrow of the Temple Authority was imminent, and a forerunner to the expulsion of the Romans, heralding the "Kingdom of God." But alas his high hopes did not materialise. The whole performance fizzled out like a damp squib, despite all the "Hosannas" and hoorays to the "Son of David" and the "King of Israel." All this ballyhoo was only forty years premature. Jesus had failed to heed the warning of the Pharisees to curb the over exuberance of his disciples (Luke 19:39). He had miscalculated. Now he must pay the price of failure. His nation was not ready for any sacrifice, in spite of all their infantile clamour.

JEWISH REASONING
The Jewish leaders reasoned that this one man had almost brought the nation to destruction. Therefore,
"It is expedient for one man to die for the nation –
(HOLY BIBLE) John 11:50.
But with all the mass hysteria surrounding him, it was also NOT expedient to apprehend Jesus in public. They waited for the opportunity of a clandestine arrest. As luck would have it they found in Judas, an elected disciple of Jesus (pbuh), a traitor who would sell his Lord and Master for thirty miserable pieces of silver.

JUDAS WAS DISGRUNTLED
In the opinion of Christian divines it was the greed of gold which enticed Judas to do his dastardly deed. But he had more money-sense then the Christians gave him credit for. As a purser for the elect group of Jesus he had endless opportunities of pinching pennies permanently. Why jeopardise that for all times for 30 paltry pieces? There is more to that than meets the eye. Judas was disgruntled, after all those mass demonstrations on Jesus' regal entry into Jerusalem — those hot out-pourings of: "The HOUR is come — and NOW is — the Prince of this World will be CAST OUT — I should REIGN over them — bring them HITHER and SLAY THEM before me." Jesus had now developed cold-feet. If only Jesus could be provoked, he might react with miracles, and bring down fire and brimstones from Heaven upon his enemies; and, of course, the legions of angels (which he boasted were at his disposal), which would enable him and his disciples to rule the world.
From close contact with the Master, he had learned that Jesus was kind, tender and loving. But, he was not a mealy-mouthed man; he was no milk-and-water Messiah. But Judas could not understand the "hot and cold" blowings of Jesus. Perhaps if Jesus was accosted, he would yet deliver the goods. To this end Judas schemed.

THE TRAITOR KNOWN
The furtive looks and the suspicious behaviour of Judas had revealed everything to Jesus (pbuh). He did not need the Holy Ghost to interpret the misgivings in Judas’s mind. At the Table in the Upper-room where Jesus and his disciples were having that "Last Supper", Jesus dismissed Judas with the words:
". . . What thou doest, do quickly."
(HOLY BIBLE) John 13:27
And Judas took off to put the seal on the deal to the stab-in-the-back.

PREPARATION FOR WAR
POLICY CHANGE
Jesus will not be a sitting-duck for a clandestine arrest by the Jews. He prepares his disciples for the impending showdown. Discreetly, so as not to frighten his disciples, he introduces the subject of defence. Gently he begins:
"When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye anything?" And they said, "Nothing" Then said he unto them, "But now, he that hath no purse, let him take it, and likewise his bag; and he that hath no SWORD, let him sell his garment and buy one!"
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 22:35-36
This is a preparation for War, a Holy War — Jews against Jews! Why! Why this somersault? Did he not advise them to "turn the other cheek"; "to forgive seventy times seven" (70 x 7 = 490)? Did he not send his chosen Twelve with the advice:
"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves; be ye, therefore, as wise as serpents, (?) and as harmless as doves."
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 10:16

TO ARMS! TO ARMS!
The situation and the circumstance have changed and as with any wise and able general, the strategy must also change. The disciples were already armed. They had some foresight. They had not left Galilee with bare knuckles. They responded:
". . . Lord, behold, here are two SWORDS." And he said unto them, "It is enough".
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 22:38
The missionary, so as to retain the impression of the "meek and gentle Jesus", "the Prince of Peace", pleads that the SWORDS were spiritual! If the swords were spiritual, then the "garments" must also be spiritual. If the disciples of Jesus were to sell their SPIRITUAL garments to buy SPIRITUAL swords, in that case they would all become SPIRITUALLY Unclad! Furthermore, one does not lop off peoples physical ears with spiritual swords —
"And, behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his SWORD, and
struck a servant of the high priests, and cut off his ear."
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 26:51
The only purpose of swords or guns is to maim and to kill. People did not carry swords to pare apples and bananas in the time of Christ.

WHY COUPLE OF SWORDS ENOUGH?
If this was a preparation for war, then why should two swords be "enough"? The reason is that Jesus was not contemplating a battle against the legions of Rome. Since his "friend" Judas was in league with the Temple authorities, he was expecting a clandestine, underhand attempt by the Jewish oligarchy to seize him. It would be a question of Jews against Jews. In such a battle against the Jewish temple servants and the riff-raff of the town, he would prevail. Of that he was sure. He had with him Peter (the Rock) and John and James (the sons of Thunder) together with the other eight, each vying with one another to go to prison for him; to die for him. 1 These were all Galilians. They had a reputation of Zealotism, terrorism and repeated insurrections against the Romans.
Armed with sticks and stones, and the swords, and fortified with the spirit of self-sacrifice which they had avowed for their Master, he was sure to knock hells into any Jewish rabble that dare confront him.
1. "Likewise also said all the disciples."- (Mathew 26:35)

A MASTER TACTICIAN
He had proved himself a skilful strategist and planner, alert and resourceful. This was not the time to sit and twiddle thumbs; to be a sitting-duck, cooped up with his disciples in the upper-room! No, not for him. He leads his platoon, in the middle of the night, to Gethsemane-Gethsemane — an olive press — a courtyard built of stone walls some 5 miles out of town.
On the way, he unburdens to them the seriousness of the situation. The implications and the explosive nature of the coup that failed. Now he must bear the wrath of the powers that be. The price of failure!
You do not have to be a military genius to appreciate that, Jesus (pbuh) deploys his forces as a master tactician, in a manner that would bring credit to any Officer out of "Sandhurst". He places eight of the eleven disciples at the entrance to the courtyard, commanding them:
", Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder."
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 26:36

The question that would bug any thinker is: "Why did they all go to Gethsemane? To pray? Could they not have prayed in the upper-room? Could they not have gone to the Temple of Solomon, a stone's throw from where they were, if prayer is all that they wanted to do? No! They went to the Garden so that they might be in a better position to defend themselves!
Observe, Jesus does not take the eight with him to pray. He positions them strategically at the entrance to the courtyard; armed to the hilt, as the circumstances would allow:
"And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee. . .
Then saith he unto them. . .
tarry ye here and watch with me."
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 26:37-38
Where is he taking Peter and John and James now? Further into the Garden! To pray? No! To make an inner line of defence — he had put eight at the Gate, and, now these zealous Zealots (the fighting Irishmen of their day), armed with SWORDS, to "wait and watch " — TO KEEP GUARD! The picture is very vivid; Jesus leaves nothing to our imagination. A-n-d HE (alone) prayed!

JESUS PRAYS FOR RESCUE
". . . and began to be sorrowful and very depressed. Then saith he unto them, ‘my soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death' . . ."
"And he went a little further, and fell on his face (Exactly as the Muslim does in Salaat), and prayed, saying, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt."
(This is the quality of a good Muslim who submits his will to the will of God).
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 26: 37-39
"And being in an agony, he prayed more earnestly;
and his sweat was, as it were, great drops of blood falling down to the ground’’
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 22:44

MESSIAH SOBS FOR HIS PEOPLE
Why all this bewailing and lamentation? Is he crying to save his skin? It would be highly cynical on his part to do that! Did he not advise others:
"And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out . . . And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee; for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."
(HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 5:29-30
We would be doing Jesus a grave injustice if we thought that he was crying like a woman to save his body from physical harm. He was crying for his people — the Jews. They held a queer logic, that if they succeeded in killing any would-be Messiah (Christ), it would be a sure proof of his imposture. For God Almighty will never allow His truly "anointed one" (Christ) to be killed — (Deuteronomy 18:20). Hence the insistence of the Jews as a people, as a whole, in rejecting Jesus, the son of Mary, as their promised Messiah — "The eternal rejection."

IMAGINATIVE VERSION
This harrowing sob-story, the blood-curdling cries and lamentations would evoke sympathy in the hardest of hearts. And the hot-gospeller and the Bible-thumper is not averse to its effective exploitation. We are told that Jesus was destined to die for the sins of mankind. That he was "being prepared for this vicarious sacrifice before the foundation of the world". That even before the material universe came into being, there was a contract between "Father and son," and that in the year 4000 A.A. (After Adam) , God himself in the form of Jesus, as the second person from the enigmatic Trinity, was to get himself hanged to redeem mankind from the Original Sin and their actual sins.

JESUS UNAWARE OF HEAVENLY CONTRACT
From the "call to arms" in the upper-room, and the masterful deployment of forces at Gethsemane, and the blood-sweating prayer to the God of Mercy for help, it appears that Jesus knew nothing about the contract for his crucifixion. It reminds one of the Biblical Abraham, leading his son to the slaughter with the bluff that the Lord will provide a 'scape-goat.'

AN UN-WILLING VICTIM
If this was God's plan for a vicarious atonement to redeem mankind, then obviously He had chosen a wrong substitute. This candidate was most reluctant to die. Arming! Wailing! Sweating! Crying! Complaining! Contrast these responses with those of Lord Nelson, a war-hero, who gave up the ghost with these undying words:
"THANK GOD, I HAVE DONE MY DUTY!". There are millions today, who would happily immolate themselves for king and country, with smiles on their faces. Jesus was an un-willing victim. If this was God's scheme of salvation, then it was a heartless plot. It was murder in the first degree, and not redeeming self-sacrifice.
Major Yeats-Brown, in his "Life of a Bengal Lancer", summarizes the Christian Doctrine of the Atonement in just a single sentence:
"NO HEATHEN TRIBE HAS CONCEIVED SO GROTESQUE AN IDEA, INVOLVING AS IT DOES THE ASSUMPTION, THAT MAN WAS BORN WITH A HEREDITARY STAIN UPON HIM: AND THAT THIS STAIN (FOR WHICH HE WAS NOT PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE) WAS TO BE ATONED FOR: AND THAT THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS HAD TO SACRIFICE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO NEUTRALIZE THIS MYSTERIOUS CURSE."
Strange as it may sound, after every outpouring of prayer, Jesus Christ found his disciples lulled to sleep at their post. Again and again he bewailed:
"What could ye not watch with me for one hour?" — (HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 26:40.
"And again he (Jesus) went away, and prayed, and spoke the same words. And when he returned, he found them sleep again …" — (HOLY BIBLE) Mark 14:39-40.
Poor St. Mark bemoans that the disciples could give no excuse for their lassitude, their somnambulism. He records:
"neither knew they what to answer him", — (HOLY BIBLE) Mark 14:40
However, the most lucid, the most coherent and systematic of all Gospel writers, St. Luke, hazards a guess for this anomaly. He says:
"And when he (Jesus) rose from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for SORROW."
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 22:45

UNUSUAL REASONING
St. Luke, though he was never one of the elected Twelve disciples of Christ, holds numerous distinctions according to Christians. Among them, the "most historical", the beloved "physician", etc. As a Physician, his theory of men "SLEEPING FOR SORROW" is unique. Cries and wailings, sobs and sorrows were in abundance from Jerusalem to Gethsemane on the lips of Jesus (pbuh) which would shock and alert to wakefulness any un-ebriated person. Why were the "lullabies" of woe, lulling the disciples to slumber? Was their psychological make-up any different from that of twentieth century man? Professors of physiology opine that under shock, stress and fear the adrenal gland secretes a hormone into the bloodstream — nature's own injection — which chases away all sleep. Is it not possible that the disciples of Jesus had eaten too much and drunk too much: remembering that food and drink was all "on the house,” i.e. FREE!

So this is what Mohamed told you? Yet you still say PBUH. Do you Muslims know the true meaning of PEACE at all?

Nice topic! Good work from CANTICLES and others. More replies are welcome please..

What about the Muslims that killed 17 people in revenge of Muhammad? Is this in the teaching of Islam? where does this madness came from?

If you follow world news you know am talking about the 7-10th of January cold blooded terror that took place in France. They killed people bacause Muhammad was caricatured. And killed 4 Jews and Police. Is this a teaching from the Koran? If no where comes this teaching? They were so proud to die for this. I read a Muslim here posted an article validating this action. WhaWhere comes this madness? I need an answer please.

SMH....pope infallible

I have not finished it. But started studying it. It's very inspiring. I advise myself to take it slowly in order to feel the word. It's a thing every christian should do. A daily food.

Ubenedictus:
so u have gone back to ur 24th date even though wiki was very clear that is only reach 24th during the latter republic?

Beside the encyclopedia isn't a historic source. You need to provide a historic source that say mithra celebrated on the 25th, that mean d quote should come from a work dated around the 2nd, 3rd and 4th cent, the time of mithra.

You are still deceiving people with this your Oyibo festival that has no trace/root in the book of God. You cannot back your festival with scripture. Scripture never in any potion of the bible tagged Christ with a birthday. Not any of the prophets in the bible. You people will please God when you will only put in practice what He instructed you. Instead of Man traditions.

truthislight: Ma sis plapbaby, long long time no see, how are you and every every every ?

Its good to hear from you.

Hello Mon frère/brother, Every at my end fine welwell. We thank Papa God for his blessings. Yes I ve not been punctual because I was expecting a great gift from God. Thank God, the gift arrived successfully. I hope you are fine too? Thanks for checking on....God bless.

macof: Jesus was never the reason for Christmas.

Our Lord the Sun God was/is/will always be.

OLAADEGBU: You believe that the Sun God is your Lord?

The bold is the Bitter truth. I have business with the sun god. I don't celebrate Chrismas.

highyo: If there is nothing bad in celebrating christmas festival for christains, then there is noting bad if chistains celebrate, masqurade festival, yam festival, osun osogbo festival, amadioha festival, sango festival, Hindu festival, Yoga festival, Diana festival, queen of heaven festival, ogun festival, yemoja festival, islamic festival, and other demonic festival around the world, so that we can provoke God the more. ÜAfterall he is a merciful God

are you all blind? Cant you see all what these festival entails?

1: glorifying satan.

2: all sinners also participate in celebration of all above mention festival

3: all this festival involve shedding of blood, of human and animals

4: the kingdom of darkness also celebrate it, and during that period, they ensure continuity in flowing of blood to their blood bank trough various accident

5: people charge high prices for things ( A course in the bible to charge high price for a grain)

6: sins also increases

7: High cost of transport ( curse ) most especially when travelling to east

8: Robbery increases

9: people sells their belongings all just to celebrate this pagan festival

10: people collect credit to celebrate this day

11: Many men will try to go to any length just to put a smile on their families face

na wa for this day

so christian in the house that celebrate this day, you still have some other festival to participate in, and also remember to tear away that part in the bible that said, WHAT RELATIONSHIP DOES A LIGHT HAS WITH DARKNESS

Also be ready to figure out in the bible where the saint ever celebrate birthday

Also remember to figure out where jesus instruct us to celebrate the day

you all need to beg God for forgiveness

WORDS!!!

macof: Jesus was never the reason for Christmas.

Our Lord the Sun God was/is/will always be.

This is the BITTER truth !!!!

OLAADEGBU: You should cease this opportunity to tell folks that Christ is the reason for the season and put Christ back into Christmas.

Put Him back? Was Christ the original figure/reason of christmas?

You cannot change the truth behind this festival by quoting scriptures.